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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

I think ZenKing only puts in 2 hours a week. Ok, I'm under-exaggerating, but he doesn't put in many hours.

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Well, how much are you under-exaggerating by? By his own admission, Zenking isn't playing high enough stakes to only be putting in a handful of hours. At the stakes he says he plays, max bet in the 2x$250 range, he really should be a grinder type player putting in decent hours to make any decent money.

Unless of course blackjack has become a part-time thing for him. Is he doing other AP stuff (or non-AP stuff) to make a living and blackjack is just a small part of that now?

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95% sure he just plays blackjack. He might be doing 20 hours a week, and he might have upped his base bet. I don't pay that much attention to all that.

I don't think he will care that I mention this, but he just got rear-ended(by a car that is) His car was totaled. But, other than that, he seems to be doing well. Nice place, has money, has freedom, and has friends.

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I am sorry to hear about his car troubles. 20 hours a week is ok. If you actually put in 20 hours of play, it probably consumes 30-40 hours of actual time. Glad to hear he is doing well and enjoying life.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by Seedvalue

Since you basically admitted to only playing a handful of hours a week your experiences mean nothing. How you part timers claim to be professionals is mind boggling. Only in the world of fake advantage players can one claim to be a pro working 14 hours a week tops lol.

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Changing gears, I wasn't going to bother to address this but have decide to do so now. You know nothing about playing blackjack and card counting for a living. Of the few "pure" card counters remaining that play for a living or significant stakes, most play a relatively small number of hours a week or month. I know guys that travel that might play 3 days a month. If it is not traveling out of town and playing "home casinos" players might play two days a week.

It is me, and a very few others that took the "grinder" approach of playing 5-6 days and 30-40 hours a week, like I did for 10 years. That is a rarity. A home base of Las Vegas is probably the only situation a player can take that approach. And now, because of circumstances, I have transitioned, more towards the limited amount of play, for higher stakes approach....at least for now.

Bottom line: stay in your lane dude. You clearly don't know shit about card counting for a living and you clearly don't know shit about me. You are just another hater making up lies.

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Says the guy that is just another hater making up lies. You said in an earlier post that Rob hand "bankruptcies." That's plural. I know of one that was long before his gambling career. If you know of more then give us the details. If you can't then you lied. You also said "evictions" That's also plural. Please list these multiple evictions or else you lied.

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Get a backer for this I don’t need one. Both of us can have someone film our play easy enough. We compare blackjack results over 1k hours of play in 9 months. Make it worth your time give me the amount your willing to bet. Since I don’t know blackjack lol. Fucking fraud

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by Seedvalue

Since you basically admitted to only playing a handful of hours a week your experiences mean nothing. How you part timers claim to be professionals is mind boggling. Only in the world of fake advantage players can one claim to be a pro working 14 hours a week tops lol.

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Changing gears, I wasn't going to bother to address this but have decide to do so now. You know nothing about playing blackjack and card counting for a living. Of the few "pure" card counters remaining that play for a living or significant stakes, most play a relatively small number of hours a week or month. I know guys that travel that might play 3 days a month. If it is not traveling out of town and playing "home casinos" players might play two days a week.

It is me, and a very few others that took the "grinder" approach of playing 5-6 days and 30-40 hours a week, like I did for 10 years. That is a rarity. A home base of Las Vegas is probably the only situation a player can take that approach. And now, because of circumstances, I have transitioned, more towards the limited amount of play, for higher stakes approach....at least for now.

Bottom line: stay in your lane dude. You clearly don't know shit about card counting for a living and you clearly don't know shit about me. You are just another hater making up lies.

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One more thing poolstrut I don’t have ONE lane. This game the AP game is all consuming for me. Just because you are to stupid to take advantage of higher edges doesn’t mean others don’t. I walk pass blackjack games weekly that would have you sucking off the security guards just to play. I walk pass them to higher hourly bigger edges. That doesn’t mean I don’t play idiot.

Whatever, nut job.

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

I think ZenKing only puts in 2 hours a week. Ok, I'm under-exaggerating, but he doesn't put in many hours.

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Well, how much are you under-exaggerating by? By his own admission, Zenking isn't playing high enough stakes to only be putting in a handful of hours. At the stakes he says he plays, max bet in the 2x$250 range, he really should be a grinder type player putting in decent hours to make any decent money.

Unless of course blackjack has become a part-time thing for him. Is he doing other AP stuff (or non-AP stuff) to make a living and blackjack is just a small part of that now?

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95% sure he just plays blackjack. He might be doing 20 hours a week, and he might have upped his base bet. I don't pay that much attention to all that.

I don't think he will care that I mention this, but he just got rear-ended(by a car that is) His car was totaled. But, other than that, he seems to be doing well. Nice place, has money, has freedom, and has friends.

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Easter is coming up soon so we should be due for another holiday losing disaster by ZK.

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Well, how much are you under-exaggerating by? By his own admission, Zenking isn't playing high enough stakes to only be putting in a handful of hours. At the stakes he says he plays, max bet in the 2x$250 range, he really should be a grinder type player putting in decent hours to make any decent money.

Unless of course blackjack has become a part-time thing for him. Is he doing other AP stuff (or non-AP stuff) to make a living and blackjack is just a small part of that now?

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95% sure he just plays blackjack. He might be doing 20 hours a week, and he might have upped his base bet. I don't pay that much attention to all that.

I don't think he will care that I mention this, but he just got rear-ended(by a car that is) His car was totaled. But, other than that, he seems to be doing well. Nice place, has money, has freedom, and has friends.

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Easter is coming up soon so we should be due for another holiday losing disaster by ZK.

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Absolutely, it's not a matter of if, but when.

Whatever the case, he shakes it off and gets back to it.

Everyone has their own issues and ways of dealing with them. What really matters is if you can overcome those things and continue forward.

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Originally Posted by jbjb

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Well, how much are you under-exaggerating by? By his own admission, Zenking isn't playing high enough stakes to only be putting in a handful of hours. At the stakes he says he plays, max bet in the 2x$250 range, he really should be a grinder type player putting in decent hours to make any decent money.

Unless of course blackjack has become a part-time thing for him. Is he doing other AP stuff (or non-AP stuff) to make a living and blackjack is just a small part of that now?

