Professional Sportsbetting

I'm not even sure what kewlJ's arguments are. I've had to file as a professional gambler a few years. No big deal; gotta pay dem taxes when required. Prefer to not pay dem taxes, but you can't evade every government net.

What I'm curious about is his fixation on the Forrest Dale Lane house. If he employed some half-assed online search engine, he wasted his money. My dad's stuff occasionally has been conflated with mine. That can happen when you have identical names and one of you gets dementia and doesn't always fill out forms great. But my late father never stepped foot in Tennessee, so I'm afraid the kewlJ is dead wrong. Now kewlJ being dead wrong is nothing new. What's new is he proclaims that he's right when there's no point to doing so AND he has very little shot at being correct.

I think the idea of kewlJ as some kind of truth-telling maligned gay blackjack-playing soul can be retired. He's bullshitting about stuff, and getting things completely wrong, when there's no point in even making the case. Why he fixates and lies about weird shit is beyond my pay grade; maybe he has a few wires loose.

I have no idea what his gig is. Male prostitute? Some posters swear by this. Professional blackjack player? Maybe, but boy, times are tough in that field. Both? Yeah, I guess "playing blackjack" is as good a cover for prostitution as anything else. Money from left field accounted for and all that. But far be it for me to speculate.

Meanwhile, if anyone questions the kewlJ's overall expertise and honesty, I leave you with an article from travelandleisure.com. The kewlJ can explain how it's all Bumblefuck. LOL.


https://www.travelandleisure.com/joh...r%20recreation.

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Originally Posted by redietz

That's probably why Mr. Walters hired me. I don't know what I'm doing and have no established track record. Makes perfect sense.

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The question isn't why did Walters hire you. Real sports bettors hire people to get their bets in for them, or at least did in the 80s/90s when we are talking about.

So the real question is, if you were such an asset to the Billy Walters organization, why did he let you go after a few months Dietz?

Can't wait to hear this bullshit story.

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Great question. A solid topic for the radio show, certainly. Be sure to tune in. Be there or be square.

This is the final time, I am going to tell you this Dietz.

You are NOT a professional gambler, sports bettor, even blackjack player, unless you gamble your own money (accept the risk), win more than you lose and really support yourself off that money.

If someone else is supporting you, you are NOT a professional gambler (sports bettor).

If you money comes from something else, like selling picks (tout) or even selling encyclopedias, or vacuum cleaners, you are NOT a professional gambler.

A professional gambler supports themselves by gambling. They may have to start damn small as they build a bankroll, but they are betting (risking) their own money).

Here is the test of a professional gambler. You don't win, you don't eat or pay rent. You don't have some college professor supporting you whether you win or lose.

What a fucking Joke.

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Great question. A solid topic for the radio show, certainly. Be sure to tune in. Be there or be square.

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Speaking of fucking jokes, stop with this shit! Never going to happen. You have been sitting on the pot for 2+ years now.

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Great question. A solid topic for the radio show, certainly. Be sure to tune in. Be there or be square.

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Speaking of fucking jokes, stop with this shit! Never going to happen. You have been sitting on the pot for 2+ years now.

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But the remainder of us, moved on, a very long time ago. Ha.

I get fixated on people on these forums, like YOU Dietz, Singer, Mdawg, Moses, Flash from Norms forum that claim they are a professional gambler when none of them are.

If someone wants to be a professional gambler, that is support themselves from casino play or sports betting, then do it. It is not that difficult. You find something to do at an advantage or learn something at an advantage, build a bankroll, risk your money, betting in a manner to avoid or minimize Risk of ruin, and repeat, repeat, repeat.

There are plenty of real APs and players that have done exactly that on these forums. But this small group mentioned have not. They are posers. All with missing elements of what it really takes to be a professional gambler.

* Singer never came up with anything +EV, except maybe the double up bug that he stole from the news. Plus he had a working wife that supported him when he was running around losing all their money.

* Dawg has a wealthy family supporting him. (family money). he occasionally mentions something +EV, but none of it is the way things work. He is at least a somewhat wealthy guy that likes to gamble, loses and is comped accordingly.

* Moses and Flash were retired guys that had money and retirement income. They may have made a little money playing +EV blackjack (Flash certainly lost more on other forms of gambling).

* And you, are right there with them. Whatever you made and it couldn't have been much, you could only get by because someone else supported you.

None of that. None of you 5 are professional gamblers. And it is insulting to real players, that play with an advantage, take and accept the risk and make a living at it. It is just INSULTING!

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kewlJ: just admit that you enjoy telling stories for attention on forums, and will try to stop doing this in the future.

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Now I have to come back and clarify a few things.

