That is a misrepresentation, and that's being kind. I stood, but I crouched to the eye level of a seated person. I didn't take a seat because sitting at a closed table might get me tossed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
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That is a misrepresentation, and that's being kind. I stood, but I crouched to the eye level of a seated person. I didn't take a seat because sitting at a closed table might get me tossed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Robocchio and Alan are to chickenshit to accept your offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Now I find it really strange that I didn't have a dog in the hunt, but I actually have done the checking and measuring in Las Vegas, and others have not. Mr. Mendelson, who originally tried to debunk the concept, has not done any research since then, has not measured distances, and has not consulted optometrists with the results. Or perhaps he has, and simply hasn't said, "Yeah, you can see the cards if nobody is there. I was wrong about that. But the full tables make it impossible."
I don't know what it or is not possible in terms of effectively counting at live tables. I do not even play blackjack. But I wanted to know if it was possible to see cards at other tables from the required distances, and it is. Not from every table, but from most. And with some distances, the farthest seat becomes a "pips versus paint" identification, not a precise card identification. I thought there would be a clear correlation between the presumed poshness of a casino/hotel and the distances between tables. In other words, I thought the dives would have the shortest distances between tables, but that was not as consistent as one would think.
There is probably a reason I was the only person to post the distances in inches. Other people have agendas on this topic. I don't. In fact, I'll have my handy dandy tape measure with me in two weeks. I will post more results. My eyes are bad. If I can identify cards at other tables, anybody can. Since I'll be there during post-rodeo, when it's really dead, I should have optimal opportunities to measure and eyeball cards at other tables.
Good. So how many hands did you crouch through while simulating that you were also playing at your own table, and how many cards did you see/miss?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzThat is a misrepresentation, and that's being kind. I stood, but I crouched to the eye level of a seated person. I didn't take a seat because sitting at a closed table might get me tossed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
There is no question you can see cards and count cards at two tables with an unobstructed view and if the dealers are dealing at the opportune times.
Just do it... or try it... under real conditions. I'll meet anyone under real conditions to track their success counting two tables.
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Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonGood. So how many hands did you crouch through while simulating that you were also playing at your own table, and how many cards did you see/miss?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzThat is a misrepresentation, and that's being kind. I stood, but I crouched to the eye level of a seated person. I didn't take a seat because sitting at a closed table might get me tossed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
There is no question you can see cards and count cards at two tables with an unobstructed view and if the dealers are dealing at the opportune times.
Just do it... or try it... under real conditions. I'll meet anyone under real conditions to track their success counting two tables.
So you agree that Rob is completely wrong to say one cannot identify cards on the adjacent tables? And that he is completely wrong to say that I could not identify cards on adjacent tables?
I didn't really create this thread to rehash the whole tracking two tables or even rehash the unseen cards opinions of those on this forum.
To his credit, Alan admits that he doesn't play blackjack and it is obvious doesn't know about these topics. Doesn't stop him from stating his opinion though, just as if he did have some expertise in this area. :rolleyes:
Now Singer...he tries to portray himself as an expert in areas such as this that his comments make it crystal clear he too....has no clue. I mean comments about why AP's don't use their real names? Really? :confused: I think anyone, with even half a brain recognizes why legitimate AP's don't use their real names. The very industry that we play against, wants to stop us. AND an entire new industry, consisting of database networks has sprung up to help them do so. Blackjack AP's have been dealing with this for years, but recently the casino industry's paranoia has spread to machine players as well. Further comments by Singer regarding blackjack AP play and how it is no longer possible, more than prove his ignorance on the subject matter. BUT, just like Alan, it doesn't stop him from stating his obviously wrong conclusions. :(
Singer is just not knowledgeable about most topic that he talks about. That is all there is to it. He is an internet troll. Nothing more nothing less. Y'all know my quote: "it doesn't take that much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking". Singer continues to make that an easy call. ;)
The bottom line is that two experts, real experts on the subject matter have weighed in on the unseen card topic and several weighted in on tracking multiple tables. These are known blackjack expert players. And that is not good enough for these clowns that will stop at nothing to discredit. NOTHING will ever be good enough for these anti-AP people who admit and prove their ignorance on the subject matter.
Redietz of course you can identify cards on adjacent tables. Just do it under normal play with dealers dealing and players in seats.
Kewlj stop with your anti AP hysteria. We got it.
And redietz even kewlj has posted here that he doesn't see all the cards at the second table which was the Genesis for this entire discussion about what impact that has.
I accept what Kewlj said. Not seeing all the cards has some negative impact. Those aren't his words, they're mine. I think that ends the discussion. No need to tape measure redietz or mickeycrimm because this was never about vision; it was about actual play conditions.
Are we done now? Or does Boz want one more insult added?
This thread has motivated me. I'm going to try it. I don't know why I never thought of it before now. I have a couple of buddies at various ages and eye sights. I was at Pmill tonight and those tables are very close together.
There was no gotcha. Kewlj agreed with what I've been asking all along. He admits he can't see every card and concedes that lowers his potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcap
The only thing left to argue is the argument and that's what you're doing. I'm just waiting to see what MaxPen and Boz and Keystone will come up with and how Dan will ignore their trolling unlike what he did to Blackhole.
Alan, Alan, Alan. Do you realize how many posts have been made regarding this matter? The only way anyone will know is to go see for themselves. I'm going to try. But I stood at one empty table and could not read the bold black letters on the next table tonight. But I will try and I will have others try, just so I can once and for all get this topic out of my head. EVERYONE - EVERYWHERE PLEASE GO TRY IT. GEEZOUS!
Then we take a poll on the who could and who couldn't. Simple no?
I've been saying that all along Moses. Only redietz said he tried but he admits he crouched behind a table to simulate sitting at a table.
Be sure you sit in the MIDDLE seat so you don't have to twist your head like Linda Blair in The Exorcist.
https://youtu.be/bSxuXQCEC7M
I'm not actually going to play and try it. I will go to the places where I've already been 86ed and stand between two tables, a couple steps back so my eyes can shift side to side - table to table - without my head turning. I had great peripheral vision in basketball. It sounds pretty ridiculous to me, but I'll do it. I'll send my buddies into my honey pots as it's bound to look suspicious. Can you imagine all the work I've done on single deck straight up blackjack only to get banned for fucking around shoes with a table full of ploppies? LOL Shrewd!
Unfortunately your experiment doesn't match kewlj's criteria. He sits in the middle seat so as to minimize the head turn. Standing between two tables is not even close.
Let us know how many players you have to see through with xray vision and be sure the dealers are alternating deals so you don't hold up your game while you spy on the adjoining table. After all, you don't want to be obvious that you're counting two tables. LOL
It's been gone over again and again and yet you are still stuck on stupid. How many times has KJ said he only does it when conditions permit? You're clutching at straws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Mickeycrimm you're just trying to stir up trouble. Yes, yes, yes. When conditions permit. But even then you have to have the dealers alternate and you can't be caught looking. Please Mickey, go back to your keno games.