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95% sure he just plays blackjack. He might be doing 20 hours a week, and he might have upped his base bet. I don't pay that much attention to all that.

I don't think he will care that I mention this, but he just got rear-ended(by a car that is) His car was totaled. But, other than that, he seems to be doing well. Nice place, has money, has freedom, and has friends.

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Easter is coming up soon so we should be due for another holiday losing disaster by ZK.

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In B4 hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha !!!!

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

95% sure he just plays blackjack. He might be doing 20 hours a week, and he might have upped his base bet. I don't pay that much attention to all that.

I don't think he will care that I mention this, but he just got rear-ended(by a car that is) His car was totaled. But, other than that, he seems to be doing well. Nice place, has money, has freedom, and has friends.

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Easter is coming up soon so we should be due for another holiday losing disaster by ZK.

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Absolutely, it's not a matter of if, but when.

Whatever the case, he shakes it off and gets back to it.

Everyone has their own issues and ways of dealing with them. What really matters is if you can overcome those things and continue forward.

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Whatever happened to you're former protege, the Asian gangster DJATC ?

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Originally Posted by Ozzy

Whatever happened to you're former protege, the Asian gangster DJATC ?

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He gambled all the "teams" money away playing shoot to the moon 21.

I see kew is not only jealous of me--he's jealous of all my travelling while he's always stuck in his shithole apt.

Just to irritate him a little more, we'll be staying up in the Tahoe area again this summer starting just before Memorial Day thru the end of Sept. I'll be getting in touch with boz again since he has a place up there. Kew, how are you processing the fact that the last time boz and I met up in Tahoe, I asked him if he had time to come by the RV park to meet my wife and see the Newell, but he got a call from where he bought new furniture and they were delivering it so he had to rush home.

You see kew, you make up so many stories and so many lies about people you feel so inferior to, that it's no wonder you find yourself repeating them so often.

I don't get to see many people be losers, homos, and constantly flame out all at the same time. So I relish the moment! :)

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

One of the more striking aspects of this thread is how clear it has become that Singer as a person is basically half kewlj and half redietz.

Redietz - Both of Singer and Redietz post pictures of themselves with an expensive vehicle that they don't own. Both sell systems and mock those who understand the actual math behind what they're doing. Who else does this? Both talk up a big game of the old days. Redietz talks about his glory days betting at LV and Rob talks about his glory days with the DU bug but both have become completely irrelevant dinosaurs grasping via some forum persona.


KewlJ - Kewl and Rob both like to make up random stuff on the fly about others. Both who have fantastic gambling stories - whether counting BJ in LV for a decade or winning insane UX jackpots. They both live in a complete fantasy world. Both reside with family that is not their spouse. Both are significant punching bags on this forum and I presume others. Neither can keep away because they love the drama.

I'm not even sure if I could make the call which of the 2 Rob favors. He is so much like both of them.

PS - My apologies to Redietz for making the comparison.

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Goddammit people. Can we please stay on subject here? Which one does Rob favor more?

Account, you're lazy and dishonest. I mean, c'mon. The only reason you know I don't own that vehicle is because I stated it with my Magnum P.I. analogy.

1) I drove the vehicle (there's a sad Youtube video somewhere of me driving it pathetically slowly, like 40 mph).
2) I lived in the same rather expensive home with the guy who owned the vehicle.
3) The guy helped me on many occasions, including writing a mega-speed spread comparison program.

In addition, you just lie through your teeth.

4) I don't and have never, in 45 years of handicapping, sold any systems. LOL. Where'd you get that tidbit?
5) I suspect I understand the math better than you do (my suspicion is partly based on the old 740 SAT math score).
6) The guy who owns the car can check my math if I ask (he got a perfect math SAT score).

Dude, I spent the majority of my life in the top one percent of any intelligence test you gave me and in the top one percent of any cardiovascular test. And I'm usually the dumbest guy in the room when I'm hanging with my compadres. Now it's true that I'm currently old and decrepit, but I think as a group we can still manage to do the math.

You don't quite grasp it. There was a mature handicapping culture, much, much bigger than all of the AP cultures combined, that pre-dates all of this LVA and GWAE moderne application to sports. And the people in that handicapping culture were among the best and brightest (ergo the moniker, The Computer Group, for example). You're cheering on a handful of blackjack players and machine players and math guys trying to switch over to sports betting. And they may or may not even be qualified to teach freshman college probability.

Of course, the little pool of "APs" were going to migrate to sports as sports betting became ubiquitous. I don't think you grasp how lacking in expertise you really are, and how outnumbered you really are. The old Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

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Originally Posted by redietz

Account, you're lazy and dishonest. I mean, c'mon. The only reason you know I don't own that vehicle is because I stated it with my Magnum P.I. analogy.

1) I drove the vehicle (there's a sad Youtube video somewhere of me driving it pathetically slowly, like 40 mph).
2) I lived in the same rather expensive home with the guy who owned the vehicle.
3) The guy helped me on many occasions, including writing a mega-speed spread comparison program.

In addition, you just lie through your teeth.

4) I don't and have never, in 45 years of handicapping, sold any systems. LOL. Where'd you get that tidbit?
5) I suspect I understand the math better than you do (my suspicion is partly based on the old 740 SAT math score).
6) The guy who owns the car can check my math if I ask (he got a perfect math SAT score).

Dude, I spent the majority of my life in the top one percent of any intelligence test you gave me and in the top one percent of any cardiovascular test. And I'm usually the dumbest guy in the room when I'm hanging with my compadres. Now it's true that I'm currently old and decrepit, but I think as a group we can still manage to do the math.

You don't quite grasp it. There was a mature handicapping culture, much, much bigger than all of the AP cultures combined, that pre-dates all of this LVA and GWAE moderne application to sports. And the people in that handicapping culture were among the best and brightest (ergo the moniker, The Computer Group, for example). You're cheering on a handful of blackjack players and machine players and math guys trying to switch over to sports betting. And they may or may not even be qualified to teach freshman college probability.

Of course, the little pool of "APs" were going to migrate to sports as sports betting became ubiquitous. I don't think you grasp how lacking in expertise you really are, and how outnumbered you really are. The old Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

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Strawman Ditz at it again. Who are these AP’s that are going to migrate to sports betting? Name them. Let’s see if you can put up some facts this time. Repeat, name them. And your digs at today’s professional sportsbettors don’t fly. Its the type of shit an old loser would say.