A real AP or professional gambler having a wife that works is not disqualifying. I think Axelwolf has a wife that worked. A real good (online) friend that I networked with for years had a wife that worked, while he traveled a number of days a month making a good living as an AP (at first card counter, later other things). They had a house in the suburbs and put two kids through college. Just one of them was an advantage player for a living. So the wife that works is not the disqualifying thing. A wife supporting a break-even (at best) gambler is disqualifying as a professional AP (or gambler).

The second thing is the retired guys. there is absolutely nothing wrong with supplementing retirement with advantage play. Just say that is what you are fucking doing and don't play these word games about being a professional player, when you are not.

And Mickeycrimm, falls under retirement now that he collects SS. Mickey says he doesn't touch his SS, just has it build in the bank, and I believe him 100%. I get the feeling he is making more now or at least as much as any time in his life and having fun doing so. He is living off his advantage play, just happens to get a SS check on top. That is a lot different than someone living off their retirement check or savings and claiming to live off their gambling.

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If someone wants to be a professional gambler, that is support themselves from casino play or sports betting, then do it. It is not that difficult. You find something to do at an advantage or learn something at an advantage, build a bankroll, risk your money, betting in a manner to avoid or minimize Risk of ruin, and repeat, repeat, repeat.

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Or do what I did, and what many successful people do: get a real job, work hard, save, invest, be somewhat frugal but not cheap.

Gamble for fun if you want, but be fucking disciplined when / if you do: RoR is always out there if you foolishly go on tilt.

By retirement you too can be worth north of two million.

Just sayin;.

Of course there is nothing wrong with that MrV. Just an entirely different topic that these "people" claiming to be professional players. The only thing they are playing is the people of this forum.

How right you are, KJ: they're "playing."

But all play and no work makes jackasses dull their joy.

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Kewlj you do have a good imagination and a script that you stick to.

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FraudJ had a highly refined blackjack story that he worked for almost 2 decades before he outed himself as the tunnel dwelling male prostitute fraud that he is.:cool:

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Originally Posted by Seedvalue

you are a very good fictional storyteller lol KJ is a fictional Author masquerading on gambling boards as a sophisticated multi table blackjack savant. :

You don’t make a living playing blackjack tho. That the problem I have with you. Instead of just coming clean and saying you have sugar daddies some that like you others you have extorted you keep up the charade.

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Your blackjack story is well rehearsed.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

#1 with this guy is how you can almost SEE & FEEL the puny little twit jumping up and down, screaming like a toddler who just got his baba taken away by a big bad bully.

Bonus #2? He posts long-winded, rambling drama-laced "I NEED TO set the record straight or I'll go OUT OF MY MIND!" paragraphs that never seem to satisfy, as he then repeats the same things over and over again.

Best to just ask kew how close he is to faking his own death again.

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If someone wants to be a professional gambler, that is support themselves from casino play or sports betting, then do it. It is not that difficult. You find something to do at an advantage or learn something at an advantage, build a bankroll, risk your money, betting in a manner to avoid or minimize Risk of ruin, and repeat, repeat, repeat.

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Or do what I did, and what many successful people do: get a real job, work hard, save, invest, be somewhat frugal but not cheap.

Gamble for fun if you want, but be fucking disciplined when / if you do: RoR is always out there if you foolishly go on tilt.

By retirement you too can be worth north of two million.

Just sayin;.

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This is the final time, I am going to tell you this Dietz.

You are NOT a professional gambler, sports bettor, even blackjack player, unless you gamble your own money (accept the risk), win more than you lose and really support yourself off that money.

If someone else is supporting you, you are NOT a professional gambler (sports bettor).

If you money comes from something else, like selling picks (tout) or even selling encyclopedias, or vacuum cleaners, you are NOT a professional gambler.

A professional gambler supports themselves by gambling. They may have to start damn small as they build a bankroll, but they are betting (risking) their own money).

Here is the test of a professional gambler. You don't win, you don't eat or pay rent. You don't have some college professor supporting you whether you win or lose.

What a fucking Joke.

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Other than the fact that my wife died 25 years ago, you're spot on. But congrats for that trip down memory lane.

I suppose for the last 25 years, I've been pretending to win handicapping football, which is how I've suckered so many individuals into supporting me for decades while I've been losing. Boy, I must talk a helluva game to do this for 45 years and there are literally no complaints about a Bob Dietz's Integrity Sports anywhere on the internet. Plus I sweettalked the most successful sports gambler of all time into hiring me. I must be a regular Charles Xavier.

I appreciate everyone's patience and good will. Especially Mr. Walters. He's known for his philanthropy, after all. Ask anybody.

It's a good thing I took those KewlJ 101 classes and learned that "I'm not Gay. But $20 is $20."

That $20 a pop (and I do mean a pop) adds up in the long run.

P.S. Actually, kewlJ, despite his proclamations about being a professional gambler, is incorrect. If someone is operating on a percentage of profit basis and doesn't get paid if he loses, that person is actually the epitome of professional gambling. He either wins and makes money or he doesn't. An attorney who gets paid only after winning a case is in the same situation. That, my friends, is truly gambling.

