I got $250 on a .25 bet.:D I was playing Diamond Lotto and I chose 123456. 123 and three diamonds in a row(Diamonds take count as winning numbers. :) , showed up and I won 1,000 times my bet or $250! :D
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I got $250 on a .25 bet.:D I was playing Diamond Lotto and I chose 123456. 123 and three diamonds in a row(Diamonds take count as winning numbers. :) , showed up and I won 1,000 times my bet or $250! :D
Karen, that pales in comparison to Robert's "claimed" $1.5 VP hit: might be time for you to elevate your game?
It's still a phenomenal hit, 1,000 times my bet. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
How much crack does that get you on the street?Quote:
Originally Posted by TashaIt's still a phenomenal hit, 1,000 times my bet. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
https://www.vice.com/en/article/7x7z...-dealers-vgtrn
By the way, only broke niggers play that game, 25% house edge per Florida law. Those other boons next to you will be wanting their money back. Take the cash and get out of there quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
This pissant continue with his incessantwhen he swore this was The End.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
Fuck off, dildoheadQuote:
Originally Posted by NikkiJosheph
From the High Limit Room @ Seminole Hard Rock yesterday. Now, I have my bankroll for Vegas next week.
Hey enchilada--because you like to post pics of these winners playing very volatile games with poor pay tables....are you inclined to believe that knowledgeable vp players wouldn't 100% believe you lose you ass in-between pics, and that you're one of those idiots who collect hundreds of thousands in signers each year only to end up a loser?
Go ahead....and don't slip & slide on the grease slick! :)
If I wasn't so lazy I'd rustle up the 1.2 million jackpot Kessler just hit. Rob could watch and learn to understand what reality jackpots look like.
Hey Gringo Singer, my wins are real....Unlike you. And, I don't post each and every win here. And, also unlike you, I don't make up bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I'll be in Vegas next week...where are the machines that you claim aren't random? Oh wait I just remembered that you're full of shit.
This thread sounds exciting! I haven't had any big wins yet, but I love seeing everyone else's success stories and photos. Can't wait to share mine when it happens!
Oh OK--you don't post every win here....:) Even a caveman understands you lose playing -EV games. Oops!---you get free buffets and beanie hats with propellers for comps. GOTTA be worth at least 3% :) Ask the expert, kew!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza FriaHey Gringo Singer, my wins are real....Unlike you. And, I don't post each and every win here. And, also unlike you, I don't make up bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I'll be in Vegas next week...where are the machines that you claim aren't random? Oh wait I just remembered that you're full of shit.
Now get your beaner ass back down to the border, sign in for your deportation hearing, and STFU!!!
Rob the Slob, why is it you have to find fault when someone else hits a nice jackpot? Says a lot about your personality, not in a good way. You're a pathetic loser, who gets his rocks off criticizing others. Just because you haven't actually hit a large jackpot, doesn't mean you have to take shots at others who do. You're a sad, stupid Gringo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerOh OK--you don't post every win here....:) Even a caveman understands you lose playing -EV games. Oops!---you get free buffets and beanie hats with propellers for comps. GOTTA be worth at least 3% :) Ask the expert, kew!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza FriaHey Gringo Singer, my wins are real....Unlike you. And, I don't post each and every win here. And, also unlike you, I don't make up bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I'll be in Vegas next week...where are the machines that you claim aren't random? Oh wait I just remembered that you're full of shit.
Now get your beaner ass back down to the border, sign in for your deportation hearing, and STFU!!!
But, here's your chance at redemption. Like I said earlier, I'll be in Vegas next week. Show your face. Show me how you're an elite AP. Show me the machines that you claim aren't random. I'll document everything on here with pics and vids. Otherwise, STFU.
Since you mentioned loving McDonald's in Alan Mendleson 's McDonald's thread, "Bot, bot, bot, bot, I'm not loving it!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamz
Very droll.Quote:
Originally Posted by TashaSince you mentioned loving McDonald's in Alan Mendleson 's McDonald's thread, "Bot, bot, bot, bot, I'm not loving it!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamz
You are definitely wising up Tasha. And far smarter than Kamala Harris! I would 100% bet you over her in an IQ test girl.Quote:
Originally Posted by TashaSince you mentioned loving McDonald's in Alan Mendleson 's McDonald's thread, "Bot, bot, bot, bot, I'm not loving it!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamz
What a dummy....and with such thin skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza FriaRob the Slob, why is it you have to find fault when someone else hits a nice jackpot? Says a lot about your personality, not in a good way. You're a pathetic loser, who gets his rocks off criticizing others. Just because you haven't actually hit a large jackpot, doesn't mean you have to take shots at others who do. You're a sad, stupid Gringo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerOh OK--you don't post every win here....:) Even a caveman understands you lose playing -EV games. Oops!---you get free buffets and beanie hats with propellers for comps. GOTTA be worth at least 3% :) Ask the expert, kew!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza Fria
Now get your beaner ass back down to the border, sign in for your deportation hearing, and STFU!!!
But, here's your chance at redemption. Like I said earlier, I'll be in Vegas next week. Show your face. Show me how you're an elite AP. Show me the machines that you claim aren't random. I'll document everything on here with pics and vids. Otherwise, STFU.
Don't you know kew turned this into a troll forum, complete with racism, misogyny, bigotry and hate?
