The Big Hurt Is Coming

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

Assuming Rob is lying about the RV, there's no rules about making up lies and b*******.

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I am not sure Rob actually lied about the RV. :confused:

If you go back and read, he never actually said these were pictures of his RV or an RV belonging to him. What he said was he has a nail in the tire of the RV he was driving (without him saying it, likely the winnebago) and that because he has some time, his wife Cindy had some time to take some pictures of Rob. Nowhere did he say "in our Newell RV" or even suggest that the pictures were of an RV that he owned.

It does answer the question some of us had about who took the pictures. But nowhere did he actually say they were pictures of an RV that he owned. I mean hell, he wasn't even allowed to put his feet on the bed. :D

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And nowhere in this forum did I ever say Rob had an RV.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Absolutely Rob is a crafty individual when it comes to trolling. There is no doubt Rob is an expert Troll and deceiver. He has been at it a long time...decades. :cool: I really wish there weren't so many members here that find his "craftiness" or expertise in this field admirable or even amusing. I do find that disturbing. :(

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Pot. This is kettle. You're black.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

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Originally Posted by The Boz

Not directed to me....but

Absolutely not and I’ll never put the blame on you.

Just saying it’s sad to see, but it’s also what these forums come down to.

Reread my post. We all are guilty of it. Just hate to see it between you two.

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I'm not disagreeing with you Boz. But I'll be damned if I sit around getting insulted because some dude is upset that something he believed in is not the truth. So, then he wants to try and insult me in several different ways.
This dude is a former hobo. He knows better than to talk shit in the soup kitchen line or whatever he accused me of standing in.

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You don't get it, bitch. I'm not upset even if I'm wrong. I have the balls to take a contrarian opinion and let the chips fall where they may. You don't have those kind of ball. Because you are not a man. You're a lackey and a flunky. And KJ's bitch.

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Mickey you are a bigger low life than even Rob Singer, you really are. Singer at least has an excuse. He is a failed AP, bitter that he failed at the thing he wanted most to do. It doesn't even matter if he was successful at other areas in life (and even that is in question). But he failed at the thing he wanted most of all, and being bitter about it, set out to troll AP's and the AP community, which has gone on 20 years now.

You on the other hand, are or were a successful AP, with a fascinating story, who was respected by almost everyone in the community and you have thrown all that away to play second fiddle to Singer's "Troll king". Of all the things I have seen and witnessed throughout this community on many different forums, I would say your evolution is about the saddest.

I know, you don't care and with attack me with some gay shit name calling. It's pathetic mickey. I am embarrassed for you. I really am.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by BoSox

I do not think that KJ gives two shits about those other boards. Why? Because he just loves it here where he can bash everyone and anyone at any time including the owner. Where the hell else is he going to get all of that freedom?

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Dan Druff has said it is fair game to criticize the way he runs his forum. And so I have. I don't think I have particularly "bashed" him. Ahhh, maybe the "lazy Canadian" comments.

Also to Monet's point that I am bashing Mike. I don't think I am.

Look, Mike and I have a better relationship at the moment in that we are at least talking to one another. We still don't see eye to eye on everything including the path forward. Mike thinks there should be apologizes involved. I don't. While I acknowledge things I regret and said (mostly in the aftermath), I think there is plenty of blame to go around and think there is no good that can come from rehashing or revisiting anything. I just think it is time to move forward, especially since the 3rd party involved isn't even at WoV any longer. I am usually about moving forward in life.

Because we aren't in agreement about how to move forward, Mike suggested an alternative path. Through DT. I am not thrilled with that because DT isn't about the gambling/AP discussions that I would like to get back to. But I am giving it a try. I don't know if it will lead anywhere like back to WoV at some point, or not. I wasn't promised anything. I will probably offend Mike long before that occurs. :rolleyes: Maybe even talking about this here, I don't know.

I am not going to walk on eggshells, kiss ass, or even say something that I don't believe. That's not who I am. I hope things work out as I would like to get away from this forum and have another option to post that is related to the gambling/AP community. But if it doesn't it doesn't.

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KJ, you've been 100 times more prolific as a troll than you ever were as a gambling writer. Trolling this forum is your real passion. But it won't hurt for you to make a few posts on gambling here and there.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

KJ, you've been 100 times more prolific as a troll than you ever were as a gambling writer. Trolling this forum is your real passion. But it won't hurt for you to make a few posts on gambling here and there.

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Amen to that!

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Originally Posted by Bob21

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Originally Posted by wasilla

What are you doing KJ? Singer posted those pictures as evidence of his claims a couple posts after AW posted the skeptical wizard video. When posters like Monet made fun of how clean the RV looked, Singer told us that it looked this clean because all his stuff was packed up and how he had it professionally cleaned. We also learned about gas mileage and what kind of car it towed, how he kept the original bedding, etc. I don't know why you've decided to become Singer's defense attorney, but you're making a distinction without a difference. If Rob wants to claim that he didn't actually lie that the RV he posted was his, then he can face that buzz saw. But what the fuck are you doing? You've been trying to convince everybody that Singer is a liar by saying the same things over and over and over again for years. MaxPen devoted 15 minutes. He doesn't have to call the wizard, grammatically deconstruct sentences, or fly anywhere to prove his point.

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Excellent point wasilla! But you've got to remember part of Kj's purpose in life is to spar with Singer. It's what makes Kj tick! It's what makes Kj the person he is!

I think Kj's scared he might have finally put the nail in Singer's coffin, so he's trying to revive him. Kj's letting Rob know, his story still might be true, if he can construe Rob's words in a certain way. He's crying out to Rob to come back!

This is like Freddy Kruger, or Friday the 13th, it never dies! And when you think it does, Kj tries to revive it, so he can go a couple more rounds with it.

What would Kj do without Rob? He'd be lost!

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For all we know the whole thing could be a setup by Rob to get a rise out of everyone. If it is then he did good job.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by The Boz

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

But I deserve this?



I'm pretty sure Mickey "the Cum Dumpster" Crimm is capable of handling his own battles that he picks.

So,,,,why don't you stay out of it?

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Not directed to me....but

Absolutely not and I’ll never put the blame on you.

Just saying it’s sad to see, but it’s also what these forums come down to.

Reread my post. We all are guilty of it. Just hate to see it between you two.

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Penn started the dick sucking troll when I voiced my opinion on the DUB. He blindsided me. Never expected it from him. But fuck him now. He's in an all out war. I got no quit in me. He's a bottomfeeding piece of shit gheyboy that sucks KJ's cock.

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Seeing as to how you have turned into one of the biggest trolls. I may have possibly lumped you into an attack. I'm really not sure. But I'd need to see a post backing that up before I apologise.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by Bob21

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Originally Posted by wasilla

What are you doing KJ? Singer posted those pictures as evidence of his claims a couple posts after AW posted the skeptical wizard video. When posters like Monet made fun of how clean the RV looked, Singer told us that it looked this clean because all his stuff was packed up and how he had it professionally cleaned. We also learned about gas mileage and what kind of car it towed, how he kept the original bedding, etc. I don't know why you've decided to become Singer's defense attorney, but you're making a distinction without a difference. If Rob wants to claim that he didn't actually lie that the RV he posted was his, then he can face that buzz saw. But what the fuck are you doing? You've been trying to convince everybody that Singer is a liar by saying the same things over and over and over again for years. MaxPen devoted 15 minutes. He doesn't have to call the wizard, grammatically deconstruct sentences, or fly anywhere to prove his point.

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Excellent point wasilla! But you've got to remember part of Kj's purpose in life is to spar with Singer. It's what makes Kj tick! It's what makes Kj the person he is!