Okay, I will stand behind one table and look to the other table. My head will turn. But I'm not putting myself at risk by sitting/playing at one table in the middle and trying to see the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Mick. Let me tell you a quick story. I was playing blackjack last night. About 10 minutes into the new shift the dealer was replaced. I was suspicious because that casino works on 40 minute rotations. My style is get in, get paid, get out. Unfortunately, it's not always that easy. So my play is so controlled and boring it would put anyone to sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
But I think this guy beat me at my own game. He spoke broken English and wouldn't shut up. But he wouldn't deal until he finished his damn, boring assed, God awful story...and then go right into the next one.
For instance, I had 6,2 vs 10. Obviously, I swipe "twice" to get a 10 because he is more interested in yakking than dealing. About 45 seconds to a minute later he turned his card over to get 20. The helluva it is, he was giving me everything I wanted in terms of pen etc. But the game was in slow motion. Finally, after 6 decks took nearly 30 minutes to play, I was up a quarter and thought, to hell with this, I don't care if I make $500, I can't listen any longer. The first time in my career I've been bored away from a table.
So, maybe KJ can do it. Maybe he can't. Not my Circus. Not my Monkey. Even if I can/could do it? This risk and reward probably is not worth the effort for me.
BTW, next time I go up against this dealer? I play with one other person. Let the other person go off his nut and complain to the pit boss. I will play just as slow as the dealer. Pit jumps his ass. I look like the good guy. Like I say "game of people played with cards."
Standing or crouching BEHIND the table doesn't accurately represent what kewlj does. Try to find an empty table next to a table in use. Sit at the center seat if only for a couple of hands. Report back.Quote:
Originally Posted by MosesOkay, I will stand behind one table and look to the other table. My head will turn. But I'm not putting myself at risk by sitting/playing at one table in the middle and trying to see the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Please listen to the words carefully ... they get better as the song goes on. Picture Kewlj in a little skirt with a pointed hat and spinning in circles singing along waving a magic wand.
I suspect I'll get banned from this thread if Dan doesn't agree with my comedy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61HW8uxzEZs
I look all around all the time. Never had a problem with that. What's with your "you can't look around" bullshit? Please, Alan, go back to your craps habit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Blackho, why do you think you get banned out of threads? Could it be it's because you are an idiot troll? That's my guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
No, I don’t think that’s it. It’s Dan's house and he gets to control the direction he wants to see the forum go.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You’re confusing my posts that I consider my personal opinions backed by facts as trolling. Degenerate gamblers are always in denial and if they have the power will remove your opposing opinions that are open for debate to eliminate having to deal with denials of the facts.
Main Stream media comes to mind with how they deal with Trump in fear of him draining the swamp. If CNN don’t invite opposing arguments for debate from the other side, then you have the CNN you could view today. No need for denial of facts. Only how they can construe the facts to fit their narrative is what matters. So, what could be easier than eliminating opposing facts from the get go?
Imagine our government being straight up? The odds of that are about as good as a gambling forum loaded with alleged self-proclaimed anoyomus AP’s withdrawing millions from casino games complete with medical benefits and a healthy safe and secure retirement being straight up.
Good stuff Blackhole. You got me to thinking. But isn't denial a river in Africa? :cool:
So yeah, YOU T3 crossed the line long ago. As for the owner of that site and his recent behavior, I was asked not to comment on, and so I won't.
KJ writes:
Moses replies: KJ, who would ask you not to comment and why would you oblige? Is there some kind of blackjack forum hell where we all sent for hurting Sir Normcelots feelings? Okay, I will see there Norm.
Bosox and KJ: All you need to do is ask T3/Dummy one question. What are the tag values assigned to each card? Consider T3 and Flash to be one in the same. T3 has stated a few times that Flash was his mentor. Flash would post hundreds of different tag values he took from Peter Griffins book for each specific play. That would be like me assigning 53 different side counts to a 52 card deck. IT'S BULLSHIT. If T3 says he can perform two different counts and an Ace side count over the course of 312 cards and be perfectly accurate? He is lying. I've tried it over 52 cards. Holy mindfuck, Batman.
What the fuck are you talking about? Did Redditz pick you up in his spacecraft?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moses
Lmao...funny shit, was thinking the exact same thingQuote:
Originally Posted by blackholeWhat the fuck are you talking about? Did Redditz pick you up in his spacecraft?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moses
Primarily a spin off what you said. Imagine our government being straight up? Consumers are fed so much bullshit that it becomes not only believable, but a way of thinking to society. Same thing in a blackjack forum. We have rulers (not Dan) that want to control speech who support utter bullshit. Then they want to put their head in the sand when it gets too hot and try to make it all go away. Maybe I should've posted in another thread. But you got me to thinking and since this thread is 334 posts of complete utter bullshit anyway? I figured why not post it here.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
I just woke up laughing and now I know why :). Dan will not ban blackhole from this thread.
Synopsis: the purpose kew brought up the mythical concept of counting an adjacent table DURING PLAY as something "positive" was simple--he wants and actually NEEDS attention. And with his subsequent flurry of adjustments to the quickly declining value of the claim, how much more obvious can he make it that he's in fear of his perceived anonymous internet existence and relevance being at risk?
The whole thing is stupid. redietz takes a tape measure out of his spacecraft toolbox and does everything but sit at a table--which is the only true and meaningful way to approach this. For my part, I consulted with a casino authority at a location that is known for having closer than normal tables. And Alan went a step further than anyone---probably even including the very suspect claimant. And that same claimant has continually been afraid to meet with Alan at a casino to prove his claim! Simple to do....but he reacts as any phony who just told another whopper would.
And kew....stop spewing your BS about why AP's use fake names. You claim it's to keep casinos from identifying them? You actually believe casinos send scouts to these blabby dabby do forums to get concrete identity knowledge and info from a bunch of armchair theorists? You really think casinos don't already know who's sitting at their tables? You've really inundated yourself with every gambling fantasy you can create. Try again, and at the same time try not to be the dumbest guy in the room. Listen up dumbo (and this is not a choice....you can't make another mistake with this one): AP Posters Use Fake Names For The Sole Purpose Of Being Able To Make Any Claim They Wish While Having The Smallest Chance Possible Of Being Exposed, thereby being able to perpetuate their hoax. And YOU are the poster boy for that.
Good points Rob.
I never really thought much about it. I just know the less shit I have my head when I'm playing, the better. At BJTF, the only site I'd ever known, that's what everybody did/does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Well no, At least not the way you put it. lol My game or long run is only as good as the weakest guy in the pit. In other words, some guy gets twitchy in the pit and BAM I get a lifetime ban. So it's best to "be nice and play nice" and not try to push anyone's hot button. But it's human nature for people to care about their job and talk about it outside of work. Ever been to a corporate Christmas party? Holy shit, stab me in the eye with a fork...it feels sooo much better than listening to them go on and on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
If I were a pit boss, I'd read the forums. My worry has always been some of these guys are so damn twitchy they actually believe some of this shit. They get pissed and the next guy that comes in, with any game at all? WHAM, he gets 86ed. Trust me Rob. Some horrible counters have been banned.