You know, the whole KewlJ schtick is about presenting partial information and arguing his case dishonestly. If you're going to argue that I'm relying on my late wife, I think it's reasonable to mention that she died 25 years ago. It's pretty tasteless that you would leave that little detail out of the equation. See, this is why you are a dishonest little twit who other posters swore made more money under a table than at it.

You know, that last line was pretty good. MDawg, feel free to use it and get some T-shirts printed up.

Dietz, there is a saying in gambling/advantage play. Those that can...do. Those that can't write books.

With blackjack you can include run boot camps in with the write books. These people may have made some money playing, but they were missing something. The knowledge or ability to figure out how to keep play....how to keep being able to play, so they write books, run boot camps and make money off other people.

So the sports betting version of that is those that can pick winners at 55, 56, 57% or more do. They bet, win, repeat, repeat and never look back. Those that can't pick winners on a consistent basis, well the write books version of that in sports betting is....sell their picks. THAT is how they make money off other people.

Bob Dietz, just stop trying to sell us all that you were a great sports bettor. And stop with the "that's why Billy Walters hired you". You are embarrassing yourself.

Those that can pick winners...do. Those that can't sell their picks. You sir sold your picks. You were a tout.

Bob Dietz Integrity Sports. :D:D:D Bob Dietz Integrity Tout service. :)

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You came here to try AS HARD AS POSSIBLE to make others believe that you're some "Man-About-Town" pro BJ player, who does nothing but win win win while making complete fools out of casino bosses, casino security, and casino management.

As you can see, few anywhere buy your bullshit. Which begs the question WHY do something so stupid? The answer is simple and obvious: you're a loser in life, a loser in gambling, and a very weak person who gets jealous enuf to make up story after story about those who have succeeded where you have failed.

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kewlJ has also been caught in a lot of lies over time, both on this forum and elsewhere. Therefore, it is unclear if he really makes much (or anything) playing blackjack these days.

kewlJ is basically the Boy Who Cried Wolf of these AP forums. He has lied so many times that it's impossible to believe any stories he tells.

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Plus I sweettalked the most successful sports gambler of all time into hiring me. I must be a regular Charles Xavier.

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In year 4 of my blackjack career, back in Atlantic City, I joined up with a blackjack team for a number of months. It is something I chose not to talk about for many years until someone else brought it up, because I thought it might be identifying. Different players were doing or attempting to do a variety of things, from card counting, to shuffle-tracking to hole carding. I, one of the lower level players, was mostly involved in card counting.

So do you know why I was accepted on that team? It isn't because I was a great card counter. They would take just about anybody. They needed throw-away players, that once they used them up, they could discard them and replace with some more throw-aways. In blackjack what that means is burned out their face.

And THAT is what Billy Walters and other successful sports bettors did with runners. You weren't anything special to him. You were a throw-away. And that is why you lasted 6 months.

I lasted even shorter time as a throw-away, because I knew going in what the deal was. I had struggled my first 3 years barely getting by, but not really building my bankroll, which I needed to do to move forward. So I joined this team for a short time, just long enough to make a little bit of money to bump up my bankroll, and then took off and never looked back.

But the moral of the story is, your time with Walters, you were a throw-away nothing "runner" He didn't consult with you. Give me a break.

Your problem Dietz is the same problem as this Mdawg character. You think you can just say shit, that isn't the way things work and no one will question it. You think people on these forums, real players, don't know. Mate, you are NOT the smartest person in the room like you think you are and you are fooling no one.

Integrity Sports says kelly betting does not apply to sports betting because just because you consistently won in the past does not mean you will win in the future.

Integrity Sports also promised something like a 10% or 15% return for a 4 month investment. In other words, those future bets are going to cash and show a profit.

So in the first case, according to Integrity Sports, you CAN'T count on winning, but in the 2nd case, you CAN count on winning.

How does that work, redietz?

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kewlJ has also been caught in a lot of lies over time, both on this forum and elsewhere. Therefore, it is unclear if he really makes much (or anything) playing blackjack these days.

kewlJ is basically the Boy Who Cried Wolf of these AP forums. He has lied so many times that it's impossible to believe any stories he tells.

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Here's some quotes from Walters' book, Chapter 10, The Computer Group:

"We were the nations largest betting syndicate. Our origins traced back to a geeky softball player tinkering on his computer."

"Michael Kent was a....math and computer wizard when he wrote the code that birthed the Computer Group....He wrote the computer program that pioneered the use of algorithms and PROBABILITY THEORIES to predict power rated numbers in sporting events against the official Las Vegas line. His creation proved to be a groundbreaking formula for wagering on college and professional sports."

"Mike upgraded his software program, which was performing more and more like a crystal ball, winning north of 60% of the bets....betting at times one hundred games per week."