I think Kj's scared he might have finally put the nail in Singer's coffin, so he's trying to revive him. Kj's letting Rob know, his story still might be true, if he can construe Rob's words in a certain way. He's crying out to Rob to come back!

This is like Freddy Kruger, or Friday the 13th, it never dies! And when you think it does, Kj tries to revive it, so he can go a couple more rounds with it.

What would Kj do without Rob? He'd be lost!

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For all we know the whole thing could be a setup by Rob to get a rise out of everyone. If it is then he did good job.

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I actually agree with you. I think Rob knows what he is doing. He's enjoying himself right now!

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by BoSox

I do not think that KJ gives two shits about those other boards. Why? Because he just loves it here where he can bash everyone and anyone at any time including the owner. Where the hell else is he going to get all of that freedom?

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Dan Druff has said it is fair game to criticize the way he runs his forum. And so I have. I don't think I have particularly "bashed" him. Ahhh, maybe the "lazy Canadian" comments.

Also to Monet's point that I am bashing Mike. I don't think I am.

Look, Mike and I have a better relationship at the moment in that we are at least talking to one another. We still don't see eye to eye on everything including the path forward. Mike thinks there should be apologizes involved. I don't. While I acknowledge things I regret and said (mostly in the aftermath), I think there is plenty of blame to go around and think there is no good that can come from rehashing or revisiting anything. I just think it is time to move forward, especially since the 3rd party involved isn't even at WoV any longer. I am usually about moving forward in life.

Because we aren't in agreement about how to move forward, Mike suggested an alternative path. Through DT. I am not thrilled with that because DT isn't about the gambling/AP discussions that I would like to get back to. But I am giving it a try. I don't know if it will lead anywhere like back to WoV at some point, or not. I wasn't promised anything. I will probably offend Mike long before that occurs. :rolleyes: Maybe even talking about this here, I don't know.

I am not going to walk on eggshells, kiss ass, or even say something that I don't believe. That's not who I am. I hope things work out as I would like to get away from this forum and have another option to post that is related to the gambling/AP community. But if it doesn't it doesn't.

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Yeah, but KJ, YOU WANT TO RUN THE FORUM!! Screw your rules.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

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Originally Posted by The Boz

Not directed to me....but

Absolutely not and I’ll never put the blame on you.

Just saying it’s sad to see, but it’s also what these forums come down to.

Reread my post. We all are guilty of it. Just hate to see it between you two.

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I'm not disagreeing with you Boz. But I'll be damned if I sit around getting insulted because some dude is upset that something he believed in is not the truth. So, then he wants to try and insult me in several different ways.
This dude is a former hobo. He knows better than to talk shit in the soup kitchen line or whatever he accused me of standing in.

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You don't get it, bitch. I'm not upset even if I'm wrong. I have the balls to take a contrarian opinion and let the chips fall where they may. You don't have those kind of balls. You have a vagina. Because you are not a man. You're a lackey and a flunky and a bottomfeeder. And KJ's bitch.

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You keep calling me a lackey and a bottom feeder. Seeing as to how I am a lone wolf I'm not really sure how I can be a lackey. The only point of my life when I was anyone's lackey would have been when I was in the military. Everyone is someone's bitch there.
The rest of my life has been leading in or owning companies.
As far as AP I've only been full time for a couple years. But I spent the better part of 2 decades playing various things with an advantage. It just didn't make sense to do anything else when I was making multiples of the amount I could doing something else.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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I'm not disagreeing with you Boz. But I'll be damned if I sit around getting insulted because some dude is upset that something he believed in is not the truth. So, then he wants to try and insult me in several different ways.
This dude is a former hobo. He knows better than to talk shit in the soup kitchen line or whatever he accused me of standing in.

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You don't get it, bitch. I'm not upset even if I'm wrong. I have the balls to take a contrarian opinion and let the chips fall where they may. You don't have those kind of ball. Because you are not a man. You're a lackey and a flunky. And KJ's bitch.

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Mickey you are a bigger low life than even Rob Singer, you really are. Singer at least has an excuse. He is a failed AP, bitter that he failed at the thing he wanted most to do. It doesn't even matter if he was successful at other areas in life (and even that is in question). But he failed at the thing he wanted most of all, and being bitter about it, set out to troll AP's and the AP community, which has gone on 20 years now.

You on the other hand, are or were a successful AP, with a fascinating story, who was respected by almost everyone in the community and you have thrown all that away to play second fiddle to Singer's "Troll king". Of all the things I have seen and witnessed throughout this community on many different forums, I would say your evolution is about the saddest.

I know, you don't care and with attack me with some gay shit name calling. It's pathetic mickey. I am embarrassed for you. I really am.

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Like I said, KJ. You are a troll. Nothing more. Nothing less. Your post here is just further evidence of it. But you think you get a pass for it. YOU DON'T!!! You think you are somehow important. YOU ARE NOT IMPORTANT!! You think you are a valuable contributor here. NO YOU ARE NOT!!!! You're just another low life dirty stinking troll on this site. And you don't have the balls to admit you are just a low life troll. You are pathetic.

I never had a reputation. Don't care to have one. I came from nothing and in the end I'll return to nothing. You can take my reputation and shove it up your ass, ass clown.

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Not directed to me....but

Absolutely not and I’ll never put the blame on you.

Just saying it’s sad to see, but it’s also what these forums come down to.

Reread my post. We all are guilty of it. Just hate to see it between you two.

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Penn started the dick sucking troll when I voiced my opinion on the DUB. He blindsided me. Never expected it from him. But fuck him now. He's in an all out war. I got no quit in me. He's a bottomfeeding piece of shit gheyboy that sucks KJ's cock.

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Seeing as to how you have turned into one of the biggest trolls. I may have possibly lumped you into an attack. I'm really not sure. But I'd need to see a post backing that up before I apologise.

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Fuck you. Do your own research. But you did it.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Penn started the dick sucking troll when I voiced my opinion on the DUB. He blindsided me. Never expected it from him. But fuck him now. He's in an all out war. I got no quit in me. He's a bottomfeeding piece of shit gheyboy that sucks KJ's cock.

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Seeing as to how you have turned into one of the biggest trolls. I may have possibly lumped you into an attack. I'm really not sure. But I'd need to see a post backing that up before I apologise.

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Fuck you. Do your own research. But you did it.

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I pulled the posts of you trolling me. I'll just roll with that justification for anything I may say in the future.

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Seeing as to how you have turned into one of the biggest trolls. I may have possibly lumped you into an attack. I'm really not sure. But I'd need to see a post backing that up before I apologise.

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Fuck you. Do your own research. But you did it.

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I pulled the posts of you trolling me. I'll just roll with that justification for anything I may say in the future.

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Fuck off.

About 9 years ago I returned to Florida for a high school reunion. It was the first time I had been back since I left just after graduation. I was only there a few days hanging out and reconnecting with high school friends. One of the guys I hung out with a little in HS, we weren't close friends but had some classes and hung out a little, smoking weed, was a dude name....well I am not going to post his name. Let's call him Trey. Trey always seemed to have a chip on his shoulder. Someone has always done him wrong, or looked at him wrong and he was out to get even.

So I knew Trey was in prison for killing someone. I read about it in the news. I decided to go visit Trey. Just to say hello and let him know someone was thinking about him. I didn't plan to discuss the particulars, but some how we did. Trey said the guy and his friend looked at him funny and said something, he couldn't even remember what, so he pulled a knife and killed him. The guy looked at him funny, so he killed him! And now he has spent nearly half his life locked up like an animal. If we had a throwing my hands in the air emoji, I would place it here. I don't understand people.