I just assume they know. For instance, the group where you have friends are the top notch cream of the crop. Many have come from other casinos. Better pay and benefits I guess. They have a job to do and that needs to be respected first and foremost. Otherwise, ones ass is toast and they are hot butter. But I don't think they want every player to lose. In fact, I think it's good for business when some actually win consistently without hammering the house. Take away the dream and you take away the player. No? If you happen to think about it, ask your friend about it sometime. I'd be interested in his opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
In pitch games, you could put the count on a tote board behind the table and it would increase casino profits. Why? 1.) HiLO in pitch does about as much damage as shooting a bear with a 22 rifle. Hence, it's just enough to piss off the bear. 2.) People don't know how to handle money. I can't tell you how many times I've witnessed a guy come up to the table with a $500 buy in, win 5 out of 8 hands, and leave the table broke screaming "this place is fucking me."
I know for a fact that casinos and casino personnel participate on some AP related forums. At BJ21, Sandford Wong disclosed that among the paid subscriptions were members that worked for the casinos. At WoV, Zcore is open about the fact that he is a casino employee and I would bet a lot of money that there are others that haven't disclosed it, both that participate regularly and just lurk. Now on a smaller site such as this??...I have no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Furthermore, I know for a fact from inside sources, who I will not disclose, nor offer anything further of, that OSN (Oregon Surveillance Network), who is probably the top database organization in Las Vegas against advantage players, employs social media 'experts' that search different social media platforms linking up bits of information with actual names and pictures. Frankly....THAT is their job.
You would know all this Singer, if you were a legitimate AP or player that REALLY is capable of beating the casinos. But you are not. You are simply an internet troll, trolling AP's and spewing your hate and ridiculous fantasies of how you won a million dollars using progressions and stop limits...which can't be done. It's just nonsense. And you are no threat to casinos and that is why you have no clue to how any of this works.
How about you just stick to what little you DO know about? tell us more about living in a vehicle in someone else's driveway, running extension cords to steal electricity and internet. That is good stuff! Technically, would even qualify as a very low level advantage play. LOL.
https://goo.gl/images/hmyXbP Happens all the time!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Hold on a second. I'm going to say something about why you should not post using your real name.
Several years ago a casino dropped me from all mailers because I mentioned playing on my son's card to earn him points. While the casino never caught me in the act (and there was never any proof I actually did it) they would not send me any more offers including free play. My host also protested on my behalf.
I never returned to that casino. It was their loss, not mine. Because I never had a yearly profit there.
I did mention the casino when this first happened but I don't want to mention the casino now.
First of all, thank you for exposing yourself as just another confidence-lacking liar again by claiming you blocked me! All you do is keep confirming how very important it is for you to keep your self-perceived internet charade in one piece....at all costs. You JUST CAN'T RESIST SEEING WHAT'S BEING SAID ABOUT YOU, which means you never sleep well. You expose how you have no real life outside this game you play on the forums. You're the exact type of disgustingly weak and pathetic person this world has no use for.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI know for a fact that casinos and casino personnel participate on some AP related forums. At BJ21, Sandford Wong disclosed that among the paid subscriptions were members that worked for the casinos. At WoV, Zcore is open about the fact that he is a casino employee and I would bet a lot of money that there are others that haven't disclosed it, both that participate regularly and just lurk. Now on a smaller site such as this??...I have no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Furthermore, I know for a fact from inside sources, who I will not disclose, nor offer anything further of, that OSN (Oregon Surveillance Network), who is probably the top database organization in Las Vegas against advantage players, employs social media 'experts' that search different social media platforms linking up bits of information with actual names and pictures. Frankly....THAT is their job.
You would know all this Singer, if you were a legitimate AP or player that REALLY is capable of beating the casinos. But you are not. You are simply an internet troll, trolling AP's and spewing your hate and ridiculous fantasies of how you won a million dollars using progressions and stop limits...which can't be done. It's just nonsense. And you are no threat to casinos and that is why you have no clue to how any of this works.
How about you just stick to what little you DO know about? tell us more about living in a vehicle in someone else's driveway, running extension cords to steal electricity and internet. That is good stuff! Technically, would even qualify as a very low level advantage play. LOL.
And again you pop up another known self-proclaimed ap for what he's said and has never proven. "Stanford Wong says blah blah blah"....and you believe it instantly because you're so gullibly biased. Did he provide names so his claim could be confirmed? And who the hell cares what Zcore says about what he allegedly does....has anyone confirmed HIS story? No, because idiot puppets like yourself want and need all this nonsense to be true, just so you can feel good about your easily seen-thru internet forum hoax.
Wise up....and again, thank you.
Could be that one of your WoV haters made a call. I know this happens because it's happened to me twice here, although not in the same context you mentioned. For me however it doesn't matter a bit. All it takes is enough money to make this stuff irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Actually Rob there are several SoCal casinos who USED TO monitor this forum and my website constantly. If you recall, 24 hours after I criticized Rincon for cutting it's VP paytables the casino was bombarded with complaints from customers and Rincon changed back the paytables. Don't tell kewlj that people actually read my website and forum back then because he won't believe it.
Today? I'm sure outside of the eight members of the AP mafia who criticize you and me for talking about reality no one else seriously reads these messages. Everyone else comes here via keyword searches and promptly leaves when they only see garbage posts.
There is only one place where you will find two tables with shoes side by side...and that's only on weekends As Rob said, Pmill tables are closest together. If I stand behind one table I can see and count the cards at the other table. But what a pain in the ass. People tucking cards. Double down goes card down and they don't turn it up. Some fuckhead waiting forever in deciding whether to hit or stand. Then you have to revert quickly back to the table your standing at. It's like watching a tennis match at full speed motion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
If I sit in the middle chair, I'm constantly looking to my left. IF I sit on the end then I can't see at all. IF some fat ass sits down on the end I can only spot 2 or 3 hands from the middle chair. Now Wong is wrong if the table is empty. Most shoe dealers look lonely or as if they just took Sing Sing picks last weekend. lol But how in the blue fuck am I going to stand there counting down and not be noticed? There is sooo much dicking around. Cocktail waitress constantly asking for drinks, Changing in and out. Who the hell has time to play cards? It's like watching a basketball game because you enjoy the commercials. Going back to my post #337 I'd rather spend an entire day with Harry Lipservice than an hour doing this shoe +2 Wong thing.
In a week, I'd be one of those guys downtown rubbing poop in my hair and wearing my underwear outside my pants. No thank you.
Good grief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Why didn't you tell the casino that:
1) "Hey, that wasn't me, it must have been another alan mendelson;"
or
2) "I was just fibbing, I do it all the time just to fuck with people; hell, I've publicly admitted I lie all the time."
It appears if you share the same opinion that Dan has, it’s safe to post and troll anyone you want. Alan was completely on topic sharing information that actually backed anonymous AP’s beliefs when it comes to forums only to immediately be trolled by the atheist alleged lawyer.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVGood grief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Why didn't you tell the casino that:
1) "Hey, that wasn't me, it must have been another alan mendelson;"
or
2) "I was just fibbing, I do it all the time just to fuck with people; hell, I've publicly admitted I lie all the time."
