tax transcripts have arrived

I think I posted this before. My father was a part-time mob lawyer (the other time he was doing wills, businesses, real estate closings, accidents and whatever else lawyers do). When I was a kid he told me about gamblers at the race tracks who would pick up discarded bet slips from the ground. But he also warned me that the IRS always looked at the back of the tickets to see if there were shoe prints or dirt. He also told me how the IRS would challenge the sale tax receipts for restaurants by checking the number of table cloths sent to the cleaners. And the first time I saw a craps game was when I was about 7 years old and my parents' friends came over to the house for a dinner party and while the ladies sat in the kitchen, the men were using the dice from my Monopoly game to play craps against the back wall in the foyer which had a hard wood floor.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

It's funny how arci, with his wrecked personal life while his dead wife eats dirt every day, tries so hard to make believe we're not together and having troubles. :) Sorry Charlie. Give us a call on one of our FOUR cell phones any time, and we'll be more than happy to disappoint you yet again. 602-540-3162; 602-309-3926; 602-319-2224; or 602-881-9619. Anyone can call anytime and I'll put Cindy on.

Why 4 phones? BECAUSE WE CAN AFFORD IT. Let's hear some more groaning from the idiot base.

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ROTFLMMFAO!!! Like four cell phones these days are expressive.

Now that's exactly what I'm talking about!
(I've had all four of those numbers for 30 years)

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Ask professional tax dodger Mickey.

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Now, now, now, little robbie. Which one am I, little robbie? A loser that doesn't owe taxes? Or a winner that owes taxes? You can't have it both ways, ding a ling. You tell everyone here that I'm a loser plain and simple. But what are you telling the IRS? That I'm a winner who owes taxes? It just shows you have no scruples or brains, dickhead.

Little robbie, you are either a loser or a tax dodger. Which one is it big fella, where's those transcripts?

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

You have something confused. I have had no business deductions since 2008 because I've filed Schedule A since.

You've got this right--no one in their right mind would ever claim they made a profit gambling when they file schedule A. I neutralized my 6-figure profit a few year ago, and I STILL got hit with an almost $30,000 AMT bill. It appalls me Obama's using that money to give free health care to slugs who don't want to work.

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You hid behind your wife's income to cheat on your taxes, Rob. If yours was the only income the IRS could have easily proved lifestyle on you dingbat. You've been hiding behind your battle axe wife's income for decades. And you and your son-in-law who works for the IRS are CRIMINAL CONSPIRATORS lurking around in everyone's tax situation.

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Originally Posted by james40

FYI, this is taken from the IRS website

Request a Transcript or Copy of a Prior Year Tax Return

Transcripts are free and you can get them for the current year and the past three years.

If you need a copy of your filed and processed tax return, it will cost $50 for each tax year. You should complete Form 4506, Request for Copy of Tax Return, to make the request. Mail it to the IRS address listed on the form for your area. Copies are generally available for the current year and past six years.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

The above information states that there are differences between tax returns and tax return transcripts.

And, transcripts are only available for the current year, and the past 3 years.

Returns are available for the current year, and the past 6 years.

So, clearly, returns are going to be required to satisfy this challenge.

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Originally Posted by arcimede$

Now, to make others happy I will send Alan my forms. This includes 2008 and 2009 along with the latest transcripts.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

I will only stick to the tax forms and not waste time with transcripts.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Arci, you can get some credibility back and send Alan your filled in 4506 form to order 2005 thru 2009 (which he will mail in) tax returns like you originally proposed (remember that?)

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

With a requested tax return comes copies of all W2's, W2G's, 1099's, etc.--read the IRS site.

I'll send in my request for 2008/2009 tax returns after you receive arci's 1 or 2 tax returns, just as he originally proposed.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Transcripts alone ARE NOT WHAT YOU, OR WHOMEVER, WANT OR WANTS. Only arci wants them for his own reason, and he's cajoled you into believing in them. Arci can send in whatever he wants to you and then claim whatever he wants. But it's not only disingenuous, it's dishonest and based entirely on a lie.

You can either continue to be messed around with by arci....or you can man up and stick to what arci originally said he wanted in his challenge. By you allowing him to pussy-foot around this shows me you are also out to "get me". And that is a mistake.

Again, it's FULL RETURNS FOR EITHER 2008 thru 2014 (absolutely possible) or FULL RETURNS FOR 2005-2014, if possible. Everything else is nonsense. Remember the value of always doing what you say you are going to do. Hold arci to that and we have a deal.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Alan, you continue to allow yourself to be manipulated by a series of arci backpeddals

read form 4506. It clearly states that some earlier year may still be available. I'm all for trying our best to retrieve 2005-2007. It makes no sense not to even try to get 10 years of data for this.

Arci keeps balking at the cost of returns. That's why out of the kindness of my heart I've offered to pay his $500.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

How many times have I told you I'm standing with the original conditions that he set? He's hiding behind these transcripts now because his strategy was to create chaos. Are you getting his last ten years of transcripts? Think about it.