I see some of that in mickey, even just through the forum. If he thinks someone has done him wrong, put him down, his response will be extreme and he wont let go.

Everything isn't a war Mickeycrimm.

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Originally Posted by wasilla

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by wasilla

What are you doing KJ? Singer posted those pictures as evidence of his claims a couple posts after AW posted the skeptical wizard video. When posters like Monet made fun of how clean the RV looked, Singer told us that it looked this clean because all his stuff was packed up and how he had it professionally cleaned. We also learned about gas mileage and what kind of car it towed, how he kept the original bedding, etc. I don't know why you've decided to become Singer's defense attorney, but you're making a distinction without a difference. If Rob wants to claim that he didn't actually lie that the RV he posted was his, then he can face that buzz saw. But what the fuck are you doing? You've been trying to convince everybody that Singer is a liar by saying the same things over and over and over again for years. MaxPen devoted 15 minutes. He doesn't have to call the wizard, grammatically deconstruct sentences, or fly anywhere to prove his point.

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Look I am not defending Singer....trust me I am not. Someone mentioned that it wasn't like Singer to get caught saying something like this when it wasn't that hard to prove it wasn't. That just got me thinking that he didn't actually say "this is my RV" or "here are some pictures of me in my RV". I didn't go back and read every word. There are pages and pages over a couple days, including the day after MaxPen caught him. Maybe he did say it. Maybe he said it to Mike. Doesn't even make much difference to me if he actually said the words. The posting of those pictures, with him at the wheel and on the bed, was in fact saying "This is my RV" even if he didn't technically say the words.

And if he is playing games like that, it really is time for Dan Druff to tell him to knock it off. I mean Dan got involved in the discussion at WoV, requesting proof. If Singer continues to play games and be deceptive, it's time Dan tell him to stop. I am not calling for his banning, but just for him to start acting like a freaking adult and not the troll that he has been for 20 years.

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OK. I'm probably much less internet savvy than others and don't shop online. I thought those photos were from a dealership, but it didn't occur to me that I could actually find that same interior with an internet search. If I felt the need to lie about owning an RV, I might have tried the same thing with some actual personal possessions in the picture and would have been surprised at how easily I could be caught.

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That was Rob's fatal mistake. He fabricated his whole life around a super rare highly custom item. Newell literally makes only a couple dozen RVs a year at most. So once Rob threw up the pics it was super easy to find. Especially since there are no RV shows going on right now. I'd imagine that a Newell is an item purchased new by mostly corporate customers to be used by a race car driver, artist, or other such person. He just succumbed to the pressure he was under to produce authenticity to back up his fabricated story.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

You don't make the rules, cunt.

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queerJ can not be a Cunt?
Dick Sucking Fag ok... but a Cunt??

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Look I am not defending Singer....trust me I am not. Someone mentioned that it wasn't like Singer to get caught saying something like this when it wasn't that hard to prove it wasn't. That just got me thinking that he didn't actually say "this is my RV" or "here are some pictures of me in my RV". I didn't go back and read every word. There are pages and pages over a couple days, including the day after MaxPen caught him. Maybe he did say it. Maybe he said it to Mike. Doesn't even make much difference to me if he actually said the words. The posting of those pictures, with him at the wheel and on the bed, was in fact saying "This is my RV" even if he didn't technically say the words.

And if he is playing games like that, it really is time for Dan Druff to tell him to knock it off. I mean Dan got involved in the discussion at WoV, requesting proof. If Singer continues to play games and be deceptive, it's time Dan tell him to stop. I am not calling for his banning, but just for him to start acting like a freaking adult and not the troll that he has been for 20 years.

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OK. I'm probably much less internet savvy than others and don't shop online. I thought those photos were from a dealership, but it didn't occur to me that I could actually find that same interior with an internet search. If I felt the need to lie about owning an RV, I might have tried the same thing with some actual personal possessions in the picture and would have been surprised at how easily I could be caught.

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That was Rob's fatal mistake. He fabricated his whole life around a super rare highly custom item. Newell literally makes only a couple dozen RVs a year at most. So once Rob threw up the pics it was super easy to find. Especially since there are no RV shows going on right now. I'd imagine that a Newell is an item purchased new by mostly corporate customers to be used by a race car driver, artist, or other such person. He just succumbed to the pressure he was under to produce authenticity to back up his fabricated story.

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Remember, he plans on selling the RV in October/November. Once again, we will get the chanced to relive the interior photographs. At worst, the VIN number will be revealed.

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What are you doing KJ? Singer posted those pictures as evidence of his claims a couple posts after AW posted the skeptical wizard video. When posters like Monet made fun of how clean the RV looked, Singer told us that it looked this clean because all his stuff was packed up and how he had it professionally cleaned. We also learned about gas mileage and what kind of car it towed, how he kept the original bedding, etc. I don't know why you've decided to become Singer's defense attorney, but you're making a distinction without a difference. If Rob wants to claim that he didn't actually lie that the RV he posted was his, then he can face that buzz saw. But what the fuck are you doing? You've been trying to convince everybody that Singer is a liar by saying the same things over and over and over again for years. MaxPen devoted 15 minutes. He doesn't have to call the wizard, grammatically deconstruct sentences, or fly anywhere to prove his point.

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Excellent point wasilla! But you've got to remember part of Kj's purpose in life is to spar with Singer. It's what makes Kj tick! It's what makes Kj the person he is!

I think Kj's scared he might have finally put the nail in Singer's coffin, so he's trying to revive him. Kj's letting Rob know, his story still might be true, if he can construe Rob's words in a certain way. He's crying out to Rob to come back!

This is like Freddy Kruger, or Friday the 13th, it never dies! And when you think it does, Kj tries to revive it, so he can go a couple more rounds with it.

What would Kj do without Rob? He'd be lost!

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For all we know the whole thing could be a setup by Rob to get a rise out of everyone. If it is then he did good job.

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If that's the case, then he should definitely get banned.
I think I mention and brought it up to him that this could be a case if he's ever proven wrong on anything he will just say he was trolling everyone. In my opinion there's trolling, and then there's complete deception and lying. Do we really want participate on forums where people who are lying and being deceptive while leading you to believe one thing can just say there were trolling everyone, haha, it was a big joke?

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If that's the case, then he should definitely get banned.
I think I mention and brought it up to him that this could be a case if he's ever proven wrong on anything he will just say he was trolling everyone. In my opinion there's trolling, and then there's complete deception and lying. Do we really want participate on forums where people who are lying and being deceptive while leading you to believe one thing can just say there were trolling everyone, haha, it was a big joke?

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Another Mother Fucker who thinks he makes the rules or can influence the Site Owner.
This ain't WoV Bitch!
If you want to Ban people you can just go behind their backs at WoV or start your own Website with your pal RS.
You already admit publicly that Private Messaging is your Modus Operandi!
Sneaky Mother Fucker You!

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

About 9 years ago I returned to Florida for a high school reunion. It was the first time I had been back since I left just after graduation. I was only there a few days hanging out and reconnecting with high school friends. One of the guys I hung out with a little in HS, we weren't close friends but had some classes and hung out a little, smoking weed, was a dude name....well I am not going to post his name. Let's call him Trey. Trey always seemed to have a chip on his shoulder. Someone has always done him wrong, or looked at him wrong and he was out to get even.

So I knew Trey was in prison for killing someone. I read about it in the news. I decided to go visit Trey. Just to say hello and let him know someone was thinking about him. I didn't plan to discuss the particulars, but some how we did. Trey said the guy and his friend looked at him funny and said something, he couldn't even remember what, so he pulled a knife and killed him. The guy looked at him funny, so he killed him! And now he has spent nearly half his life locked up like an animal. If we had a throwing my hands in the air emoji, I would place it here. I don't understand people.