One more question. Between AP’s and journalists which group do you think has the best chance to make it in sports betting.

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Originally Posted by redietz

I suspect I understand the math better than you do (my suspicion is partly based on the old 740 SAT math score)

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I got all "E"s on my 3rd grade report card, include an E in Arithmetic.

E was an abbreviation for "excellent"...so take that, ditz.

That's when my mommy told me that I am smart.

But I can't remember what scores I got on any of the tests I took when I was 16.

Ditz, when did you stop selling “expected value” on Integrity Sports?

Why did you quit your tout service?

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Originally Posted by redietz

I mean...I don't own...I stated...I drove...I lived in...The guy helped me...I don't and have never...I suspect I understand...check my math if I ask...I spent...you gave me...I'm usually...I'm hanging...I'm currently old...I think...I don't think

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

I see kew is not only jealous of me--

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Yeah, you got me Rob. I am jealous of a geriatric, pudgy, bald, Larry-Fine looking, lying POS that lives off his kids. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by redietz

Account, you're lazy and dishonest. I mean, c'mon. The only reason you know I don't own that vehicle is because I stated it with my Magnum P.I. analogy.

1) I drove the vehicle (there's a sad Youtube video somewhere of me driving it pathetically slowly, like 40 mph).
2) I lived in the same rather expensive home with the guy who owned the vehicle.
3) The guy helped me on many occasions, including writing a mega-speed spread comparison program.

In addition, you just lie through your teeth.

4) I don't and have never, in 45 years of handicapping, sold any systems. LOL. Where'd you get that tidbit?
5) I suspect I understand the math better than you do (my suspicion is partly based on the old 740 SAT math score).
6) The guy who owns the car can check my math if I ask (he got a perfect math SAT score).

Dude, I spent the majority of my life in the top one percent of any intelligence test you gave me and in the top one percent of any cardiovascular test. And I'm usually the dumbest guy in the room when I'm hanging with my compadres. Now it's true that I'm currently old and decrepit, but I think as a group we can still manage to do the math.

You don't quite grasp it. There was a mature handicapping culture, much, much bigger than all of the AP cultures combined, that pre-dates all of this LVA and GWAE moderne application to sports. And the people in that handicapping culture were among the best and brightest (ergo the moniker, The Computer Group, for example). You're cheering on a handful of blackjack players and machine players and math guys trying to switch over to sports betting. And they may or may not even be qualified to teach freshman college probability.

Of course, the little pool of "APs" were going to migrate to sports as sports betting became ubiquitous. I don't think you grasp how lacking in expertise you really are, and how outnumbered you really are. The old Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

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“Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Redietz, who was crucified. He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay.”

I'm not going to argue with you but I got a 800 and sometimes a notch under but meh mistakes. Always finished with spare time. Whatever, a lot of what I say isn't to be taken literally. I try not to get too far out there in my "lies".

I happen to know the math SAT score of another poster on here and it was also a 800 but hey we're all dummies here.

Honest confession - I don't *REALLY* have a dossier on Tableplay that talks about his abuse by wedgy but the idea that I'm going wild with lies is itself a lie.

CAN WE STOP BEING PEDANTIC AND STICK ON TOPIC. IS ROB SINGER MORE LIKE KEWLJ OR MORE LIKE REDIETZ.

Speaking of tests, I recently came across an old letter from MENSA to my now-deceased mom.

Seems they were responding to a free test she took and then mailed in her answer.

It showed she scored 154 and they extended what I believe was a preliminary invitation to join.

She didn't follow up as she was very traditional: married at 19, started a family and was a home maker while my dad brought home the bacon.

Me, I'm pretty sharp but I do believe she was sharper.

Just shows you never can tell who gets blessed with brains.

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Originally Posted by redietz

I suspect I understand the math better than you do (my suspicion is partly based on the old 740 SAT math score)

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I got all "E"s on my 3rd grade report card, include an E in Arithmetic.

E was an abbreviation for "excellent"...so take that, ditz.

That's when my mommy told me that I am smart.

But I can't remember what scores I got on any of the tests I took when I was 16.

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I got so bored with school, by the 9th grade, that I would get straight F's for Fun.

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Speaking of tests, I recently came across an old letter from MENSA to my now-deceased mom.

Seems they were responding to a free test she took and then mailed in her answer.

It showed she scored 154 and they extended what I believe was a preliminary invitation to join.

She didn't follow up as she was very traditional: married at 19, started a family and was a home maker while my dad brought home the bacon.

Me, I'm pretty sharp but I do believe she was sharper.

Just shows you never can tell who gets blessed with brains.

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If your mom thought you had brains passed down from her, all that does is prove she was a no-brain.

Mensa means nothing in today's world. Don Lemon, in all his crossed-wires glory, claims to be Mensa. Work that one out.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

If your mom thought you had brains passed down from her, all that does is prove she was a no-brain.

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I'm rubber and you're glue; whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

Neener neener neener.

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Originally Posted by redietz

Account, you're lazy and dishonest. I mean, c'mon. The only reason you know I don't own that vehicle is because I stated it with my Magnum P.I. analogy.

1) I drove the vehicle (there's a sad Youtube video somewhere of me driving it pathetically slowly, like 40 mph).
2) I lived in the same rather expensive home with the guy who owned the vehicle.
3) The guy helped me on many occasions, including writing a mega-speed spread comparison program.

In addition, you just lie through your teeth.

4) I don't and have never, in 45 years of handicapping, sold any systems. LOL. Where'd you get that tidbit?
5) I suspect I understand the math better than you do (my suspicion is partly based on the old 740 SAT math score).
6) The guy who owns the car can check my math if I ask (he got a perfect math SAT score).

Dude, I spent the majority of my life in the top one percent of any intelligence test you gave me and in the top one percent of any cardiovascular test. And I'm usually the dumbest guy in the room when I'm hanging with my compadres. Now it's true that I'm currently old and decrepit, but I think as a group we can still manage to do the math.

You don't quite grasp it. There was a mature handicapping culture, much, much bigger than all of the AP cultures combined, that pre-dates all of this LVA and GWAE moderne application to sports. And the people in that handicapping culture were among the best and brightest (ergo the moniker, The Computer Group, for example). You're cheering on a handful of blackjack players and machine players and math guys trying to switch over to sports betting. And they may or may not even be qualified to teach freshman college probability.