Brush up on your insults if you want to fit in. You already got the lying part down pat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wcG4NXpnsIQuote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza FriaRob the Slob, why is it you have to find fault when someone else hits a nice jackpot? Says a lot about your personality, not in a good way. You're a pathetic loser, who gets his rocks off criticizing others. Just because you haven't actually hit a large jackpot, doesn't mean you have to take shots at others who do. You're a sad, stupid Gringo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerOh OK--you don't post every win here....:) Even a caveman understands you lose playing -EV games. Oops!---you get free buffets and beanie hats with propellers for comps. GOTTA be worth at least 3% :) Ask the expert, kew!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza Fria
Now get your beaner ass back down to the border, sign in for your deportation hearing, and STFU!!!
But, here's your chance at redemption. Like I said earlier, I'll be in Vegas next week. Show your face. Show me how you're an elite AP. Show me the machines that you claim aren't random. I'll document everything on here with pics and vids. Otherwise, STFU.
LOL. I'll be in LV next week, too. Hey, maybe Cerveza Fria is my sock. Probably not -- I actually had to look up what it meant. Sad. Very sad.
But I can wax eloquent on why the phrase "positive expectation" should not be applied to sports betting outside of bonuses and arbitrage opportunities. I know, boring stuff, but it gives me an excuse to park my ass at the South Point buffet for two hours or more.
Travel safe, abuse Singer, and report if you meet up with the ghost of KewlJ.
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Originally Posted by The BozYou are definitely wising up Tasha. And far smarter than Kamala Harris! I would 100% bet you over her in an IQ test girl.Quote:
Originally Posted by TashaSince you mentioned loving McDonald's in Alan Mendleson 's McDonald's thread, "Bot, bot, bot, bot, I'm not loving it!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamz
Tasha knows what can be, even if burdened by what has been.
More importantly, she knows what can't be, because she's unburdened by what hasn't been.
I don't recall Singer ever claiming to be an "elite AP", or that he plans to visit Las Vegas in August.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
But why not take this opportunity to meet with Mr Cold Beer, and have him provide proof that he is an elite AP?
Bring your film crew along, and videotape the interview for your blogsplat page.
For those who go nowhere/do nothing other than go to Las Vaygas: We're traveling around Idaho/Utah/far northern Nevada for much of the summer. So that equates to me staying away from that chaotic foreigner & minority laced slophole for the foreseeable future.
And for Tableside Guacamole--non-random machines? You haven't been paying attention.
Cut back on the tequila.
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Originally Posted by coach bellyI don't recall Singer ever claiming to be an "elite AP", or that he plans to visit Las Vegas in August.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
But why not take this opportunity to meet with Mr Cold Beer, and have him provide proof that he is an elite AP?
Bring your film crew along, and videotape the interview for your blogsplat page.
Too short notice to drag Dennison along, although I have no qualms about meeting people. By the way, coach, I was just invited tonight to a project up north with some Sopranos actors. I was promised a cameo. I kid you not. I don't think I can do it, it being football season and all, but if there's any way to squeeze it in, I have to consider it. It would be pretty cool.
If your videographer can't make it, then use your phone to capture the interview...makes everything less complicated anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Not sure what you mean by up north, can you narrow that down a bit?
I'm assuming it's NJ, but they've been skewing north lately with locations, so possibly Boston or Rhode Island. I'll find out tomorrow. If it's NJ or Philly, I have to consider going if I can do it midweek.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyIf your videographer can't make it, then use your phone to capture the interview...makes everything less complicated anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Not sure what you mean by up north, can you narrow that down a bit?
Instead of The Art Thief they should have made a movie named The Forum Poster
Characters far far more compelling.
I will try to watch the Art Thief. Not meaning to insult it lol. Redietz has been a cool dude lately. No need to insult anything.
I thank you tentatively. You could be insulting me so I will tentatively thank you. I fully thanked someone who was blatantly insulting me and Posters were like,"How did Karen Nathan not see that the guy was blatantly insulting her? I can't believe she couldn't see he was being sarcastic and actually blatantly insulting her.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozYou are definitely wising up Tasha. And far smarter than Kamala Harris! I would 100% bet you over her in an IQ test girl.Quote:
Originally Posted by TashaSince you mentioned loving McDonald's in Alan Mendleson 's McDonald's thread, "Bot, bot, bot, bot, I'm not loving it!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamz
Stupid Gringo, i think you're the one with thin skin. When I first found this forum, it took me 30 seconds to realize what a complete fraud your are. I just looked at your posts and saw the b.s. for what it is. And when I called you on it, you threw a hissy fit like a Maricon who ran out of vaseline. And when I offered you a chance at redemption and a chance to actually prove what you claim, you started making every excuse you could. You became as nervous as Michael Jackson at a Cub Scout Convention. Obviously you're too scared to take your chance at redemption. So never mind then. Continue on being a fraud like Christopher Mitchell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerWhat a dummy....and with such thin skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza FriaRob the Slob, why is it you have to find fault when someone else hits a nice jackpot? Says a lot about your personality, not in a good way. You're a pathetic loser, who gets his rocks off criticizing others. Just because you haven't actually hit a large jackpot, doesn't mean you have to take shots at others who do. You're a sad, stupid Gringo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
But, here's your chance at redemption. Like I said earlier, I'll be in Vegas next week. Show your face. Show me how you're an elite AP. Show me the machines that you claim aren't random. I'll document everything on here with pics and vids. Otherwise, STFU.
Don't you know kew turned this into a troll forum, complete with racism, misogyny, bigotry and hate?
Brush up on your insults if you want to fit in. You already got the lying part down pat.