If Dan posted the same thing Alan just did would the atheist alleged lawyer have posted the same type trolling post? So, where’s the trolling cop Dan now?
I know it’s your place Dan and just like us you could take any side you want on any argument. But, don’t you think you should at least behave like an adult and be consistent and fair.
I could pull up hundreds of trolling posts attacking Alan from MaxPen, Bozo, Redditz, and the rest of the AP gang from the past. Apparently, it appears that recently you decided to take an interest in the forum. I have no problem adhering to the new enforcement. But, shouldn’t the hammer come down equally on everyone?
Besides, from a business point of view, Alan is the number one reason for 75% of your traffic.
You aren't getting banned from forums because of an opposing opinion, blackho. That's bullshit on your phony part. You are getting banned because you are fucking with people, calling them names, for no reason. Look forward to more of the same, dumass. You are the most worthless moron that has ever joined this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeNo, I don’t think that’s it. It’s Dan's house and he gets to control the direction he wants to see the forum go.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You’re confusing my posts that I consider my personal opinions backed by facts as trolling. Degenerate gamblers are always in denial and if they have the power will remove your opposing opinions that are open for debate to eliminate having to deal with denials of the facts.
Main Stream media comes to mind with how they deal with Trump in fear of him draining the swamp. If CNN don’t invite opposing arguments for debate from the other side, then you have the CNN you could view today. No need for denial of facts. Only how they can construe the facts to fit their narrative is what matters. So, what could be easier than eliminating opposing facts from the get go?
Imagine our government being straight up? The odds of that are about as good as a gambling forum loaded with alleged self-proclaimed anoyomus AP’s withdrawing millions from casino games complete with medical benefits and a healthy safe and secure retirement being straight up.
Dan Druff has made it clear that Trolling Only will not be tolerated.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmYou aren't getting banned from forums because of an opposing opinion, blackho. That's bullshit on your phony part. You are getting banned because you are fucking with people, calling them names, for no reason. Look forward to more of the same, dumass. You are the most worthless moron that has ever joined this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeNo, I don’t think that’s it. It’s Dan's house and he gets to control the direction he wants to see the forum go.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You’re confusing my posts that I consider my personal opinions backed by facts as trolling. Degenerate gamblers are always in denial and if they have the power will remove your opposing opinions that are open for debate to eliminate having to deal with denials of the facts.
Main Stream media comes to mind with how they deal with Trump in fear of him draining the swamp. If CNN don’t invite opposing arguments for debate from the other side, then you have the CNN you could view today. No need for denial of facts. Only how they can construe the facts to fit their narrative is what matters. So, what could be easier than eliminating opposing facts from the get go?
Imagine our government being straight up? The odds of that are about as good as a gambling forum loaded with alleged self-proclaimed anoyomus AP’s withdrawing millions from casino games complete with medical benefits and a healthy safe and secure retirement being straight up.
Many of the members who Troll have also shared valuable information.
However, anyone who Trolls a Thread Only and nothing else gets deleted and or banned from the thread.
The Forum is the most relaxed as far as leniency and tolerance goes.
Not sure what anyone can gripe about, myself included.
Let’s analyze Mickeys post above.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmYou aren't getting banned from forums because of an opposing opinion, blackho. That's bullshit on your phony part. You are getting banned because you are fucking with people, calling them names, for no reason. Look forward to more of the same, dumass. You are the most worthless moron that has ever joined this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeNo, I don’t think that’s it. It’s Dan's house and he gets to control the direction he wants to see the forum go.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You’re confusing my posts that I consider my personal opinions backed by facts as trolling. Degenerate gamblers are always in denial and if they have the power will remove your opposing opinions that are open for debate to eliminate having to deal with denials of the facts.
Main Stream media comes to mind with how they deal with Trump in fear of him draining the swamp. If CNN don’t invite opposing arguments for debate from the other side, then you have the CNN you could view today. No need for denial of facts. Only how they can construe the facts to fit their narrative is what matters. So, what could be easier than eliminating opposing facts from the get go?
Imagine our government being straight up? The odds of that are about as good as a gambling forum loaded with alleged self-proclaimed anoyomus AP’s withdrawing millions from casino games complete with medical benefits and a healthy safe and secure retirement being straight up.
This post is coming from the biggest troll on this site. He’s used every curse word on the planet while communicating with anyone that don’t agree with him. In his own signature he’s calling Rob a fraud.
He called me dumass, worthless moron, and warned me to expect more of the same in the future in the same post he’s claiming I’m calling people names. Suspecting someone might be a degenerate gambler on a gambling forum is well within the boundaries.
I know Mickey, and Kewlj are looking for a forum where they could make endless alleged claims without residence, and I suspect this is the only place they have left hoping to filter out any doubters. They just might succeed here with not many participants.
Mickey always claims his trolling is in defense of being trolled first. Calling his AP plays two-bit are nothing more than suggesting there similar to bringing a leaf bag full of deposit bottles for a cash in.
When banning someone from a thread because you don’t agree with that persons legitimate objective opinions while using the disguise of trolling or some lame excuse like “not needing arguments from other forums brought to this one” which I still have no idea what that meant, is nothing more than a bias reaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Just like your clever response above trying to back up the recent actions. So, what you're saying is I could tell everyone where a good +ev play is and follow up with Monet could suck my cock in the same post would be OK?
Kew take note: the above from a real bj player describing how the reality of counting two tables simultaneously while playing at one, is nothing at all like the theory. And this....at a casino with the closest tables in the business. Let's see redietz dare take his Lost In Space tape measure here.Quote:
Originally Posted by MosesThere is only one place where you will find two tables with shoes side by side...and that's only on weekends As Rob said, Pmill tables are closest together. If I stand behind one table I can see and count the cards at the other table. But what a pain in the ass. People tucking cards. Double down goes card down and they don't turn it up. Some fuckhead waiting forever in deciding whether to hit or stand. Then you have to revert quickly back to the table your standing at. It's like watching a tennis match at full speed motion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
If I sit in the middle chair, I'm constantly looking to my left. IF I sit on the end then I can't see at all. IF some fat ass sits down on the end I can only spot 2 or 3 hands from the middle chair. Now Wong is wrong if the table is empty. Most shoe dealers look lonely or as if they just took Sing Sing picks last weekend. lol But how in the blue fuck am I going to stand there counting down and not be noticed? There is sooo much dicking around. Cocktail waitress constantly asking for drinks, Changing in and out. Who the hell has time to play cards? It's like watching a basketball game because you enjoy the commercials. Going back to my post #337 I'd rather spend an entire day with Harry Lipservice than an hour doing this shoe +2 Wong thing.
In a week, I'd be one of those guys downtown rubbing poop in my hair and wearing my underwear outside my pants. No thank you.
