Rob Singer didn't beat video poker

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

The "soft profits" concept isn't a bad idea for "regular gamblers" who keep playing till nothing is left.

What's so horrible about stopping and thinking for a moment?

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"Regular gamblers" is another way of saying degenerate gamblers. Degenerate gamblers have all sorts of little tricks that they use (appropriately names tricks) because all they are doing is tricking themselves. These "tricks" change NOTHING in the longrun.

So here's what I take away from your statement: You are basically conceding Singer is a degenerate gambler applying these silly little tricks and goofy phrases like "soft profits" to trick himself and more importantly anyone who will listen to him.

"Soft profits".....ridiculous. Changes nothing in the long run. These silly stop limits, with whatever label you want to put on them, change nothing in the long run.

Here is the only concept you need to understand, Alan and slingshot:

+EV play = longterm win (unless you make enough erase that advantage). -EV = longterm losses. None of this other nonsense, or goofy terms can change that. THAT IS THE FACTS.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by slingshot

This is the craziest mumbo jumbo I've read so far! It is a make believe world created by make believe math! My son made thousands of dollars as a computer analyst selling virtual property to people who were unable to program them in their make believe cities, etc. I couldn't believe anyone would purchase something that didn't exist so they could operate in a make believe world- but now I see it's possible. Use make believe math to create make believe sessions. It's easy to put it on paper- but it comes out different in the real world.

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No...this rebuttal is the craziest mumbo jumbo, posted so far. "Make believe math?" There is only one person (and his followers) that is using fake or alternative math. You are backing a guy ho keeps telling you that 2+2=5. And that is all this whole bag of nonsense comes down to.

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Not quite. He's trying to tell the suckers that -0.67 (or whatever the house edge is on the game he's playing) + -0.67 = +1.65. Suckers will be suckers.

2+2 does equal 5 when we bill our clients.

Kewlj continues as kewlj has always continued and wrote ""Regular gamblers" is another way of saying degenerate gamblers."

No, and try to understand this. Regular gamblers are the millions of people who go to casinos to try their luck and fully understand that the odds are against them.

Not everyone is an AP, kewlj. The world doesn't hate APs either.

There is no harm in taking a hundred dollars, playing for example 20 hands of video poker, and then pausing to count what you have.

What is the harm in doing that?

If after 20 hands you have $140, you might cash out the ticket and return to play with $40 at 25-cents. Or, if after your 20 hands you have $70 and then you say "let's go eat."

What's the harm in that?

While I don't know or understand most of what Rob does, THIS PART makes perfect sense.

Alan, I concede that I don't distinguish, as I probably should, between degenerate gamblers and recreational losing players. I shouldn't lump players that are recreationally losing in the name of fun, enjoyment and entertainment in with those that are gambling irresponsibly, above their means. BUT both are in the category of -EV players or losing players. That is what I distinguish with +EV or winning players.

I really don't care if you Alan, in whatever category you want to place yourself, degenerate, or recreational losing player, want to do and believe whatever nonsense you want. Whatever makes you feel good about yourself. BUT, I do object to the likes of you and slingshot supporting Singer's claims, and making arguments on his behalf, when you both have admitted that you not even don't play his system, but don't even know it.

Learn Singer's "system". PLAY Singer's system. Then come back and tell us about it.

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Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK

Oh Alan. You're alive. Thanks for responding to my texts. Still no money. Not doing any more work for you.

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Oh boy. :rolleyes: Alan, you apparently are beyond embarrassment, but I am seriously embarrassed for you.

Get yourself and life together Alan and stop making gambling your top priority.


edit: Oh, I see SlapiNFuNK has already deleted his post. Something goofy and dishonest about that practice as well. Must run in the family. lol

Kewlj wrote "BUT, I do object to the likes of you and slingshot supporting Singer's claims."

Where or when have I ever? Quote any forum post or anything on YouTube or my website.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Kewlj wrote "BUT, I do object to the likes of you and slingshot supporting Singer's claims."

Where or when have I ever? Quote any forum post or anything on YouTube or my website.

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OMG. Alan, you are seriously delusional. You are living in another universe. I am literally arguing with a crazy person. :(

The only thing I have done is pointed out the actual statements Rob has made to me and how they've been twisted by everyone else. The truth is on my website. Even how I questioned and doubted his strategy.

You never looked, did you?

I posted the links.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Learn Singer's "system". PLAY Singer's system. Then come back and tell us about it.

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The only intelligent, truthful point you have ever made here.

In order for anyone to support or criticize my play strategy, it is only simple common sense that they fully endorse/put into play what you just said. To do either without the proper knowledge or experience only creates an argument between a dumb person and a smart one. To the dumb & inexperienced one, that 2+2 will always equal 5, unless and until they heed your words above. And taking the easy way out of the argument by simply saying "+EV = winning and -EV = losing" is only done by the timid and afraid.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Learn Singer's "system". PLAY Singer's system. Then come back and tell us about it.

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The only intelligent, truthful point you have ever made here.

In order for anyone to support or criticize my play strategy, it is only simple common sense that they fully endorse/put into play what you just said. To do either without the proper knowledge or experience only creates an argument between a dumb person and a smart one. To the dumb & inexperienced one, that 2+2 will always equal 5, unless and until they heed your words above. And taking the easy way out of the argument by simply saying "+EV = winning and -EV = losing" is only done by the timid and afraid.

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Rob, why do you have to stoop to the name calling, attacks, and trying to tear other people down? If your system is really what you claim, let it stand on its own merit. If your system really worked there would be no need to call people dumb and stupid, uneducated, or attack someone on the basis of sex, religion, sexual orientation or anything else, including things like someone's former battle with alcoholism. Someone who engages in this kind of behavior is compensating for their own shortcomings, or in this case the short comings of your "system". You aren't fooling anyone here, with that nonsense.

Kewlj you are correct that Rob should never have insulted anyone and I am his friend and I've told him that too. But these forums (and I mean all of them) are filled with insults and attacks.

