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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Mention of me putting up anything was almost an afterthought.

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LOL...almost an afterthought?...it was the very next sentence.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

THE UNKEWL CHALLENGE

If this liar can produce evidence that he received a settlement from his made up backrooming incident on the date he claims I will match the amount he received in the ACH. The question just is, what is he willing to put up if he cannot produce the proof he claims exists.

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I know if I had someone offering to give me 6 figures I'd definitely match an amount in escrow or whatever to get it done. But we know there was no settlement.

Druff could easily be the judge while a legal escrow held the money for disbursement after clearly defined guidelines were met. This is easy just like any challenge to meet.

Congrats FraudJ you have replaced Rob in forum land. You also have more lies than any forum poster in history.

Kew is only proving what a totally inexperienced, complete idiot he is with his incessant whining.

It's pretty simple: NO ONE WHO IS 100% CERTAIN THEY WILL RECEIVE A WINDFALL--OR IN THE CASE OF WELCHING, COMPLETE EXONERATION AT THE VERY LEAST--JUST FOR PROVIDING PROOF OF RECEIVING SETTLEMENT FUNDS, WOULD EVER CREATE SPECIAL PROVISIONS THAT WOULD CAUSE THE BOAT TO ROCK EVEN SLIGHTLY.

Only a total fraud would waste so much time diverting and deflecting.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

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Originally Posted by MisterV

But thanks

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You didn't like the tip comment.

LOL...The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

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I almost quoted this line but I wanted to reiterate the fact that there are others who pointed out Mr V's excited protesting and they are neither Seedvalue or Mdawg. It was my choice to share the observation because .. shits and giggles and it might very well be true. Anyway. I hope this doesn't become another meme of sorts on this forum.

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I'm not trying to say Todd is like the greatest person but it is absurd to think he is going to collude with Mdawg given everything.

I suppose you have a fair position Kewl in some ways.

The thing is the first part of the message implies a total free-roll but then he throws in the "put up" part making it ambiguous .

So here is the thing.

You would ONLY put up if you can win the bet so that aspect is kinda meaningless. You have a solid position but even you would not be so irrational to accept the bet without being able to win. However you can't trust Mdawg to pay up so you have a fair stance. Mdawg however has little reason to think that after he puts up the 500k that you're going to do diddly-squat.

So the best thing is to negotiate past these issues. You go get 2k in bitcoin, send it to druff. Then Mdawg knows you have committed an amount as earnest money.

You lose if Todd gives up his multi-decade public reputation over his half of the 2k.

If Mdawg transfers the money you win the big bucks.

If Mdawg doesn't transfer the money you get the 2k back.

Mdawg backs out of it then you'll forever have that to wave in his face.

If he doesn't agree to a similar proposal then you can still wave it in his face.

If you can't budge on this it is just further proof you are complete fraud of a person. :(

What's amazing is that UnKewlJ actually does not realize that his preposterous counter-proposal of "You put up $500,000. I'll put up nothing and if I lose I'll give up nothing" makes him look like even more of a liar than ever. All of us see through that he's simply proposing something absurd in the hopes that it will go nowhere.

But, what do you expect from someone who thinks 1/3 of $500K is $97K?

And then we have V, who is either pretending that UNKewlJ's idea is not ridiculous just to stir shit, or providing the scientific proof that marijuana does in fact burn holes in the brain.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

What's amazing is that UnKewlJ actually does not realize that his preposterous counter-proposal of "You put up $500,000. I'll put up nothing and if I lose I'll give up nothing" makes him look like even more of a liar than ever. All of us see through that he's simply proposing something absurd in the hopes that it will go nowhere.

But, what do you expect from someone who thinks 1/3 of $500K is $97K?

And then we have V, who is either pretending that UNKewlJ's idea is not ridiculous just to stir shit, or providing the scientific proof that marijuana does in fact burn holes in the brain.

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I used to think only Redietz did this.

And by the way, I offered him a chance to earn $1000. in BTC, unilaterally, and he didn't go for that either.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

Jerk off, no one is going to do a wager where you put up zero and even propose to change the terms to give yourself no penalty. All that would happen is that I waste time putting up money and then you decide you don't want to do it (because you can't). Just more "sure there is a lawsuit, but you can't see it" nonsense lies, where you waste everyone's time.