I see some of that in mickey, even just through the forum. If he thinks someone has done him wrong, put him down, his response will be extreme and he wont let go.

Everything isn't a war Mickeycrimm.

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Not long ago I watched that movie Monster about that hooker Aileen Wuernos that was killing the johns. She was gay. Hmmm. So gay people are murderers. Hey, KJ is gay. Hmmmm. KJ is a murderer. If you think THIS IS A STRETCH then read KJ's story comparing his asshole friend Trey to me.

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Excellent point wasilla! But you've got to remember part of Kj's purpose in life is to spar with Singer. It's what makes Kj tick! It's what makes Kj the person he is!

I think Kj's scared he might have finally put the nail in Singer's coffin, so he's trying to revive him. Kj's letting Rob know, his story still might be true, if he can construe Rob's words in a certain way. He's crying out to Rob to come back!

This is like Freddy Kruger, or Friday the 13th, it never dies! And when you think it does, Kj tries to revive it, so he can go a couple more rounds with it.

What would Kj do without Rob? He'd be lost!

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For all we know the whole thing could be a setup by Rob to get a rise out of everyone. If it is then he did good job.

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If that's the case, then he should definitely get banned.
I think I mention and brought it up to him that this could be a case if he's ever proven wrong on anything he will just say he was trolling everyone. In my opinion there's trolling, and then there's complete deception and lying. Do we really want participate on forums where people who are lying and being deceptive while leading you to believe one thing can just say there were trolling everyone, haha, it was a big joke?

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Let's be a little openly objective and examine the flip side of the coin for some different perspective. Just how is it that someone supposed to act completely rational while literally being stalked "internet forum wise" constantly by someone whose OBSESSIONS goes way beyond comprehension signaling insanity of the individual. Does anyone know how they would react while being under similar circumstances? I doubt it. Before any discussions of bannings which is none of our business, to begin with, but the owner who I'm sure would look at the complete picture before making any rash decision.

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About 9 years ago I returned to Florida for a high school reunion. It was the first time I had been back since I left just after graduation. I was only there a few days hanging out and reconnecting with high school friends. One of the guys I hung out with a little in HS, we weren't close friends but had some classes and hung out a little, smoking weed, was a dude name....well I am not going to post his name. Let's call him Trey. Trey always seemed to have a chip on his shoulder. Someone has always done him wrong, or looked at him wrong and he was out to get even.

So I knew Trey was in prison for killing someone. I read about it in the news. I decided to go visit Trey. Just to say hello and let him know someone was thinking about him. I didn't plan to discuss the particulars, but some how we did. Trey said the guy and his friend looked at him funny and said something, he couldn't even remember what, so he pulled a knife and killed him. The guy looked at him funny, so he killed him! And now he has spent nearly half his life locked up like an animal. If we had a throwing my hands in the air emoji, I would place it here. I don't understand people.

I see some of that in mickey, even just through the forum. If he thinks someone has done him wrong, put him down, his response will be extreme and he wont let go.

Everything isn't a war Mickeycrimm.

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Not long ago I watched that movie Monster about that hooker Aileen Wuernos that was killing the johns. She was gay. Hmmm. So gay people are murderers. Hey, KJ is gay. Hmmmm. KJ is a murderer. If you think THIS IS A STRETCH then read KJ's story comparing his asshole friend Trey to me.

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Good analogy Mickey. You convinced me. KJ is a murderer.

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About 9 years ago I returned to Florida for a high school reunion. It was the first time I had been back since I left just after graduation. I was only there a few days hanging out and reconnecting with high school friends. One of the guys I hung out with a little in HS, we weren't close friends but had some classes and hung out a little, smoking weed, was a dude name....well I am not going to post his name. Let's call him Trey. Trey always seemed to have a chip on his shoulder. Someone has always done him wrong, or looked at him wrong and he was out to get even.

So I knew Trey was in prison for killing someone. I read about it in the news. I decided to go visit Trey. Just to say hello and let him know someone was thinking about him. I didn't plan to discuss the particulars, but some how we did. Trey said the guy and his friend looked at him funny and said something, he couldn't even remember what, so he pulled a knife and killed him. The guy looked at him funny, so he killed him! And now he has spent nearly half his life locked up like an animal. If we had a throwing my hands in the air emoji, I would place it here. I don't understand people.

I see some of that in mickey, even just through the forum. If he thinks someone has done him wrong, put him down, his response will be extreme and he wont let go.

Everything isn't a war Mickeycrimm.

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Not long ago I watched that movie Monster about that hooker Aileen Wuernos that was killing the johns. She was gay. Hmmm. So gay people are murderers. Hey, KJ is gay. Hmmmm. KJ is a murderer. If you think THIS IS A STRETCH then read KJ's story comparing his asshole friend Trey to me.

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Good analogy Mickey. You convinced me. KJ is a murderer.

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For all we know the whole thing could be a setup by Rob to get a rise out of everyone. If it is then he did good job.

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If that's the case, then he should definitely get banned.
I think I mention and brought it up to him that this could be a case if he's ever proven wrong on anything he will just say he was trolling everyone. In my opinion there's trolling, and then there's complete deception and lying. Do we really want participate on forums where people who are lying and being deceptive while leading you to believe one thing can just say there were trolling everyone, haha, it was a big joke?

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Let's be a little openly objective and examine the flip side of the coin for some different perspective. Just how is it that someone supposed to act completely rational while literally being stalked "internet forum wise" constantly by someone whose OBSESSIONS goes way beyond comprehension signaling insanity of the individual. Does anyone know how they would react while being under similar circumstances? I doubt it. Before any discussions of bannings which is none of our business, to begin with, but the owner who I'm sure would look at the complete picture before making any rash decision.

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can't tell if you're talking about KJ or Rob:D

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About 9 years ago I returned to Florida for a high school reunion. It was the first time I had been back since I left just after graduation. I was only there a few days hanging out and reconnecting with high school friends. One of the guys I hung out with a little in HS, we weren't close friends but had some classes and hung out a little, smoking weed, was a dude name....well I am not going to post his name. Let's call him Trey. Trey always seemed to have a chip on his shoulder. Someone has always done him wrong, or looked at him wrong and he was out to get even.

So I knew Trey was in prison for killing someone. I read about it in the news. I decided to go visit Trey. Just to say hello and let him know someone was thinking about him. I didn't plan to discuss the particulars, but some how we did.

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I'm thinking that you went to see Trey in prison to ask him if he still remembers the wonderful time that you both had getting it on behind the gymnasium. Also to let him know that you made a successful career for yourself being an AP. Surely you told everyone in the reunion including Trey your results from the big move. Redietz, would not even take odds betting against that one.

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I'm thinking that you went to see Trey in prison to ask him if he still remembers the wonderful time that you both had getting it on behind the gymnasium. Also to let him know that you made a successful career for yourself being an AP. Surely you told everyone in the reunion including Trey your results from the big move. Redietz, would not even take odds betting against that one.

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I had sex with Trey or even thought about having sex with Trey the same number of times you have had sex with your grandkids, BoSox. (or at least I am hoping I have judged you right on this). Don't be so hateful BoSox. I don't know what has gotten into you, but I don't think this is who you are. Either that or the decent guy you have portrayed for years was the hoax.

As for your defense of Singer. Singer started this troll of the AP community when I was still in high school. That is how long it has been going on....20 years. I and other AP's have every right to call him out on his phony math and claims. When I call someone out, I will check everything I can check to be absolutely sure I am right. Singer is a public figure. He boasts about that, so it is fair to use his information to double check him and reveal anything that is in direct contradiction to his claims. That is what I did. I haven't spoken of any information, not related to his claims and there is some info there that are other things he has lied about.