I never insulted you. I disagreed with your two-table claim but you immediately attacked me.

You just attacked me on this page.

See how easily it happens?

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Kewlj you are correct that Rob should never have insulted anyone and I am his friend and I've told him that too. But these forums (and I mean all of them) are filled with insults and attacks.

I never insulted you. I disagreed with your two-table claim but you immediately attacked me.

You just attacked me on this page.

See how easily it happens?

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You are correct Alan, that I sometimes get caught up and go in that direction. You do too Alan. I will give you credit for being a little more restrained than some of us, but you most certainly have attacked me as well. I can go back and quote some if you really feel the need.

But for my money, in my experiences here, this climate started with Rob. When he is unable to defend or answer criticism, he attacks. "You are stupid", "you are dumb", "you are an alcoholic", homophobic slurs, personal attacks, even personal attacks on spouses and family members that have passed away and never even participated here (and not just mine). All because he runs out of answers defending what there is no legitimate defense for.

this strategy of attacks serves two purposes, to tear down those criticizing Rob and his methods and try to discredit them and it is meant to discourage others who may want to weigh in. Serves as a warning.

I'm not going to deny that Rob is the worst offender. Neither will Rob.

It's part of his game. You should realize that by now.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Learn Singer's "system". PLAY Singer's system. Then come back and tell us about it.

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The only intelligent, truthful point you have ever made here.

In order for anyone to support or criticize my play strategy, it is only simple common sense that they fully endorse/put into play what you just said. To do either without the proper knowledge or experience only creates an argument between a dumb person and a smart one. To the dumb & inexperienced one, that 2+2 will always equal 5, unless and until they heed your words above. And taking the easy way out of the argument by simply saying "+EV = winning and -EV = losing" is only done by the timid and afraid.

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Rob, why do you have to stoop to the name calling, attacks, and trying to tear other people down? If your system is really what you claim, let it stand on its own merit. If your system really worked there would be no need to call people dumb and stupid, uneducated, or attack someone on the basis of sex, religion, sexual orientation or anything else, including things like someone's former battle with alcoholism. Someone who engages in this kind of behavior is compensating for their own shortcomings, or in this case the short comings of your "system". You aren't fooling anyone here, with that nonsense.

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Do you ever read the hypocrisy you engage in?

My strategy does stand on its own merit because I've won a bundle using it. People like you who don't understand it because they don't want to understand it and would rather blindly criticize it, is what makes no sense to intelligent people. It is a very lazy approach. And someone your age should want to know and do a whole lot more instead of continuing on in their fantasy "world of neon" but where only what interests you counts.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

I'm not going to deny that Rob is the worst offender. Neither will Rob.

It's part of his game. You should realize that by now.

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And that's something else kew doesn't want to get because it didn't come from him.

I've been back & forth with AP's for 18 years now on my play strategy. To them it does not compute--not because they tried or wanted anything to do with understanding it--but because it is not what they do or how they do it. Close-minded at its finest. Kew you've had things explained up & down and back & forth to you a dozen times, and I've even offered to show everything to you in person. I wouldn't give out pics or names--heck, I already know who you really are. But you choose to denigrate, lie, and misrepresent because it's the easy way out. So I or anyone who supports using it is automatically a "loser, degenerate, cousin eddie, who steals electricity" or whatever nonsense these people come up with that's so far from the truth it's silly.

As long as there are people out there who would rather lie and be lazy when it comes to me or my strategy, I've been around enuf to have much better skills than them at the insult game, and I especially have come to enjoy it when the opponent is weak, obviously lying about themselves and me, and they show an inclination to be set off for my entertainment value--and likely many others enjoy the show also.

This show should have closed a long time ago, Rob. I'm still your friend but you're still your own worst enemy.

By the way, that new show Marilyn on the Strip I don't think lasted a week.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

This show should have closed a long time ago, Rob. I'm still your friend but you're still your own worst enemy. .

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You've heard "keep your friends close and your enemies closer"? Well, I have the best advantage on that. My "worst enemy" is so close I can taste his spit! And I'm no homo.

ROB, it's not just AP's that are VERRY skeptical of your system and claims.

For example. MR. V doesn't claim to be an AP or a math geek. Hes also been known to be skeptical of AP claims,
However, I think he's skeptical of your claims.

You can even ask Larry who's is in the same boat as MR. V.

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

ROB, it's not just AP's that are majority skeptical of your system and claims.

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I don't think that the general public knows about Rob. I think there are maybe 200 people on the various forums that do.

I think if you went around casinos and asked random players what would they do if they just won a thousand dollars most would say "go home."

But what would the APs say? They'd say going home is meaningless because it's one long session.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

ROB, it's not just AP's that are majority skeptical of your system and claims.

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I don't think that the general public knows about Rob. I think there are maybe 200 people on the various forums that do.

I think if you went around casinos and asked random players what would they do if they just won a thousand dollars most would say "go home."

But what would the APs say? They'd say going home is meaningless because it's one long session.

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According to this above logic, my hole carding blackjack BP's who are betting 2 hands of $500 each, should leave if they win the very first hands. That would be assinine!

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Originally Posted by jbjb

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

ROB, it's not just AP's that are majority skeptical of your system and claims.

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I don't think that the general public knows about Rob. I think there are maybe 200 people on the various forums that do.

I think if you went around casinos and asked random players what would they do if they just won a thousand dollars most would say "go home."

But what would the APs say? They'd say going home is meaningless because it's one long session.

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According to this above logic, my hole carding blackjack BP's who are betting 2 hands of $500 each, should leave if they win the very first hands. That would be assinine!

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But this isn't about your hole carding blackjack players, is it? Rob doesnt give advice about blackjack, does he?

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

But this isn't about your hole carding blackjack players, is it? Rob doesnt give advice about blackjack, does he?

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He doesn't? How many times has Rob stated that I am lying because no one can be a blackjack card counter in this era?