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Okay how about somethin' simple. Here again is the screenshot of just one of my ACHs from today. I have others I can post, no big thang.

You post the screenshot of your ACH from 6/24, easy to redact, cover up the exact amount the way I did, and I will BTC you $1000. of BTC right then and there. I'll leave this offer open for one hour. Just make it look good UNKewlJ, if it's fake photoshopped nonsense, we will know!

And what do you have to lose anyway? At worst people will laugh at you for posting a fake, at best you'll get $1000. And if I don't send you that $1000. after everyone agrees that what you post is legitimate, I'll be the goat, instead of you.

One hour. It should take you about ten minutes to screenshot it. In your case, you don't even need to redact the sender because you need to show it to prove it's legitimate and involving this fictional backrooming incident.
https://i.imgur.com/qHHtKjsl.jpg

I either have now or have had bank accounts with every major and several minor banking institution in the U.S. and overseas chances are whatever you post, I will know exactly what it should look like.

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

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Originally Posted by coach belly

You didn't like the tip comment.

LOL...The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

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I almost quoted this line but I wanted to reiterate the fact that there are others who pointed out Mr V's excited protesting and they are neither Seedvalue or Mdawg. It was my choice to share the observation because .. shits and giggles and it might very well be true. Anyway. I hope this doesn't become another meme of sorts on this forum.

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Putting 1/2 an hour into photoshopping up a meme doesn't exactly disprove that you are protesting too much.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

What's amazing is that UnKewlJ actually does not realize that his preposterous counter-proposal of "You put up $500,000. I'll put up nothing and if I lose I'll give up nothing" makes him look like even more of a liar than ever. All of us see through that he's simply proposing something absurd in the hopes that it will go nowhere.

But, what do you expect from someone who thinks 1/3 of $500K is $97K?

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The 1/3 of $500k is just more of both you and AinQ being dishonest. the 1/3 comment was made today after I lowered the amount needed in escrow to 300k. I did this trying to be fair to you. I initially came up with $500k because I wanted to try to continue to not disclose what the settlemet was, as I agreed to do as part of the settlement. But that is not your fault so you shouldn't be pentalized by me requiring more than necessary, so I tried to be fair by lowering the amount to just enought to "match my settlement".

Your initial challenge, the very first line was that you would "match my settlement" if I could prove it to a third party. It wasn't offering a wager, which I would not have accepted. It was a simple match the settlement if I could prove it. So it is you that made the ridiculous one-sided proposal. BUT if you really are as certain as you claim that there was no settlement, it shouldn't matter. That it does matter proves to everyone you are not certain, as a matter of fact, you probably know for sure there was a settlement.

But none of that matters now. I think, this statement is you saying you do not agree to my terms. And I can't say I blame you. You stood to lose almost 300k over some internet shit. Some internet hatred. I don't care if you are wealthy or not (never did) Stupid is stupid, and this challenge you proposed was stupid.

Anyway, this puts this to bed again. So stop wasting my time and now Dan Druff's time with this shit. You had the chance to put up, you chose not to.

I am done wasting my time with you and the other trolls that dominate this forum and are obsessed with trying to discredit me as if that makes anything you claim (like yesterday's 97k win, or a $100-$500 spread playing double deck blackjack) any more credible. If you haven't figured it out by now, almost no one responds to your ridiculous claims. One or two guys like SooPoo that are more or less 'playing' with you.

But you do what you need to do. I am looking forward to your claims of winning 7 figure tournaments next. Maybe even winning the whole damn casino....because THAT is how Las Vegas works.

Whatever it is you think you have won with this troll war and getting a few other haters to join in bullying, you really have won nothing. None of this changes anything about me, nor about you. Only in your fantasy.

And I should have made this move from the forums, especially THIS one about 3 years ago. So thanks to you, AinQ, Maxpen for that final push.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

What's amazing is that UnKewlJ actually does not realize that his preposterous counter-proposal of "You put up $500,000. I'll put up nothing and if I lose I'll give up nothing" makes him look like even more of a liar than ever. All of us see through that he's simply proposing something absurd in the hopes that it will go nowhere.

But, what do you expect from someone who thinks 1/3 of $500K is $97K?

