Math vs fantasy

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Originally Posted by Spike

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by Spike

As well you should not. What I do doesn't defy the math, the math changes because I'm using non-random bets. Surely you see that the math was calculated using random bets and that it has to change if you're using non-random.

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First, don't call me Shirley.

Second I am going to hate myself for even engaging, but define "non-random bets". .

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Don't hate yourself, looks like everybody here is doing that for you. The best example of a non-random bet would be people who use their birthdays, anniversaries, whatever numbers are special to them and they bet those same numbers over and over and over every time they play. Those are non-random bets. But those aren't going to change the math because those non-random bets are still bet randomly, there's no Rhyme or Reason to them. My non-random bets are arrived at after years of study and there are only made when the time is correct. When the roulette outcomes are playing my game. When the roulette outcomes are favorable to what I'm doing which most of the time they're not. I have to wait for the right opportunity and then I have an 80% hit rate. Sometimes I can go a whole day online of checking various casinos in I'll never see a betting opportunity. Others days it's all I see. You have to know when to bet and what to bet on. Then the math is in your favor and you have the edge.

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What is your criteria for placing a bet?

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

if EvenBob had some magical winning system, he wouldn't have been driving a cab and managed or owned a bar.

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Doesn't sound like magic to me, seems like he puts effort into it.

Sometimes you leave a thread on this forum and write that you're "going to work".

Do you consider what you do for income, namely playing blackjack, "work"?

What makes you think that hopping around from casino-to-casino is better work, or a better life than driving, or bartending?

And what kind of self-respecting educated woman would rather not pursue a successful career?

Some of you APs have an odd perspective on "straight" jobs, and conventional lifestyles in general.

Money aside, you come off like a bunch of lowlife grifters, lying angle-shooters and agitated bitter losers.

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Originally Posted by MisterV

Oh..."Pluck your magic twanger, Froggy."

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You go, oldtimer.

Andy's Gang...LOL.

What grade were you in, in 1960?

Birthdays and anniversaries. How could I have been so stupid as to have not seen the mathematics behind that? :rolleyes:

The secret to beating the casinos....special plays, birthdays and anniversaries and betting into hot streaks. ;)

Over/under on the number of pages this thread gets by Saturday?

Math vs Fantasy

The Math says your sports betting story is nonsense.

The Fantasy says it's true.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Just the same as if EvenBob had some magical winning system, he wouldn't have been driving a cab and managed or owned a bar.

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First of all I don't do magic. Second of all, good grief. I didn't just drive a cab I owned a small Cab Company and before that I owned a bar but that was in the late '70s and '80s. I didn't start playing roulette until 2004. Decades later. What the hell does one have to do with the other. When I started playing roulette I was 55 years old. You make way too many assumptions and jump to way too many conclusions. Quit it.

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

What is your criteria for placing a bet?

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A legitimate question? You weren't going to call me a name or insult my mother first? How odd.. I play a certain game that I invented that I play within the game of roulette. I can only play this game when the outcomes are cooperating which they are not most of the time. So I have to wait. It's much easier online in Michigan now because they have legal online gambling here. Sometimes at a brick and mortar Casino I would go and never see a bet the whole time I was there. Here is a simple example of what I mean. This is an EXAMPLE this is NOT what I do. This is nothing like what I do. Let's say you have a simplistic game where you only bet on streaks that have been going on for eight outcomes or more. So you see eight Reds and you bet red. That's having a very specific game and waiting for the outcomes to play your game. Once again this is NOT what I do, what I do is much more complicated. What will now happen is Axel will skim this post and tomorrow accuse me of waiting for streaks. I guarantee it this is what he always does. Because he never reads anything with comprehension, I can't count the number of times he's asked me the exact same question because he doesn't remember that I already answered it.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Birthdays and anniversaries. How could I have been so stupid as to have not seen the mathematics behind that? :rolleyes:

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Now this is exactly what Axel does, I give something as a simplistic example and he thinks that's what I do. He thinks that this is part of my strategy. I use birthdays and anniversaries as an example of non random bets because it's very common for people to bet that way. If you're going to continuously misunderstand what I write I will eventually ignore you completely and never answer any question that you ask. Maybe that's what you want, who knows.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

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Originally Posted by MisterV

Oh..."Pluck your magic twanger, Froggy."