To those of us that count cards, whether for a living like I do, or at any level, it immediately tells us Rob has no clue of the topic that he is strongly voicing an opinion about. And frankly, that damages his credibility on all other topics. If he says things completely untrue about this topic, why should we believe anything this man has to say?

And frankly Alan, you suffer from the same situation. Your arguing with me about blackjack topics that you obviously have no clue about, damages your credibility on everything you say.

Keekj, if you can get away with card counting and winning so much money the way you say you do then all I can say is congratulations. You da man.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Keekj, if you can get away with card counting and winning so much money the way you say you do then all I can say is congratulations. You da man.

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I don't know why I waste my time here, and in particular with you.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Keekj, if you can get away with card counting and winning so much money the way you say you do then all I can say is congratulations. You da man.

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I don't know why I waste my time here, and in particular with you.

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I have been trying to figure that out as well. I chalk it up to one of life's mysteries.😜

Alan and Rob are masters at moving the goal posts.

There’s nothing wrong with stopping and counting your money and deciding if you want to keep playing or take a break. But how does that help you make money?

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Originally Posted by RS__

Alan and Rob are masters at moving the goal posts.

There’s nothing wrong with stopping and counting your money and deciding if you want to keep playing or take a break. But how does that help you make money?

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It doesn't. It only gives you an opportunity to decide to say "I've had enough" or "I'll try again." And what's wrong with that?

Because you're sitting at a machine doesn't mean you have to play like a machine. (Unless of course you're an AP and you have an edge?????)

Or are you both right. An AP, playing for profit, and allegedly playing with an edge. Of course he should put in the hours.

Now you have a casual gambler playing for entertainment with no edge. It can't hurt to stick those vouchers in your pocket and make sure you go home with a few bucks. It can't hurt to take a moment to count up and see where you stand and then decide have I lost enough or have I made enough so i'll go get dinner. It's not a question of how does that help you make money. Different goals--different reason for playing.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

But this isn't about your hole carding blackjack players, is it? Rob doesnt give advice about blackjack, does he?

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He doesn't? How many times has Rob stated that I am lying because no one can be a blackjack card counter in this era?

To those of us that count cards, whether for a living like I do, or at any level, it immediately tells us Rob has no clue of the topic that he is strongly voicing an opinion about. And frankly, that damages his credibility on all other topics. If he says things completely untrue about this topic, why should we believe anything this man has to say?

And frankly Alan, you suffer from the same situation. Your arguing with me about blackjack topics that you obviously have no clue about, damages your credibility on everything you say.

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You're confused again kew. The reason I KNOW card counters can't get away with it anymore is because I've been told that and shown that by a high up friend of mine at the Peppermill. Not only do the guys with eyes keep track of what table players do--their computers are always alerting them as to who may be counting cards. Face recognition is shared around the state. Counters bounced from one place won't be allowed to play in most places in the state.

And you think some of us are stupid enuf to believe you trick people and computers while you get away with upping bets on positive counts? No wonder you skirt forums craving relevance. And no wonder you'll do anything to stay anonymous. You may think your gig keeps pulling wool over most of the dopes here, but you're really not getting away with a thing.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

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Originally Posted by RS__

Alan and Rob are masters at moving the goal posts.

There’s nothing wrong with stopping and counting your money and deciding if you want to keep playing or take a break. But how does that help you make money?

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It doesn't. It only gives you an opportunity to decide to say "I've had enough" or "I'll try again." And what's wrong with that?

Because you're sitting at a machine doesn't mean you have to play like a machine. (Unless of course you're an AP and you have an edge?????)

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Or are you both right. An AP, playing for profit, and allegedly playing with an edge. Of course he should put in the hours.

Now you have a casual gambler playing for entertainment with no edge. It can't hurt to stick those vouchers in your pocket and make sure you go home with a few bucks. It can't hurt to take a moment to count up and see where you stand and then decide have I lost enough or have I made enough so i'll go get dinner. It's not a question of how does that help you make money. Different goals--different reason for playing.

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My question was in reference to Rob's system, where after he hits for a certain amount, he pockets that money and says it's a "soft profit". Again, how does that make money?


I'm not saying it's a bad thing to do for a recreational gambler who is playing at a disadvantage. Any time you're playing with a disadvantage and you walk away, the better off you are (financially).

Rob's soft profits don't make money. They prevent you from losing all your money.

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Originally Posted by RS__

"soft profit"

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Let's stop using this term....what a crock of sh**.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by RS__

"soft profit"

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Let's stop using this term....what a crock of sh**.

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I'm all for more accurate terminology. What would you call hitting the cash out button after a win but you decide to keep playing?

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by RS__

"soft profit"

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Let's stop using this term....what a crock of sh**.

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I'm all for more accurate terminology. What would you call hitting the cash out button after a win but you decide to keep playing?

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I call it VOODOO.

If you are going to keep playing, why are you hitting the cash out button? Trying to trick the machine?

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Rob's soft profits don't make money. They prevent you from losing all your money.

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This is partially true. The other part is that the soft profits, as they accumulate, require less and less of a winning hit to attain a session ending win goal. This is how they help make money. They also many times mean you are going down in denomination to continue play--not up.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

You're confused again kew. The reason I KNOW card counters can't get away with it anymore is because I've been told that and shown that by a high up friend of mine at the Peppermill. Not only do the guys with eyes keep track of what table players do--their computers are always alerting them as to who may be counting cards. Face recognition is shared around the state. Counters bounced from one place won't be allowed to play in most places in the state.

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Rob, this is complete nonsense. It just is....all of it.

I too have friends that work the pits, here in Vegas. Good friends that have shared a lot and I have learned a lot from. As a matter of fact they share some stuff that they shouldn't and that I never asked for (like database entries). At most places table game players are not top priority. If surveillance is watching a table they are more likely to be watching the dealer than anything else. It is only when an evaluation of a player is requested that they focus on a player.

Computers aren't alerting anyone as to card counters. There is no program or technology that does that. There are programs used in the evaluation process, but like I said, that evaluation has to be requested.