Of course, the little pool of "APs" were going to migrate to sports as sports betting became ubiquitous. I don't think you grasp how lacking in expertise you really are, and how outnumbered you really are. The old Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

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“Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Redietz, who was crucified. He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay.”

I'm not going to argue with you but I got a 800 and sometimes a notch under but meh mistakes. Always finished with spare time. Whatever, a lot of what I say isn't to be taken literally. I try not to get too far out there in my "lies".

I happen to know the math SAT score of another poster on here and it was also a 800 but hey we're all dummies here.

Honest confession - I don't *REALLY* have a dossier on Tableplay that talks about his abuse by wedgy but the idea that I'm going wild with lies is itself a lie.

CAN WE STOP BEING PEDANTIC AND STICK ON TOPIC. IS ROB SINGER MORE LIKE KEWLJ OR MORE LIKE REDIETZ.

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The topic of this thread is sportsbetting

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

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Originally Posted by jbjb

Easter is coming up soon so we should be due for another holiday losing disaster by ZK.

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Absolutely, it's not a matter of if, but when.

Whatever the case, he shakes it off and gets back to it.

Everyone has their own issues and ways of dealing with them. What really matters is if you can overcome those things and continue forward.

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Whatever happened to you're former protege, the Asian gangster DJATC ?

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He just doesn't post anymore. He is too busy NOT HANDICAPPING and making good money doing it, along with team AP shit.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Whatever, nut job.

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Perfect response Fraud

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Mickey given the final blow you delivered to Redietz it took some creative trolling to resurrect him from that long cold forum nap. He knows that his 10-12% bullshit is EV and based on underlying opinions and yadda yadda. All I can do is proffer myself as a strawman for Redietz to come back and swing at.

However I wanted to add about why EV could be useful in sports betting. When I screwed with it, we used a version of Kelly (to make sure we were underrolled and destined to fail w/o lightning in a bottle) to choose betting sizes. I don't recall Kelly formula ATM but I'm pretty sure something akin EV is needed.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

The topic of this thread is sportsbetting

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Mickey given the final blow you delivered to Redietz it took some creative trolling to resurrect him from that long cold forum nap. He knows that his 10-12% bullshit is EV and based on underlying opinions and yadda yadda. All I can do is proffer myself as a strawman for Redietz to come back and swing at.

However I wanted to add about why EV could be useful in sports betting. When I screwed with it, we used a version of Kelly (to make sure we were underrolled and destined to fail w/o lightning in a bottle) to choose betting sizes. I don't recall Kelly formula ATM but I'm pretty sure something akin EV is needed.

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FYI, I heard somewhere that Kelly never intended his formula to be applied to gambling(I had no clue). I believe it had something to do with space travel or something like that. I don't even think he had any clue his name and formula would become famous, he probably died before that.

Sad, sad indeed.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

The topic of this thread is sportsbetting

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Mickey given the final blow you delivered to Redietz it took some creative trolling to resurrect him from that long cold forum nap. He knows that his 10-12% bullshit is EV and based on underlying opinions and yadda yadda. All I can do is proffer myself as a strawman for Redietz to come back and swing at.

However I wanted to add about why EV could be useful in sports betting. When I screwed with it, we used a version of Kelly (to make sure we were underrolled and destined to fail w/o lightning in a bottle) to choose betting sizes. I don't recall Kelly formula ATM but I'm pretty sure something akin EV is needed.

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FYI, I heard somewhere that Kelly never intended his formula to be applied to gambling(I had no clue). I believe it had something to do with space travel or something like that. I don't even think he had any clue his name and formula would become famous, he probably died before that.

Sad, sad indeed.

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Some talk about half kelly and quarter kelly. I like one thousandth kelly.

Quarter Kelly Easy. Or find can’t lose opportunities easy

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

The topic of this thread is sportsbetting

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Mickey given the final blow you delivered to Redietz it took some creative trolling to resurrect him from that long cold forum nap. He knows that his 10-12% bullshit is EV and based on underlying opinions and yadda yadda. All I can do is proffer myself as a strawman for Redietz to come back and swing at.

However I wanted to add about why EV could be useful in sports betting. When I screwed with it, we used a version of Kelly (to make sure we were underrolled and destined to fail w/o lightning in a bottle) to choose betting sizes. I don't recall Kelly formula ATM but I'm pretty sure something akin EV is needed.

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You might try actually quoting the actual page being discussed. It states "our modus operandi" is a 10-12% return on investment over a four month period. It DOES NOT state that is the "prediction."

It CERTAINLY DOES NOT state that is the "EV."

In fact, for those unfamiliar with the phrase, "modus operandi" means "manner of working." As such, it is the antithesis of an exact calculation or prediction. And, for those unfamiliar with the word, "antithesis" means the opposite of.

I expect something akin to eighth grade reading skills from mickey and account. "Akin," for mickey and account's erudition, means "of similar character."

And, finally, for mickey and account's benefit, "erudition" means "showing knowledge; scholarship."

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The topic of this thread is sportsbetting

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Mickey given the final blow you delivered to Redietz it took some creative trolling to resurrect him from that long cold forum nap. He knows that his 10-12% bullshit is EV and based on underlying opinions and yadda yadda. All I can do is proffer myself as a strawman for Redietz to come back and swing at.

However I wanted to add about why EV could be useful in sports betting. When I screwed with it, we used a version of Kelly (to make sure we were underrolled and destined to fail w/o lightning in a bottle) to choose betting sizes. I don't recall Kelly formula ATM but I'm pretty sure something akin EV is needed.

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You might try actually quoting the actual page being discussed. It states "our modus operandi" is a 10-12% return on investment over a four month period. It DOES NOT state that is the "prediction."

It CERTAINLY DOES NOT state that is the "EV."

In fact, for those unfamiliar with the phrase, "modus operandi" means "manner of working." As such, it is the antithesis of an exact calculation or prediction. And, for those unfamiliar with the word, "antithesis" means the opposite of.

I expect something akin to eighth grade reading skills from mickey and account. "Akin," for mickey and account's erudition, means "of similar character."

And, finally, for mickey and account's benefit, "erudition" means "showing knowledge; scholarship."