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The 1/3 of $500k is just more of both you and AinQ being dishonest. the 1/3 comment was made today after I lowered the amount needed in escrow to 300k. I did this trying to be fair to you. I initially came up with $500k because I wanted to try to continue to not disclose what the settlemet was, as I agreed to do as part of the settlement. But that is not your fault so you shouldn't be pentalized by me requiring more than necessary, so I tried to be fair by lowering the amount to just enought to "match my settlement".

Your initial challenge, the very first line was that you would "match my settlement" if I could prove it to a third party. It wasn't offering a wager, which I would not have accepted. It was a simple match the settlement if I could prove it. So it is you that made the ridiculous one-sided proposal. BUT if you really are as certain as you claim that there was no settlement, it shouldn't matter. That it does matter proves to everyone you are not certain, as a matter of fact, you probably know for sure there was a settlement.

But none of that matters now. I think, this statement is you saying you do not agree to my terms. And I can't say I blame you. You stood to lose almost 300k over some internet shit. Some internet hatred. I don't care if you are wealthy or not (never did) Stupid is stupid, and this challenge you proposed was stupid.

Anyway, this puts this to bed again. So stop wasting my time and now Dan Druff's time with this shit. You had the chance to put up, you chose not to.

I am done wasting my time with you and the other trolls that dominate this forum and are obsessed with trying to discredit me as if that makes anything you claim (like yesterday's 97k win, or a $100-$500 spread playing double deck blackjack) any more credible. If you haven't figured it out by now, almost no one responds to your ridiculous claims. One or two guys like SooPoo that are more or less 'playing' with you.

But you do what you need to do. I am looking forward to your claims of winning 7 figure tournaments next. Maybe even winning the whole damn casino....because THAT is how Las Vegas works.

Whatever it is you think you have won with this troll war and getting a few other haters to join in bullying, you really have won nothing. None of this changes anything about me, nor about you. Only in your fantasy.

And I should have made this move from the forums, especially THIS one about 3 years ago. So thanks to you, AinQ, Maxpen for that final push.

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:):):) waaa....waaa....waaa....

Probably, another cognitive bias, not already on the list, is the overriding tendency to believe only what we can understand (or personally experience) as much as outright disbelieve what we can't understand (or experience). By the word, believe, I mean to let it at this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

Nobody had much of a problem with Red, or KJ, until they delved into foreign sounding explanations, and experiences. But, the idea has always been to be conclusively test whatever notion, claim, and, then, go from there. Because, as smart as people want to make themselves out to be, the preferred standard of analysis has always been to physically or otherwise test things. Accepted theories of physics can't become facts because they remain open to further testing. Always another test, down the road, that wasn't available, before.

As for the deal, well,

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Originally Posted by MDawg

THE UNKEWL CHALLENGEIf this liar can produce evidence that he received a settlement from his made up backrooming incident on the date he claims I will match the amount he received in the ACH. The question just is, what is he willing to put up if he cannot produce the proof he claims exists.

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there is no question of what KJ is to put up, given that MDawg will match the amount that he received. Further involvement by KJ would mean that MDawg would have to more than match the amount for him to truly match it as is.

I think that the "ball" has always been in MDawg's corner.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by MDawg

What's amazing is that UnKewlJ actually does not realize that his preposterous counter-proposal of "You put up $500,000. I'll put up nothing and if I lose I'll give up nothing" makes him look like even more of a liar than ever. All of us see through that he's simply proposing something absurd in the hopes that it will go nowhere.

But, what do you expect from someone who thinks 1/3 of $500K is $97K?

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The 1/3 of $500k is just more of both you and AinQ being dishonest. the 1/3 comment was made today after I lowered the amount needed in escrow to 300k. I did this trying to be fair to you. I initially came up with $500k because I wanted to try to continue to not disclose what the settlemet was, as I agreed to do as part of the settlement. But that is not your fault so you shouldn't be pentalized by me requiring more than necessary, so I tried to be fair by lowering the amount to just enought to "match my settlement".

Your initial challenge, the very first line was that you would "match my settlement" if I could prove it to a third party. It wasn't offering a wager, which I would not have accepted. It was a simple match the settlement if I could prove it. So it is you that made the ridiculous one-sided proposal. BUT if you really are as certain as you claim that there was no settlement, it shouldn't matter. That it does matter proves to everyone you are not certain, as a matter of fact, you probably know for sure there was a settlement.