About the Michael Jackson Child Molestation Cases, he paid a Settlement for the Evan/Jordan Chandler Child Molestation case and publicly admitted he regretted paying the settlement and wished he had taken it to trial. After Michael died, Jordan admitted that Michael NEVER Molested him and his Dad Evan just wanted money and forced him to lie and say that Michael molested him or he would beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza FriaStupid Gringo, i think you're the one with thin skin. When I first found this forum, it took me 30 seconds to realize what a complete fraud your are. I just looked at your posts and saw the b.s. for what it is. And when I called you on it, you threw a hissy fit like a Maricon who ran out of vaseline. And when I offered you a chance at redemption and a chance to actually prove what you claim, you started making every excuse you could. You became as nervous as Michael Jackson at a Cub Scout Convention. Obviously you're too scared to take your chance at redemption. So never mind then. Continue on being a fraud like Christopher Mitchell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerWhat a dummy....and with such thin skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza Fria
Don't you know kew turned this into a troll forum, complete with racism, misogyny, bigotry and hate?
Brush up on your insults if you want to fit in. You already got the lying part down pat.
Jordan was already an ADULT when Michael was still alive and could have easily admitted that Evan forced him to lie about Michael for money or get beaten when Jordan was still a child BEFORE Michael died, not after. Evan ended up committing Suicide just months after Michael's death.
The second Child Molestation case, Michael was set up by Martin Bashir whose last name fittingly sounds EERILY close to Basher and almost sounds like it. Martin to Michael's face complimented him and kissed his ass metaphorically and sucked up to him but behind his back straight up said,"I find Michael's closeness to Children disturbing." Martin aired the footage of Michael holding hands with Gavin Arvino, a 13 year old boy and saying,"Sharing your bed is the most loving thing you can do."
I myself thought,"I feel that Martin's Michael Jackson Documentary is going to end up with Michael being accused of Child Molestation again and lo and behold, the second Michael Jackson Child Molestation case happened VERY shortly after Martin's Michael Jackson Documentary like I felt was going to happen.
This time, Michael didn't settle out of Court and took it to Trial and was found Not Guilty of Child Molestation, beating his Trial. :)
Who do you think the fathers of Michael Jackson's kids are?Quote:
Originally Posted by TashaAbout the Michael Jackson Child Molestation Cases, he paid a Settlement for the Evan/Jordan Chandler Child Molestation case and publicly admitted he regretted paying the settlement and wished he had taken it to trial. After Michael died, Jordan admitted that Michael NEVER Molested him and his Dad Evan just wanted money and forced him to lie and say that Michael molested him or he would beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza FriaStupid Gringo, i think you're the one with thin skin. When I first found this forum, it took me 30 seconds to realize what a complete fraud your are. I just looked at your posts and saw the b.s. for what it is. And when I called you on it, you threw a hissy fit like a Maricon who ran out of vaseline. And when I offered you a chance at redemption and a chance to actually prove what you claim, you started making every excuse you could. You became as nervous as Michael Jackson at a Cub Scout Convention. Obviously you're too scared to take your chance at redemption. So never mind then. Continue on being a fraud like Christopher Mitchell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Jordan was already an ADULT when Michael was still alive and could have easily admitted that Evan forced him to lie about Michael for money or get beaten when Jordan was still a child BEFORE Michael died, not after. Evan ended up committing Suicide just months after Michael's death.
The second Child Molestation case, Michael was set up by Martin Bashir whose last name fittingly sounds EERILY close to Basher and almost sounds like it. Martin to Michael's face complimented him and kissed his ass metaphorically and sucked up to him but behind his back straight up said,"I find Michael's closeness to Children disturbing." Martin aired the footage of Michael holding hands with Gavin Arvino, a 13 year old boy and saying,"Sharing your bed is the most loving thing you can do."
I myself thought,"I feel that Martin's Michael Jackson Documentary is going to end up with Michael being accused of Child Molestation again and lo and behold, the second Michael Jackson Child Molestation case happened VERY shortly after Martin's Michael Jackson Documentary like I felt was going to happen.
This time, Michael didn't settle out of Court and took it to Trial and was found Not Guilty of Child Molestation, beating his Trial. :)
I'm not sure. I know he used a surrogate Mother for Paris, Prince, and Prince Jr. Their Biological/Surrogate Mother, Debbie Rowe got harassed by Paparazzi when Michael died and she yelled,"Leave me alone!" understandably. She wasn't even his girlfriend or married to him, she was just the Surrogate Mother for his Children and his Friend. Michael's sperm wasn't used and I have no idea who the sperm donor was.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinchingyourballsWho do you think the fathers of Michael Jackson's kids are?Quote:
Originally Posted by TashaAbout the Michael Jackson Child Molestation Cases, he paid a Settlement for the Evan/Jordan Chandler Child Molestation case and publicly admitted he regretted paying the settlement and wished he had taken it to trial. After Michael died, Jordan admitted that Michael NEVER Molested him and his Dad Evan just wanted money and forced him to lie and say that Michael molested him or he would beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza Fria
Jordan was already an ADULT when Michael was still alive and could have easily admitted that Evan forced him to lie about Michael for money or get beaten when Jordan was still a child BEFORE Michael died, not after. Evan ended up committing Suicide just months after Michael's death.
The second Child Molestation case, Michael was set up by Martin Bashir whose last name fittingly sounds EERILY close to Basher and almost sounds like it. Martin to Michael's face complimented him and kissed his ass metaphorically and sucked up to him but behind his back straight up said,"I find Michael's closeness to Children disturbing." Martin aired the footage of Michael holding hands with Gavin Arvino, a 13 year old boy and saying,"Sharing your bed is the most loving thing you can do."
I myself thought,"I feel that Martin's Michael Jackson Documentary is going to end up with Michael being accused of Child Molestation again and lo and behold, the second Michael Jackson Child Molestation case happened VERY shortly after Martin's Michael Jackson Documentary like I felt was going to happen.