Facial recognition used by the casino industry has been very weak. Much different quality than government facial recognition. It is getting a little better, but still not very good or accurate. It needs a real clear headshot and usually the only place they get that is at the cashier. That is why it is best not to cashout after a session. Also this technology is only as good as the person operating it and the casino is just not paying for top people. You get what you pay for.

Upping bets is NOT the problem. The big tell for card counters is returning to the smaller or minimum bet after the shuffle. I play an approach that minimized that playing short sessions and exiting after showing my spread.

I am not looking to continue to fight with you, but just about everything you just stated is incorrect. It really is.

Oh and here is how the database program like OSN or biometrics works. Casinos have to subscribe to the service. Most do, but most don't put new entries in, they just look at the entries, and then only when something raises their suspicion, and if they are not too busy. By networking with other players, we know which casinos are active as far as entering information and avoid them. Cosmo here in Vegas is very active in entering new information for example.

So most casinos just review the entries and most just review the recent entries. So when a player does get a new entry, the danger period is only a few days to a week and then it is buried. If it is a bad entry, you might be advised to lay low for a few days, play places that you know don't even participate much.

A question for you kewlj: is there any casino that really knows you are counting and where you win big money and doesn't care and lets you continue without comment?

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I don't mind answering decent questions like this. And naturally, an obsessed sicko like eddie won't like that we've stopped back here at Tahoe for a week on our way back to S. Dakota after going to a SF wedding, so I have the time to.

I'd say about 2000 hands on avg., which is 10,000 coins in. My speed was 1400 accurate hph as an AP, but since the new strategy was developed I don't rush.

An avg. session is about four hours. One ended on the second hand, another took more than 12 hours. Given that my avg. win/session played (including losing sessions) has been over $3000, my % of bankroll win is nearly 6% overall. In just the winning sessions, it's quite a bit higher. However, this includes sessions where I lose money as well as "failed" sessions where I have to quit after winning anywhere from $1 to $2499. Having to quit means I've played thru all of my credits. There is never a total loss of bankroll, because of the numerous amounts of soft profit 40+ credits cashouts along the way.

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Ah, yes, the soft profits. This is where Rob plays a game with himself. He will occasionally cash out a ticket, stick it in his pocket, then insert more money into the machine. He says he usually does this after a full house. Does it change his results? No. He is still up or down the exact same amount. There is zero effect on outcome. But what it does serve to do is muddy up the waters for anyone trying to draw a bead on what he is doing.

He starts with a 57K bankroll. And he had three 57K bankrolls. He says he has an 85% success rate at getting the $2500 or higher win with just one 57K bankroll. From these two stats one would assume he has a failure rate of 15% of losing the 57K. Failure rates are important. You can calculate things from it. Like you would have a 1 in 44 chance of losing two 57K bankrolls in a row. And a 1 in 267 chance of losing all three 57K bankrolls in a row.

A trip a week to the casino is 50 times a year. Ten years and its 500 visits. That would be like a dozen times Rob would have lost two bankrolls in a row, down to his last bankroll and sweating bullets. And he dodged the bullet of losing three bankrolls in a row, which would wipe him out, even though it should happen about twice in 500 sessions.

Thats what the overview is. But Rob muddies all that up with the soft profit bullshit about not really losing all of the 57K bankroll. So much so that any math professor would be driven nuts by his bullshit.

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This is the craziest mumbo jumbo I've read so far! It is a make believe world created by make believe math! My son made thousands of dollars as a computer analyst selling virtual property to people who were unable to program them in their make believe cities, etc. I couldn't believe anyone would purchase something that didn't exist so they could operate in a make believe world- but now I see it's possible. Use make believe math to create make believe sessions. It's easy to put it on paper- but it comes out different in the real world.

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So it's "make believe math" to you? How quaint. In the forward to his book, A Brief History of Time, Dr. Stephen Hawking said he was told by other published astro-physicists that if he put just one equation in the book it would cut sales in half. That's just how averse the masses are to mathematics. I think you are just a little more math challenged than the average person in a masses. You've never heard of "failure rate?" It was the first concept established in Probability Theory. It's been around for 370 years.

What if I were to proposition you to a little game played with one die and a cup? You know the chances of rolling a 3 are 1 in 6. Expressed as odds it's 5 to 1 against. I say I can roll a 3 in just 4 rolls of the die. Let's make it an even money proposition and we play the game 500 times.

Hint: Sling, you have to use the failure rate to determine where you are percentagewise in this game.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Rob's soft profits don't make money. They prevent you from losing all your money.

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This is partially true. The other part is that the soft profits, as they accumulate, require less and less of a winning hit to attain a session ending win goal. This is how they help make money. They also many times mean you are going down in denomination to continue play--not up.

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Rob- doesn't cashing out also help one keep up with the strategy? I mean, keeping up with the soft profits and starting over ?

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Ah, yes, the soft profits. This is where Rob plays a game with himself. He will occasionally cash out a ticket, stick it in his pocket, then insert more money into the machine. He says he usually does this after a full house. Does it change his results? No. He is still up or down the exact same amount. There is zero effect on outcome. But what it does serve to do is muddy up the waters for anyone trying to draw a bead on what he is doing.

He starts with a 57K bankroll. And he had three 57K bankrolls. He says he has an 85% success rate at getting the $2500 or higher win with just one 57K bankroll. From these two stats one would assume he has a failure rate of 15% of losing the 57K. Failure rates are important. You can calculate things from it. Like you would have a 1 in 44 chance of losing two 57K bankrolls in a row. And a 1 in 267 chance of losing all three 57K bankrolls in a row.

A trip a week to the casino is 50 times a year. Ten years and its 500 visits. That would be like a dozen times Rob would have lost two bankrolls in a row, down to his last bankroll and sweating bullets. And he dodged the bullet of losing three bankrolls in a row, which would wipe him out, even though it should happen about twice in 500 sessions.