"My job with the group was moving money....'Chicago Gary' was my man on the street in charge of a crew of at least thirty runners....On an average weekend with pro football, college football and basketball in full swing, we placed bets totaling more than $10 million."

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Integrity Sports says kelly betting does not apply to sports betting because just because you consistently won in the past does not mean you will win in the future.

Integrity Sports also promised something like a 10% or 15% return for a 4 month investment. In other words, those future bets are going to cash and show a profit.

So in the first case, according to Integrity Sports, you CAN'T count on winning, but in the 2nd case, you CAN count on winning.

How does that work, redietz?

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I get your point. Dietz is making flip-flopping, contradictory statements to serve his needs.

But here is what I would ask. Just what constitutes a large enough sample size (of past results) to have meaning? 100's of games? thousands of games? 10's of thousands of games? The guys that use computer analysis are analyzing thousands and 10's of thousands of games.

So what about this first 2 weeks of NFL underdogs? The data shows for 12 years now I think, Dogs +points have won significantly, showing a profit every year or every year but 1 (I forget). But it is NOT 12 years of all games. It is 12 years of the first 2 weeks games. @ 16 games a week that is 32 games a year or 384 games. Is that a big enough sample size? :confused: Probably not.

What do you think mickey? I can't wait to hit this play. Last year I bet moderately big and the first week lost, and the second week won, more than the first weeks loss for a reasonably smallish profit. This year, I am going to hit it big. Move money around, throw half my bankroll at it spread around the Vegas books. Going all in, so to speak. Kelly says not to do this. Fuck it, I am going all in. 6-26 or 8-24 over the 2 weeks could spell my first ever losing year as an AP. I am going with the math. Over-betting, but going with the math.

And this is the last time I am going to speak about it until after week 2 results. Will give the KJ haters something to root for. :D

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Perhaps if you worked harder to create a coherent narrative that didn't contradict itself or defy common sense...

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In year 4 of my blackjack career, back in Atlantic City, I joined up with a blackjack team for a number of months.

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I have a friend who is a top AP in this town that is well known. Author of a top AP book, years ago. He has been to my home a number of times now and I have worked with him and his team a number of times.

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I was recruited for teams at least twice. Another top, long running team claims they were recruiting me that I was not aware of. I turned down all offers.

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I have a blackjack partner. We operate a two man team. I am playing with a partner [as part of a] larger team.

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I have never been a member of a team, solo act only.

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How are you harping on someone else to explain their timeline when your own timeline is swiss cheese?

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Integrity Sports says kelly betting does not apply to sports betting because just because you consistently won in the past does not mean you will win in the future.

Integrity Sports also promised something like a 10% or 15% return for a 4 month investment. In other words, those future bets are going to cash and show a profit.

So in the first case, according to Integrity Sports, you CAN'T count on winning, but in the 2nd case, you CAN count on winning.

How does that work, redietz?

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Even back in my youth, I wrote carefully, is how that works, mickey.

I see you didn't provide a screen shot of the alleged quote. Let's look it up in real time, shall we?

Well, mickey, care to rewrite what you wrote? I understand you didn't have the advantage of a college education, so I will walk you through it. Now understand that I wrote this 27 or 28 years ago.

"Modus operandi" means "characteristic or well-established way of doing something." There is no "promise." It's implicit that any reference is to past results. It's also implicit that any reference to 10-15% profit is a goal going forward, not a guarantee.

Even back in my youth, I knew better than to misuse phrases like "EV."

No charge for the vocabulary lesson. But if you're going to quote me next time, quote me. Don't paraphrase what you think something might mean. Or if you don't clearly remember what I said, have the work ethic to look it up before typing. And then head to Wikipedia for a definition if you don't understand a word or phrase.

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Integrity Sports says kelly betting does not apply to sports betting because just because you consistently won in the past does not mean you will win in the future.

Integrity Sports also promised something like a 10% or 15% return for a 4 month investment. In other words, those future bets are going to cash and show a profit.

So in the first case, according to Integrity Sports, you CAN'T count on winning, but in the 2nd case, you CAN count on winning.

How does that work, redietz?

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Even back in my youth, I wrote carefully, is how that works, mickey.

I see you didn't provide a screen shot of the alleged quote. Let's look it up in real time, shall we?

Well, mickey, care to rewrite what you wrote? I understand you didn't have the advantage of a college education, so I will walk you through it. Now understand that I wrote this 27 or 28 years ago.

"Modus operandi" means "characteristic or well-established way of doing something." There is no "promise." It's implicit that any reference is to past results. It's also implicit that any reference to 10-15% profit is a goal going forward, not a guarantee.

Even back in my youth, I knew better than to misuse phrases like "EV."

No charge for the vocabulary lesson. But if you're going to quote me next time, quote me. Don't paraphrase what you think something might mean. Or if you don't clearly remember what I said, have the work ethic to look it up before typing. And then head to Wikipedia for a definition if you don't understand a word or phrase.