So kew....how about you come clean on this issue instead of constantly reducing the validity of the claim as it suffers such irreparable damage in the face of so much simple common sense? I don't even play bj, but it's very obvious how it's not even close to possible, feasible, or sensible to pass such a theory off as being anywhere near real. Ever notice how whenever you try to push the theory that you avoid all details of the obstacles? Even your latest weak try that "when conditions permit" is as phony as you are.
The gig's up, chump.
I'll correct "Rob" one more time, for "Rob's" benefit. I'll say it again, I do not know if kewlJ is a short order cook, a blackjack professional, or Heidi Fleiss's assistant. I do not play blackjack. All I know is that it is visually not terribly difficult to identify cards at adjacent tables. The distances, the majority of the time, do not pose a problem.
This was the argument Mr. Mendelson made in his blurry photo original posts. It is also the claim "Rob Singer" made when inventing his story about speaking with a "casino exec" at empty tables and not being able to see the cards. "Rob" appears to have been lying. If Rob wants to provide the "casino exec's" name and number, I will be glad to call him and meet with him at the Peppermill to verify "Rob's" story.
Rob; My contention is there a far easier ways to make money in a casino. For instance, you're a slot player. Forgive me if I used the wrong terminology. I don't know much about it. But it appears, in this endeavor, you don't have to fuck with a lot of people around you which is good. I tried to picture myself losing $29K in a week in that style of blackjack yesterday and also winning $1 million over the course of 15 years. I'd be a miserable SOB 90% of the time. There is no fun in it. I enjoy the competition. But it's within myself and waiting for the game to come to me.
It seems blackjack rulers invented all these terms, EV, CE, DI, (IV lol). It comes down to one term and that's money. IF I feel the need to accumulate, accelerate, intensify, or solidify EV? I will simply bet $1k more per game which I should be doing anyway. I play higher stake tables when I can but it makes them nervous as hell when I ask them to raise the table limit to $100. Get banned and my "EV" takes a big dump. lol
It amazes me how all these red chippers jump on a plane or drive 4 hours to play at a full table and let casino conditions (whatever they may be) dictate their game. Play maybe 50 days a year and yet have no time to work on or improve their game. Still manage to make $10K or so per year. What a bunch of crap! Their idea of game improvement is to go on some blackjack site talk about the magic of HILO and beat off.
The term Pro is a self professed name they give to themselves. I don't know if I'm a pro or not...and I don't care. All I know is I have to make money. There is no fallback. The difference is they go on vacation to play blackjack. I play blackjack to go on vacation. But I also work my ass off to improve my game. Very few holes in it.
Ok, so Moses shares your (Singer) opinion that tracking multiple tables would be difficult or near impossible and immediately you dub Moses "a real bj player", while dismissing many known successful (some for decades) professional and experienced players that state that they too track a second table when conditions are right to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
This list includes:
Schlesinger, renowned blackjack expert, author and player for more than 40 years and a member of the Blackjack hall of Fame.
Munchkin, blackjack expert, player of 30 years, now a professional player, playing with probably the best table game AP alive today and also a member of the BJHF.
Tommy Hyland, 45 year professional player and manager of one of the most successful, if not THE most successful blackjack teams in the world. Much more successful than MIT teams combined. Tommy is also a member of the BJHOF.
Blackjack community member that goes by handle of "bigplayer". Bigplayer s a professional player, has been a member of Hylands team for decades and is also a BJHOF member.
21forme, Longterm professional BJ player known throughout the blackjack community.
And of course myself. That puts me in some pretty successful company. ;) But that is not what this is about. I didn't even know that all these successful known players also tracked multiple tables when I started doing so. I learned after the discussions here. Munchkin I sort of did know. I remember him mentioning it quite some time ago. Did that influence me? Maybe. Probably. Munchkin like other on this list and others not on this list have had quite an influence on my career.
So now Singer will say something retarded like none of these people have proven anything, which is completely untrue. BJHOF members are strongly vetted and have proven beyond any doubt (except by those who refuse to believe anything...conspiracy guys like Singer)their credentials and success. And most of these are BJHOF players.
So moses doesn't believe tracking a second table is possible and aligns himself with Singer. That is fine. Not trying to discredit moses, but he IS THE ANOMOLY here. Moses has access to, plays maybe even specializes in single deck blackjack in Reno. Tracking a second table is NOT a single deck game technique. It is a multi-deck game technique designed to get out of some of the negative counts and replace them with more favorable counts and situations. With single deck, you just play through a round or two negative counts and you will have a new shuffle. No need to track a second game and go table hopping.
I understand the nuances Moses. It's not hard when it's explained in clear terms. Maybe that's where kew gets it wrong--he tries too hard to paint his picture while tooting his own horn all the time. How else could any sane person describe his penchant for sprinkling in so many "personalized stories" of his supposed private life while at the same time being anonymous?
Now Singer, I am going to say this one final time, because everyone, including those that support you knows it. YOU are a fucking joke. On this site and throughout the gambling community. Everyone and I mean EVERYONE knows you area joke and nothing but a troll. Not a single member of the gambling community with even an ounce of mathematical knowledge believes a single word you say. You are a troll, nothing more.
And yeah, there area few other anti-AP guys here that have bonded together supporting one another. Different guys that have anti-AP views for whatever reason. If these people were honest, they don't believe you either. BUT, there is that "enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing going on so various people support and enable your trolling and hate agenda. That is all this is. A pathetic old man, maybe successful in life in private business world....maybe not. Who F-ing knows. But what everyone does know is that this bitter old man, lives out his retirement in a RV in his kids driveway, mooching electricity and internet.
I don't know maybe that is a reason to be as bitter and angry as you are. That and the fact that you have lost significant money gambling, because you area gambling addict. So you refuse to take responsibility for your own actions and situation, make up some alternative reality and alternative math bullshit and hatefully attack anyone who is smart and disciplined enough to make any money from the casino industry. And you have found someone in the goofy Dan Druff that continues to provide a platform for this sick agenda. And THAT is all that is going on here.
Singer has posted how much he ENJOYS it when guys like you respond to his trolls.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
He'll keep throwing his line in the pond so long as the fish keep biting.
You must be a wet-dream-come-true to the marketing efforts of Wong.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJOk, so Moses shares your (Singer) opinion that tracking multiple tables would be difficult or near impossible and immediately you dub Moses "a real bj player", while dismissing many known successful (some for decades) professional and experienced players that state that they too track a second table when conditions are right to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
This list includes:
Schlesinger, renowned blackjack expert, author and player for more than 40 years and a member of the Blackjack hall of Fame.
Munchkin, blackjack expert, player of 30 years, now a professional player, playing with probably the best table game AP alive today and also a member of the BJHF.
Tommy Hyland, 45 year professional player and manager of one of the most successful, if not THE most successful blackjack teams in the world. Much more successful than MIT teams combined. Tommy is also a member of the BJHOF.
Blackjack community member that goes by handle of "bigplayer". Bigplayer s a professional player, has been a member of Hylands team for decades and is also a BJHOF member.
21forme, Longterm professional BJ player known throughout the blackjack community.