But none of that matters now. I think, this statement is you saying you do not agree to my terms. And I can't say I blame you. You stood to lose almost 300k over some internet shit. Some internet hatred. I don't care if you are wealthy or not (never did) Stupid is stupid, and this challenge you proposed was stupid.

Anyway, this puts this to bed again. So stop wasting my time and now Dan Druff's time with this shit. You had the chance to put up, you chose not to.

I am done wasting my time with you and the other trolls that dominate this forum and are obsessed with trying to discredit me as if that makes anything you claim (like yesterday's 97k win, or a $100-$500 spread playing double deck blackjack) any more credible. If you haven't figured it out by now, almost no one responds to your ridiculous claims. One or two guys like SooPoo that are more or less 'playing' with you.

But you do what you need to do. I am looking forward to your claims of winning 7 figure tournaments next. Maybe even winning the whole damn casino....because THAT is how Las Vegas works.

Whatever it is you think you have won with this troll war and getting a few other haters to join in bullying, you really have won nothing. None of this changes anything about me, nor about you. Only in your fantasy.

And I should have made this move from the forums, especially THIS one about 3 years ago. So thanks to you, AinQ, Maxpen for that final push.

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lol

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

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Originally Posted by MDawg

What's amazing is that UnKewlJ actually does not realize that his preposterous counter-proposal of "You put up $500,000. I'll put up nothing and if I lose I'll give up nothing" makes him look like even more of a liar than ever. All of us see through that he's simply proposing something absurd in the hopes that it will go nowhere.

But, what do you expect from someone who thinks 1/3 of $500K is $97K?

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The 1/3 of $500k is just more of both you and AinQ being dishonest. the 1/3 comment was made today after I lowered the amount needed in escrow to 300k. I did this trying to be fair to you. I initially came up with $500k because I wanted to try to continue to not disclose what the settlemet was, as I agreed to do as part of the settlement. But that is not your fault so you shouldn't be pentalized by me requiring more than necessary, so I tried to be fair by lowering the amount to just enought to "match my settlement".

Your initial challenge, the very first line was that you would "match my settlement" if I could prove it to a third party. It wasn't offering a wager, which I would not have accepted. It was a simple match the settlement if I could prove it. So it is you that made the ridiculous one-sided proposal. BUT if you really are as certain as you claim that there was no settlement, it shouldn't matter. That it does matter proves to everyone you are not certain, as a matter of fact, you probably know for sure there was a settlement.

But none of that matters now. I think, this statement is you saying you do not agree to my terms. And I can't say I blame you. You stood to lose almost 300k over some internet shit. Some internet hatred. I don't care if you are wealthy or not (never did) Stupid is stupid, and this challenge you proposed was stupid.

Anyway, this puts this to bed again. So stop wasting my time and now Dan Druff's time with this shit. You had the chance to put up, you chose not to.

I am done wasting my time with you and the other trolls that dominate this forum and are obsessed with trying to discredit me as if that makes anything you claim (like yesterday's 97k win, or a $100-$500 spread playing double deck blackjack) any more credible. If you haven't figured it out by now, almost no one responds to your ridiculous claims. One or two guys like SooPoo that are more or less 'playing' with you.

But you do what you need to do. I am looking forward to your claims of winning 7 figure tournaments next. Maybe even winning the whole damn casino....because THAT is how Las Vegas works.

Whatever it is you think you have won with this troll war and getting a few other haters to join in bullying, you really have won nothing. None of this changes anything about me, nor about you. Only in your fantasy.

And I should have made this move from the forums, especially THIS one about 3 years ago. So thanks to you, AinQ, Maxpen for that final push.

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:):):) waaa....waaa....waaa....

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Singer not even a player.

Hows it feel that after all those years you are not even on Kewls 'most relevant trolls' list?

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The 1/3 of $500k is just more of both you and AinQ being dishonest. the 1/3 comment was made today after I lowered the amount needed in escrow to 300k. I did this trying to be fair to you. I initially came up with $500k because I wanted to try to continue to not disclose what the settlemet was, as I agreed to do as part of the settlement. But that is not your fault so you shouldn't be pentalized by me requiring more than necessary, so I tried to be fair by lowering the amount to just enought to "match my settlement".