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Bitch, I don't take orders from you. I do what the fuck I want, not what you want.

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Integrity Sports says kelly betting does not apply to sports betting because just because you consistently won in the past does not mean you will win in the future.

Integrity Sports also promised something like a 10% or 15% return for a 4 month investment. In other words, those future bets are going to cash and show a profit.

So in the first case, according to Integrity Sports, you CAN'T count on winning, but in the 2nd case, you CAN count on winning.

How does that work, redietz?

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Even back in my youth, I wrote carefully, is how that works, mickey.

I see you didn't provide a screen shot of the alleged quote. Let's look it up in real time, shall we?

Well, mickey, care to rewrite what you wrote? I understand you didn't have the advantage of a college education, so I will walk you through it. Now understand that I wrote this 27 or 28 years ago.

"Modus operandi" means "characteristic or well-established way of doing something." There is no "promise." It's implicit that any reference is to past results. It's also implicit that any reference to 10-15% profit is a goal going forward, not a guarantee.

Even back in my youth, I knew better than to misuse phrases like "EV."

No charge for the vocabulary lesson. But if you're going to quote me next time, quote me. Don't paraphrase what you think something might mean. Or if you don't clearly remember what I said, have the work ethic to look it up before typing. And then head to Wikipedia for a definition if you don't understand a word or phrase.

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Bitch, I don't take orders from you. I do what the fuck I want, not what you want. If you don't like it, fuck off and die.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

Integrity Sports says kelly betting does not apply to sports betting because just because you consistently won in the past does not mean you will win in the future.

Integrity Sports also promised something like a 10% or 15% return for a 4 month investment. In other words, those future bets are going to cash and show a profit.

So in the first case, according to Integrity Sports, you CAN'T count on winning, but in the 2nd case, you CAN count on winning.

How does that work, redietz?

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Even back in my youth, I wrote carefully, is how that works, mickey.

I see you didn't provide a screen shot of the alleged quote. Let's look it up in real time, shall we?

Well, mickey, care to rewrite what you wrote? I understand you didn't have the advantage of a college education, so I will walk you through it. Now understand that I wrote this 27 or 28 years ago.

"Modus operandi" means "characteristic or well-established way of doing something." There is no "promise." It's implicit that any reference is to past results. It's also implicit that any reference to 10-15% profit is a goal going forward, not a guarantee.

Even back in my youth, I knew better than to misuse phrases like "EV."

No charge for the vocabulary lesson. But if you're going to quote me next time, quote me. Don't paraphrase what you think something might mean. Or if you don't clearly remember what I said, have the work ethic to look it up before typing. And then head to Wikipedia for a definition if you don't understand a word or phrase.

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This post is the epitome of Bob Dietz and all his arrogance. Mickeycrimm, college education or degree or not is far more knowledgeable that you with your Pa Farmers college degree. Far more knowledgeable than me with my patchwork degree of several years at Villanova (Go Cats!), finished up online. Far more knowledgeable than most APs that play for a living.

Detractors like Dawg, use the same argument with Axelwolf. But here is the truth. A degree in advantage play is not learned in a classroom. It is learned in the casino. Not only do many successful AP's have no college degree, but there are many that have a degree in something totally unrelated (like journalism) that lends nothing to what they make a living at. My brother is one of that second group. His degree, I am not even going to say what in, lends nothing to how he has made a living for 11 years now.

Dietz, you using college education and degrees as some measuring stick about advantage play, is just another case of you not having a clue. :cool:

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Professional Gamblers / Casino APs who actually make their living from beating casinos don’t spend all their time trying to convince everyone they are legit. It’s the exact opposite. They don’t want anyone to know because it threatens their ability to earn.

The fact you have spent thousands of hours and years of your life 10000s of posts trying to convince everyone with a computer you play blackjack for a living proves you don’t do shit.

100 percent you sell ass and mouth for cash. You play some on the side but your sugar daddies pay the bills. Fact

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Integrity Sports says kelly betting does not apply to sports betting because just because you consistently won in the past does not mean you will win in the future.

Integrity Sports also promised something like a 10% or 15% return for a 4 month investment. In other words, those future bets are going to cash and show a profit.

So in the first case, according to Integrity Sports, you CAN'T count on winning, but in the 2nd case, you CAN count on winning.

How does that work, redietz?

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Even back in my youth, I wrote carefully, is how that works, mickey.

I see you didn't provide a screen shot of the alleged quote. Let's look it up in real time, shall we?

Well, mickey, care to rewrite what you wrote? I understand you didn't have the advantage of a college education, so I will walk you through it. Now understand that I wrote this 27 or 28 years ago.

"Modus operandi" means "characteristic or well-established way of doing something." There is no "promise." It's implicit that any reference is to past results. It's also implicit that any reference to 10-15% profit is a goal going forward, not a guarantee.