This time, Michael didn't settle out of Court and took it to Trial and was found Not Guilty of Child Molestation, beating his Trial. :)
Tito?
I don't think Tito is the father of Michael Jackson's kids. IIRC the sperm donor is a White man although Prince Jr does looked mixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza Fria
There ya go, beaner, you're doing better! Study up a little more and maybe Trump will let you stay longer so you can waste even more hours playing those lousy -EV pay tables, you know, like a greaseball ameteur :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza FriaStupid Gringo, i think you're the one with thin skin. When I first found this forum, it took me 30 seconds to realize what a complete fraud your are. I just looked at your posts and saw the b.s. for what it is. And when I called you on it, you threw a hissy fit like a Maricon who ran out of vaseline. And when I offered you a chance at redemption and a chance to actually prove what you claim, you started making every excuse you could. You became as nervous as Michael Jackson at a Cub Scout Convention. Obviously you're too scared to take your chance at redemption. So never mind then. Continue on being a fraud like Christopher Mitchell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerWhat a dummy....and with such thin skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza Fria
Don't you know kew turned this into a troll forum, complete with racism, misogyny, bigotry and hate?
Brush up on your insults if you want to fit in. You already got the lying part down pat.
Have some more Mescal--and don't eat the worm this time; they sap strength. I want you at full strength when you blow the leaves outta my driveway.
Now now Robert, calm down.
Go down to your kid's basement and unwind with his VP machine: you know the one...
I don't know, I think Dot is owning Coors Light. All Coors Light's got is "gringo" but Dot's getting some solid digs in with illegal beaner references.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Hey Gringo, YOU must be a stupid Libtard, because when you are exposed, you bring up Trump. WTF, does he have to do with you being a Charlatan?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerThere ya go, beaner, you're doing better! Study up a little more and maybe Trump will let you stay longer so you can waste even more hours playing those lousy -EV pay tables, you know, like a greaseball ameteur :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza FriaStupid Gringo, i think you're the one with thin skin. When I first found this forum, it took me 30 seconds to realize what a complete fraud your are. I just looked at your posts and saw the b.s. for what it is. And when I called you on it, you threw a hissy fit like a Maricon who ran out of vaseline. And when I offered you a chance at redemption and a chance to actually prove what you claim, you started making every excuse you could. You became as nervous as Michael Jackson at a Cub Scout Convention. Obviously you're too scared to take your chance at redemption. So never mind then. Continue on being a fraud like Christopher Mitchell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Have some more Mescal--and don't eat the worm this time; they sap strength. I want you at full strength when you blow the leaves outta my driveway.
Robert, like some others here, laps up his daily dose of Kool-Aid from the MAGA dog bowl, resulting in an old-fashioned mind-fucking by a multiply convicted felonious flim-flam man.
The one with the keyboard and mouse? That one?Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
You laugh but that sing has seen some huge jackpots.
Now, MrV, my argument with you isn't that you are wrong. My argument is that the alternative is worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
I'm an old journalism major, so the Biden crew horrified me. The Biden administration has overseen the worst abuse of centralized censorship in the history of the United States. That is not hyperbole. It's not even close to hyperbole. What happened during Covid days online was as bad as anything the Soviets or Chinese have done to their populations' ability to communicate regarding important topics. Unprecedented in US history. So whatever you say about the Trumpster, I see the current Dems as worse in ways that will permanently alter American communication.
I dislike both candidates and will vote as I always do: Libertarian.
Not that I agree with their platform, I just am contrarian.
That's why you've turned to posting quite often on this hate site V. You're always looking for posts you "claim" to disagree with just to stir the pot. It's also why you falsely support kew the faggot liar, and now the tamale. These two have been absolutely excoriated by me--one a compulsive liar and the other an addicted compulsive vp loser--so you feel the need to get into the fray by lying about me....most probably because you 100%know these are nothing but little people compared to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
And this is EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT HERE--HATEFUL LYING, INSULTS, AND A FEELING OF HELPING THE LITTLE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEYRE HELPLESS!! :)
I mean, look at the beaner. He pops in after long intervals with pictures trying to get admiration for merely pushing buttons on a computer, because he sure ain't using no skills with THOSE Indian casino pay tables. And unlike you, who announces that you EXPECT to lose as you claim to play for entertainment, this bozo actually WANTS readers to believe he's a winner---just like the other minority kew! 100% chance he has a very colorful collection of w2g's while he loses every single year, and that his hands sweat grease as he gets close to landing in LV.
So I say it's great to have another controversy featuring hate, bigotry, lying, and even a little liberal political misguidance over our next president trying to ruffle the unruffleable thrown in! Get on with it!!
Maybe.
But my support for KJ is not completely fabricated: I still hold out hope that a portion of his claims are true.
IIRC you are currently traveling around the country; if I may ask, are you staying in motels or have you the use of an RV?
See this is what I mean. This is funny and entertaining to read….not like the boring copy and paste extravaganzas that loser MTurd posts constantlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerThat's why you've turned to posting quite often on this hate site V. You're always looking for posts you "claim" to disagree with just to stir the pot. It's also why you falsely support kew the faggot liar, and now the tamale. These two have been absolutely excoriated by me--one a compulsive liar and the other an addicted compulsive vp loser--so you feel the need to get into the fray by lying about me....most probably because you 100%know these are nothing but little people compared to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
And this is EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT HERE--HATEFUL LYING, INSULTS, AND A FEELING OF HELPING THE LITTLE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEYRE HELPLESS!! :)
I mean, look at the beaner. He pops in after long intervals with pictures trying to get admiration for merely pushing buttons on a computer, because he sure ain't using no skills with THOSE Indian casino pay tables. And unlike you, who announces that you EXPECT to lose as you claim to play for entertainment, this bozo actually WANTS readers to believe he's a winner---just like the other minority kew! 100% chance he has a very colorful collection of w2g's while he loses every single year, and that his hands sweat grease as he gets close to landing in LV.