Your initial challenge, the very first line was that you would "match my settlement" if I could prove it to a third party. It wasn't offering a wager, which I would not have accepted. It was a simple match the settlement if I could prove it. So it is you that made the ridiculous one-sided proposal. BUT if you really are as certain as you claim that there was no settlement, it shouldn't matter. That it does matter proves to everyone you are not certain, as a matter of fact, you probably know for sure there was a settlement.

But none of that matters now. I think, this statement is you saying you do not agree to my terms. And I can't say I blame you. You stood to lose almost 300k over some internet shit. Some internet hatred. I don't care if you are wealthy or not (never did) Stupid is stupid, and this challenge you proposed was stupid.

Anyway, this puts this to bed again. So stop wasting my time and now Dan Druff's time with this shit. You had the chance to put up, you chose not to.

I am done wasting my time with you and the other trolls that dominate this forum and are obsessed with trying to discredit me as if that makes anything you claim (like yesterday's 97k win, or a $100-$500 spread playing double deck blackjack) any more credible. If you haven't figured it out by now, almost no one responds to your ridiculous claims. One or two guys like SooPoo that are more or less 'playing' with you.

But you do what you need to do. I am looking forward to your claims of winning 7 figure tournaments next. Maybe even winning the whole damn casino....because THAT is how Las Vegas works.

Whatever it is you think you have won with this troll war and getting a few other haters to join in bullying, you really have won nothing. None of this changes anything about me, nor about you. Only in your fantasy.

And I should have made this move from the forums, especially THIS one about 3 years ago. So thanks to you, AinQ, Maxpen for that final push.

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:):):) waaa....waaa....waaa....

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Singer not even a player.

Hows it feel that after all those years you are not even on Kewls 'most relevant trolls' list?

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I'm quite a bit different than you. I have no feelings when I'm here.

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:):):) waaa....waaa....waaa....

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Singer not even a player.

Hows it feel that after all those years you are not even on Kewls 'most relevant trolls' list?

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I'm quite a bit different than you. I have no feelings when I'm here.

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Doubtful. Your desire to wind up Kewl gives you some sort of feelings at minimum.

Anyway, just kidding around. I mostly post to make myself laugh. I'm actually kinda sick in that way. I find myself too funny and other people not funny enough. I'm basically a pathological shit-stirrer.

But.. but ... after all these years he puts MaxPen up but no Singer ??!?

I never thought it would even be a question about this sort of thing.

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Putting 1/2 an hour into photoshopping up a meme doesn't exactly disprove that you are protesting too much.

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LOL

1/2 an hour?

To do that?

It only took about five minutes, maybe less.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

What's amazing is that UnKewlJ actually does not realize that his preposterous counter-proposal of "You put up $500,000. I'll put up nothing and if I lose I'll give up nothing" makes him look like even more of a liar than ever. All of us see through that he's simply proposing something absurd in the hopes that it will go nowhere.

But, what do you expect from someone who thinks 1/3 of $500K is $97K?

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The 1/3 of $500k is just more of both you and AinQ being dishonest. the 1/3 comment was made today after I lowered the amount needed in escrow to 300k. I did this trying to be fair to you. I initially came up with $500k because I wanted to try to continue to not disclose what the settlemet was, as I agreed to do as part of the settlement. But that is not your fault so you shouldn't be pentalized by me requiring more than necessary, so I tried to be fair by lowering the amount to just enought to "match my settlement".

Your initial challenge, the very first line was that you would "match my settlement" if I could prove it to a third party. It wasn't offering a wager, which I would not have accepted. It was a simple match the settlement if I could prove it. So it is you that made the ridiculous one-sided proposal. BUT if you really are as certain as you claim that there was no settlement, it shouldn't matter. That it does matter proves to everyone you are not certain, as a matter of fact, you probably know for sure there was a settlement.

But none of that matters now. I think, this statement is you saying you do not agree to my terms. And I can't say I blame you. You stood to lose almost 300k over some internet shit. Some internet hatred. I don't care if you are wealthy or not (never did) Stupid is stupid, and this challenge you proposed was stupid.

Anyway, this puts this to bed again. So stop wasting my time and now Dan Druff's time with this shit. You had the chance to put up, you chose not to.