Even back in my youth, I knew better than to misuse phrases like "EV."

No charge for the vocabulary lesson. But if you're going to quote me next time, quote me. Don't paraphrase what you think something might mean. Or if you don't clearly remember what I said, have the work ethic to look it up before typing. And then head to Wikipedia for a definition if you don't understand a word or phrase.

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This post is the epitome of Bob Dietz and all his arrogance. Mickeycrimm, college education or degree or not is far more knowledgeable that you with your Pa Farmers college degree. Far more knowledgeable than me with my patchwork degree of several years at Villanova (Go Cats!), finished up online. Far more knowledgeable than most APs that play for a living.

Detractors like Dawg, use the same argument with Axelwolf. But here is the truth. A degree in advantage play is not learned in a classroom. It is learned in the casino. Not only do many successful AP's have no college degree, but there are many that have a degree in something totally unrelated (like journalism) that lends nothing to what they make a living at. My brother is one of that second group. His degree, I am not even going to say what in, lends nothing to how he has made a living for 11 years now.

Dietz, you using college education and degrees as some measuring stick about advantage play, is just another case of you not having a clue. :cool:

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Believe it or not, I was being kind to mickey. If you'll notice, I have been restrained, probably overly so, with him. It would be completely uncharacteristic of my posts with him for me to pull some kind of "college educated rank" stuff. I was serious. I realized there was a good chance he had mentally summarized "Modus Operandi" as "EV" in his head because "Modus Operandi" is not a phrase one runs into on forums all the time.

I certainly wouldn't lie about it. Go back and re-read my posts to mickey from the last year. I have been respectful 99% of the time, and restrained, because I think he is struggling a bit. As opposed, of course, to you. You're just an assclown, as Tony Stark says in Iron Man 2.

I may be an assclown. I may be a bit of a dick at times on these forums. I may be a bit arrogant and opinionated and even dislikeable, myself. But I am a real AP who has ground out a living for 22 years from casinos, and I can spot a phony/poser a mile away. :cool:

I will give you this much, you flew under my radar for a good long time, but that is only because I am a blackjack AP, and had little knowledge of sports betting. But eventually like all these posers, you exposed yourself (although got some help from mickeycrimm and the final nail by Kim Lee). And when it all crumbles, it crumbles fast.

Can we get the movie dude Dennison to make a movie, "The professional sports tout". Never seen a movie on that subject matter. You might even make a few bucks.

Probably getting Bruce Willis to play the tout is out of the question since he can no longer even remember what he had for lunch. maybe some other bald dude, like Tucci. I could see Stanley Tucci as the scammy tout. :cool:

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UNKewlJ also has a ridiculous deficiency when it comes to reading the room - still doesn't get that no one believes him and has resigned him to the scrap pile for some time now. Inability to read the room also translates into someone who could never survive in a casino environment, certainly not under the radar.

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Now I have to come back and clarify a few things.

A real AP or professional gambler having a wife that works is not disqualifying. I think Axelwolf has a wife that worked. A real good (online) friend that I networked with for years had a wife that worked, while he traveled a number of days a month making a good living as an AP (at first card counter, later other things). They had a house in the suburbs and put two kids through college. Just one of them was an advantage player for a living. So the wife that works is not the disqualifying thing. A wife supporting a break-even (at best) gambler is disqualifying as a professional AP (or gambler).

The second thing is the retired guys. there is absolutely nothing wrong with supplementing retirement with advantage play. Just say that is what you are fucking doing and don't play these word games about being a professional player, when you are not.

And Mickeycrimm, falls under retirement now that he collects SS. Mickey says he doesn't touch his SS, just has it build in the bank, and I believe him 100%. I get the feeling he is making more now or at least as much as any time in his life and having fun doing so. He is living off his advantage play, just happens to get a SS check on top. That is a lot different than someone living off their retirement check or savings and claiming to live off their gambling.

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In the last 24 years, my wife has more years of college than she has worked a real job; she has a total of about 2 years working a real job, she worked at a bank for a while, a few odd jobs, and one year as a cocktail waitress.

She has spent many hours working for or with me as an advantage player. She also played a few slam dunk plays on her own, but she normally doesn't like to unless it's practically risk free easy money, because she's very, very risk-averse.

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Even back in my youth, I wrote carefully, is how that works, mickey.

I see you didn't provide a screen shot of the alleged quote. Let's look it up in real time, shall we?

Well, mickey, care to rewrite what you wrote? I understand you didn't have the advantage of a college education, so I will walk you through it. Now understand that I wrote this 27 or 28 years ago.

"Modus operandi" means "characteristic or well-established way of doing something." There is no "promise." It's implicit that any reference is to past results. It's also implicit that any reference to 10-15% profit is a goal going forward, not a guarantee.

Even back in my youth, I knew better than to misuse phrases like "EV."

