The WoV Thread

Yes MC... I agree. You seen the backlash I initially got from the hot sucker thread posting up information on how to play things straight in many Casinos. They didn't like it and pmed me to stop. I told them all that I'll post whatever I want about any information that I know about. As I have said before... I joined gambling forums to talk about real world gambling and help/share information publicly. I didn't join these forums to play or cater to the inner circle or powers that be. Many times I play the exact way I listed because I come out to small winners and eat for free forever and since it's a very straight way to play I never get 86'd or no mailed for the most part.

If I'm up to no good I try to use someone else's players card. I will play on graveyard. I will play lower denominations to avoid lock ups. If I do get heat I will leave. I also try not to get too greedy or stay long hours when abusing something. I'll switch machines and cards. I'll slso rotate players cards when winning on an account. I try to show losses as much as I can on all cards. Let's say I'm way ahead on a card. I might just quit that card for a long time or start playing higher variant games with it until I get in the red. Once in the red it's good to keep that card showing a loss. Milk all the mail from that account while switching cards or if you can pull the card to show losses that's great. Since the player card concept that has been the AP way... figure out how to win but show losses on most of your players cards.

I see AxelWolf has came out to make a comment. The problem is he and others have waited far to long for me to care about what he has to say. I haven't read his post yet but I figure he is defending his honor and his pals honor in some way and is upset about how relentless I have been calling them out. The only one I can respect is Mission 146 because he came out immediately explaining his side for a long time. However it's hard to imagine him hanging with WoN and being oblivious to anything going on. It's hard to imagine him having lunch with WoN and DarkOz after DarkOz admits he wears make up after being back roomed for running 20 players cards. Also DarkOz claims to run a crew of 50 players of friends and family but WoN is the only one he dealt with online. Hard to believe since we know he also met up with Mission. Is it that hard to realize that DarkOz is just as bad as WoN? DarkOz uses his daughter to AP and gets her involved with WoN. DarkOz clearly runs many players cards and wears masks and make up in public to avoid detection. DarkOz gets back roomed. DarkOz sleeps on the street for years until he figures out AP and becomes the most successful East Coast AP. This story just gets weirder and weirder.

Oh right DarkOz outs the Plaza Tax Day Promotion and everyone on WoV hates him. The Wizard says he is allowed to post that type of information and tells everyone to stop giving him trouble. Heck many members get suspended for improper behavior and PMs. The Wizard breaks down the five dollar machines and all APs go ballistic on WoV.

Now two years later BBB says the forum is not allowed to talk about current AP plays... she gets plenty of negative backlash and has yet to comment. The inner circle is taking over WoV more and more and eventually it will just be a private club. They should just charge dues and make it a private board and not for public view or participation. How can any respect the Wizard... he doesn't even tell BBB she is wrong about her recent posts/warnings!?

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

I do know that I was contacted by someone investigating this situation. I have heard it on good authority that there is going to be some lawsuits and possible criminal action from all sides even the websites could be involved. I dont know what will happend, I dont care to take chances.

I was advised the less I say the better, not that I did anything wrong or had anything to do with anything nefarious but I dont want to get drugg into shit.

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WOW Axelwolf, you sound nervous and I’m not sure why? You’ve said time and time again how you never screwed, cheated, or conned anyone.

How did any investigator know who you were and how to contact you? Did the investigator set up an appointment for a deposition? What is it you possibly could know about WON bad deeds? If any investigation is taking place it could only be from victims of WON pressing charges against him. How and why the hell would you be tracked down?

Lawsuits and criminal actions from all sides and even the websites? Are you fucking kidding me? Based on what? All the endless bullshit going back and forth on these bullshit gambling sites? You would need more lawyers than the Muller investigation to track down what? Nothing but bullshit?

Someone would have to file a charge against someone else with real names and real people that could prove he was screwed to even begin anything. If it involved casinos getting cheated than the NGC would have to get involved also.

Your taking this bullshit hustling AP shit to serious. You heard from good authority action is going to be taken. Really? My guess would be WON told you someone was suing him. Maybe the guy screwed out of that car or whatever. If stealing cash is involved you need banking transactions from A to B or a video of the actual cash exchange.

I know you like to backdoor brag about your gifted AP talents and after 14,000 posts at WOV where you slyly indicated through-out how you should be considered the King of forum AP.

Apparently, your AP status is important enough to be contacted and advised in advance about issues not even taken place yet. Inside information?

Axelwolf, you’re too full of yourself. Your comments above are nothing more than an attempt to try and silent people who might leak out some more hustling AP moves you need to keep quiet so you could keep feeding yourself.