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Listen Fraud you can make up anything you want talk down to people, and say how smart you are to make yourself feel good but.. the bottom line is you needed other peoples money to bet with. Fucking loser fraud fuck. No respect for fucking frauds utilizing pyramid schemes to fleece people of their hard earned money. Your a Total fucking loser bro, fuck you and your make believe mobbed up friends. You have zero money

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Mickey given the final blow you delivered to Redietz it took some creative trolling to resurrect him from that long cold forum nap. He knows that his 10-12% bullshit is EV and based on underlying opinions and yadda yadda. All I can do is proffer myself as a strawman for Redietz to come back and swing at.

However I wanted to add about why EV could be useful in sports betting. When I screwed with it, we used a version of Kelly (to make sure we were underrolled and destined to fail w/o lightning in a bottle) to choose betting sizes. I don't recall Kelly formula ATM but I'm pretty sure something akin EV is needed.

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You might try actually quoting the actual page being discussed. It states "our modus operandi" is a 10-12% return on investment over a four month period. It DOES NOT state that is the "prediction."

It CERTAINLY DOES NOT state that is the "EV."

In fact, for those unfamiliar with the phrase, "modus operandi" means "manner of working." As such, it is the antithesis of an exact calculation or prediction. And, for those unfamiliar with the word, "antithesis" means the opposite of.

I expect something akin to eighth grade reading skills from mickey and account. "Akin," for mickey and account's erudition, means "of similar character."

And, finally, for mickey and account's benefit, "erudition" means "showing knowledge; scholarship."

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Listen Fraud you can make up anything you want talk down to people, and say how smart you are to make yourself feel good but.. the bottom line is you needed other peoples money to bet with. Fucking loser fraud fuck. No respect for fucking frauds utilizing pyramid schemes to fleece people of their hard earned money. Your a Total fucking loser bro, fuck you and your make believe mobbed up friends. You have zero money

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Got a problem with me come say high I’m Just north of you at Ballys. Todd can confirm IP loser fraud fuck

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You might try actually quoting the actual page being discussed. It states "our modus operandi" is a 10-12% return on investment over a four month period. It DOES NOT state that is the "prediction."

It CERTAINLY DOES NOT state that is the "EV."

In fact, for those unfamiliar with the phrase, "modus operandi" means "manner of working." As such, it is the antithesis of an exact calculation or prediction. And, for those unfamiliar with the word, "antithesis" means the opposite of.

I expect something akin to eighth grade reading skills from mickey and account. "Akin," for mickey and account's erudition, means "of similar character."

And, finally, for mickey and account's benefit, "erudition" means "showing knowledge; scholarship."

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Listen Fraud you can make up anything you want talk down to people, and say how smart you are to make yourself feel good but.. the bottom line is you needed other peoples money to bet with. Fucking loser fraud fuck. No respect for fucking frauds utilizing pyramid schemes to fleece people of their hard earned money. Your a Total fucking loser bro, fuck you and your make believe mobbed up friends. You have zero money

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Got a problem with me come say high I’m Just north of you at Ballys. Todd can confirm IP loser fraud fuck

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Never mind you’re 6 hours the opposite direction from me. I’m
Sure Sandusky got you in the showers at Penn state multiple times. That’s probably why you developed into a fraud.

When they open Danville I will be closer. Possibly dressed as a middle aged black man

Who has made money on this board not scamming people besides Mick, and rob ?

It’s always someone scamming other people for money. Or selling information. Very few actually make money it seems
Gambling. Sell courses in blackjack sell picks sell your ass

Brag about everything online tell everybody everything about all things so they go away in one week lol iodine idiots

At least Kew I can suck cocks for cash and has a skill

Does Dan win at poker ? Seriously can’t make much in those rat infested cali limit games. Jesus

Thank me for making all you sports betting morons hold up your ID next to a photo to confirm Identity. Pro tip get that done when you set up the account. Pre record a video of the same

Bet sports !!!!!! Lol

Where is Daniel/Ryan Kayal or VVinner from pocketfives.com when you need him lol. Maybe email him at @LAKERSFAN00@GMAIL.COM to join a league lolololol scamming

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Wife and I are fully vaxxed and followed all the proscribed hygienic measure put out by the CDC and thus far we avoided Covid.

My impression of masks: they help prevent someone who has covid from spreading it, as opposed to preventing a wearer from contracting it.

Did the country / world over-react?

No, as the shut down was pre-vaccines; with vaccines there is little to worry about unless you're too fucking stupid, bull-headed, and / or poliiticized to get the innoculations.

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You should make a vaccine smoothie and drink one every morning followed by a vaccine enema mixed with KewJ and his baby Bro’s man butter seed extract

With all the craziness we see on this forum, the last 12 consecutive posts in a span of 32 minutes, reads like the ramblings of a mental patient off his meds, sitting in the corner babbling to himself. A new level of sickness.

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With all the craziness we see on this forum, the last 12 consecutive posts in a span of 32 minutes, reads like the ramblings of a mental patient off his meds, sitting in the corner babbling to himself. A new level of sickness.

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Now do you over 12 years dildo rider. Go lick the ass of your security guard

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With all the craziness we see on this forum, the last 12 consecutive posts in a span of 32 minutes, reads like the ramblings of a mental patient off his meds, sitting in the corner babbling to himself. A new level of sickness.

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Now do you over 12 years dildo rider. Go lick the ass of your security guard

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..... soooooo.. tell us whats going on in your life, Seedvalue? Anything out of the ordinary you'd like to share?

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Now do you over 12 years dildo rider. Go lick the ass of your security guard

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..... soooooo.. tell us whats going on in your life, Seedvalue? Anything out of the ordinary you'd like to share?

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Nothing new bigtits beautiful day perfect weather and great to be alive. Rich as fuck and my dick is worshipped. How about you ?

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Nothing new bigtits beautiful day perfect weather and great to be alive. Rich as fuck and my dick is worshipped. How about you ?

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I just wonder why your parents gave you a 'puter after they withdrew you from fifth grande, locked your troubled ass in the basement and threw away the key?

Kids these days...

Sportsbettor, Captain Jack Andrews has made several appearances on GWAE. Here's the first one from six years ago. He gives some advice to bettors just starting out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZPEKSBIv0o

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Nothing new bigtits beautiful day perfect weather and great to be alive. Rich as fuck and my dick is worshipped. How about you ?