So I say it's great to have another controversy featuring hate, bigotry, lying, and even a little liberal political misguidance over our next president trying to ruffle the unruffleable thrown in! Get on with it!!
1) Hey Gringo, I'm not a beaner. You can't even do an ethnic slur correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerThat's why you've turned to posting quite often on this hate site V. You're always looking for posts you "claim" to disagree with just to stir the pot. It's also why you falsely support kew the faggot liar, and now the tamale. These two have been absolutely excoriated by me--one a compulsive liar and the other an addicted compulsive vp loser--so you feel the need to get into the fray by lying about me....most probably because you 100%know these are nothing but little people compared to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
And this is EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT HERE--HATEFUL LYING, INSULTS, AND A FEELING OF HELPING THE LITTLE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEYRE HELPLESS!! :)
I mean, look at the beaner. He pops in after long intervals with pictures trying to get admiration for merely pushing buttons on a computer, because he sure ain't using no skills with THOSE Indian casino pay tables. And unlike you, who announces that you EXPECT to lose as you claim to play for entertainment, this bozo actually WANTS readers to believe he's a winner---just like the other minority kew! 100% chance he has a very colorful collection of w2g's while he loses every single year, and that his hands sweat grease as he gets close to landing in LV.
2) The only loser fraudster is YOU. Just because you consistently make up bullshit about your VP prowess with bullshit theories, doesn't mean that others do. You're projecting.
3) Just because you've never actually hit a big jackpot (taking pictures of other people's wins don't count), you try and pour water on other people's hits.
4) I never claimed to be an AP, and I only play VP occasionally. But at least my jackpots are real.
5) Shackelford never called me a fraud. You, on the other hand, he nailed perfectly.
Dealt Ax4AA
Held A__AA
Drew A4AAA
Wrong hold for TDB
Holding just the 3 Aces on TDBP is the wrong math hold, but it's the correct Singer Play Strategy hold only when playing that strategy. SPS is structured around certain imperative cash-out goals in order to go down in denomination, and continue. With it's 800 credits minimum--and possibly 4000 as you experienced here--going down in denomination has a much better chance of happening by tossing the kicker.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNKDealt Ax4AA
Held A__AA
Drew A4AAA
Wrong hold for TDB
Great example of getting lucky Jason!
I prefer not to hold the kickers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerHolding just the 3 Aces on TDBP is the wrong math hold, but it's the correct Singer Play Strategy hold only when playing that strategy. SPS is structured around certain imperative cash-out goals in order to go down in denomination, and continue. With it's 800 credits minimum--and possibly 4000 as you experienced here--going down in denomination has a much better chance of happening by tossing the kicker.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNKDealt Ax4AA
Held A__AA
Drew A4AAA
Wrong hold for TDB
Great example of getting lucky Jason!
I notice that below the denomination icon, it says "Min Bet $1.00"Quote:
Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK
I can't recall ever seeing that before.
Does that mean you must bet at least 2 credits on a 50 cent machine?
The paytable shows a column for betting 1 credit, does the Deal button not activate if you only bet 1 credit?
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Originally Posted by Rob.SingerHolding just the 3 Aces on TDBP is the wrong math hold, but it's the correct Singer Play Strategy hold only when playing that strategy. SPS is structured around certain imperative cash-out goals in order to go down in denomination, and continue. With it's 800 credits minimum--and possibly 4000 as you experienced here--going down in denomination has a much better chance of happening by tossing the kicker.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNKDealt Ax4AA
Held A__AA
Drew A4AAA
Wrong hold for TDB
Great example of getting lucky Jason!
So Singer the fraudster is advocating a hold that goes against the math. Schmuck, the whole point of playing TDB in the first place is to hit the hands with he kickers and the higher payouts. If you're going to do that, then stick to jacks or better, or someother game without the kickers. What a schmuck! Don't ever criticize anyone for playing non-optimal pay table games again. "SPS" actually stand for "Stupid Pussy Strategy".....What a stupid Gringo!
Yes, wrong hold, but Nice hit anyway. Don't listen to Singer. He's an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNKDealt Ax4AA
Held A__AA
Drew A4AAA
Wrong hold for TDB
He threw the kicker away before Singer commented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza Fria
What's the difference, mathematically, between holding the kicker vs drawing 2 cards?
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Originally Posted by coach bellyHe threw the kicker away before Singer commented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza Fria
What's the difference, mathematically, between holding the kicker vs drawing 2 cards?
Huge difference. As reflected in the payout (4000 v. 800 credits).
First coach, the illegal is furious this hit was posted by anyone but him.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyHe threw the kicker away before Singer commented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza Fria
What's the difference, mathematically, between holding the kicker vs drawing 2 cards?
Jason may already have known that tossing the kicker in this game was one of my special plays that deviated from expert strategy. He was holding the camera when he and his dad filmed the math give-up and rationale behind many of these type plays. While this particular one didn't make the cut, Alan & I discussed it many times.
Ever since I stopped playing my strategy in early 2004, I always play optimal strategy on all hands. But there's absolutely nothing wrong with taking these shots when you're playing recreationally. His win proves that. And just one hit of this kind because of how he chose to play it, very likely more than makes up for all the times he gets beat on the hold. IE---it's not like it's gonna be dealt to him a thousand times.