Thats what the overview is. But Rob muddies all that up with the soft profit bullshit about not really losing all of the 57K bankroll. So much so that any math professor would be driven nuts by his bullshit.

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This is the craziest mumbo jumbo I've read so far! It is a make believe world created by make believe math! My son made thousands of dollars as a computer analyst selling virtual property to people who were unable to program them in their make believe cities, etc. I couldn't believe anyone would purchase something that didn't exist so they could operate in a make believe world- but now I see it's possible. Use make believe math to create make believe sessions. It's easy to put it on paper- but it comes out different in the real world.

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So it's "make believe math" to you? How quaint. In the forward to his book, A Brief History of Time, Dr. Stephen Hawking said he was told by other published astro-physicists that if he put just one equation in the book it would cut sales in half. That's just how averse the masses are to mathematics. I think you are just a little more math challenged than the average person in a masses. You've never heard of "failure rate?" It was the first concept established in Probability Theory. It's been around for 370 years.

What if I were to proposition you to a little game played with one die and a cup? You know the chances of rolling a 3 are 1 in 6. Expressed as odds it's 5 to 1 against. I say I can roll a 3 in just 4 rolls of the die. Let's make it an even money proposition and we play the game 500 times.

Hint: Sling, you have to use the failure rate to determine where you are percentagewise in this game.

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All I'm saying is math is solid and concrete in the real world. Once you step inside a casino, it is constantly changing because of the hold and simulated randomness.

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Alan and Rob are masters at moving the goal posts.

There’s nothing wrong with stopping and counting your money and deciding if you want to keep playing or take a break. But how does that help you make money?

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It doesn't. It only gives you an opportunity to decide to say "I've had enough" or "I'll try again." And what's wrong with that?

Because you're sitting at a machine doesn't mean you have to play like a machine. (Unless of course you're an AP and you have an edge?????)

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Nothings wrong with any of this stuff. Playing less hands on a -EV game is always a good thing. The wrong is when you claim your system is profitable and one will become a winning player if they use it. If Rob touted his system as an etertaining way to lose less money most of us wouldnt have a problem with it.

AxelWolf wrote " If Rob touted his system as an etertaining way to lose less money most of us wouldnt have a problem with it."

So you actually know what Rob's system is all about? Good for you for studying it.

After all these years I still don't know when Rob moves up in denomination and when he moves down and when he switches from Bonus to a different game.

Right now I'm in the dark and I can't tell you if you'll make a profit or not following Rob's system.

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A question for you kewlj: is there any casino that really knows you are counting and where you win big money and doesn't care and lets you continue without comment?

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Interesting question Alan. As it is written, I would say no. If you substitute out "casino" and insert "casino personnel or pit personnel", my answer would be yes. But I wouldn't use the term "doesn't care". I would categorize it as "looks the other way". And that can change at any time. It is an ongoing effort to remain within comfort levels or at least where you are 'tolerated'.

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AxelWolf wrote " If Rob touted his system as an etertaining way to lose less money most of us wouldnt have a problem with it."

So you actually know what Rob's system is all about? Good for you for studying it.

After all these years I still don't know when Rob moves up in denomination and when he moves down and when he switches from Bonus to a different game.

Right now I'm in the dark and I can't tell you if you'll make a profit or not following Rob's system.

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Perhaps you should stop thinking so hard about your boyfriend`s system and think harder about buying a book titled "How to pay my son back after he did work for me and I stiffed him".....asswipe

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This is the craziest mumbo jumbo I've read so far! It is a make believe world created by make believe math! My son made thousands of dollars as a computer analyst selling virtual property to people who were unable to program them in their make believe cities, etc. I couldn't believe anyone would purchase something that didn't exist so they could operate in a make believe world- but now I see it's possible. Use make believe math to create make believe sessions. It's easy to put it on paper- but it comes out different in the real world.

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So it's "make believe math" to you? How quaint. In the forward to his book, A Brief History of Time, Dr. Stephen Hawking said he was told by other published astro-physicists that if he put just one equation in the book it would cut sales in half. That's just how averse the masses are to mathematics. I think you are just a little more math challenged than the average person in a masses. You've never heard of "failure rate?" It was the first concept established in Probability Theory. It's been around for 370 years.

What if I were to proposition you to a little game played with one die and a cup? You know the chances of rolling a 3 are 1 in 6. Expressed as odds it's 5 to 1 against. I say I can roll a 3 in just 4 rolls of the die. Let's make it an even money proposition and we play the game 500 times.

Hint: Sling, you have to use the failure rate to determine where you are percentagewise in this game.

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All I'm saying is math is solid and concrete in the real world. Once you step inside a casino, it is constantly changing because of the hold and simulated randomness.

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It is? Could you explain that to me in detail?

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So it's "make believe math" to you? How quaint. In the forward to his book, A Brief History of Time, Dr. Stephen Hawking said he was told by other published astro-physicists that if he put just one equation in the book it would cut sales in half. That's just how averse the masses are to mathematics. I think you are just a little more math challenged than the average person in a masses. You've never heard of "failure rate?" It was the first concept established in Probability Theory. It's been around for 370 years.

What if I were to proposition you to a little game played with one die and a cup? You know the chances of rolling a 3 are 1 in 6. Expressed as odds it's 5 to 1 against. I say I can roll a 3 in just 4 rolls of the die. Let's make it an even money proposition and we play the game 500 times.

Hint: Sling, you have to use the failure rate to determine where you are percentagewise in this game.

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All I'm saying is math is solid and concrete in the real world. Once you step inside a casino, it is constantly changing because of the hold and simulated randomness.

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It is? Could you explain that to me in detail?

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Been talked about over and over- just like most threads here. First of all, I don't believe anyone here believes in a simulated randomness which basically ensures the hold, payouts, etc., stay within the parameters of a true randomness. See where this is going? Old stuff which only infuriates and causes another 10 pages of name calling, profanity, and "it just can't be" conversations. I should just keep quiet here.