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I just wonder why your parents gave you a 'puter after they withdrew you from fifth grande, locked your troubled ass in the basement and threw away the key?

Kids these days...

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Nothing you have done in life has ever brought another human prosperity.

My cock has done more for humanity then everything you have done since birth

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My cock has done more for humanity then everything you have done since birth

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Your cock is writing checks that your balls can't cash.

Now pick up a book and put down that tablet, study hall is almost over.

Yeah, I know, gym class is up next and you hate it 'cause you're understandably embarrassed to be seen naked., but size isn't everything, in fact in your case it's next to nothing.

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My cock has done more for humanity then everything you have done since birth

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Your cock is writing checks that your balls can't cash.

Now pick up a book and put down that tablet, study hall is almost over.

Yeah, I know, gym class is up next and you hate it 'cause you're understandably embarrassed to be seen naked., but size isn't everything, in fact in your case it's next to nothing.

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Bet your net worth against mine. Im literally the only one willing to bet it all against what you have. I would literally escrow everything to show the world how fucking pathetic your existence has been.

But you won’t bet shit little dick because you don’t have shit. Your just another multi decade forum poster who never given one thing of value, if you die tomorrow I be surprised if more then 10 people would show up to your funeral. Loser pot head freak

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Your cock is writing checks that your balls can't cash.

Now pick up a book and put down that tablet, study hall is almost over.

Yeah, I know, gym class is up next and you hate it 'cause you're understandably embarrassed to be seen naked., but size isn't everything, in fact in your case it's next to nothing.

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Bet your net worth against mine. Im literally the only one willing to bet it all against what you have. I would literally escrow everything to show the world how fucking pathetic your existence has been.

But you won’t bet shit little dick because you don’t have shit. Your just another multi decade forum poster who never given one thing of value, if you die tomorrow I be surprised if more then 10 people would show up to your funeral. Loser pot head freak

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You Kewj and AIQ could die and it would be a net positive for humanity. That’s his much dislike I have for your type. If you three idiots did not exist on these boards there would be more real meaningful gambling discussions. But since you trolls are here these public boards will always be a waste.

And I can cash any check you can write 10 times over little dick

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Your cock is writing checks that your balls can't cash.

Now pick up a book and put down that tablet, study hall is almost over.

Yeah, I know, gym class is up next and you hate it 'cause you're understandably embarrassed to be seen naked., but size isn't everything, in fact in your case it's next to nothing.

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Bet your net worth against mine. Im literally the only one willing to bet it all against what you have. I would literally escrow everything to show the world how fucking pathetic your existence has been.

But you won’t bet shit little dick because you don’t have shit. Your just another multi decade forum poster who never given one thing of value, if you die tomorrow I be surprised if more then 10 people would show up to your funeral. Loser pot head freak

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You Kewj and AIQ could die and it would be a net positive for humanity. That’s his much dislike I have for your type. If you three idiots did not exist on these boards there would be more real meaningful gambling discussions. But since you trolls are here these public boards will always be a waste.

And I can cash any check you can write 10 times over little dick

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I don't think any 3 of us troll to the extent you do when you decide to post here. MisterV and myself at least attempt to be humorous. Most people aren't looking at old threads being obsessive. Creeper

Anyway, "I will literally escrow everything" is such nonsense that only the most incredibly naive would ever believe you.

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Oh, still trying to play "mine is bigger than yours?"

I'll concede one thing: you ARE the biggest prick on the board.

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Bwa ha ha ha

You are just SO full of shit.

Imagine, a mouth breathing hustler claiming he'd eclipse a trial attorney.

Go fuck yourself.

I read something by Bill Krakomberger lately about everybody going nuts over March Madness. He says it's a 63 game tournament that lasts for weeks but is equivalent to just a Thursday night in the regular season as far as number of games played.

The big news this week is Steve Fezzik betting 60K to win about 1.3K on the Purdue-Fairleigh Dickinson game. The spread was Purdue -23.5. FD won by 5 points. LOL. Fezzik has been taking a lot of heat on social media for the bet. They're all calling him a clown.His response: Why don't you guys show me some tickets where you had FD +23.5 points. So far all he's heard is crickets.

https://youtu.be/1YXYtIlxgaI

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I read something by Bill Krakomberger lately about everybody going nuts over March Madness. He says it's a 63 game tournament that lasts for weeks but is equivalent to just a Thursday night in the regular season as far as number of games played.

The big news this week is Steve Fezzik betting 60K to win about 1.3K on the Purdue-Fairleigh Dickinson game. The spread was Purdue -23.5. FD won by 5 points. LOL. Fezzik has been taking a lot of heat on social media for the bet. They're all calling him a clown.His response: Why don't you guys show me some tickets where you had FD +23.5 points. So far all he's heard is crickets.

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Fezzik tries very hard to make light of his Purdue bet and how it was just "not his best work". The fact is, he NEVER makes bets over $1000 unless he does as much math as possible and is ultimately extremely confident he made the right choice.

In this video, we see him trying to marginalize his knowledge of what the parameters were surrounding this wild ass bet. He's too embarrassed to say how FD totally performed exactly how a lowly-ranked tournament-worthy team actually was capable of performing, and instead used poorly analyzed Purdue guard play as his excuse. Even I would never make a bet on the moneyline for a -5000 team to win. It has no value. You're treated to Fezzik claiming how he has no idea how much he would have won if Purdue covered--which is obviously untrue.

The point is, he made no mistake--the math told him to bet Purdue, regardless how tiny the EV was, but it failed him. I expect redietz would say he bet on FD because "he knows sports".

I said before the tourney that Purdue was in the most rugged bracket I had ever seen, and not because Purdue was in it. I thought three, maybe four teams in the bracket were better than Purdue.

You were talking good non-brand teams with ORU and way underseeded Florida Atlantic. We're talking a dangerous Kentucky team. A Memphis team that beat Houston once and almost beat them a second time. A Mich State team that always plays well in the tournament. And then Tennessee and a hot (although underclassmen) Duke. That is one nasty-ass bracket. And I wasn't even mentioning Marquette because I don't know a damned thing about Marquette. Anybody betting Purdue to come out of that has serious hallucinogenic issues.