The higher variance play is keeping the kicker. The "special play" (aka special education) is just lower variance and expectation.
Less gamble , less likely to hit a big hand, lose more money.
What sort of idiocy is this shit?
I never tried playing less than max bet on these machines. They are bar top games, not sure if that makes a difference. This casino is so massive, crowded, crammed, and loud I hate going here. I only go because the free play offers are worth it. I'll look and see if it is on other machines as well as other denominations.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyI notice that below the denomination icon, it says "Min Bet $1.00"Quote:
Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK
I can't recall ever seeing that before.
Does that mean you must bet at least 2 credits on a 50 cent machine?
The paytable shows a column for betting 1 credit, does the Deal button not activate if you only bet 1 credit?
I've been doing "Special Plays" like Rob describes even before I met him.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
None of you will ever play enough hands of video poker to realize these mathematical returns. I'd rather pull two cards for a chance at an Ace and possibly also get a kicker...
Holding 4 cards for 1 shot at an Ace that is a 1 in 47 chance at pulling the case Ace. I can't even count how many open ended straights I've held and can't even hit 1 of 8 cards when having an 8 in 47 chance...
Some of my special plays:
IF I'm playing a shit pay table (which I do try to avoid), like if a full house only pays 8 on DDB and I'm dealt 222XX, I will go for the 222 and hope for quads. Many times I pull another full house.
IF I'm playing DDB and I'm dealt KKQQX, I will pick either the KK or QQ and go for quads or better. However, If I'm dealt 5566X, I will hold that two pair. Get more than enough 2 pairs dealt no reason to hold a two pair when it pays even money... Also, again... pulling 1 card with a 4 in 47 chance of hitting a full house, so rare to hit, I'd rather have 3 cards to pull to hit trips, another full house, or quads (which I've done multiple times).
IF I'm playing a progressive and am dealt 3 to the royal and 3 of a kind, I will break up the 3 of a kind if the progressive is high enough... I've hit royals twice this way...
As much as you all don't believe it, Robs plays make sense and they are better plays than what "the book" or "math" says...
You also draw to a 4 keeping aaa4.
I thought Robs whole strategy was to go big go home. This play makes no sense outside of wanting to play longer.
Actually it is more reasonable if you were to take into account irs taxes but I'm not seeing that argument made.
If you don't agree rob is an idiot then I have 2 words for you.
Wise up.
Also you're kinda right about realizing the mathematical return, it is also true that the one time you hit the 1 outer for 4000 could just as easily be missed band you hit a crappy kicker instead.
You sound like kew: "I don't understand it, so I'll make believe I know all about it".Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
It's already known there's an EV give-up when the kicker gets tossed for twice the possibility of hitting four A's....and, as in Jason's example, there's still an opportunity for the bigger winner (as well as a better chance at the FH).
You claim "you lose more money". Well, how much money do you think Jason "lost" on this day? And do you think he'll ever see that deal enough times over his lifetime for him to be a loser by making this play? Certainly, he could hit it under the same circumstances again...and again also. His reason for doing it is because he likes to, and he's ahead because of it. Not much to criticize, is there.
In SPS, the same play is ALWAYS made (I've hit it once on a $10 machine at the Venetian in the 4 years I made it) not because I like the play--but because it gives me a better chance of hitting a cash-out goal as well as being able to go down in denomination--which is the overriding goal on every hand played.
Short term strategy. The hand is not being played a thousand or more times. Not today.
I can't believe I'm semi-defending Singer and Alan's son, but here goes:
I think the phrase "lose more money" speaks volumes and cuts to the chase. Assuming, as video poker goes these days, that you don't have Bob Dancer's slot ratings or possible rebates, then you are playing a negative expectation game, as 99.9% of all people are. Then as long as you are operating on a set budget, how you play has nothing to do with how much you lose. Your budget determines how much you lose. That's the reality for at least 99.9% of the population. This is not 1990. If Bob Dancer, Jean Scott, and Richard Munchkin are all struggling with vp, then one can assume people are not really operating at (cough, gag) +EV in terms of making actual cash.
Now, if you are a sucker for "time on device," the industry phrase, and are addicts, then I guess how you play matters.
As far as comps go, the non-optimal player playing fewer hours is going to (at some point) get more generous status faster than the optimal player, or at least that's how things have been trending. So you can't even argue that playing more hours by playing optimally yields more comps. It may not. In fact, it probably won't going forward.
Rob's nutcase level jumping, whatever its non-optimal nature and deficits, created a nutcase profile, which I'm sure has led to much better offers than somebody grinding optimally.
In conclusion, as long as you're adhering to a budget, since video poker is a losing proposition for pretty much 990 out of 1000 players, it doesn't make much difference to that budget if you are playing optimally or not. You will lose. The question is how fast. And unless you're an addict, who cares how fast?
From my perspective, I play enough video poker to get on comp radars. I'm ahead about 5K lifetime playing vp. I expect a long downhill trend going forward, because pay tables suck, but I think being precise with games, counts and amounts, and timing of the play will yield a (cough, gag) +EV if you count meals, rooms, and cash back. I don't expect Alan's son or Rob to copy me, because that is not who they are, and they have other priorities. I was happy to get between a dozen and two dozen nights a year and a couple dozen meals comped at Boyd, for example, which ended about eight years ago. That was my goal for playing a very modest amount of VP.
I doubt many people are making substantive actual money on video poker. You'd have to be operating at Dancer-type levels to do that, and even he has run into sustained rugged outcomes the last couple of years.