I think that is absolutely fair. by the same token, I am not a public figure, but many in the community know my name. Since I present myself as an advantage player who has supported myself from blackjack play for 16 years now, it would be absolutely fair if someone who knew my name looked me up and looked into me (and I am sure some have). And if they discovered that I really worked at fatburger and lived in my mother's basement, they would have every right to post that because it contradicts my claim. If they discovered I had been incrassated for 2 years for robbing a dry cleaner, they would have every right to post that because it would directly contradict my claim. That no one has been able to reveal these things about me isn't for lack of trying. I am clean and am who I say. If Rob had not trolled and lied to the community for 20 years with false and phony claims he would have had nothing to worry about.

Here's another example that may resonate with you BoSox. We both know or know of Don Schlesinger and I think both have a lot of respect for him right? So Don is a public figure. Suppose you looked into Don and found out he isn't really who he claims. Instead he turned out t be another guy we both know of in the community, a guy we know as Zengrifter. A guy who made millions illegally and served time in federal prison for doing so and only played blackjack as a hobby. This would make all Don's claim regarding blackjack a lie and his top book on the subject bullshit. You would have every right to reveal that. Do you see? So your defense of Singer who has strolled and lied to the AP community for decades is misplaced.

Now in closing, I shouldn't have to do this, but just for the record, my example involving Don Schlesinger was for just a made up example to make a point. Don Schlesinger is everything he says and claims as far as his blackjack history and experiences and his book, an outstanding product, heavy on the mathematics of blackjack that has stood the test of time.

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I'm thinking that you went to see Trey in prison to ask him if he still remembers the wonderful time that you both had getting it on behind the gymnasium. Also to let him know that you made a successful career for yourself being an AP. Surely you told everyone in the reunion including Trey your results from the big move. Redietz, would not even take odds betting against that one.

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I had sex with Trey or even thought about having sex with Trey the same number of times you have had sex with your grandkids, BoSox. (or at least I am hoping I have judged you right on this). Don't be so hateful BoSox. I don't know what has gotten into you, but I don't think this is who you are. Either that or the decent guy you have portrayed for years was the hoax.

As for your defense of Singer. Singer started this troll of the AP community when I was still in high school. That is how long it has been going on....20 years. I and other AP's have every right to call him out on his phony math and claims. When I call someone out, I will check everything I can check to be absolutely sure I am right. Singer is a public figure. He boasts about that, so it is fair to use his information to double check him and reveal anything that is in direct contradiction to his claims. That is what I did. I haven't spoken of any information, not related to his claims and there is some info there that are other things he has lied about.

I think that is absolutely fair. by the same token, I am not a public figure, but many in the community know my name. Since I present myself as an advantage player who has supported myself from blackjack play for 16 years now, it would be absolutely fair if someone who knew my name looked me up and looked into me (and I am sure some have). And if they discovered that I really worked at fatburger and lived in my mother's basement, they would have every right to post that because it contradicts my claim. If they discovered I had been incrassated for 2 years for robbing a dry cleaner, they would have every right to post that because it would directly contradict my claim. That no one has been able to reveal these things about me isn't for lack of trying. I am clean and am who I say. If Rob had not trolled and lied to the community for 20 years with false and phony claims he would have had nothing to worry about.

Here's another example that may resonate with you BoSox. We both know or know of Don Schlesinger and I think both have a lot of respect for him right? So Don is a public figure. Suppose you looked into Don and found out he isn't really who he claims. Instead he turned out t be another guy we both know of in the community, a guy we know as Zengrifter. A guy who made millions illegally and served time in federal prison for doing so and only played blackjack as a hobby. This would make all Don's claim regarding blackjack a lie and his top book on the subject bullshit. You would have every right to reveal that. Do you see? So your defense of Singer who has strolled and lied to the AP community for decades is misplaced.

Now in closing, I shouldn't have to do this, but just for the record, my example involving Don Schlesinger was for just a made up example to make a point. Don Schlesinger is everything he says and claims as far as his blackjack history and experiences and his book, an outstanding product, heavy on the mathematics of blackjack that has stood the test of time.

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Most of your posts are like this now, all bullshit and hot air. You must love listening to yourself. At most members-only read or tolerate one paragraph from you. That is your own persona or signature and the primary reason people call you the D---- Q----.

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I'm thinking that you went to see Trey in prison to ask him if he still remembers the wonderful time that you both had getting it on behind the gymnasium. Also to let him know that you made a successful career for yourself being an AP. Surely you told everyone in the reunion including Trey your results from the big move. Redietz, would not even take odds betting against that one.

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I had sex with Trey or even thought about having sex with Trey the same number of times you have had sex with your grandkids, BoSox. (or at least I am hoping I have judged you right on this). Don't be so hateful BoSox. I don't know what has gotten into you, but I don't think this is who you are. Either that or the decent guy you have portrayed for years was the hoax.

As for your defense of Singer. Singer started this troll of the AP community when I was still in high school. That is how long it has been going on....20 years. I and other AP's have every right to call him out on his phony math and claims. When I call someone out, I will check everything I can check to be absolutely sure I am right. Singer is a public figure. He boasts about that, so it is fair to use his information to double check him and reveal anything that is in direct contradiction to his claims. That is what I did. I haven't spoken of any information, not related to his claims and there is some info there that are other things he has lied about.

I think that is absolutely fair. by the same token, I am not a public figure, but many in the community know my name. Since I present myself as an advantage player who has supported myself from blackjack play for 16 years now, it would be absolutely fair if someone who knew my name looked me up and looked into me (and I am sure some have). And if they discovered that I really worked at fatburger and lived in my mother's basement, they would have every right to post that because it contradicts my claim. If they discovered I had been incrassated for 2 years for robbing a dry cleaner, they would have every right to post that because it would directly contradict my claim. That no one has been able to reveal these things about me isn't for lack of trying. I am clean and am who I say. If Rob had not trolled and lied to the community for 20 years with false and phony claims he would have had nothing to worry about.

Here's another example that may resonate with you BoSox. We both know or know of Don Schlesinger and I think both have a lot of respect for him right? So Don is a public figure. Suppose you looked into Don and found out he isn't really who he claims. Instead he turned out t be another guy we both know of in the community, a guy we know as Zengrifter. A guy who made millions illegally and served time in federal prison for doing so and only played blackjack as a hobby. This would make all Don's claim regarding blackjack a lie and his top book on the subject bullshit. You would have every right to reveal that. Do you see? So your defense of Singer who has strolled and lied to the AP community for decades is misplaced.

Now in closing, I shouldn't have to do this, but just for the record, my example involving Don Schlesinger was for just a made up example to make a point. Don Schlesinger is everything he says and claims as far as his blackjack history and experiences and his book, an outstanding product, heavy on the mathematics of blackjack that has stood the test of time.

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KJ, thats a very good idea about people looking into your background to see if you are legit. We would love to do that. GIVE US YOUR REAL NAME AND WE WILL GET TO WORK ON IT! If you don't give up your real name then for all we know you're the little old lady at the wash and fold.

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So Don is a public figure. Suppose you looked into Don and found out he isn't really who he claims. Instead he turned out t be another guy we both know of in the community, a guy we know as Zengrifter. A guy who made millions illegally and served time in federal prison for doing so and only played blackjack as a hobby. This would make all Don's claim regarding blackjack a lie and his top book on the subject bullshit.

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You’re dead wrong Kj. Don’s blackjack book is a good book because it’s correct; it’s not because of who Don is. If Don changes and starts lieing and trolling people and committing crimes, that will not change the contents of Don‘s blackjack book. It’s still accurate!