Heritage has an interesting contest. You rank the teams from 64 down to 1. Every time a team wins, you get the points you assigned to them. I had Purdue as the worst of the #1s with a 61 rating. I had Kansas as NOT a #1 with a 60 rating. I put Texas, a two seed, as a one seed above Kansas. Because, why wouldn't you? Texas just kicked the crap out of them.

Anyway, after one week, I'm sitting 105th out of roughly 3000. Creighton winning killed me, as did my alma mater, PSU, beating A&M in the first round.

Look, Fezzik is a fine contest player, arguably the best NFL contest player ever. As far as actual gambling goes, Fezzik has a few bad skeletons in his handicapping history that he has sort of publicly acknowledged. I'm sure he and the LVA/GWAE folks know to what I am referring. NFL Contest results do not in any way necessarily translate into having one iota of expertise in college hoops.

Who do I have? Well, before the conference tourneys were halfway done, I took Duke at 50-1 for dinner money. When the brackets came out, I knew I was cooked.

Most years, I have between 3k and 4K on longshots. Occasionally as much as 6K. Not this year. I'm glad I didn't. Half the teams I wanted to take ended up in that same bracket quadrant (Tennessee, Duke, FAU, ORU).

Edited to add: I am reminded that I also lost dinner money on St. Louis, which I bet before the season started at some Godforsaken odds. I had forgotten about that because it was in November, but I'm a stickler for accuracy. St. Louis was about as good as I thought, but both VCU and Fordham were much better than I anticipated. St.Louis lost to VCU in their conference tournament semi-finals.

There is no "the math" for sports betting.

LOL. That's something, like the tooth fairy and Santa Claus, people tell themselves to justify why they think they're getting something for nothing.

I like that analogy. May have to copyright it.

"The math" is personal speculation. It's like anuses. Everybody has one and some are more full of it than others. I can't copyright that. Somebody beat me to it.

There's nothing wrong with personal speculation. Heuristics. That's the gist of sports betting. Just don't call it "the math" or "EV." That's like calling your pickup line in a bar "The Method."

One of my partners always asks, "If you have the 60K, why do you need the 1.3?"

And finally, if it's correct that Fezzik rarely plays that type of money, I hope for his sake that he did not repeat his faux pas from 10 or 12 years ago. That would have been a Nicky Santoro kind of faux pas.

I'm just gonna drop this song reco here since it makes more sense in this thread...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u8teXR8VE4

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I'm just gonna drop this song reco here since it makes more sense in this thread...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u8teXR8VE4

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Bwa ha ha ha

You are just SO full of shit.

Imagine, a mouth breathing hustler claiming he'd eclipse a trial attorney.

Go fuck yourself.

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On the life of my dead father I’m confident I have more money then you. It’s doubtful you have 7 figures let alone 8. At anytime you would like to bet feel free to let me know. You’re just another fraud probably the biggest on these boards besides queerj. Trial lawyers lol. Fraud

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Oh, still trying to play "mine is bigger than yours?"

I'll concede one thing: you ARE the biggest prick on the board.

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Yeah read your post over the last 10 years. What a trial lawyer doing posting on these boards ? One that says openly he’s a plop gambler ?

Hopefully your life ends soon as I said you have not provided anything of value for one person in your entire life. I honestly hate your existence. You came
To the defense of a guy who beat his wife and did time for multiple felonies. Your life means nothing just for that

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What, did you kill your father to collect the life insurance?

Sleazy but effective.

What an AP !

As for my gambling I play for the fun of it, so I need not bet huge sums on negative expectation games.

Unlike you I've already succeeded in life, now I enjoy (and willingly piss away some of) the fruits of my success.

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There is no "the math" for sports betting.

LOL. That's something, like the tooth fairy and Santa Claus, people tell themselves to justify why they think they're getting something for nothing.

I like that analogy. May have to copyright it.

"The math" is personal speculation. It's like anuses. Everybody has one and some are more full of it than others. I can't copyright that. Somebody beat me to it.

There's nothing wrong with personal speculation. Heuristics. That's the gist of sports betting. Just don't call it "the math" or "EV." That's like calling your pickup line in a bar "The Method."

One of my partners always asks, "If you have the 60K, why do you need the 1.3?"

And finally, if it's correct that Fezzik rarely plays that type of money, I hope for his sake that he did not repeat his faux pas from 10 or 12 years ago. That would have been a Nicky Santoro kind of faux pas.

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LOL Where do the numbers come from for sides, totals and money lines if no math is involved. Can you get a noted professional sportsbettor to agree with you? No, you can't. So far, saying no math is involved is the stupidest thing you've ever said.

Who said Fezzik needed the 1.3K? He obviously didn't need the 60K or he wouldn't have bet it.

Professional Sportsbettors appearing in this thread that use the math:

Frank B.
Spanky
Porter
Capt. Jack Andrews
Steve Fezzik

Professional Sportsbettors appearing in this thread that don't use the math:

Bob Dietz

This sportsbettor, Mathew Buchalter, like Fezzik, is an actuary. Amazing how many of these guys have math based degree's. This guy's website is called Plus EV Analytics. He teaches the mathematics of sportsbetting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2_JfITxzdQ&t=128s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjZGwdtqJCA&t=1357s

More Buchalter on a podcast called Profit From Perspective:

https://youtu.be/HUZuGf8FNko

This thread is work of art.

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Here's hoping "Plus EV Analytics" heads a "seminar" at BetBash.

The great thing about running a shop called Plus EV Analytics is that you don't have to know diddly about sports. LOL. They're not just Jacks of All Trades. Their PhD's ( I say that with both ironic sarcasm and respect, as my late wife had two of them).

And then we have the rather obvious question. What's to prevent someone who knows sports (or rather, a particular sport) from exercising every math skill the alleged "Plus EV Analytics" folks display? Do they have secret formulas? Wisdom handed down from gnostic masters? Clairvoyance? Venusian calculus?

I mean, there's nothing that prevents some poor soul such as, say -- wait for it -- Billy Walters, from hiring the absolute best from math fields, getting the best programmers, and the best minds, and simply folding all of that into what he does.

Oh wait, he already has been doing that. For about 40 years.