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Been talked about over and over- just like most threads here. First of all, I don't believe anyone here believes in a simulated randomness which basically ensures the hold, payouts, etc., stay within the parameters of a true randomness. See where this is going? Old stuff which only infuriates and causes another 10 pages of name calling, profanity, and "it just can't be" conversations. I should just keep quiet here.

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Wait, what now? Are you saying because they are not TRULY random, but only pseudo-random, that the results wouldn't be within the parameters of true randomness? I assume you're talking about the results of a game long term, right (not long term)?

That's just preposterous.

We know that nothing is truly random, because every action or decision is based on another. It isn't that PRNGs aren't "truly random" (they aren't) that's a problem, it's that they are predictable. If you always give it the same input, it will always give you the same output. That doesn't mean the average result from a PRNG or a true RNG are going to be different though, long term.

[/QUOTE] Nothings wrong with any of this stuff. Playing less hands on a -EV game is always a good thing. The wrong is when you claim your system is profitable and one will become a winning player if they use it. If Rob touted his system as an etertaining way to lose less money most of us wouldnt have a problem with it.[/QUOTE]

Exactly how is it "wrong" after I've won so much using it....while you have no idea what it is about? The lazy way as I said is for people to simply say it's not a winner because it's played on less than 100% games. I suppose you'd say it IS a winner if played on a 100.17% game right? And that is as ignorant and close-minded as it gets.

Bob Dancer tries using the stupid phrase "playing less hands/slowly/low denominations is fine if you're playing for entertainment on 99.9999% games". But he looks so foolish when he spews such nonsense. I've won more than him--not because I play more than him....hey, he's a poker machine's addict's addict. But because he loses and I don't. Why? He's still playing, working, and paying Shirley like a dog, and he's OLDER than me. I spend $3000-6000/week as I will for the rest of my life, enjoying travel and retirement the way it was meant to be enjoyed. He, like most ap's are stuck in the same old rut that leads to nowhere.

So please wise up axel and try to stop saying dumb things. It would be different if you had good knowledge on what I do but you don't show that you do....even though I believe you'd get it like my ap friend in LV does.

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I spend $3000-6000/week as I will for the rest of my life, enjoying travel and retirement the way it was meant to be enjoyed. He, like most ap's are stuck in the same old rut that leads to nowhere.

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Were this in fact the case, one might wonder why you feel the need the brag about it on a public message board?

In my experience most emotionally well-balanced people with money don't brag about having it.

Think of guys like Sam Walton or Warren Buffet, for example.

No, I suspect you're just a wannabe.

Whatever, macht nichts.

I always have contended that the gamblers who are really making money are quietly sipping pina coladas on the beach or at the pool of their favorite casino of that particular week. They dont give a shit if a handful of anonymous people know about them. They are content to live the good life.

Singer had his 15 minutes of fame, and seems to want to regain that level of respect. But its just not there....and it seems to be tearing him up to the point where he needs to engage meaningless people in his life with insults and bigoted remarks.

so yeah dont piss on my leg with a weak old mans stream of urine and tell me its raining. Things just dont add up to be what he says things are.

reminds me of poorer bred version of john patrick. Another dude that craves the spotlight and the attention but alas has seen it fade away never to return.

patrick has his stanton........singer has his alan.

and thats it........each has the one deluded person that worships the ground he walks on. And patrick/singer is king of the castle,,a castle of 2 people.

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Bob Dancer tries using the stupid phrase "playing less hands/slowly/low denominations is fine if you're playing for entertainment on 99.9999% games". But he looks so foolish when he spews such nonsense. I've won more than him--not because I play more than him....hey, he's a poker machine's addict's addict. But because he loses and I don't. Why? He's still playing, working, and paying Shirley like a dog, and he's OLDER than me. I spend $3000-6000/week as I will for the rest of my life, enjoying travel and retirement the way it was meant to be enjoyed. He, like most ap's are stuck in the same old rut that leads to nowhere.

So please wise up axel and try to stop saying dumb things. It would be different if you had good knowledge on what I do but you don't show that you do....even though I believe you'd get it like my ap friend in LV does.

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Says the guy with piddly $800-1200 judgements against him running from bill collector's in a POS camper truck.

just an aside...patrick hasnt posted for a month and a half......his board is having posts go thru..so "the girl" must be taking over in that respect.

However since its not a broken site as it was before....there may be health reasons afoot.....

unless he couldnt pay the electric bill or had to hock his electronics

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Exactly how is it "wrong" after I've won so much using it....while you have no idea what it is about? The lazy way as I said is for people to simply say it's not a winner because it's played on less than 100% games. I suppose you'd say it IS a winner if played on a 100.17% game right? And that is as ignorant and close-minded as it gets.

So please wise up axel and try to stop saying dumb things.

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Rob, it is you that are saying dumb things. Things that just don't add up. And that's what this is about. It isn't personal. But your math just doesn't add up.

I am sure you have seen me post "it isn't that hard or doesn't take that much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking". That is a 2 part process. When someone makes some claim...."I did this", "I did that", "I won this", "I won that", step 1 is does the math add up. If someone claims to have made such and such playing machines, what are they doing to make their play +EV, where you could be a longterm winner? And similarly if someone makes similar claims, regarding blackjack, or craps, or roulette, what are they doing to turn the game +EV and a longterm winner?

Machine AP's such as mickey, Monet, Axel, RS have explained what they do that makes their play +EV and a longterm winner. The BJ players, such as myself, jbjb, MaxPen (I am including MaxPen with the BJ guys. I think he does more than that, but frankly we need more representation...lol) tell you what we do, card counting, I think jbjb has mentioned hole carding with his team, that makes our play +EV or a longterm winner.

So that is the first hurdle. Does the math add up? Is it mathematically possible. Rob, you simply have failed to clear that first hurdle.

IF the math adds up, the next step or hurdle is to read what the person says. Do they know what they are talking about? Say things founded in mathematical principals? Are they credibile? Quite frankly, you fail here as well, because at this stage all you do is resort to personal attacks against anyone who points out that you have failed the first hurdle. But that doesn't even matter because you have failed that first hurdle. The math doesn't add up.