I’m surprised you think a person’s actions have something to do with math and the physical laws of the universe. If a murderer says 2+2 = 4, it is still 4. It doesn’t become something different because a murderer said it.

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There is no money in selling a book in a niche market like gambling. The publishers make a little money, the writers don't make jackshit. About the only way to go is to self publish an ebook and sell it on Amazon. But my problem was always incentive. Writing takes time. Time is money. I would have had to give up time in the casinos, and the money I made in that time, to produce a book. I did research into what Dancer, Kneeland and others made on their books. It wasn't jackshit. So what was I supposed to think I would make? And now it doesn't matter because I'm living a pretty comfortable life in my old age. I have better things to do than write a book.

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The book is just a gateway to whatever else you are selling.
The system, software, cd, dvd, classes or whatever else is where the money is at I would think.
I don't think this is your style... just saying.

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Yea, maybe Mickey's life is that booked up but hard to imagine. He is totally right about the money situation with the book. Thats why it shouldn't cut into his time where he works. It is a niche book to a niche market, but it'd be a unique book about a profession very few would believe even exists. It would be 100% labor of love.

The main reason I even brought it up is because Mickey spends a lot of time on forums, so I know he has the time. Also he has a fairly unique perspective and he could write a book I'd find worth reading. Obviously he's not going to do shit because I suggested it, but still, I wanted to throw it out there. Doesn't sound like he has much interest. 'better things to do'. Ahh well.

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There is no money in selling a book in a niche market like gambling. The publishers make a little money, the writers don't make jackshit. About the only way to go is to self publish an ebook and sell it on Amazon. But my problem was always incentive. Writing takes time. Time is money. I would have had to give up time in the casinos, and the money I made in that time, to produce a book. I did research into what Dancer, Kneeland and others made on their books. It wasn't jackshit. So what was I supposed to think I would make? And now it doesn't matter because I'm living a pretty comfortable life in my old age. I have better things to do than write a book.

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The book is just a gateway to whatever else you are selling.
The system, software, cd, dvd, classes or whatever else is where the money is at I would think.
I don't think this is your style... just saying.

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Yea, maybe Mickey's life is that booked up but hard to imagine. He is totally right about the money situation with the book. Thats why it shouldn't cut into his time where he works. It is a niche book to a niche market, but it'd be a unique book about a profession very few would believe even exists. It would be 100% labor of love.

The main reason I even brought it up is because Mickey spends a lot of time on forums, so I know he has the time. Also he has a fairly unique perspective and he could write a book I'd find worth reading. Obviously he's not going to do shit because I suggested it, but still, I wanted to throw it out there. Doesn't sound like he has much interest. 'better things to do'. Ahh well.

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accounting, quickly now what month is it? Are you presently at Woodstock?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLy2B00dHSc

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accounting, quickly now what month is it? Are you presently at Woodstock?

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Let me make sure I've got this all lined up.
You want me to ahhh throw this thing into the tub when ahhh White Rabbit peaks?
Is that it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RBwoUbvxx0

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accounting, quickly now what month is it? Are you presently at Woodstock?

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I’m starting to feel sorry for accountinquestion. Even potheads need a break from the constant badgering about their drug problem.

Is The Big Hurt still coming or did it get here?

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accounting, quickly now what month is it? Are you presently at Woodstock?

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I’m starting to feel sorry for accountinquestion. Even potheads need a break from the constant badgering about their drug problem.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Aisb9XIgio

So without Singer this site is now dead. Good job.

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So without Singer this site is now dead. Good job.

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I'm sure you'll get another episode of As Grandpa Newell's Dreams Turn soon enough. It just takes awhile to recover from detonating a claymore mine in your face.

Not supposed to point them things at yourself...... LMAO

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I thought the same think Mickey. It’s clear that Tasha and Cookie Monster aren’t strong enough personalities to fill the gap, although they are trying.

Also, has anybody noticed Kj has left too? Could Singer and Kj be the same person? I’ve heard of stranger things before.

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So without Singer this site is now dead. Good job.

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He was celebrating profusely over the Rob S saga, and I, in turn, hurt his feelings and he will also be gone for a while as he is suffering from real sensitivity issues. He just needs somebody to love.


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So without Singer this site is now dead. Good job.

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He was celebrating profusely over the Rob S saga, and I, in turn, hurt his feelings and he will also be gone for a while as he is suffering from real sensitivity issues.

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You might be right Bosox, but there could be something deeper going on. Singer gave Kj’s life meaning. Now that Kj finally “caught” Singer, Kj’s life could have lost all meaning.

We might have a situation similar to what happened in Les Miserables, where Javert spends his whole life hunting down Jean Valjean. And then when Javier finally catches Jean Valjean, his life loses meaning and Javier committs suicide. I think the story went something like that.

Has anybody checked up on Kj? Are we sure he’s okay?

Maybe people are leaving and have left because this site just has no value of anything other than a troll site with a handful of right wing nut jobs, spouting conspiracy theories, and demonizing anyone who is not a member of the right wing nut job crowd.

This forum is well on its way, probably past the point of no return of ending up exactly like ZenZone or Gamblers glen (at the end), with a very small handful people basically talking to themselves.

Here is what this forum amounts to now:

Singer, a right wing racist and homophobe, and now proven bullshitter who has trolled the AP community for decades.

MickeyCrimm and BoSox, legitimate advantage players, who have allowed their hate and fringe right wing views, dominate them away from any kind of talk of gambling or advantage play, pretty much destroying this forum.

In the process, the transformation of this forum from gambling/AP related to fringe right wing conspiracy/hate forum attracted Bob21. A troll and right wing nut job who poses as someone with interest in BJ advantage play, but his participation of several blackjack forums prior to this shows his interest is not in blackjack but right wing political discussions.

And then there is Monet, a completely deranged fat bastard, who seemingly hates everyone, when in fact it is himself that he really hates.

So good luck. You guys have made your bed, so now lie in it. You have driven just about everyone away except a small handful of people that share your right-wing extreme views. ON a site name Vegas Casino Talk no less. We'll see how long Dan Druff continues to find it amusing now that it will be a half dozen extremist talking to themselves.

I'm surprised the bacc and roulette asswads haven't invaded here yet.

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In the process, the transformation of this forum from gambling/AP related to fringe right wing conspiracy/hate forum attracted Bob21. A troll and right wing nut job who poses as someone with interest in BJ advantage play, but his participation of several blackjack forums prior to this shows his interest is not in blackjack but right wing political discussions.

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Hallelujah, you’re back KJ!!! Even though you’re a nutjob, I didn’t want you to harm yourself.

As far as your statement above I have not made any political comments on Blackjack the Forum or Blackjack info or BJ21. And I haven’t been banned from any of those sites.

The so-called APs at BTF got on my case because I defended casinos when APs said their usually stupid stuff, because I pointed out the casino’s target customers are not APs, and because I believe in tipping.

These were all radically new concepts to the AP crowd, so they had a hard time accepting it, and constantly attacked me.

I have several times asked for the AP code-of-conduct manual so I could learn to be more politically correct with this crowd. Never once has someone posted it for me. So I am still a little in the dark on how an AP should act. Call me an AP novice if you like.

Kj, I know you’re a very sensitive far-left loonybin wacko lefty, so I try to tread lightly when I respond to your posts. I hope I didn’t say anything to offend you.

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Maybe people are leaving and have left because this site just has no value of anything other than a troll site with a handful of right wing nut jobs, spouting conspiracy theories, and demonizing anyone who is not a member of the right wing nut job crowd.