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More Buchalter on a podcast called Profit From Perspective:

https://youtu.be/HUZuGf8FNko

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Here's hoping "Plus EV Analytics" heads a "seminar" at BetBash.

The great thing about running a shop called Plus EV Analytics is that you don't have to know diddly about sports. LOL. They're not just Jacks of All Trades. Their PhD's ( I say that with both ironic sarcasm and respect, as my late wife had two of them).

And then we have the rather obvious question. What's to prevent someone who knows sports (or rather, a particular sport) from exercising every math skill the alleged "Plus EV Analytics" folks display? Do they have secret formulas? Wisdom handed down from gnostic masters? Clairvoyance? Venusian calculus?

I mean, there's nothing that prevents some poor soul such as, say -- wait for it -- Billy Walters, from hiring the absolute best from math fields, getting the best programmers, and the best minds, and simply folding all of that into what he does.

Oh wait, he already has been doing that. For about 40 years.

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What a bizarre argument.

You guys are a trip. Sports betting has, for decades, been a much larger enterprise than all of the various AP angled nonsense on this forum combined. Do you really believe over the last 60 years that multi-millionaires haven't been hiring the best programmers to data mine every sport for every correlation on the planet, to run simulations out the wazoo, to hire math experts from all fields -- logistics, probability, calculus, and programming -- in attempts to solve each sport?

I mean, to quote Wesley Snipes in the movie Dolemite, what planet are you from? There have been shingles hung claiming to have attacked sports betting from every cutting-edge angle with whatever was available at that point in time, and it's been going on for 60 years.

This ain't card counting.

How can you give a ROI on your tout service without the concept of EV?

Redietz, you're becoming more and more nonsensical if you don't realize it.

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Did you really just stoop to this level? I have heard that you can be condescending and talk down to people. :rolleyes:

The basis of card counting may be elementary and nothing new. But finding ways to implement it and apply variations of age old techniques against an industry that has spent more time, money, technology trying to stop card counters in particular is what takes innovation and creativity that people like you can't possibly understand. YOU try earning a living via card counting for just one year and then get back to me and see if you still want to put card counters down. I think you would last about a week.

You aren't even arguing with a card counter and yet you felt the need to put card counters down trying to elevate yourself (I guess), simply because you are having a hard time these days explaining what you do and have done. :rolleyes:

You may look down on card counters, but I can tell you this much...anyone who has looked into me, my brother (as a number have done recently) or any other card counter that I know, won't find unpaid tax bills. :rolleyes:

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would you feel better about his service if he posted some screenshots of the tickets on his winning wagers_______?

he's offered to do that in the past

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You guys are a trip. Sports betting has, for decades, been a much larger enterprise than all of the various AP angled nonsense on this forum combined. Do you really believe over the last 60 years that multi-millionaires haven't been hiring the best programmers to data mine every sport for every correlation on the planet, to run simulations out the wazoo, to hire math experts from all fields -- logistics, probability, calculus, and programming -- in attempts to solve each sport?

I mean, to quote Wesley Snipes in the movie Dolemite, what planet are you from? There have been shingles hung claiming to have attacked sports betting from every cutting-edge angle with whatever was available at that point in time, and it's been going on for 60 years.

This ain't card counting.

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What is the position you think you are arguing against?

https://twitter.com/bookslimitingus lol Redietz and his nonsense.

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More Buchalter on a podcast called Profit From Perspective:

https://youtu.be/HUZuGf8FNko

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Here's hoping "Plus EV Analytics" heads a "seminar" at BetBash.

The great thing about running a shop called Plus EV Analytics is that you don't have to know diddly about sports. LOL. They're not just Jacks of All Trades. Their PhD's ( I say that with both ironic sarcasm and respect, as my late wife had two of them).

And then we have the rather obvious question. What's to prevent someone who knows sports (or rather, a particular sport) from exercising every math skill the alleged "Plus EV Analytics" folks display? Do they have secret formulas? Wisdom handed down from gnostic masters? Clairvoyance? Venusian calculus?

I mean, there's nothing that prevents some poor soul such as, say -- wait for it -- Billy Walters, from hiring the absolute best from math fields, getting the best programmers, and the best minds, and simply folding all of that into what he does.

Oh wait, he already has been doing that. For about 40 years.

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Ditz, you are getting more and more bizarre....taking my side of the argument. Lay off the weed. You just admitted Walter's was doing exactly what I'VE BEEN SAYING he was doing.

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You guys are a trip. Sports betting has, for decades, been a much larger enterprise than all of the various AP angled nonsense on this forum combined. Do you really believe over the last 60 years that multi-millionaires haven't been hiring the best programmers to data mine every sport for every correlation on the planet, to run simulations out the wazoo, to hire math experts from all fields -- logistics, probability, calculus, and programming -- in attempts to solve each sport?

I mean, to quote Wesley Snipes in the movie Dolemite, what planet are you from? There have been shingles hung claiming to have attacked sports betting from every cutting-edge angle with whatever was available at that point in time, and it's been going on for 60 years.

This ain't card counting.

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Thanks for confirming that math is used in sports betting. If AP's, as you say, don't have what it takes to make it in sports betting, could you explain to us why journalists have the right background to be excellent professional sports bettors?

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Originally Posted by redietz

You guys are a trip. Sports betting has, for decades, been a much larger enterprise than all of the various AP angled nonsense on this forum combined. Do you really believe over the last 60 years that multi-millionaires haven't been hiring the best programmers to data mine every sport for every correlation on the planet, to run simulations out the wazoo, to hire math experts from all fields -- logistics, probability, calculus, and programming -- in attempts to solve each sport?

I mean, to quote Wesley Snipes in the movie Dolemite, what planet are you from? There have been shingles hung claiming to have attacked sports betting from every cutting-edge angle with whatever was available at that point in time, and it's been going on for 60 years.

This ain't card counting.

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Thanks for confirming that math is used in sports betting. If AP's, as you say, don't have what it takes to make it in sports betting, could you explain to us why journalists have the right background to be excellent professional sports bettors?

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When interviewed in the past as to why I've been able to win betting college football, I have always given the same answer as to what I'd suggest is necessary (but not sufficient). A degree in journalism is not one of the requirements.

Mickey Crimm on Gambling With an Edge. The YouTube version is better than the LV Advisor site https://youtu.be/zcD6Q_0_9Gc