I am done wasting my time with you and the other trolls that dominate this forum and are obsessed with trying to discredit me as if that makes anything you claim (like yesterday's 97k win, or a $100-$500 spread playing double deck blackjack) any more credible. If you haven't figured it out by now, almost no one responds to your ridiculous claims. One or two guys like SooPoo that are more or less 'playing' with you.

But you do what you need to do. I am looking forward to your claims of winning 7 figure tournaments next. Maybe even winning the whole damn casino....because THAT is how Las Vegas works.

Whatever it is you think you have won with this troll war and getting a few other haters to join in bullying, you really have won nothing. None of this changes anything about me, nor about you. Only in your fantasy.

And I should have made this move from the forums, especially THIS one about 3 years ago. So thanks to you, AinQ, Maxpen for that final push.

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Dude don't be ridiculous, Mdawg isn't putting up any large sums of money unless he's guaranteed 100% that he will win. Perhaps if Dan runs a credit line.

There have been at least two occasions where MDawg failed to Pony up any money, even with a no-strings-attached take-your-money back clause for any reason.

I have yet to find one instance where Mdawg has ever provided any real value, information, or otherwise to anyone other than the Wizard(actually from DarkOz).

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Just got in a message. "Mr V protested too much" Whatever buddy. I don't care either way.

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LOL

Let me guess ... the PM came from You Know Who, i.e. He Who's Wealth Is Superior To We Mere Mortals.

He's foolishly PM'ed me before...amazing the steps the self-proclaimed rich and powerful will go through in order to prop up an illusion.

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No it was not Mdawg. I wouldn't call Mdawg legitimate or illegitimate. I don't care or know enough about him.

Or are you talking about Seedvalue? No, not him either.

Here is another theory. A lot of the forum dweller's beefs with Mdawg are due to him being clearly more articulate than most on here. It is kinda funny. You can be a fool and be very articulate so I'm not saying I particularly admire him for that but he is very good writer. Kewl is outmatched in numerous ways and it would seem his staying power comes from his feeding off the attention.

Maybe I can think up some more interesting theories I've heard from behind the scenes.

.. stirs the pot..
but it aint with bullshit. These are all legitimate theories I've heard behind the scenes.

Stop trying to discount me. It is only a theory. I also was not aware that this has been previously brought up.

The mind works on levels we ourselves do not consciously understand. After all we are litlte more than advanced apes. So go smoke a joint or whatever and don't worry about it man.

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Look, this thread isn't about me. Carry on. JK

The first thing I'm going to do is disabuse any notion that this is strictly between Druff, Dawg and KewlJ---because the fact that it's being talked about publicly gives us rights.

Besides, I think both KewlJ and Dawg can agree that they wish for this to be talked about publicly. I think that's the entire point of it...for whatever purpose doing all of this publicly serves them in terms of looking good to people who barely care. I don't think any such challenge is going to happen, but I'll discuss it in the abstract. Some quotes have been removed as irrelevant to my responses.

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Mention of me putting up anything was almost an afterthought. It wasn't part of the challenge. It was a 'to be negotiated af later'. Well my terms are that I put up nothing and I have explained why. The possibility of collusion, which seems more likely to me than an honest challenge being paid.

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Collusion? First of all, the implication that Druff would even potentially collude to defraud you of money is nothing short of bizarre, to me. Not only do I consider Druff doing so borderline impossible, but he's YOUR chosen arbiter.

I would entertain coming out to Vegas to act as a witness to all of this if there were to actually be a challenge. As you guys are certainly aware, I don't care who wins or loses. Another element that would be added is, if Dan Druff and I disagree as to whether or not this has been sufficiently demonstrated (one yes, one no, either way) then any bets would be considered a push. I would say that the loser would have to cover my flight and RFB. If there is no loser, then both of you cover it equally. I'm certainly not flying out there and doing this at a monetary cost to myself. That said, I have no interest in being paid on direct, either.

Quite frankly, I have no animosity towards either yourself or MDawg and wouldn't be opposed to meeting both of you. I'm just not going to be out money to do so. You guys can come to Pittsburgh if you really want to meet me. PA has good blackjack rules, generally. Rivers also has high-limit Baccarat.

With that, I preferred this when your proposal was a binary 'yes' or 'no,' KewlJ, which required no further need for discussion. MDawg either accepts or declines. It appears he declines (by implication) the terms that you presented as, 'Non-Negotiable,' so that should be it.