This forum is well on its way, probably past the point of no return of ending up exactly like ZenZone or Gamblers glen (at the end), with a very small handful people basically talking to themselves.

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Come on J, you have been wishing for that for years, but it has yet to happen.
Except for your threats to, who's leaving?

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We might have a situation similar to what happened in Les Miserables, where Javert spends his whole life hunting down Jean Valjean. And then when Javier finally catches Jean Valjean, his life loses meaning and Javier committs suicide. I think the story went something like that.

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Javert jumped into the river because he had broken his vow to uphold the law. He couldn't bring himself to take Jean Valjean in after realizing the honorable way Valjean had redeemed himself and lived his life, but neither could he live with himself after turning his back on everything to which he had devoted his whole life.

If you've ever seen BLOOD IN BLOOD OUT: Bound by Honor, similar thing going on when Paco is forced to shoot his own cousin and homeboy from his former gang after he has become a police officer, when confronted with the choice to either shoot or let his cousin run away from an armed robbery.

Afterwards he tells him that "you can't take away who I am" which was the police officer he had become after getting up and out of the thug life, in explaining why he had to shoot and maim his cousin for life, versus just letting him escape.

Javert let Jean Valjean take away who he was, and he couldn't reconcile himself to that he had been presented with no choice but to let go of his life's principles, in the wake of a higher duty.

I don't think we have anything like that going on here. :D If we did, J would have been compelled to let go of his pursuit of Rob in recognition of that notwithstanding all the past lies Rob had somehow redeemed himself and lived a life of rectitude. Hypothetically speaking of course, I don't wish to get overly involved in this drama. :cool:

MDawg, about that quote that you put up at the end of every post that says:

I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.

You are in fact talking about Vegas Casino Talk the forum right?

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Maybe people are leaving and have left because this site just has no value of anything other than a troll site with a handful of right wing nut jobs, spouting conspiracy theories, and demonizing anyone who is not a member of the right wing nut job crowd.

This forum is well on its way, probably past the point of no return of ending up exactly like ZenZone or Gamblers glen (at the end), with a very small handful people basically talking to themselves.

Here is what this forum amounts to now:

Singer, a right wing racist and homophobe, and now proven bullshitter who has trolled the AP community for decades.

MickeyCrimm and BoSox, legitimate advantage players, who have allowed their hate and fringe right wing views, dominate them away from any kind of talk of gambling or advantage play, pretty much destroying this forum.

In the process, the transformation of this forum from gambling/AP related to fringe right wing conspiracy/hate forum attracted Bob21. A troll and right wing nut job who poses as someone with interest in BJ advantage play, but his participation of several blackjack forums prior to this shows his interest is not in blackjack but right wing political discussions.

And then there is Monet, a completely deranged fat bastard, who seemingly hates everyone, when in fact it is himself that he really hates.

So good luck. You guys have made your bed, so now lie in it. You have driven just about everyone away except a small handful of people that share your right-wing extreme views. ON a site name Vegas Casino Talk no less. We'll see how long Dan Druff continues to find it amusing now that it will be a half dozen extremist talking to themselves.

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We might have a situation similar to what happened in Les Miserables, where Javert spends his whole life hunting down Jean Valjean. And then when Javier finally catches Jean Valjean, his life loses meaning and Javier committs suicide. I think the story went something like that.

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Javert jumped into the river because he had broken his vow to uphold the law. He couldn't bring himself to take Jean Valjean in after realizing the honorable way Valjean had redeemed himself and lived his life, but neither could he live with himself after turning his back on everything to which he had devoted his whole life.

If you've ever seen BLOOD IN BLOOD OUT: Bound by Honor, similar thing going on when Paco is forced to shoot his own cousin and homeboy from his former gang after he has become a police officer, when confronted with the choice to either shoot or let his cousin run away from an armed robbery.

Afterwards he tells him that "you can't take away who I am" which was the police officer he had become after getting up and out of the thug life, in explaining why he had to shoot and maim his cousin for life.

Javert let Jean Valjean take away who he was, and he couldn't reconcile himself to that he had been presented with no choice but to let go of his life's principles, in the wake of a higher duty.

I don't think we have anything like that going on here. :D If we did, J would have been compelled to let go of his pursuit of Rob in recognition of that notwithstanding all the past lies Rob had somehow redeemed himself and lived a life of rectitude.

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MDawg, you’re right. I figured someone would know the plot of Les Miserables and call me out, but it was the best example I could think with the limited time I had. And I’ve seen Les Miserables several times on Broadway so I thought I’d bring it up. I loved that musical!

And in a screwed up way KJ is kind of tortured like Javert was. Kj sees it as his mission in life to call out anybody that doesn’t see life and gambling the way he sees it. Javert obviously had more noble goals in life than Kj. But Kj believes in his too, even though he’s a misguided and lost soul.

Okay, maybe Les Miserables isn’t a good example (in fact, its a bad example), but I can see there’s a true attachment there between KJ and Rob...kind of like Javert and Jean Valjean.

If Rob truly leaves this site, I think Kj is gonna have a hard time moving forward in life. Kj is going to be lost.

You can tell KJ’s purpose in life is his on-going forum battle with Rob. I just hope Kj can latch onto someone else to attack so his life can continue to have purpose (in his demented mind).

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Maybe people are leaving and have left because this site just has no value of anything other than a troll site with a handful of right wing nut jobs, spouting conspiracy theories, and demonizing anyone who is not a member of the right wing nut job crowd.

This forum is well on its way, probably past the point of no return of ending up exactly like ZenZone or Gamblers glen (at the end), with a very small handful people basically talking to themselves.

Here is what this forum amounts to now:

Singer, a right wing racist and homophobe, and now proven bullshitter who has trolled the AP community for decades.

MickeyCrimm and BoSox, legitimate advantage players, who have allowed their hate and fringe right wing views, dominate them away from any kind of talk of gambling or advantage play, pretty much destroying this forum.

In the process, the transformation of this forum from gambling/AP related to fringe right wing conspiracy/hate forum attracted Bob21. A troll and right wing nut job who poses as someone with interest in BJ advantage play, but his participation of several blackjack forums prior to this shows his interest is not in blackjack but right wing political discussions.

And then there is Monet, a completely deranged fat bastard, who seemingly hates everyone, when in fact it is himself that he really hates.

So good luck. You guys have made your bed, so now lie in it. You have driven just about everyone away except a small handful of people that share your right-wing extreme views. ON a site name Vegas Casino Talk no less. We'll see how long Dan Druff continues to find it amusing now that it will be a half dozen extremist talking to themselves.

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KJ's style of trolling is reminiscent of LarryS. He creates a lot of strawmen. Here he states I'm fringe right. I'm nowhere close. I'm middle of the road Independent. I don't support cuts in taxes or entitlements and support a womans right to choose in the first trimester, for example. Those are not fringe right positions. I don't have one position that a reasonable person would consider fringe right.

But here we have KJ saying multiple times over the past 4 years that Trump is not a true conservative. That he was a liberal democrat all his life. Then KJ labels Trump's supporters as fringe righties. WTF? You can't have it both ways, KJ....unless....you got your trolling lessons from LarryS.

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Maybe people are leaving and have left because this site just has no value of anything other than a troll site with a handful of right wing nut jobs, spouting conspiracy theories, and demonizing anyone who is not a member of the right wing nut job crowd.

This forum is well on its way, probably past the point of no return of ending up exactly like ZenZone or Gamblers glen (at the end), with a very small handful people basically talking to themselves.

Here is what this forum amounts to now:

Singer, a right wing racist and homophobe, and now proven bullshitter who has trolled the AP community for decades.