And of course myself. That puts me in some pretty successful company. ;) But that is not what this is about. I didn't even know that all these successful known players also tracked multiple tables when I started doing so. I learned after the discussions here. Munchkin I sort of did know. I remember him mentioning it quite some time ago. Did that influence me? Maybe. Probably. Munchkin like other on this list and others not on this list have had quite an influence on my career.
So now Singer will say something retarded like none of these people have proven anything, which is completely untrue. BJHOF members are strongly vetted and have proven beyond any doubt (except by those who refuse to believe anything...conspiracy guys like Singer)their credentials and success. And most of these are BJHOF players.
So moses doesn't believe tracking a second table is possible and aligns himself with Singer. That is fine. Not trying to discredit moses, but he IS THE ANOMOLY here. Moses has access to, plays maybe even specializes in single deck blackjack in Reno. Tracking a second table is NOT a single deck game technique. It is a multi-deck game technique designed to get out of some of the negative counts and replace them with more favorable counts and situations. With single deck, you just play through a round or two negative counts and you will have a new shuffle. No need to track a second game and go table hopping.
So now you're touting "BJHOF" as some reliable source? That's like assuming being in the VPFREE HoF actually means something :)
The gaping holes in your claims come from the fact that you NEVER describe any details of the two-table feat beyond the starting point, you always fail to respond to ANY presentation of facts to the contrary, and you chickened out of doing the end-all in this: proving you can do it with Alan present. All you resort to is whining, evoking other's anonymous names, and telling lie after lie after lie....especially about leaving the forum or blocking people who disagree with you.
So man up and put some mustard on that hot dog.
Hey he's gotta eat somehow. All he has is that pond to fish and occasional road kill to fry up when his house runs over some critter. It's a shame he is ineligible for food stamps since he was caught in that welfare fraud deal. What a stupid fuck he is. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
I just report what I saw. In order to Wong in or play two tables your game depends on the idiosyncrasy of so many other players. I wanted to whop a pop not on a couple of heads. It's 13 vs 10 for crissake, HIT. Why are you sitting there? O shit, 3 players tucked, what's happening on the other table. Why did that asshole tuck a 14? O shit, they picked up the cards at the other table and I didn't see the tucked cards. Where they 7,8,9s which aren't counted or 10,A which are counted? I don't need to be in the HOF to know my mind feels like spaghetti.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
If I'm on the end, I cannot see the other table. If I'm in the middle, my head is constantly turning back and forth. If I'm standing behind watching two tables, my head is going side to side and the pit is watching me after about two minutes. Like WTF are you doing? A large person sits down to play and half the table goes blank. O crap I've totally lost count on both tables. Waitress is serving drinks YIPPEE. Let's wait another 5 minutes for the next shoe to begin. What a helluva way to have to make a living!
Why would I prove anything to Alan....a broken down has been journalist turned shyster/conman? Is proving anything to Alan going to pay my bills? I prove it almost on a daily basis, making money to support myself comfortably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
AND, the people I mentioned that have stated they also track multiple tables are not anonymous. Several use their real names. And those that don't are well known throughout the BJ community.
What a stupid fuck you continue to be. Seriously are you retarded? :confused:
No he just did exactly what V said above. He fucked with you, you continue to fall for it, and he gets off on it.
All you've ever proven is how insecure you are about everything, and what a degenerate gambler you are. Remember, no true "AP" would ever float around on internet gaming forums talking all the silly smack you do. You have no brains kew. You're one of the fools here who either says they go to casinos almost every day, or wishes they were in casinos all the time. mickey does that also. Think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJWhy would I prove anything to Alan....a broken down has been journalist turned shyster/conman? Is proving anything to Alan going to pay my bills? I prove it almost on a daily basis, making money to support myself comfortably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerYou must be a wet-dream-come-true to the marketing efforts of Wong.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
So now you're touting "BJHOF" as some reliable source? That's like assuming being in the VPFREE HoF actually means something :)
The gaping holes in your claims come from the fact that you NEVER describe any details of the two-table feat beyond the starting point, you always fail to respond to ANY presentation of facts to the contrary, and you chickened out of doing the end-all in this: proving you can do it with Alan present. All you resort to is whining, evoking other's anonymous names, and telling lie after lie after lie....especially about leaving the forum or blocking people who disagree with you.
So man up and put some mustard on that hot dog.
AND, the people I mentioned that have stated they also track multiple tables are not anonymous. Several use their real names. And those that don't are well known throughout the BJ community.
What a stupid fuck you continue to be. Seriously are you retarded? :confused:
Now THERE'S a post.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
The weaker they are, the more disgusting they are, and the more I'll come after them. Especially a total phony like kew.
Yep that's right. here is another difference in the single deck game that moses plays and the shoe games that I am 99% of the world plays. WE get to see all the cards face up. Ya think that might help in tracking a second table? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by MosesI just report what I saw. In order to Wong in or play two tables your game depends on the idiosyncrasy of so many other players. I wanted to whop a pop not on a couple of heads. It's 13 vs 10 for crissake, HIT. Why are you sitting there? O shit, 3 players tucked, what's happening on the other table. Why did that asshole tuck a 14? O shit, they picked up the cards at the other table and I didn't see the tucked cards. Where they 7,8,9s which aren't counted or 10,A which are counted? I don't need to be in the HOF to know my mind feels like spaghetti.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
If I'm on the end, I cannot see the other table. If I'm in the middle, my head is constantly turning back and forth. If I'm standing behind watching two tables, my head is going side to side and the pit is watching me after about two minutes. Like WTF are you doing? A large person sits down to play and half the table goes blank. O crap I've totally lost count on both tables. Waitress is serving drinks YIPPEE. Let's wait another 5 minutes for the next shoe to begin. What a helluva way to have to make a living!
Moses, you weren't here for these discussions. I said "I track a second table when condition are right to do so" Not every time I play. If a table is full, I often can not. Actually I detailed where I sit and how that enables me to fairly easily see the next table and I stated that there was one "key" seat at each table that if occupied, most likely prevents me from seeing enough cards to successfully track a second table. (if you are interested those seats would be second from the left on the table to my right or next to 3rd base, and second from the right on a table to my left, next to first base).
But whatever.
Then again. Why not? I've won a lot of beers and meals on challenges in counting people said I couldn't do. What do you have to lose?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
That's why I'd loved to play Bill Fung and others. Let them be the house. I can count out loud and not get 86ed. Hey, I might lose. But wouldn't that be heaven? Heck, I'm go to go play anyway, only with restrictions.
Not everyday, but yep...300+ days a year...because I am a professional AP. I play with an advantage, in my case a very slim advantage, so I play a lot. That is known as a grinder. And is near as I can tell, Mickey is a bit of a grinder as well, although his expertise is machines, where my knowledge is blackjack, so yep, there are similarities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
And I am in good company, because anyone with half a brain knows mickeycrimm is a real legitimate AP. And the same is true for me You know my saying. "Doesn't take that much to figure out". Well anyone with half a brain knows that I know what I am talking about and that you are just talking. I mean, some people may not like me, for a variety of reasons, so they engage in your agenda of hate, trolling and attempting to discredit. But they know. Just the same as everyone knows the truth about you, a pathetic loser.