Many people are just not going to grasp that concept Rob.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I don't play TDB, but if I did, I might drop the kicker as well. It doubles the chances of reaching my short term goal and getting off that machine a winner. But if you're just pounding on machines, trying to grind out the long term EV, then of course you do the proper math hold.
Depends upon where you're playing. There are still plenty of properties that just seem to look at theo only, but somebody correct me if I'm wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
That minimum bet is odd, I've never seen that before. Jason, if you play 25c denom, does it say 4cr minimum??
The statement above seems to be the big divide on these forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK
Are you sure that casinos base offers on their analysis of individual VP playing strategy, rather than individual coin-in and results?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I read something along those lines, but my recollection is that, while this type of analysis may be forthcoming, it is not currently utilized.
How long have they been using it?
Hey Gringo, I don't think you understand the basic concept of Triple Double Bonus. The whole point of playing this game is that you understand you will get shaved on the lesser hands like 3 of a Kind, is so you can get bigger payouts on bigger hands like Quads with a kicker. To abandon the draw for a bigger hand in favor of a much lower payout goes against the reason for playing the game in the first place. Singer's bullshit system is -EV bigtime.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNKI've been doing "Special Plays" like Rob describes even before I met him.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
None of you will ever play enough hands of video poker to realize these mathematical returns. I'd rather pull two cards for a chance at an Ace and possibly also get a kicker...
Holding 4 cards for 1 shot at an Ace that is a 1 in 47 chance at pulling the case Ace. I can't even count how many open ended straights I've held and can't even hit 1 of 8 cards when having an 8 in 47 chance...
Some of my special plays:
IF I'm playing a shit pay table (which I do try to avoid), like if a full house only pays 8 on DDB and I'm dealt 222XX, I will go for the 222 and hope for quads. Many times I pull another full house.
IF I'm playing DDB and I'm dealt KKQQX, I will pick either the KK or QQ and go for quads or better. However, If I'm dealt 5566X, I will hold that two pair. Get more than enough 2 pairs dealt no reason to hold a two pair when it pays even money... Also, again... pulling 1 card with a 4 in 47 chance of hitting a full house, so rare to hit, I'd rather have 3 cards to pull to hit trips, another full house, or quads (which I've done multiple times).
IF I'm playing a progressive and am dealt 3 to the royal and 3 of a kind, I will break up the 3 of a kind if the progressive is high enough... I've hit royals twice this way...
As much as you all don't believe it, Robs plays make sense and they are better plays than what "the book" or "math" says...
This why this Stupid Gringo has the zero credibility. The only thing "Special" about this "System" is that it was created by a freaking Racist Retard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerFirst coach, the illegal is furious this hit was posted by anyone but him.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyHe threw the kicker away before Singer commented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza Fria
What's the difference, mathematically, between holding the kicker vs drawing 2 cards?
Jason may already have known that tossing the kicker in this game was one of my special plays that deviated from expert strategy. He was holding the camera when he and his dad filmed the math give-up and rationale behind many of these type plays. While this particular one didn't make the cut, Alan & I discussed it many times.
Ever since I stopped playing my strategy in early 2004, I always play optimal strategy on all hands. But there's absolutely nothing wrong with taking these shots when you're playing recreationally. His win proves that. And just one hit of this kind because of how he chose to play it, very likely more than makes up for all the times he gets beat on the hold. IE---it's not like it's gonna be dealt to him a thousand times.
He can do what he wants clearly. I'd never criticize him. It was you who plopped your head in. You still have no reason for this play. It is nonsense. You wrote a book on nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerYou sound like kew: "I don't understand it, so I'll make believe I know all about it".Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
It's already known there's an EV give-up when the kicker gets tossed for twice the possibility of hitting four A's....and, as in Jason's example, there's still an opportunity for the bigger winner (as well as a better chance at the FH).
You claim "you lose more money". Well, how much money do you think Jason "lost" on this day? And do you think he'll ever see that deal enough times over his lifetime for him to be a loser by making this play? Certainly, he could hit it under the same circumstances again...and again also. His reason for doing it is because he likes to, and he's ahead because of it. Not much to criticize, is there.
In SPS, the same play is ALWAYS made (I've hit it once on a $10 machine at the Venetian in the 4 years I made it) not because I like the play--but because it gives me a better chance of hitting a cash-out goal as well as being able to go down in denomination--which is the overriding goal on every hand played.
Short term strategy. The hand is not being played a thousand or more times. Not today.
The only thing that makes sense are consideration for taxes or stretching out your bankroll longer by lowering the chance you hit a 4000x layout.
This is the dumbest thing ever posted in here. I feel dirty having this convo. Like I need a paper towel to wipe the stupid off my hands.
You may have a credibility problem of your own....Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza Fria
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Those comments are not mutually exclusive. I don't play every day or every week for that matter. I'm not like others who play it every day or those who play it for a living. But, over many years, I have played a tens of thousands of hours on many different games.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
You may have a credibility problem of your own....
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Originally Posted by Cerveza Fria
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Rob talks about hitting certain win levels and quitting. Ok fine I get fun gambling and all but that's not what the play does. It stretches out a bankroll. You play vp all your life, you may very well have missed a 4000x payout on a trip by doing this. This is not a point I see being made.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
The play simply doesn't make sense in the context in which singer talks. If you want to stretch out your trip bankroll then sure, this will keep you in action. You draw a8 and wonder if the a would have come keeping aaa4. It goes both ways.
If you played 8 hours per day every day for 10 years that would be less than 30000 hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza Fria
So how many tens of thousands of hours and years are you claiming?