So it just is not personal. It doesn't matter if someone likes you or dislikes you, or can relate to you. In this case, you simple fail to clear the first hurdle....the math simply doesn't add up.

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It would be different if you had good knowledge on what I do but you don't show that you do....even though I believe you'd get it like my ap friend in LV does.

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Can you get this AP friend to post here, and tell us his experiences? (hopefully not from any of your matching IP addresses?). I have requested that before. I would like to see someone else (real) tell us their experiences playing your "system". So far the only supporters I have seen are Alan and Slingshot, two people that both admit they don't play or even know your system. So let's hear from this AP friend.

AP's can back up their claims with math and many other facts. System player's can't and won't ever back anything up with any proof what so ever. That should tell you something.

Alan will want.AP proof. OK, no problem put up enough money and and someone will show proof. Ask Rob and other system players to do the same and it will never happen. You all come up with BS like I don't make personal bets. Alan said that. HOWEVER I bet I can show you where he has said he Will bet.

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You all come up with BS like I don't make personal bets.

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Singer filed for bankruptcy and is too cheap to tip; what makes you think he'd pay off a losing bet?

When you look behind his veil of his bullshit all you see is more bullshit.

Continuing to engage in arguments with him is like riding the crazy train.

So far the only forum member who I believe has had a profit is Arcimede$ because I saw his tax returns. Sorry I am unable to believe the rest of you.

You can tell me your beliefs about play but without tax returns leave out your claims of winning.

Yes, Rob too.

So go ahead and explain your strategies but back off on your financial claims... unless you admit to losing like me. LOL

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So far the only forum member who I believe has had a profit is Arcimede$ because I saw his tax returns. Sorry I am unable to believe the rest of you.

You can tell me your beliefs about play but without tax returns leave out your claims of winning.

Yes, Rob too.

So go ahead and explain your strategies but back off on your financial claims... unless you admit to losing like me. LOL

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IIRC KJ offered to back up his claims with tax returns and whatnot. He just asked that someone take action for a sizable bet against his claims. Feel free to call his bet.

Speaking of claims, I noticed your son won't back up the claim you made about his 5 Royals in a day and still lost. I bet if you pay him what you owe him he might lie for you. He probably won't since he avoided commenting on it. He didnt want to call his dad a lier and he didnt want directly tell a lie himself. FYI IIRC you made an offer(bluff) for a personal bet regarding that claim. However, you claim you don't make personal bets. Were you lying then, or are you lying now?

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So far the only forum member who I believe has had
So go ahead and explain your strategies but back off on your financial claims... unless you admit to losing like me. LOL
a profit is Arcimede$ because I saw his tax returns. Sorry I am unable to believe the rest of you.

You can tell me your beliefs about play but without tax returns leave out your claims of winning.

Yes, Rob too.

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Alan, you have seriously lost your mind. You thinking you have a right to see anyone's tax return is way beyond crazy. And that kind of thing is sure to encourage new people to want to participate.

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So far the only forum member who I believe has had
So go ahead and explain your strategies but back off on your financial claims... unless you admit to losing like me. LOL
a profit is Arcimede$ because I saw his tax returns. Sorry I am unable to believe the rest of you.

You can tell me your beliefs about play but without tax returns leave out your claims of winning.

Yes, Rob too.

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Alan, you have seriously lost your mind. You thinking you have a right to see anyone's tax return is way beyond crazy. And that kind of thing is sure to encourage new people to want to participate.

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How much do you want to bet that Alan's son wants to see Alan's tax returns and win/ loss statments? Or in Alans's case, his lost my ass only statments. I would have to give you like 18 yo's in a row to 1 on that bet.

Don't worry kewlj. You've already said you'll never prove anything you write on a forum. We all heard that loud and clear.

AxelWolf I'm just putting you on notice that I don't believe any of you. Wanna prove me wrong? Go ahead.

Want to argue your side? Argue away.

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Don't worry kewlj. You've already said you'll never prove anything you write on a forum. We all heard that loud and clear.

AxelWolf I'm just putting you on notice that I don't believe any of you. Wanna prove me wrong? Go ahead.

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OHH NO WE ARE ALL ON NOTICE FROM ALAN!!!!! The guy who claims to have seen 18 yo's in a row and a bunch of other ridiculous events is a nonbeliver in facts and reality.
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Alan, I have been on to you for a long time now. You want to learn how it's done, and I get that. You think you can goad people into giving up free information. It may work on some people but it won't work on me and most of the AP's here. Make it worthwhile and you will get whatver proof you want. And again, proving YOU wrong just because it's you is less exciting than proving a preteen wrong.

The only one that ever got put on a legit notice here.... is you from your son.

What is a standard in the world of gambling is that when you request any AP to prove their claims that they win, the next words out of their mouths are "the fact that I play AP means that I win". This is why there's so many of these people.

I took this to six different casino managers in LV for an article I write for GT. All 6 said the same type of thing about it: THE ONLY AP'S WHO WIN ON MACHINES ARE THE LUCKY ONES. WHY DO YOU THINK WE CONSTANTLY HAVE ALL THESE LUCRATIVE PROMOTIONS ANYWAY?

And if you think casino managers are going to give true information to YOU, you are sadly mistaken!

Funny how the lucrative promotions get canceled midway through the day.

Guys....I had a great relationship with the Wynn (they put in machines I requested in order to get the local AP's in to play) Palms, Hard Rock and several others, and guess were the execs I interviewed for the story. They had no reason to lie, and what they all said made complete sense. I know that you don't want it to be that way, but sadly, it is.

There are good promos that do get cancelled mid-stream. There are also a lot more that do not.

AxelWolf you don't believe I saw a random shooter throw 18 yos in a row. That's fine. So what?

Keep tipping $350 a week in local bars. You're doing fine.