With all the deceiving and cheating bullshit slowly being exposed about hustling AP’s, you’ll never pull off being an AP Altar Boy.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

I outed a lot of my own plays there. No one complained about it. They even cheered me on. So if you can't talk about plays what the hell do you talk about? Crocheting?

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But you can't do it for Alan's show, where it would be of some real value? And then also disguise yourself, instead of freely putting your picture on line for all to see.

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Originally Posted by Bill Yung

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

I outed a lot of my own plays there. No one complained about it. They even cheered me on. So if you can't talk about plays what the hell do you talk about? Crocheting?

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But you can't do it for Alan's show, where it would be of some real value? And then also disguise yourself, instead of freely putting your picture on line for all to see.

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Come on Bill, give Mickey a break. Everyone knows there's a difference between describing your plays on a forum and actually showing them hit on a TV show.

LOL

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

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Originally Posted by Bill Yung

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

I outed a lot of my own plays there. No one complained about it. They even cheered me on. So if you can't talk about plays what the hell do you talk about? Crocheting?

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But you can't do it for Alan's show, where it would be of some real value? And then also disguise yourself, instead of freely putting your picture on line for all to see.

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Come on Bill, give Mickey a break. Everyone knows there's a difference between describing your plays on a forum and actually showing them hit on a TV show.

LOL

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So there's some shows with Argentino winning big sessions live? I did not know that. I'll have to watch them.

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

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Originally Posted by Bill Yung

But you can't do it for Alan's show, where it would be of some real value? And then also disguise yourself, instead of freely putting your picture on line for all to see.

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Come on Bill, give Mickey a break. Everyone knows there's a difference between describing your plays on a forum and actually showing them hit on a TV show.

LOL

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So there's some shows with Argentino winning big sessions live? I did not know that. I'll have to watch them.

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Not a bad idea. Now what would Rob offer to present?

Mickeycrimm said he could win $500 a day without much up front money. Rob says he can win about $1500 to $2500 per day with a bankroll of about $55,000.

Now, which scenario do you think I could sell as a TV show? Winning $2500 with a $55,000 bankroll? Not a chance.

But winning $500 a day without a big bankroll? Now that could draw an audience.

But I'll tell you what, redietz. If you'd front the production cost (it will be about $300) I'll gladly videotape one of Rob's sessions to see if he can deliver.

What do you say redietz? Only $300.

Rob wouldn't even video the supposed $5000 free play, or whatever it was, from the Palms. You've got to be kidding!!

As for what I do, I sent Alan a picture of one of them. He knows damn well we do what I say we do.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Come on Bill, give Mickey a break. Everyone knows there's a difference between describing your plays on a forum and actually showing them hit on a TV show.

LOL

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So there's some shows with Argentino winning big sessions live? I did not know that. I'll have to watch them.

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Not a bad idea. Now what would Rob offer to present?

Mickeycrimm said he could win $500 a day without much up front money. Rob says he can win about $1500 to $2500 per day with a bankroll of about $55,000.

Now, which scenario do you think I could sell as a TV show? Winning $2500 with a $55,000 bankroll? Not a chance.

But winning $500 a day without a big bankroll? Now that could draw an audience.

But I'll tell you what, redietz. If you'd front the production cost (it will be about $300) I'll gladly videotape one of Rob's sessions to see if he can deliver.

What do you say redietz? Only $300.

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So you're saying you have no live tapings of Argentino winning big jackpots? Yet you tell mickey it's very different to do it in front of a TV camera than on a forum?

That's hypocritical, wouldn't you say?

Jbjb you're not the issue here.

At issue is the question can Rob Singer deliver about a 4% return on $55,000 ... and that's a yawner. But if Mickeycrimm can deliver a $500 profit playing low level slots with an "everyman's budget" then that's a great TV show.

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

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Originally Posted by redietz

So there's some shows with Argentino winning big sessions live? I did not know that. I'll have to watch them.

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Not a bad idea. Now what would Rob offer to present?

Mickeycrimm said he could win $500 a day without much up front money. Rob says he can win about $1500 to $2500 per day with a bankroll of about $55,000.

Now, which scenario do you think I could sell as a TV show? Winning $2500 with a $55,000 bankroll? Not a chance.

But winning $500 a day without a big bankroll? Now that could draw an audience.

But I'll tell you what, redietz. If you'd front the production cost (it will be about $300) I'll gladly videotape one of Rob's sessions to see if he can deliver.

What do you say redietz? Only $300.

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So you're saying you have no live tapings of Argentino winning big jackpots? Yet you tell mickey it's very different to do it in front of a TV camera than on a forum?

That's hypocritical, wouldn't you say?

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Rob doesn't need big jackpots for a 4% return on a $55,000 bankroll. That's what all of his critics are missing.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Jbjb you're not the issue here.

At issue is the question can Rob Singer deliver about a 4% return on $55,000 ... and that's a yawner. But if Mickeycrimm can deliver a $500 profit playing low level slots with an "everyman's budget" then that's a great TV show.

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Rob should do live play for his followers. That way, he can explain why he does what he does in certain situations as they happen to arise with live play.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Not a bad idea. Now what would Rob offer to present?

Mickeycrimm said he could win $500 a day without much up front money. Rob says he can win about $1500 to $2500 per day with a bankroll of about $55,000.

Now, which scenario do you think I could sell as a TV show? Winning $2500 with a $55,000 bankroll? Not a chance.

But winning $500 a day without a big bankroll? Now that could draw an audience.

But I'll tell you what, redietz. If you'd front the production cost (it will be about $300) I'll gladly videotape one of Rob's sessions to see if he can deliver.

What do you say redietz? Only $300.

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So you're saying you have no live tapings of Argentino winning big jackpots? Yet you tell mickey it's very different to do it in front of a TV camera than on a forum?

That's hypocritical, wouldn't you say?

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Rob doesn't need big jackpots for a 4% return on a $55,000 bankroll. That's what all of his critics are missing.

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He is only getting an overall negative return. He's not making money.

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Originally Posted by jbjb

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Jbjb you're not the issue here.

At issue is the question can Rob Singer deliver about a 4% return on $55,000 ... and that's a yawner. But if Mickeycrimm can deliver a $500 profit playing low level slots with an "everyman's budget" then that's a great TV show.

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Rob should do live play for his followers. That way, he can explain why he does what he does in certain situations as they happen to arise with live play.

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Yeah... except that 95%+ of the time it's going to be conventional strategy.

Do you realize that Rob winning $2500 with a $55,000 bankroll is like me winning $5 with $100???

And you guys are critical of that? LOL

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

But if Mickeycrimm can deliver a $500 profit playing low level slots with an "everyman's budget" then that's a great TV show.

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"A great TV show?"

What, do you propose to live-stream MC all day long playing one or more machines?

BORING!

Like watching paint dry, those symbols moving, stopping, moving, stopping, thousands of times ad infinitum.

Sort of like watching Warhol's 8+ hour film showing an unvarying view of the Empire State Building: "Empire."

Fortunately for the TV audience, MisterV, you are not a TV producer.

Let mickeycrimm show me how he profits $500 a day on his low level slots with his "everyman's budget" and I'll give you a half-hour TV Show that will be captivating.

(By the way, producing the captivating TV Show isn't the problem.)

MrV is "the burning man".

Damn mr net got pretty butt hurt seems like bc roger kint didn’t like enough of his posts and want to be his buddy?

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Let mickeycrimm show me how he profits $500 a day on his low level slots

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The wormm already explained that his $500 per day claim is actually a hustle...a set up.

He can't win on cue unless his accomplices set him up with multipliers.

I'm probably not supposed to be posting here, but since some of the stuff is about me Dan shouldn't mind.

First, the only interesting thing about me playing a session on camera might be the amount of cash I'd be either feeding into the machines or trading for big tickets in a HL room. And if I reached my win goal early on, it wouldn't even get to that point. Alan of course is correct in saying few people would get a charge out of someone trying to make 4%-5% of what they take into a casino--then leaving.

He's also correct that the majority of the general public would absolutely love to see someone go into a casino with a puny bankroll and regularly win $500/day. They could relate to something like that. In fact, just think about what mickey claims for a moment. Have you ever seen him say that he goes into a casino and loses? He regularly blabs about all these silly "vulturing opportunities" in obscure Indian casinos, and tells his tales of how much this or that is "worth". His rap always seems to tell everyone about how he "popped in to play what the ploppies left him", yet we are left with nothing concrete, no pictures of him and his "jackpots", while his main purpose appears to be to make readers think he's mugging every casino he walks into. Probably one of only a few super special personalities of his kind, I'd say. The "Vulture From The Secret Culture".

jbjb, get your reading glasses on and get out your math books, then go back and read what I said about the LoLN's and how it applies/doesn't apply to how my play strategy is able to consistently profit from--but not BEAT--the math of the games I play. Simply claiming +EV means you win and -EV you lose in video poker, is the position of a fool.

I wish I knew where to locate where redietz said I tried to get someone on WoV to sucker-bet me that I could win a session, because "as we all know Argentino (in redietz lingo as a way to get the anger out) can easily win one session, and nobody would be stupid enuf to take that bet". This kind of says it all. I can't imagine any of the "AP's" here would dare to claim the statistics of the game would change in any given session.