That said, I don't see anything wrong with both parties escrowing an agreed upon sum to Dan Druff. Sure, Dawg said he would match the amount of the settlement, but you guys could always agree to escrow some lesser amount than that. I guess MDawg would be in your debt the balance if you did win. Alternatively, you guys could agree that you're just putting up the agreed escrow amounts.

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Next issue is the ACH mention by Mdawg. There will have to be official terms written and that ACH will be removed. I never said anything about ACH. the transfer was from one account to another in the same bank. No ACH. I will not have Mdawg try to pull out on a technicality after proof has been shown to satisfy Dan Druff.

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This is interesting because there should be a way to tell that it was from the same bank. New terms could specify that it be demonstrated it was an interbank account to account transfer. Of course, you could look and make sure that's verifiable before agreeing to that. I don't see why it wouldn't be.

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Mdawg is so hell bent on proving me wrong he offered to match my settlement amount. End of story. And that is what the escrow is about. I want an amount that will cover the settlement amount. 300K will do so. So I have come down from the original 500k, even though it sort of tells what the amount is, which I was not supposed to reveal.

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These were your original terms, which you said were a 'yes' or 'no' from MDawg. If the terms really are non-negotiable, and MDawg does not accept them, then why are we still talking about this?

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Next, I have received a private communications from 2 different attorneys, one not even on this site, both with a very similar warning. That if this were to come about, and Druff was satisfied, Mdawg would pull a Donald Trump and try to drag the whole thing into court, arguing some loophole in the escrow agreement. I am not an attorney and have no idea how such legal action would play out. I suspect it would be tossed because it would be declared some sort of monetary wager and isn't that illegal?

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I don't believe that it would be considered illegal as it would likely fall under 'Social Gambling' in that there is no vig attached to this. Neither of you are acting as the house. According to this:

https://thelawreviews.co.uk/title/th...iew/usa-nevada

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The definition of a 'gambling game' in Nevada is 'any game played with cards, dice, equipment or any mechanical or electronic device or machine for money, property, checks, credit or any representative of value'.2

The definition excludes games played with cards in private homes or residences in which no person makes money for operating the game, except as a player, or games operated by charitable or educational organisations that are approved by the Nevada Gaming Control Board (the Board).3 Under Nevada law, a 'wager' is 'a sum of money or representative of value that is risked on an occurrence for which the outcome is uncertain'.4

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In other words, it doesn't seem that such a bet would even qualify as a gambling game, per Nevada law.

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So I would pay and talk to an attorney and have the attorney draw up the terms, before we proceeded. But I am not going to waste my time or money (or Dan Druff's time) until Druff is holding 300K to cover "matching my settlement". Dan Druff can negotiate any fee that he wants for his participation. That is completely up to him and between him and Mdawg. But I would recommend you get it in writing Dan Druff.

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Well, yeah. The amount is obviously significant enough that you would want an attorney to check the language of whatever the official agreement is. You'd also want to make sure such a transaction is not illegal, though I don't see how it would be. Am I wrong to suggest that all of this was kind of a given? Of course you'd have to dot i's and cross t's, but certainly you were aware of that prior to issuing the proposal.

In my opinion, a fair compromise would be for MDawg, if he accepts, to first escrow reasonable attorney fees to draw up the contract which will be paid from Dan Druff to you if MDawg ultimately declines. He shouldn't have to escrow 300k just to understand what the terms are; that's actually kind of ridiculous. That said, you should also not end up out money if he refuses.

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[You trolls like AinQ can say whatever you want....stupid shit like a professional gambler wouldn't pass on this. This shit never comes to fruition. It is always just a huge waste of time. Especially for this kind of money. And this is well on it's way to that same kind of outcome.

You people can talk all you want. Inject yourself into something that isn't even about you, call me whatever names you want. None of that matters. If this is going to happen, Mdawg should make arrangements to escrow 300k with Todd Witteles (Dan Druff) and then we can start the legal stuff. But nothing happens except more troll talk until that first step is done. And this isn't an open ended deal on my part. I am done playing with this troll forum and you trolls that dominate it. So Shit or get off the pot, and let me go on my way. And you people can troll for years to come.

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If you don't want people discussing it, then don't fucking talk about it publicly. There's a PM feature here, you know.