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Guys....I had a great relationship with the Wynn (they put in machines I requested in order to get the local AP's in to play) Palms, Hard Rock and several others, and guess were the execs I interviewed for the story. They had no reason to lie, and what they all said made complete sense. I know that you don't want it to be that way, but sadly, it is.

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Rob, are these the same casino execs that you claim told you card counting is no longer possible?

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Guys....I had a great relationship with the Wynn (they put in machines I requested in order to get the local AP's in to play) Palms, Hard Rock and several others, and guess were the execs I interviewed for the story. They had no reason to lie, and what they all said made complete sense. I know that you don't want it to be that way, but sadly, it is.

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Rob, are these the same casino execs that you claim told you card counting is no longer possible?

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No. Only one of them. And until you prove that you can still make five figures "counting cards" no sane person could believe you.

Oh that's right....you think you're still on WoV or some bastardized BJ forum, where if the words "Hey guys, I'm an AP....look at me!!" are written, no proof is necessary BECAUSE YOU SAY SO! :)

It doesn't get any more stupid than that.

I've met plenty of APs who sleep in their cars, have sold their WSOP bracelets, or live with their brother or elderly parents. Yes, they all introduced themselves as APs.

I've been civil about it... but no more.

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Guys....I had a great relationship with the Wynn (they put in machines I requested in order to get the local AP's in to play) Palms, Hard Rock and several others, and guess were the execs I interviewed for the story. They had no reason to lie, and what they all said made complete sense. I know that you don't want it to be that way, but sadly, it is.

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Rob, are these the same casino execs that you claim told you card counting is no longer possible?

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No. Only one of them. And until you prove that you can still make five figures "counting cards" no sane person could believe you.

Oh that's right....you think you're still on WoV or some bastardized BJ forum, where if the words "Hey guys, I'm an AP....look at me!!" are written, no proof is necessary BECAUSE YOU SAY SO! :)

It doesn't get any more stupid than that.

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The fact is they have every reason to lie to you. They were using you and anyone else that will publish their propaganda. And you are too stupid to even realize it. All you have to do is look at what they do vs what they say.

Take the Hard Rock for example. They are super paranoid of card counters. They spend a ton of money on card counting counter measures...far, far more than they lose to card counters. They subscribe to every database service and hire just about every consultant that comes knocking at their door. They have an aggressive approach to backing off and barring card counters. So much so that for every legit card counter they counter measure, they are counter measuring probably 10 legitimate -EV players, who were either not counting or not doing it well enough or properly bankrolled enough to do any harm. Case in point would be the very public backoff of one Ben Affleck, who probably wasn't even playing a +EV game.

So them telling you or anyone that will listen that card counting doesn't work, while spending huge amounts to try to stop card counters should raise a red flag to anyone with half a brain.

It's the same exact thing with machine play and machine AP. You follow the money, follow their actions, not what propaganda they are telling you, hoping you will help get their fake message out.

Rob, I don't believe you are this stupid. I believe you have half a brain.....USE IT! Use a little common sense. This is the problem with you college educated guys. You think and tell us that you are soooo smart. But more often than not you have the common sense of a brick.

Uh oh. It's the world famous problem of educated people.

"This is the problem with you college educated guys. You think and tell us that you are soooo smart. But more often than not you have the common sense of a brink." ~kewlj 7/20/18

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I've met plenty of APs who sleep in their cars, have sold their WSOP bracelets, or live with their brother or elderly parents. Yes, they all introduced themselves as APs.

I've been civil about it... but no more.

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I live with my brother what about it? I am a legitimate blackjack AP and my brother is as well. Most people that know of me, know that. It just doesn't take much to figure that out. My brother happens to be my blackjack partner. And together we just purchased a $300 thousand dollar condominium. So what of it?

Anyone claiming to be an AP that lives in their car, is lying to you (and probably to themself). Just the same as there are some degenerate gamblers who tell us they play with in their means, but meanwhile, have debts out their ass, including family members who they ignore phone calls, messages and emails. Sound familiar Alan?

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you have the common sense of a brink.

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WTF is a "brink?"

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Brink is a misspelling of brick. Really you couldn't figure THAT out?

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Anyone claiming to be an AP that lives in their car, is lying to you (and probably to themself). Just the same as there are some degenerate gamblers who tell us they play with in their means, but meanwhile, have debts out their ass, including family members who they ignore phone calls, messages and emails. Sound familiar Alan?

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It should.

Not that there is anything wrong with being a compulsive gambler (snort, chuckle, guffaw)

Gee kewlj you really do have a me, me, me problem. I wasn't referring to you.

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Brink is a misspelling of brick. Really you couldn't figure THAT out?

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LOL, I guess I must be "thick as a brink."


*my apologies go out to Jethro Tull*

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Gee kewlj you really do have a me, me, me problem. I wasn't referring to you.

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I know you weren't but it was a stupid example. Probably a made up example of people that don't exist (similar to the 18 y.o.'s in a row that doesn't exist). So I countered with and example that does exist.

For what it is worth, I have personal experience of what you were talking of. Shortly after I moved to Vegas, I met a poker player, who lived in his car. Yeah, he received some comped rooms from the evil empire lower end properties, like Imperial palace (at the time) Bally's, Flamingo. Geez, all the Evil Empire properties have now declined into that "lower end" properties now, except Caesars. :D But that's another story.

So anyway, during a couple chilly nights, I offered him to crash at my condo just off the strip. It was a small one bedroom, so he had to crash on the sofa in the living room. Before long he was living there. Stayed with me 6 years, through 2 moves and into my current house, before I finally got him out last year. He rarely had any money. Was always on the receiving end of a bad beat. And yet, he always called himself a professional poker player. So yeah, I know the type.

But I am also smart enough to be able to identify the real deal. And the AP's on this site, are the real deal. If you haven't figured that out Alan, then you just are not very smart. Now I am not saying everyone claiming to be an AP and all there claims are real. I am just saying the small handful on this site, are. Not a doubt in my mind.