I could do this all day. Except I do have to go to work. I have some plays I have to execute before November runs out. :cool:
No, it wasn't my only argument when I posted the blurry photos. The photos were used to show how the tables at that casino were in a straight line, and since they were in a straight line when sitting in the middle seat it would take a significant head turn to see what was going on at a nearby table. The photos also illustrated how just one other player could block the view. The photo also illustrated the angle of view as I held the camera at my eye level.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
With an unobstructed view and without time constraints anyone could see the cards on the next table. That was never an issue, redietz. Moses has now reported on what happens during actual play conditions and that's the issue.
REDIETZ YOU ARE CORRECT THAT ANYBODY can see open cards at a nearby table if there are no obstructions or play to interfere. But kewlj has confirmed that during play there are obstructions that reduce his ability to count cards.
Thanks Moses for your contribution.
The horse is still dead.
Some of the places dealt shoes face up GSR and Silver Legacy. BTW, SL is a good spot for you if you're ever in the area. But only on weekends. I was straining like hell to see and only two players were playing just the one table. I stood at the adjacent empty table and pretended I was watching/getting scores on the TV above. Others went face down. But I was still one fat ass away from a 1/2 a table going blank no matter where I sat. In most places, it was too far for me to see anything. In Pmill, 8s looked like 6s vice versa from a distance.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
So if Wong and 2nd table are only a small part of your game. What do you do the rest of the time? Play all the way through a shoe or start a shoe and exit at a certain negative point? I can see how you could do that in Vegas and probably get in one helluva workout in a day. But how is the guy doing it in Bumfuck Iowa?
Why hell Red, come on down. You sound like a helluva good guy. I'll take you around to all the casinos and even buy you a couple of beers. But leave your tape measure at home. lol I can put you in touch with the self professed greatest handicapper in the world. Of course, his bankroll won't get him to Elko and back. But I'd enjoy hearing some of your theories. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
No, I don't play reno very often moses. I find Reno to be pretty sweaty (in general) involving green and black action. Others that I network with find it playable. I just have better options. Occasionally a trip takes me in that direction and I spend 2-3 days. that's about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moses
As for the rest of my game, I don't play through negative shoes. I have exit triggers, and one is that I aggressively exit negative counts. Anything more than a TC -1 and I am out. I am not sitting there playing that. I have better options. There is another game starting nearby. Best case scenario the next table and I already have some knowledge of the count. :cool:
As for the guy in Bumfuck Iowa. I am not all that knowledgeable about blackjack in other countries. And to me any place outside Vegas and a few other locations that make up my rotation is another country. ;)
Seriously, I don't know what other players in other places do. I would hope they tailor a game plan and plan of attack for their situations. That's what I did. When I lost my rotation in Atlantic City and decided to relocate to Vegas, I tailored a plan of attack for Vegas. Vegas strength is many, many games in close proximity. That means a new game starting somewhere nearby. The next table, the next casino, a casino a couple miles away. So why do I want to play through negative counts? :confused:
Short sessions are not really the "sexy" way to play blackjack. My late partner hated it. But it is a pretty significant winning strategy. If you don't play through all those negative counts, just to get to the good counts, then you can play with a smaller spread, and do some things like "spread both ways" to increase longevity. Win/win.
But I specifically moved to Vegas and designed a style of play beneficial to Vegas. I just don't know what to tell the guy playing in BumFuck Iowa. If he has thoughts of playing professionally, he may need to reconsider where he lives, or at the very least be willing to travel and incur more expense.
Rpbpcchio, man up and agree to meet redietz in Las Vegas to check out the blackjack tables and run a 5K. Otherwise, shut the fuck up, coward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerYou must be a wet-dream-come-true to the marketing efforts of Wong.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJOk, so Moses shares your (Singer) opinion that tracking multiple tables would be difficult or near impossible and immediately you dub Moses "a real bj player", while dismissing many known successful (some for decades) professional and experienced players that state that they too track a second table when conditions are right to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
This list includes:
Schlesinger, renowned blackjack expert, author and player for more than 40 years and a member of the Blackjack hall of Fame.
Munchkin, blackjack expert, player of 30 years, now a professional player, playing with probably the best table game AP alive today and also a member of the BJHF.
Tommy Hyland, 45 year professional player and manager of one of the most successful, if not THE most successful blackjack teams in the world. Much more successful than MIT teams combined. Tommy is also a member of the BJHOF.
Blackjack community member that goes by handle of "bigplayer". Bigplayer s a professional player, has been a member of Hylands team for decades and is also a BJHOF member.
21forme, Longterm professional BJ player known throughout the blackjack community.
And of course myself. That puts me in some pretty successful company. ;) But that is not what this is about. I didn't even know that all these successful known players also tracked multiple tables when I started doing so. I learned after the discussions here. Munchkin I sort of did know. I remember him mentioning it quite some time ago. Did that influence me? Maybe. Probably. Munchkin like other on this list and others not on this list have had quite an influence on my career.
So now Singer will say something retarded like none of these people have proven anything, which is completely untrue. BJHOF members are strongly vetted and have proven beyond any doubt (except by those who refuse to believe anything...conspiracy guys like Singer)their credentials and success. And most of these are BJHOF players.
So moses doesn't believe tracking a second table is possible and aligns himself with Singer. That is fine. Not trying to discredit moses, but he IS THE ANOMOLY here. Moses has access to, plays maybe even specializes in single deck blackjack in Reno. Tracking a second table is NOT a single deck game technique. It is a multi-deck game technique designed to get out of some of the negative counts and replace them with more favorable counts and situations. With single deck, you just play through a round or two negative counts and you will have a new shuffle. No need to track a second game and go table hopping.
So now you're touting "BJHOF" as some reliable source? That's like assuming being in the VPFREE HoF actually means something :)
The gaping holes in your claims come from the fact that you NEVER describe any details of the two-table feat beyond the starting point, you always fail to respond to ANY presentation of facts to the contrary, and you chickened out of doing the end-all in this: proving you can do it with Alan present. All you resort to is whining, evoking other's anonymous names, and telling lie after lie after lie....especially about leaving the forum or blocking people who disagree with you.
So man up and put some mustard on that hot dog.
KJ. Actually, Bumfuck, is a city name I made up and Iowa is a state. However, it's vast in land and few in population so I can see where some would think it's a small country. lol Heck, I can show you many places where Reno is sweaty in Red.
Point is, these guys claim to drive all over the US Wonging etc. making $100k their first year as a red chipper. For them it's a 3 hour drive between casinos to start a new game. For me, it's a 3 minute walk. So "the math" doesn't quite pencil out. Hmmm, they sound like Forrest Gump. "Gee I dunno, I just felt like winnanga."