No charge for the vocabulary lesson. But if you're going to quote me next time, quote me. Don't paraphrase what you think something might mean. Or if you don't clearly remember what I said, have the work ethic to look it up before typing. And then head to Wikipedia for a definition if you don't understand a word or phrase.

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This post is the epitome of Bob Dietz and all his arrogance. Mickeycrimm, college education or degree or not is far more knowledgeable that you with your Pa Farmers college degree. Far more knowledgeable than me with my patchwork degree of several years at Villanova (Go Cats!), finished up online. Far more knowledgeable than most APs that play for a living.

Detractors like Dawg, use the same argument with Axelwolf. But here is the truth. A degree in advantage play is not learned in a classroom. It is learned in the casino. Not only do many successful AP's have no college degree, but there are many that have a degree in something totally unrelated (like journalism) that lends nothing to what they make a living at. My brother is one of that second group. His degree, I am not even going to say what in, lends nothing to how he has made a living for 11 years now.

Dietz, you using college education and degrees as some measuring stick about advantage play, is just another case of you not having a clue. :cool:

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Believe it or not, I was being kind to mickey. If you'll notice, I have been restrained, probably overly so, with him. It would be completely uncharacteristic of my posts with him for me to pull some kind of "college educated rank" stuff. I was serious. I realized there was a good chance he had mentally summarized "Modus Operandi" as "EV" in his head because "Modus Operandi" is not a phrase one runs into on forums all the time.

I certainly wouldn't lie about it. Go back and re-read my posts to mickey from the last year. I have been respectful 99% of the time, and restrained, because I think he is struggling a bit. As opposed, of course, to you. You're just an assclown, as Tony Stark says in Iron Man 2.

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God, you’re stupid.

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Here's some quotes from Walters' book, Chapter 10, The Computer Group:

"We were the nations largest betting syndicate. Our origins traced back to a geeky softball player tinkering on his computer."

"Michael Kent was a....math and computer wizard when he wrote the code that birthed the Computer Group....He wrote the computer program that pioneered the use of algorithms and PROBABILITY THEORIES to predict power rated numbers in sporting events against the official Las Vegas line. His creation proved to be a groundbreaking formula for wagering on college and professional sports."

"Mike upgraded his software program, which was performing more and more like a crystal ball, winning north of 60% of the bets....betting at times one hundred games per week."

"My job with the group was moving money....'Chicago Gary' was my man on the street in charge of a crew of at least thirty runners....On an average weekend with pro football, college football and basketball in full swing, we placed bets totaling more than $10 million."

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Here's some quotes from Walters' book, Chapter 10, The Computer Group:

"We were the nations largest betting syndicate. Our origins traced back to a geeky softball player tinkering on his computer."

"Michael Kent was a....math and computer wizard when he wrote the code that birthed the Computer Group....He wrote the computer program that pioneered the use of algorithms and PROBABILITY THEORIES to predict power rated numbers in sporting events against the official Las Vegas line. His creation proved to be a groundbreaking formula for wagering on college and professional sports."

"Mike upgraded his software program, which was performing more and more like a crystal ball, winning north of 60% of the bets....betting at times one hundred games per week."

"My job with the group was moving money....'Chicago Gary' was my man on the street in charge of a crew of at least thirty runners....On an average weekend with pro football, college football and basketball in full swing, we placed bets totaling more than $10 million."

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Mickey, obviously I know all this stuff. I walked the book club through it. Why do you think it somehow supports whatever it is you think you are saying?

And if you'll notice, I haven't initiated a negative post regarding you for a long, long time. Every response of mine, even this one, is a reaction to a post you made attacking me in some way or challenging what I stated. I haven't initiated negative posts regarding you. It's something I decided on quite a ways back. I didn't bother to mention it because it's actually pretty obvious (as opposed to my comments regarding kewlJ, who is an ass clown).

So I suppose I should apologize for being gentle and not attacking you except as a response. Okay, you got it. I apologize that anything negative I said about you was strictly a response, and a gentler response, to whatever you had to say about me.

Have a good day, and if you want to interview me in LV, I will be more than happy to use some air miles to bring you down to your old stomping grounds. If you haven't seen Circa yet, it's a hoot.

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Here's some quotes from Walters' book, Chapter 10, The Computer Group:

"We were the nations largest betting syndicate. Our origins traced back to a geeky softball player tinkering on his computer."

"Michael Kent was a....math and computer wizard when he wrote the code that birthed the Computer Group....He wrote the computer program that pioneered the use of algorithms and PROBABILITY THEORIES to predict power rated numbers in sporting events against the official Las Vegas line. His creation proved to be a groundbreaking formula for wagering on college and professional sports."

"Mike upgraded his software program, which was performing more and more like a crystal ball, winning north of 60% of the bets....betting at times one hundred games per week."

"My job with the group was moving money....'Chicago Gary' was my man on the street in charge of a crew of at least thirty runners....On an average weekend with pro football, college football and basketball in full swing, we placed bets totaling more than $10 million."

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Mickey, obviously I know all this stuff. I walked the book club through it. Why do you think it somehow supports whatever it is you think you are saying?

And if you'll notice, I haven't initiated a negative post regarding you for a long, long time. Every response of mine, even this one, is a reaction to a post you made attacking me in some way or challenging what I stated. I haven't initiated negative posts regarding you. It's something I decided on quite a ways back. I didn't bother to mention it because it's actually pretty obvious (as opposed to my comments regarding kewlJ, who is an ass clown).

So I suppose I should apologize for being gentle and not attacking you except as a response. Okay, you got it. I apologize that anything negative I said about you was strictly a response, and a gentler response, to whatever you had to say about me.

Have a good day, and if you want to interview me in LV, I will be more than happy to use some air miles to bring you down to your old stomping grounds. If you haven't seen Circa yet, it's a hoot.

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Your compulsive lying is glaring. Every post you’ve made toward me has anything from negative connotations to downright hostility.

You have great reason for lying. You painted yourself into a very tight corner with the “opinion” shit. Walters was betting statistics not opinions. So you decided to allege in so many words that his book is a fraud, a hoax. Everyone can see thru your bullshit. You’ve done great harm to what little reputation you had.

I will gladly pay your airfare to North Korea if you promise not to come back.

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Integrity Sports says kelly betting does not apply to sports betting because just because you consistently won in the past does not mean you will win in the future.

Integrity Sports also promised something like a 10% or 15% return for a 4 month investment. In other words, those future bets are going to cash and show a profit.

So in the first case, according to Integrity Sports, you CAN'T count on winning, but in the 2nd case, you CAN count on winning.

How does that work, redietz?

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I get your point. Dietz is making flip-flopping, contradictory statements to serve his needs.

But here is what I would ask. Just what constitutes a large enough sample size (of past results) to have meaning? 100's of games? thousands of games? 10's of thousands of games? The guys that use computer analysis are analyzing thousands and 10's of thousands of games. :D

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According to Walters, when a game was over, they had to integrate the stats of that game into the power rating. They did this at the rate of 10% to get the new power rating. I think that, mathematically, this meant the power rating would be based on the last 20 games or so. As the 10% rate would wash old stats out of the rating.

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Even back in my youth, I wrote carefully, is how that works, mickey.

I see you didn't provide a screen shot of the alleged quote. Let's look it up in real time, shall we?

Well, mickey, care to rewrite what you wrote? I understand you didn't have the advantage of a college education, so I will walk you through it. Now understand that I wrote this 27 or 28 years ago.

"Modus operandi" means "characteristic or well-established way of doing something." There is no "promise." It's implicit that any reference is to past results. It's also implicit that any reference to 10-15% profit is a goal going forward, not a guarantee.

Even back in my youth, I knew better than to misuse phrases like "EV."

No charge for the vocabulary lesson. But if you're going to quote me next time, quote me. Don't paraphrase what you think something might mean. Or if you don't clearly remember what I said, have the work ethic to look it up before typing. And then head to Wikipedia for a definition if you don't understand a word or phrase.

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This post is the epitome of Bob Dietz and all his arrogance. Mickeycrimm, college education or degree or not is far more knowledgeable that you with your Pa Farmers college degree. Far more knowledgeable than me with my patchwork degree of several years at Villanova (Go Cats!), finished up online. Far more knowledgeable than most APs that play for a living.

Detractors like Dawg, use the same argument with Axelwolf. But here is the truth. A degree in advantage play is not learned in a classroom. It is learned in the casino. Not only do many successful AP's have no college degree, but there are many that have a degree in something totally unrelated (like journalism) that lends nothing to what they make a living at. My brother is one of that second group. His degree, I am not even going to say what in, lends nothing to how he has made a living for 11 years now.

Dietz, you using college education and degrees as some measuring stick about advantage play, is just another case of you not having a clue. :cool:

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Believe it or not, I was being kind to mickey. If you'll notice, I have been restrained, probably overly so, with him. It would be completely uncharacteristic of my posts with him for me to pull some kind of "college educated rank" stuff. I was serious. I realized there was a good chance he had mentally summarized "Modus Operandi" as "EV" in his head because "Modus Operandi" is not a phrase one runs into on forums all the time.

I certainly wouldn't lie about it. Go back and re-read my posts to mickey from the last year. I have been respectful 99% of the time, and restrained, because I think he is struggling a bit. As opposed, of course, to you. You're just an assclown, as Tony Stark says in Iron Man 2.

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He is struggling???


Buddy they're taking you to a nursing home in a few weeks but lied about it. There is no fucking house being built lmao.

You might be nice to mickey but I'm not nice to you.

Only one person has consistently midapplied Expected Value and it isn't Mickey.