When I played that strategy for 4 years, my goal was not to stretch the $57,200 bankroll I used each weekly trip. It was to win a mere approx. 5% of that bankroll using a very complex method of varying denominations, games, volatility levels, and a 40-credit minimum soft profit cash-out. And in just over 200 Nevada trips to every corner of the state, the win rate was near 90%.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionRob talks about hitting certain win levels and quitting. Ok fine I get fun gambling and all but that's not what the play does. It stretches out a bankroll. You play vp all your life, you may very well have missed a 4000x payout on a trip by doing this. This is not a point I see being made.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
The play simply doesn't make sense in the context in which singer talks. If you want to stretch out your trip bankroll then sure, this will keep you in action. You draw a8 and wonder if the a would have come keeping aaa4. It goes both ways.
At this point, critics like to say "but the 10%+ times you did not win were -$57,200 disasters, which would have made all your other $2500 wins meaningless because you lost overall!"
But they would be wrong. The play stops as soon as I've played thru my 400 $100 credits. Along the way, thanks to numerous "soft profit" cash-outs, the session loss is never $57,200. My largest ever loss was $33,000. The next largest was $11,000, and it goes down from there--all the way down to a $700 loss.
At the same time there were several $100,000 wins and quite a few 5-figure wins between $10k and $40k. And of course, most wins were more than $3k. This is how the strategy netted me about a $375k profit over those 4 years, with much of it documented in my Gaming Today column.
I'm not saying this would work for everyone because it won't. I trained many players, and only 1 other player (a successful businessman in LV) had the aptitude, intelligence, determination, bankroll and discipline I have in order to pull it off correctly.
If it was so successful then why stop playing it after only 4 years? Because I found a much better/extremely high +EV play with the DU bug. But at the time that play abruptly ended thanks to the two greedy dildos who got arrested playing it stupidly, I got tired of the weekly round-trip drive between Phx. & Nv. My wife retired, we bought an RV, we lived in it and traveled for the next 5 years, and I chose to only play for entertainment after my professional vp player career ended.
I realize this re-cap will cause a bit of distress among those of lessor ambition and ability. All I can say is: TOUGH LOVE! :)
Your post is such braindead rubbish. Only those who seek to win by sheer will find it worthwhile reading.
That and actual winning gamblers who want a giggle. Thanks for that robby.
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Originally Posted by Rob.SingerWhen I played that strategy for 4 years, my goal was not to stretch the $57,200 bankroll I used each weekly trip. It was to win a mere approx. 5% of that bankroll using a very complex method of varying denominations, games, volatility levels, and a 40-credit minimum soft profit cash-out. And in just over 200 Nevada trips to every corner of the state, the win rate was near 90%.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionRob talks about hitting certain win levels and quitting. Ok fine I get fun gambling and all but that's not what the play does. It stretches out a bankroll. You play vp all your life, you may very well have missed a 4000x payout on a trip by doing this. This is not a point I see being made.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
The play simply doesn't make sense in the context in which singer talks. If you want to stretch out your trip bankroll then sure, this will keep you in action. You draw a8 and wonder if the a would have come keeping aaa4. It goes both ways.
At this point, critics like to say "but the 10%+ times you did not win were -$57,200 disasters, which would have made all your other $2500 wins meaningless because you lost overall!"
But they would be wrong. The play stops as soon as I've played thru my 400 $100 credits. Along the way, thanks to numerous "soft profit" cash-outs, the session loss is never $57,200. My largest ever loss was $33,000. The next largest was $11,000, and it goes down from there--all the way down to a $700 loss.
At the same time there were several $100,000 wins and quite a few 5-figure wins between $10k and $40k. And of course, most wins were more than $3k. This is how the strategy netted me about a $375k profit over those 4 years, with much of it documented in my Gaming Today column.
I'm not saying this would work for everyone because it won't. I trained many players, and only 1 other player (a successful businessman in LV) had the aptitude, intelligence, determination, bankroll and discipline I have in order to pull it off correctly.
If it was so successful then why stop playing it after only 4 years? Because I found a much better/extremely high +EV play with the DU bug. But at the time that play abruptly ended thanks to the two greedy dildos who got arrested playing it stupidly, I got tired of the weekly round-trip drive between Phx. & Nv. My wife retired, we bought an RV, we lived in it and traveled for the next 5 years, and I chose to only play for entertainment after my professional vp player career ended.
I realize this re-cap will cause a bit of distress among those of lessor ambition and ability. All I can say is: TOUGH LOVE! :)
Translation: Singer went broke from playing V.P. His wife was the earner in the family, and when she retired they had to resort to living out of a camper.
Well, I've been playing V.P. for more than 25 years, but not every day and not all day. Would you prefer I amend that statement to just Thousands of Hours? Jeez, you're worse than a woman.
Even if you played for 25 years, you are not going to realize the full return of a game.
Back to the minimum bet thing... I went to pickup some free play after breakfast today and went to some different machines...
The $0.25 with a $0.50 minimum bet was a TDB Progressive. Right behind that was a gameking that did not have a progressive but required a $0.75 minimum bet on $0.25 and the $0.50 denom had a minimum bet of $1.00. The $1 and larger denom did not require a minimum bed. I did not try to play less than max bet on these games...
I guess there are people out there grinding single credits :-/
I would prefer if you stopped contradicting yourself and changing your story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza Fria
You make a lot of noise over the difference between an expected return of 16 vs 20 in short session play, but shrug off thousands of hours vs tens of thousands of hours like it's no big deal.
It's clear that you're not getting enough attention IRL, so you seek it here from strangers.
Out of nowhere, you picked a fight with Singer on your second ever post.
Now you whine like a bitch because he teased you about being a degen.
If you have been playing VP for 25 years, then you suffer from arrested development, because you act like a petulant child around here.