Robocchio, name the AP's that don't post on forums....since you don't recognize anyone as being an AP. Either name some of shut the fuck up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerAll you've ever proven is how insecure you are about everything, and what a degenerate gambler you are. Remember, no true "AP" would ever float around on internet gaming forums talking all the silly smack you do. You have no brains kew. You're one of the fools here who either says they go to casinos almost every day, or wishes they were in casinos all the time. mickey does that also. Think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJWhy would I prove anything to Alan....a broken down has been journalist turned shyster/conman? Is proving anything to Alan going to pay my bills? I prove it almost on a daily basis, making money to support myself comfortably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
AND, the people I mentioned that have stated they also track multiple tables are not anonymous. Several use their real names. And those that don't are well known throughout the BJ community.
What a stupid fuck you continue to be. Seriously are you retarded? :confused:
I love the way Robocchio blows his stack at my posts. As long as he keeps biting I'll keep fishing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVSinger has posted how much he ENJOYS it when guys like you respond to his trolls.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
He'll keep throwing his line in the pond so long as the fish keep biting.
I've never been to Bumfuck, Iowa but I'e been to Corn Junction, Iowa. Thats any intersection in Iowa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moses
Well, by got! Just how big an ole boy are you? They say that a lot back dare! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Except for the only point that counts: you're afraid of meeting up with Alan to prove your crazy assertion.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJNot everyday, but yep...300+ days a year...because I am a professional AP. I play with an advantage, in my case a very slim advantage, so I play a lot. That is known as a grinder. And is near as I can tell, Mickey is a bit of a grinder as well, although his expertise is machines, where my knowledge is blackjack, so yep, there are similarities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
And I am in good company, because anyone with half a brain knows mickeycrimm is a real legitimate AP. And the same is true for me You know my saying. "Doesn't take that much to figure out". Well anyone with half a brain knows that I know what I am talking about and that you are just talking. I mean, some people may not like me, for a variety of reasons, so they engage in your agenda of hate, trolling and attempting to discredit. But they know. Just the same as everyone knows the truth about you, a pathetic loser.
I could do this all day. Except I do have to go to work. I have some plays I have to execute before November runs out. :cool:
You're also ducking the issue of why you blab about yourself so much on internet forums. That's because the answer is obvious: you're so insecure with your made-up forum anonymous fantasy that you're terrified how it might suddenly come to a screeching halt. So you just can't help yourself when it comes to trying so hard to push your agenda.
Dummy. I train "ap's" all the time when I'm able.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmRobocchio, name the AP's that don't post on forums....since you don't recognize anyone as being an AP. Either name some of shut the fuck up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerAll you've ever proven is how insecure you are about everything, and what a degenerate gambler you are. Remember, no true "AP" would ever float around on internet gaming forums talking all the silly smack you do. You have no brains kew. You're one of the fools here who either says they go to casinos almost every day, or wishes they were in casinos all the time. mickey does that also. Think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Get a diploma before your next post!
Rob wrote to kewlj: "Except for the only point that counts: you're afraid of meeting up with Alan to prove your crazy assertion."
Hold on, Rob. There's nothing to prove anymore and actually there has been nothing to prove for awhile.
Kewlj concedes he can only count two tables under certain conditions. Accepted.
Kewlj concedes his counting of two tables can have some dificiencies. Accepted.
What's left to prove or argue? Nothing.
If kewlj wants to play that way, accepting the limitations, I'm certainly not going to argue with him and neither should you.
That leaves just one more issue: redietz and his vision test. I hope by now redietz understands that no one disputes that you can view cards on a nearby table when the view is unobstructed.
Are we done yet?
Let's hope so. This thread was uglier than a Baboons ass.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Can you get these "ap's" to give some testimonials? Or are they chickenshit like you? Oh, that's right! They don't exist. Nose getting longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerDummy. I train "ap's" all the time when I'm able.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmRobocchio, name the AP's that don't post on forums....since you don't recognize anyone as being an AP. Either name some of shut the fuck up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Get a diploma before your next post!
ROBOCCHIO, YOU ARE TO CHICKENSHIT TO MEET UP WITH REDIETZ IN LAS VEGAS OVER THE ISSUE. You are also ducking the issue of why you blab about yourself so much on the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerExcept for the only point that counts: you're afraid of meeting up with Alan to prove your crazy assertion.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJNot everyday, but yep...300+ days a year...because I am a professional AP. I play with an advantage, in my case a very slim advantage, so I play a lot. That is known as a grinder. And is near as I can tell, Mickey is a bit of a grinder as well, although his expertise is machines, where my knowledge is blackjack, so yep, there are similarities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
And I am in good company, because anyone with half a brain knows mickeycrimm is a real legitimate AP. And the same is true for me You know my saying. "Doesn't take that much to figure out". Well anyone with half a brain knows that I know what I am talking about and that you are just talking. I mean, some people may not like me, for a variety of reasons, so they engage in your agenda of hate, trolling and attempting to discredit. But they know. Just the same as everyone knows the truth about you, a pathetic loser.
I could do this all day. Except I do have to go to work. I have some plays I have to execute before November runs out. :cool:
You're also ducking the issue of why you blab about yourself so much on internet forums. That's because the answer is obvious: you're so insecure with your made-up forum anonymous fantasy that you're terrified how it might suddenly come to a screeching halt. So you just can't help yourself when it comes to trying so hard to push your agenda.
Rob thinks redietz should meet up with you but he is to chickenshit to meet up with redietz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
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Originally Posted by Moses
Quick Bumfuck comment. A friend of mine was staying at the Golden Nugget a week ago. She saw a guy dressed like a pimp from Starsky and Hutch, so she asked what gave with the super-obvious wardrobe. He said it was so the visitors from "Bumfuck, Idaho" knew where to get what they needed. So I guess both Iowa and Idaho have Bumfucks, eh?
Moses, I'll make it to Reno sometime, and I appreciate the invitation. I think you would like some of my compadres. They are cynical but funny, salt-of-the-earth guys.
We need to get "Rob" to explain how, if you can see cards at the next table, he and his "casino exec" friend couldn't do it at an empty table. Either Rob and Mr. Magoo have eye issues, or somebody lied....again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I just assumed BumFuck _____ just meant in the middle of nowhere. I have used the term BumFuck Egypt many times.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by Moses
Quick Bumfuck comment. A friend of mine was staying at the Golden Nugget a week ago. She saw a guy dressed like a pimp from Starsky and Hutch, so she asked what gave with the super-obvious wardrobe. He said it was so the visitors from "Bumfuck, Idaho" knew where to get what they needed. So I guess both Iowa and Idaho have Bumfucks, eh?
Moses, I'll make it to Reno sometime, and I appreciate the invitation. I think you would like some of my compadres. They are cynical but funny, salt-of-the-earth guys.
Moses didn't make up the term "Bumfuck" as descriptive of anywhere, USA: the term has been in common use since the last millenium.
Back east where I grew up the common phrase was "Bumfuck, Utah." *
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*Sort of makes me wonder where the phrase came from; do the mormons sodomize the homeless?
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Oh come on Nancy, you and your boyfriends use that term in another context all the time. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf