No amount of Hollywooding is going to give you 20 years of play in the same town.
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No amount of Hollywooding is going to give you 20 years of play in the same town.
I guess I should add one caveat. Players can and do over. Do any kind of "act" they adopt.
If you are going to see some of the same pit folks and even dealers and they see you win frequently, and then all of the sudden you pretend not to know of you should hit 14 vs 19 or double 11 vs 6, your act will fail and do much more harm that good.
But be selective in specific situations and you have zero cost cover that is valuable to longevity.
Not by itself. It is one of many tools.
I also have a story of not me but other well known players adopting a gay "persona". Two of them actually. The thinking was that even a pit guy that personally doesn't like gays, will hesitate to back off such a person. Especially with women at the table.
It might be the case, but it also creates a situation where you are more easily remembered on a return visit. And THAT is more harm than good.
Come to think of it doesn't KJ's argument against Mdawg, that he wouldn't be allowed to win in the way that he has, work against KJ himself?
In other words they would notice that he's winning $100k per casino (or whatever) over a long stretch of play at a relatively low average bet.
Haven't we been over this a hundred (or more) times? I am not sure if you are stupid (I don't think so) or just playing stupid, but you are pretty convincing. :rolleyes:
When I wore out my welcome in Atlantic City and moved to Vegas 15 years ago (not 20), I specifically came up with and implemented a plan that I thought and hoped would allow for some longevity. It isn't any one thing, but a hundred different little things, many that I have shared or mentioned from time to time. A couple smaller or minor things mentioned today.
But the big things are 1) playing unrated. This makes it harder for casinos to track your long-term results over many different sessions. Harder but not impossible if they are good.
2), short sessions. This makes it less likely that any one session will be a huge winning session....the kind that someone has to answer for. THAT is a definite thing would want to avoid.
3) playing amounts and spread that are well tolerated. Max Bets of under $500 ($500 a key threshold) are pretty well tolerated at most mid size and larger casinos for short periods of time.
4) a large rotation of games. THIS is actually one of the strengths of Las Vegas. Not the greatest games in the country but many playable games. I always had a rotation of 30 casinos or more, many of them with multiple pits. This is so you don't see the same people daily or even weekly. You might see them once or twice a month. Guess what that is exactly like a non-AP player.
These are the principal points of the plan I designed and implemented for about 12 years. The last several years since covid a little different playing higher stakes during busy times.
But then there are many, many smaller things.
It is best not to be the largest bettor at the table.
Chip inventory allows you to skip the buy-in and first interaction with pit.
Like wise, don't color up. And don't cash out immediately after playing.
If I do buy-in for cash it is for a small amount. several of my smaller bets. You can always buy-in for more if the count warrants it. But it avoid the big tell of buying in for $2000 and betting $25. That screams card counter, and I will be betting big at some point.
Exiting at the shuffle after showing your top wager. This avoids the huge tell of a card counter of retreating back to smaller wagers and fits nicely with short sessions.
Card counter Basic Strategy, so as not to play the same hand differently. Another sign of a card counter.
Other "cover plays" and act like I mentioned earlier today.
Any of this sound familiar? It is the whole package. Every little thing contributes to longevity and being welcome to play.
And in the event that something occurred that is problematic, like a backoff, or other heat issue, including database entries, you have to be able to know that and avoid that casino for a little while.
Now contrast that to a guy who plays rated, so they know exactly what he wins or losses. A guy who claims to spread 1-50 ($100-$5000), which is definitely outside every casinos comfort level. A guy who tells us he plays 10 hours straight winning $60k at a time. AND that the casinos just don't care about long-term winning players.
Take off your troll and hater hat and answer honestly. Which of these scenarios make more sense to you. Which of these scenarios is used by other real and known players now or in the past. Which is real and which is a guy telling a story. Don't be afraid to answer honestly. Everyone already knows. :cool:
Actually all of these are irrelevant to my point except (4), which was already factored into my argument (you're supposed to be up $1m or whatever it is which I divided by 10 to account for the winnings occuring at multiple casinos).
I specifically referred to the problem of large cumulative win, not big scores, not getting noticed for big buy ins, not having chip inventories to avoid CTRs.
You may not be aware of this (though you certainly would if your story were true), but pit bosses make profiles in the system even for unrated players.
The main purpose is to track the unrated players for CTR compliance, and the pit bosses are pretty good about linking people to their profile by appearance. They may not get you every time and if you can avoid playing across shifts you should be able to keep separate profiles (just speculating on that), but they can definitely put together a decent record of your cumulative result.
Which of course would create quite the problem for you, since $100k is way past the tolerance threshold at the local type casinos you say you play. (Actually $100k at the bet sizes you claim will probably get looked at anywhere if anyone notices in the first place.)
But that's assuming it even goes that far, because the pit will notice your cumulative win well before that, and putting it together with the obvious indicators of counting, they'd back you off. (And think for a moment how bad it would be for them if a shift supervisor notices first and says - "So you've been letting this guy play for 10 years and he's up $100,000 and you never thought he might be up to something?")
According to my records, which are meticulous, and I am sure much more accurate than any casino has, I have only a couple casinos where my cumulative win is 6 figures. Several more reasonably close. The 30 casinos that I have in my rotation at any given time aren't necessarily the same 30 for the last 15 years. Some have closed, others opened or re-opened. Some the conditions worsened, and I dropped them, a few conditions improve and are added. This one doesn't happen often but it does happen. So my individual casino records for blackjack play in Las Vegas comprise 50-60 casinos, not just 30. Additionally, I make several trip a year to other locations to play blackjack. Almost always 1 or 2 trips to Pa area to play blackjack and visit friends. I play a little bit in California, the Gulf Coast areas, Arizona, Colorado, The Pacific Northwest, although not often, and for a while Reno at least once a year, sometimes twice a year, although I don't see myself returning to Reno anytime. Just too much problems that follow you home. All told I have well over 100, probably over 120 casinos that I have cumulative numbers for. And of 1.6 million in blackjack earnings, do the math. That is an average of $16,000 per casino. Now like I said there are some much higher. But that is what spreading your play around is all about.
And the unrated part is huge. Yes, casinos can still track you if you are a regular player that has drawn their attention. But that is what you are working hard to avoid. And when evaluations are ordered on an anonymous player, which takes 30 minutes or more, and that player exits during the evaluation (short session), you know what happen? That partial evaluation is trash. With a player playing rated, they can save that partial and pick up next time. With an anonymous player, it is trash can material. I learned that from my pit friend. :)
You mentioned CTR, that is another reason to play short sessions. Sort of already mentioned with the not creating situations someone has to answer for. You still could have a big win session, where you do really well on the big bets for a shoe or two, but they become much more rare.
Look, dude, You can believe what you want. And you will. That is fine. But it is like mickey said, you know the truth. You and the other haters. It isn't what you want it to be, so you I guess are lying to yourself. THAT makes a lot of sense. :cool:
For the record, I never really shared exactly many of the things I do and techniques I employ that allow for longevity, in one post like I just did. I have always shared little tidbits here and there, so player might read and find something that can benefit their own game and situation. But I never showed the whole plan in one place like that. I can only now do that because that is no longer the way I play. At least not the majority. That was the mid-level mid level plan that I was for about 12 years here in Vegas. I am on to something else now. :)
So now it's 60 casinos and travelling to multiple states to play.
Bingo. By all means play the max bet as your initial bet. Good Lord.
I have never played any glitched BJ machine (I don't count the 3 to 2 for a black jack after a split on some older IGT Game Kings that I played as a glitched machine - it's an oddball setting or unintended setting but it has nothing to do with this glitch that KewlJ is describing). I was giving a strategy example within the context of KewlJ's glitched machine. Basically, the ability to quadruple one's bet is a very powerful aspect of this glitch. I'm sure we can all think of other examples to exploit the quadrupling of one's initial bet - I was giving one example. I'm pretty sure everyone reading this thread understood what I was trying to write (you certainly did), it was extremely simple.
If you and your lies and made-up stories were true, you'd be able to explain your original bs in the same type of shorter, very succinct posts that these guys are tearing your baloney up with.
Rather, because all you ever do is come up with zero-value excuses, adoptive counter-tales, and ineffective flailing that always fails to convince, you ramble on thinking "I got 'em!" when you never, ever do.
Bbbbbbutttt.....THATS NOT HOW CASINOS AND LV WORK!!
What an idiot.
Right up there with Mission146, over the years, who totally fucked off with a bit of money owed. Like who can care less about those posters, or, in general, the gambling forums. Years and years of garbage that people can't get over even after the bottom falls out. (Mission planning his comeback? Lol.)
See here's how you get into trouble. You could have just said you didn't realize initially that a re-double was possible, which would be very believable. But you won't because you always have to project the image that you know everything, so you lie and claim you always knew.
Good stuff here, it looks plausible that you spend a good amount of time at the tables. Stick to this kind of posting and you won't have so many problems.
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If you're tallying his fibs, consider his latest claim that his mother reads this forum and discusses it with him
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post178707
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I'd like to say hi to kewlj's mom reading out there.
Kewlmom, you should post on the forum. Get an account. Kewlmom works and is available.
Kew saying his mommy reads this forum--a forum where his almost daily lying is put on display nearly as much as his deserved and constant humiliation--is just another obvious bunch of BS by an attention-craving faggot who never seems to get anything right in his sorry-ass excuse of a life.
Why did Singer go out of his way to post the Newell at the dealership pictures but has been unable to come up with hellcat pics. Does he claim to have other cars too?
Seriously though... dude goes out of his way for the dealership pics but has never posted pics of these cars ........... how does that happen?
That's making things up. These "cars" (4+1 p/u) aren't worth that much to us. And I didn't go "out of my way" to post the interior Newell pics. Just the opposite. It wasn't a "dealership" either; it was at a consignment center. You're repeating kew lies because for some reason (and it aint difficult guessing why) you seem to feel a bit threatened by a few things I own(ed)--which is fairly typical of the little people.
Our rig was stored in and being worked on in Gilbert--50 miles from our Glendale home thru bad Phx. traffic. When this Newell popped up a few miles from me, I went over to take the pics for a few moans & groans. But the laugh was on me...and my lack of internet capability.
And the hives you get whenever you worry about the life we have and the lies that are told by you and others in order to cope? Irrelevant.....but FUN! :)
I am SOOO over Rob and the Newell thing, but this is just TOOO funny. A guy owns a million dollar RV. After years of not doing so, he decides he wants to post some pictures to prove his claim. But his million dollar RV is 50 miles away. So he goes to the RV dealership, or consignment shop down the street and poses in and posts pictures of someone else's RV. No Harm no foul. He owns one just like it. ;)
And I also like Rob's new claim, yesterday, first mention of a house in Europe. Great stuff Robert. Rob didn't make the money he claims from the double up bug claim (which he stole) and his other bizarre gambling claims. But if he had, it seems he has spent that money 10 times over with these fantasy claims of RV's and houses. The math just doesn't work Rob. Always comes back to the math. :cool:
one other note. The guy (Singer) filed for Bankruptcy in the late 1990's. Also in that same time period, he was evicted from an apartment and lost a legal judgement related to that eviction. These things are public record.
a dozen years later, which would be after he had make hundreds of thousands or what ever he now claims from his progressive wagering system, AND after he claims he made 2.9 million from the double up bug claim (which he stole), we find Mr Rob, living in a trailer park in beautiful downtown Pahrump. :cool: But he owns homes all over the world. :D
Ok, back to your original programming.
What am I making up?
Yea, you didn't go out of your way. You just posed for an assortment of photos at a used RV dealership then bothered posting them on the internet for us.
Yet you won't take pictures of cars your currently own and are proud of and post them. lol. They're your cars, in your possession.
Mr Leisure doesn't have the time ... lol ... but has time to drive 100 miles to take some 'snapshots' of himself in the RV.
You're just too much Singer... too much
Robert DID live in England for an unknown amount of time, that is an established fact.
The rest...not so much.
But in the end: Does it REALLY matter?
Winner as he claims, or Loser as we believe: Robert IS pretty damned "unique."
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https://imgur.com/a/L8ltblj
8 Deck
S17
DAS
Split to 2 Hands
Late Surrender
BJ pays 3/2
Max $100 Bet
Can Play 3 Hands at Once
The game is IGT copyright 2021
Shacks calculator says it’s 99.6.
Maybe Shack's calculator needs to be updated, because I don't see options for hitting and double down after double down on his calculator. :rolleyes:
Although I hear he will provide that information for a cut of the action. :D And I say that not upset with that. That is his right and an AP mentality.
As for this game, mickeycrimm, did you or have you run across it in your many travels? And if so where you able to check it out for any unusual playing options?
More hijacking of a legitimate discussion, this one started by mickeycrimm, within this already established thread.
Mdawg just proves and re-proves with every post, that he is nothing more than an obsessed, bitter, angry troll and piece of shit of a person.
And here is the sad part. You know what he is SOOO pissed about? that someone, some real player (and there were actually many) dared call out his fantasy claims and nonsense as bullshit. Ridiculous. Just go way loser (both literally and figuratively) and come back yet again with a different handle and story.
Kew, every time you either start or get involved in a thread, it's as if a virus has infected it. Your constant making-it-up-on-the-go, adjusting your tales after other posters begin exposing your lies, and the humiliating jumping up and down about posters bringing up your history of lying, shows us all what an irrelevant little twit you've always been. And all that technical blackjack blather isn't fooling anyone. Your extreme infatuation with & addiction to the game has led you into copy-posting from any source you can find. You really don't think people can see that?
This was the problem I identified almost immediately that I knew would limit our play, and it did as we began playing it. In our case it wasn't that the casinos were small like the one you describe, but if you take a look at any of these console type electronic blackjack games at any casino, they just don't get much play from the general public. So if all of the sudden someone or in our case 2 players all of the sudden play and take $150, $200 an hour (each) from the machine for multiple hours, they are going to know something is up within a couple days of pulling reports. And all they have to do is go to the video to confirm.
This is why I immediately knew there was no chance of milking this play. We needed to hit a casino until we couldn't and move on, and hit until we couldn't and move on again. It was always going to be a race against time. And other players discovering the play, which I figured would be the case would only shorten that race. I was hoping for a little more time (and money) than we got, but really am not surprised it wasn't. It was very predictable, how it would play out.
I have tried to think if there was anything we could have done differently. Possibly if you were playing a machine local to you, you could have tried to milk it, maybe playing an hour 3 times a week. But once we got on the road, and had motel and travel expenses, there was no chance of that. And if you tried to slow walk or milk the play, the more likely scenario would be someone else comes along discovers it and the play is shut down with you only getting a small amount of action. No, the only play was to hit hard and fast and quickly move to the next location.
You can't milk it because the glitch you described is extremely obvious - a menu briefly pops up and you literally just have to press the button in time and see that it works.
This would have been found day 1 in Las Vegas and everyone would have been all over it.
You should have described it as just a flicker, and if you happen to be rapidly tapping the screen where the button would have been when the flicker occurs, you can get the input registered.