If arci has 7-10 years of tax returns sent to you, the moment you confirm receipt then I will send my form in. Very simple.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

all arci has to do is send his form 4506 to Alan for the past 10 years. That's it. Instead, because he knows I won't bother with transcripts, he changed over to them. What's that tell you?

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Originally Posted by arcimede$

I will send in the regular 4506 to get the real returns for 2008 and 2009 which are the only years available in Singer's so-called professional play.

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I have now opened all eleven (11) envelopes. Only four (4) contained transcripts.

The other seven (7) contained a letter from the IRS saying older transcripts are not available.

The four transcripts are for the tax years 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014.

Alan Mendelson

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

ELEVEN YEARS that the liar asked for (which he obviously already knew only 4 would be available). Even more obvious is how he tried in vain to make everybody believe he was "doing his darndest" to retrieve more than the 4 allowable years, just to keep that needed perception "alive & well". And, at the start he was only interested in Alan reviewing my professional filing status years, known to all as 2000-2009. So why did he suddenly change his own conditions from tax returns to transcripts?

Every one of those forms he said he sent in clearly states that transcripts can be sent out, for free, for the current year and the past 3 years only, it also very clearly states that if the taxpayer wants earlier copies of transcripts they would need to fill out form 4506 and get TAX RETURNS at 50 bucks a copy.

Like I've said multiple times: Arci changed the conditions as soon as I accepted to fetch tax returns. He's caught in his own trap again, and I've proven him a proven liar once more.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Why do you think he changed from tax returns to transcripts? Bingo! Because he knew he'd have to show mostly losing years with returns, thereby perpetuating all of his AP lies with that transcript deception.

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Originally Posted by arcimede$

I wonder where belly is hiding?

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Okay, what does the above have to do with Rob's tax returns? Help me out here.

Once again, does it really matter what Arc provides? What we are all waiting for (except for Rob and coach) is Rob's tax returns or transcripts. Yes, I'd be happy with transcripts if they were available for his "professional years." But I understand they won't be.

Come on Rob. Show the world you really had a net win of a hundred thousand dollars a year -- before your cockamamie business deductions.

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Originally Posted by redietz

Okay, what does the above have to do with Rob's tax returns? Help me out here.

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Absolutely correct. Coach just cluttered up a page with yesterday's news.

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Originally Posted by redietz

Okay, what does the above have to do with Rob's tax returns? Help me out here.

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I'll let Rob answer that for himself...I'm just recapping the action since the operative thread is blocked.

I've always only been interested in Rob's tax info...that's why I wrote this on Dec 15

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Originally Posted by coach belly

I don't know the difference between transcripts and returns, but what I do know is this...

If the goal is to see Rob Singer's proof that he has been a winning VP player, then his conditions are that tax returns be sent...not transcripts.

It's as simple as that...if you want Rob's proof, then arci sends his returns, and Rob must do the same or be humiliated.

This sticking point on transcripts is obfuscation...you 2 (Alan & arcimede$) are stalling.

Agree to send the returns, then send the returns as per Rob's conditions, and this all ends quickly.

Keep futzing around and it goes on and on.

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At least we now know how dishonest bellyboy really is. Note how he left out several key quotes which would present a completely different story. One can only assume this jerk has an agenda which is why he so readily creates lies. If he thought he had any credibility he just flushed it down the toilet with what must be the rest of his brains.

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Originally Posted by arcimede$

One can only assume this jerk has an agenda which is why he so readily creates lies.

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My agenda is to expose Rob Singer.

You couldn't seal the deal...so insults and name-calling is all your impotent ass has left.

Put up or shut up...it's your time to shine, so go get your shine box.

I'm not at all surprised that only 4 years showed up. I even mentioned this myself earlier. However, as I also indicated earlier, I thought I would give it a try as it cost me nothing and certainly wouldn't have cost Robbie anything either. And, as I also stated earlier, if nothing comes for the years 2008 and 2009 I will send in for them using form 4506 as long as Singer does the same. To get it started all he needs to do with request the transcripts for 2011-2014.

Of course, we already know Singer won't send in for any years not even the most recent 4 years as that would give away his true income. You know, the income that supports living in a trailer park.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

My agenda is to expose Rob Singer.

You couldn't seal the deal...so insults and name-calling is all you have left.

Put up or shut up...it's your time to shine, so go get your shine box.

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You already sealed your own fate with your silly lies. Everyone can read what I posted and they can read your silly cherry picked quotes. Are you really this stupid?

Transcripts were never going to work, Singer protested to no end that transcripts were no good.

james40 knew that...you knew that...I wrote that on Dec 15, but you sent for them anyway, as if you were doing your best.

Stop stalling...go get your shine box.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

My agenda is to expose Rob Singer.

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Really? You fooled me.