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You go, oldtimer.

Andy's Gang...LOL.

What grade were you in, in 1960?

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In 1960 he was a freshman in high school. But he won't say because that would give away his age

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Originally Posted by cyberbabble

Math vs Fantasy

The Math says your sports betting story is nonsense.

The Fantasy says it's true.

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Then your handle is most appropriate because the math absolutely works. Mickeycrimm, laid out and explained the math of what I did almost excatly.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

if EvenBob had some magical winning system, he wouldn't have been driving a cab and managed or owned a bar.

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Doesn't sound like magic to me, seems like he puts effort into it.

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You have no idea how much effort. I've been doing this for 18 years every day. Not playing for real money every day, but at least practicing everyday. In 2006 I bought my first Roulette Extreme software and I still use it to this day. It lets you import actual outcomes from German casinos and play them like it's for real. It's an indispensable tool if you're going to learn how to play roulette.

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Originally Posted by Spike

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

What is your criteria for placing a bet?

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A legitimate question? You weren't going to call me a name or insult my mother first? How odd.. I play a certain game that I invented that I play within the game of roulette. I can only play this game when the outcomes are cooperating which they are not most of the time. So I have to wait. It's much easier online in Michigan now because they have legal online gambling here. Sometimes at a brick and mortar Casino I would go and never see a bet the whole time I was there. Here is a simple example of what I mean. This is an EXAMPLE this is NOT what I do. This is nothing like what I do. Let's say you have a simplistic game where you only bet on streaks that have been going on for eight outcomes or more. So you see eight Reds and you bet red. That's having a very specific game and waiting for the outcomes to play your game. Once again this is NOT what I do, what I do is much more complicated. What will now happen is Axel will skim this post and tomorrow accuse me of waiting for streaks. I guarantee it this is what he always does. Because he never reads anything with comprehension, I can't count the number of times he's asked me the exact same question because he doesn't remember that I already answered it.

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Why would axel remember you not answering the question above even though you posted 1 helluva paragraph.

What prevents you from just telling people how it works?

Hey Spike, I got a proposal for ya.

Explain in detail exactly how you play your "game within a game" at the roulette table; provide enough detail so that the sharpies on this board can run simulations using your method.

If the sims show a win every time as you claim, then I will tell you my age.

Something for something, eh?

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by cyberbabble

Math vs Fantasy

The Math says your sports betting story is nonsense.

The Fantasy says it's true.

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Then your handle is most appropriate because the math absolutely works. Mickeycrimm, laid out and explained the math of what I did almost excatly.

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As usual the math works but the scenario it occurs within never works.

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Originally Posted by Spike

First of all I don't do magic. Second of all, good grief. I didn't just drive a cab I owned a small Cab Company and before that I owned a bar but that was in the late '70s and '80s. I didn't start playing roulette until 2004. Decades later. What the hell does one have to do with the other. When I started playing roulette I was 55 years old. You make way too many assumptions and jump to way too many conclusions. Quit it.

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Spike, I don't know your history or everything you have claimed. What I know is that when I joined WoV, you Pmed me talking about card counting. You said that while driving a cab, you used to stop by the casino for some play. At the time, I remember thinking it sounded like the character "Looney" from the Richard Dreyfuss movie Let it ride, that drove a cab yet gambled daily. If you were relaying events of 30 years prior to that time, you didn't make that clear.

At least you seemed to know how the math of card counting worked at the time. BUT, as time has gone on, your gambling claims defying gambling math, grew and grew. I wasn't a member in good standing at WoV, during most of it so I didn't have the opportunity to respond. Then you showed up at GF, where your claims of roulette grew even more preposterous. Mickeycrimm repeatedly tried to get me to comment on it, but I just had no interest. GF is a completely voodoo gambling forum with many degenerate gamblers espousing voodoo nonsense. I didn't see the need to engage.

But now you come here, and regardless that we have had pleasant conversations in the past, yes, I will call bullshit on what you are claiming and have been claiming for a while. I mean I sort of figured you weren't serious and just playing for attention. AND that was before you revealed your birthday/anniversary strategy. :D

I really don't care because no one took you seriously enough that you could be harming other naive players like Singer and Mdawg. But if you are going to come here and continue with your nonsense, don't expect me to not say anything. I mean it is obviously attention you are after with such ridiculous talk. So you have that attention.

Happy trails old boy!

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

As usual the math works but the scenario it occurs within never works.

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Wrong!!! The math works because the math works. That is why I do whatever it is that I claim or talk about. There are no special plays or betting into hot streaks gambling voodoo. The math works.

Now what you guys, the whole group of you that have a hard-on for discrediting me, do is nit pick some of the details, because you don't do what I do, so you are speaking from ignorance. You are speaking from hate that is about something else entirely. That is what your agenda is.

I try to explain some of what I do and how I do it. But it is like talking to a wall. People that only want to hear what they have predetermined they want to hear, based on their bias. And in the end, every time I try to explain what I do and how or why, it ends up hurting me. I share things I shouldn't and it puts me and what I do in jeopardy.

So just fuck off AccountinQuestion. You haters hating and making up lies.... you, Mdawg, Rob Singer, whoever else feels the need to jump on the bandwagon, changes nothing about me, what I do, or how I support myself. I am right here, living in a nice location, still making a comfortable living beating casinos for 20 years now. If anything I have branched out a bit, incorporating new things into my advantage play, including a whole new way of playing blackjack.

So Hate away. It doesn't effect me. You are trolls and haters on an internet forum.

I really don't care what anyone wants to claim. Well to a point. Newell RVs and mansions are that point. :rolleyes:

I have one simple rule: Make sure the math works. I just don't want to hear long disproven gambling voodoo.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

What I did with the DU play was all about math. Kew is too dumb to understand that, but it was probably the best advantage play in gambling history. And did I "defy or re-write the math" in the 4 years I played my vp play strategy and won over $375k? Hardly. No one beats long-term gambling math. What I did was adjust a number of certain holds in order that large winners could sometimes appear, and hope they might be often and big enuf to keep me in the black. If I did this long enough then the math says I'd be a loser in the inexplicable "long term". But for the relatively short amount of time I played the strategy, good luck appeared often enuf that I was able to meet my 5% of bankroll win goal much more often than I failed to do so. Every aspect of the strategy was built around allowing good luck to show up more often than usual, and at relatively higher denominations. And with a non-greedy (because of the $50k+ session bankroll) 5% win goal of minimum $2500, most sessions ended with a win--with some ending with huge wins.The losing sessions? 95% weren't that bad, because of the many soft profit cashouts that were never played again along the way.

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The double up bug was indeed an advantage play. There is an argument to be had as to whether it was cheating (getting paid a multitude of the amount you should be paid for the money wagered), but it was an advantage play. I think it can be both. But it doesn't even matter because it was NOT your play. You stole that story from Kane and Nestor and the news.

As for your VP strategy. Just complete nonsense, just like EvenBob. your explanation is that "good luck appeared often enough". Give me a break.

I go back to something I said in the first post of this thread. If you had won what you claimed playing the DU bug and various other Singer nonsensensical betting systems (betting systems don't change the advantage), and you had this holy grail, basically a license to print money, you and the wife wouldn't have continued working and you wouldn't have a record full of bankruptcies and evictions and legal judgements against. Just the same as if EvenBob had some magical winning system, he wouldn't have been driving a cab and managed or owned a bar. And Mdawg wouldn't be chasing down people that had been involved in car accidents.

The stories you guys tell fall apart on so many levels but none more so that that.

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Kew, you're far removed from reality, probably due to you being in constant damage control mode. People who've had success in their chosen career jobs which pay for their retirement, never suddenly quit just because their spouse finds an advantage play that was eventually worth over several million dollars. Thats how much of a non-productive low life you really are. You think that amount of money trumps the value of keeping a good job. Understandable though, for someone who rambles around in tunnels and plays low-level bj and vp.

So, not solely due to your being a known and proven fraud and liar who gets so frustrated that you can't help yourself from repeating the same lies over and over again....I'll simply smirk.