It's amusing watching arci doing his posturing. Wonder what his dead wife would be thinking about THAT had she been around to watch his life fade. Oh wait! He goes to the same Indian casino every week, only for much longer periods these days. And for someone who's obit boasts about loving video poker, it'd be a quote right outta white trash vp heaven. :)

My transcripts for 2011-2014 would prove nothing other than we filed tax returns and that I may have had gambling wins (line 21 ambiguity again) on the 1040. And like I said, what dummy would be fool enough to want to pay extra income tax on gambling wins anyway.

So now we're back to the original challenge again: to save face, arci now says he'll send in for 2008 & 2009, and get this "if Robbie does". I said I would, as soon as Alan receives yours. And this is due to my sending in my request to the IRS the last time and then he whimped out. So just do it arci and stop wasting time. But here's your guardian angel swooping down to give you an assist: I found out today that I filed Schedule A only in 2009 since I couldn't do a C when I was in business only four months. So you only have to request 2008. And do you have the courage to now say if 2008 shows a huge profit then you will admit that you've been wrong all along and will publicly apologize for all the lies you've told?

I just read the other thread. How is it that I knew only 4 years of transcripts would be sent and arci--Mr. "all the facts all the time" did not? And if line 21 does not show other income specifically a gambling winnings, then what good are these transcripts? Asking us to trust a proven liar isn't in the playbook. I'm betting that was his out on why he wanted transcripts. He always has angles....always wanting to outsmart the other guy. Is Alan just going to proclaim line 21 "entirely gambling winnings"? Again, the tax return, because it comes with copies of w2g's, will eliminate that.

Pssst....I'd love to see arci's medical deductions these last few years :)

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

My transcripts for 2011-2014 would prove nothing other than we filed tax returns and that I may have had gambling wins (line 21 ambiguity again) on the 1040. And like I said, what dummy would be fool enough to want to pay extra income tax on gambling wins anyway.

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So, why not send them in? That's a simple, no cost option and yet you refuse. I think you realize you can't hide behind your silly "ambiguity" when you end up with a value of "0".

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

So now we're back to the original challenge again: to save face, arci now says he'll send in for 2008 & 2009, and get this "if Robbie does". I said I would, as soon as Alan receives yours. And this is due to my sending in my request to the IRS the last time and then he whimped out.

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Another silly lie. It was Alan that said he didn't want the forms. I had mine ready to go when he shut down the discussion.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

So just do it arci and stop wasting time. But here's your guardian angel swooping down to give you an assist: I found out today that I filed Schedule A only in 2009 since I couldn't do a C when I was in business only four months. So you only have to request 2008. And do you have the courage to now say if 2008 shows a huge profit then you will admit that you've been wrong all along and will publicly apologize for all the lies you've told?

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There is no limit based on an arbitrary number of months. Another lie to avoid sending in your tax returns. Come on, you are the one who has claimed you only gambled a few hours a year to make your million. Now, step up and prove it or admit you were lying the entire time.

BTW, I never said I made a "huge profit" in any year prior to 2015. How many lies can you make in one comment?

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

I just read the other thread. How is it that I knew only 4 years of transcripts would be sent and arci--Mr. "all the facts all the time" did not?

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Fact is, I was the one who expressly stated Alan might not get all the years. So, chalk up another lie.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

And if line 21 does not show other income specifically a gambling winnings, then what good are these transcripts?

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Line 21 can only show MORE than might be there for gambling winnings. It can only make you look better (not worse). Besides, the other items that might show up there are all very unusual and it would be highly unlikely either of us would show anything. Do I even have to mention that a value of "0" is not at all ambiguous?

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Asking us to trust a proven liar isn't in the playbook.

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Pure projection.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

I'm betting that was his out on why he wanted transcripts. He always has angles....always wanting to outsmart the other guy. Is Alan just going to proclaim line 21 "entirely gambling winnings"? Again, the tax return, because it comes with copies of w2g's, will eliminate that.

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The tax return does not come with copies of the w2gs. Yet another lie. Now many is that in this comment alone?

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Pssst....I'd love to see arci's medical deductions these last few years :)

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Quite high. What would anyone expect with a person on dialysis?

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Really? You fooled me.

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I'm not trying to fool you, but I understand that you are professionally suspicious.

I've been consistent throughout my participation in this matter.

Singer has been called a liar by arci, I asked what is the lie?

I have been trying to get to the bottom of this so-called lie ever since.

Evidently it's been discussed on all these VP forums for some 15 years...I joined my first VP forum Feb 2014.

Now the topic is forbidden everywhere but here because of "personal insults"...and yes, I understand...
I am regularly insulted and called names here...but never by Rob Singer....even though I've never supported his claims.

Well shame on those other forums and their arrogant censorship...they are not in your league.

Thank you for resolving to see this through.

If arcimede$ meets Singer's conditions, then this exercise is over. It's as simple as that.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

I have now opened all eleven (11) envelopes. Only four (4) contained transcripts.

The other seven (7) contained a letter from the IRS saying older transcripts are not available.

The four transcripts are for the tax years 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014.

Alan Mendelson

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Belly is an idiot. He fixates on the wrong shit. The whole thing is on Rob. Put up or shut up, bitch. Singer is a punk.