MickeyCrimm and BoSox, legitimate advantage players, who have allowed their hate and fringe right wing views, dominate them away from any kind of talk of gambling or advantage play, pretty much destroying this forum.

In the process, the transformation of this forum from gambling/AP related to fringe right wing conspiracy/hate forum attracted Bob21. A troll and right wing nut job who poses as someone with interest in BJ advantage play, but his participation of several blackjack forums prior to this shows his interest is not in blackjack but right wing political discussions.

And then there is Monet, a completely deranged fat bastard, who seemingly hates everyone, when in fact it is himself that he really hates.

So good luck. You guys have made your bed, so now lie in it. You have driven just about everyone away except a small handful of people that share your right-wing extreme views. ON a site name Vegas Casino Talk no less. We'll see how long Dan Druff continues to find it amusing now that it will be a half dozen extremist talking to themselves.

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Did you take a look at the misfits you are playing with at DT?

While kissing the Wizards ass to be back at a site (WoV) where little gambling information is discussed.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Maybe people are leaving and have left because this site just has no value of anything other than a troll site with a handful of right wing nut jobs, spouting conspiracy theories, and demonizing anyone who is not a member of the right wing nut job crowd.

This forum is well on its way, probably past the point of no return of ending up exactly like ZenZone or Gamblers glen (at the end), with a very small handful people basically talking to themselves.

Here is what this forum amounts to now:

Singer, a right wing racist and homophobe, and now proven bullshitter who has trolled the AP community for decades.

MickeyCrimm and BoSox, legitimate advantage players, who have allowed their hate and fringe right wing views, dominate them away from any kind of talk of gambling or advantage play, pretty much destroying this forum.

In the process, the transformation of this forum from gambling/AP related to fringe right wing conspiracy/hate forum attracted Bob21. A troll and right wing nut job who poses as someone with interest in BJ advantage play, but his participation of several blackjack forums prior to this shows his interest is not in blackjack but right wing political discussions.

And then there is Monet, a completely deranged fat bastard, who seemingly hates everyone, when in fact it is himself that he really hates.

So good luck. You guys have made your bed, so now lie in it. You have driven just about everyone away except a small handful of people that share your right-wing extreme views. ON a site name Vegas Casino Talk no less. We'll see how long Dan Druff continues to find it amusing now that it will be a half dozen extremist talking to themselves.

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Did you take a look at the misfits you are playing with at DT?

While kissing the Wizards ass to be back at a site (WoV) where little gambling information is discussed.

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And KJ announced at DT that he plans to leave this site if everything works out over there. My first question is why do things have to work out over there to quit posting here. If you don't like this site then leave, KJ. Don't make it dependent on something else. Just get the fuck out.

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Maybe people are leaving and have left because this site just has no value of anything other than a troll site with a handful of right wing nut jobs, spouting conspiracy theories, and demonizing anyone who is not a member of the right wing nut job crowd.

This forum is well on its way, probably past the point of no return of ending up exactly like ZenZone or Gamblers glen (at the end), with a very small handful people basically talking to themselves.

Here is what this forum amounts to now:

Singer, a right wing racist and homophobe, and now proven bullshitter who has trolled the AP community for decades.

MickeyCrimm and BoSox, legitimate advantage players, who have allowed their hate and fringe right wing views, dominate them away from any kind of talk of gambling or advantage play, pretty much destroying this forum.

In the process, the transformation of this forum from gambling/AP related to fringe right wing conspiracy/hate forum attracted Bob21. A troll and right wing nut job who poses as someone with interest in BJ advantage play, but his participation of several blackjack forums prior to this shows his interest is not in blackjack but right wing political discussions.

And then there is Monet, a completely deranged fat bastard, who seemingly hates everyone, when in fact it is himself that he really hates.

So good luck. You guys have made your bed, so now lie in it. You have driven just about everyone away except a small handful of people that share your right-wing extreme views. ON a site name Vegas Casino Talk no less. We'll see how long Dan Druff continues to find it amusing now that it will be a half dozen extremist talking to themselves.

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Did you take a look at the misfits you are playing with at DT?

While kissing the Wizards ass to be back at a site (WoV) where little gambling information is discussed.

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And KJ announced at DT that he plans to leave this site if everything works out over there. My first question is why do things have to work out over there to quit posting here. If you don't like this site then leave, KJ. Don't make it dependent on something else. Just get the fuck out.

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I’m guessing AMS will meetup with his new “friend” on his next Vegas trip. And KJ will teach him all about BJ in places he never visited. Maybe even the freak from Mexico can meetup with him if “it” is still around. Not sure if it is anymore.

Actually I’m kind of happy for KJ, it was always understood he would do anything to get back at WoV. For some reason he has been obsessed with it for years. It’s something you or I would never understand, but it’s more than an obsession for him.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Maybe people are leaving and have left because this site just has no value of anything other than a troll site with a handful of right wing nut jobs, spouting conspiracy theories, and demonizing anyone who is not a member of the right wing nut job crowd.

This forum is well on its way, probably past the point of no return of ending up exactly like ZenZone or Gamblers glen (at the end), with a very small handful people basically talking to themselves.

Here is what this forum amounts to now:

Singer, a right wing racist and homophobe, and now proven bullshitter who has trolled the AP community for decades.

MickeyCrimm and BoSox, legitimate advantage players, who have allowed their hate and fringe right wing views, dominate them away from any kind of talk of gambling or advantage play, pretty much destroying this forum.

In the process, the transformation of this forum from gambling/AP related to fringe right wing conspiracy/hate forum attracted Bob21. A troll and right wing nut job who poses as someone with interest in BJ advantage play, but his participation of several blackjack forums prior to this shows his interest is not in blackjack but right wing political discussions.

And then there is Monet, a completely deranged fat bastard, who seemingly hates everyone, when in fact it is himself that he really hates.

So good luck. You guys have made your bed, so now lie in it. You have driven just about everyone away except a small handful of people that share your right-wing extreme views. ON a site name Vegas Casino Talk no less. We'll see how long Dan Druff continues to find it amusing now that it will be a half dozen extremist talking to themselves.

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KJ's style of trolling is reminiscent of LarryS. He creates a lot of strawmen. Here he states I'm fringe right. I'm nowhere close. I'm middle of the road Independent. I don't support cuts in taxes or entitlements and support a womans right to choose in the first trimester, for example. Those are not fringe right positions. I don't have one position that a reasonable person would consider fringe right.

But here we have KJ saying multiple times over the past 4 years that Trump is not a true conservative. That he was a liberal democrat all his life. Then KJ labels Trump's supporters as fringe righties. WTF? You can't have it both ways, KJ....unless....you got your trolling lessons from LarryS.

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MC, interesting to read that you are a middle of the road independent. As I have stated previously, so am I. I agree on your three comments. Personally, I wish both candidates were 5 degrees off center but that is not possible. DeWine would be a perfect candidate. Loved John Kasich four years ago.

You support Trump a hell of a lot more than I would. That is why some posters believe you are on the right side of the aisle. I might have to pick up the ball for KJ as he tried to present views from the mainstream. Then again, it might be more comfortable to watch from the bleachers with massive social distancing.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Maybe people are leaving and have left because this site just has no value of anything other than a troll site with a handful of right wing nut jobs, spouting conspiracy theories, and demonizing anyone who is not a member of the right wing nut job crowd.

This forum is well on its way, probably past the point of no return of ending up exactly like ZenZone or Gamblers glen (at the end), with a very small handful people basically talking to themselves.

Here is what this forum amounts to now:

Singer, a right wing racist and homophobe, and now proven bullshitter who has trolled the AP community for decades.

MickeyCrimm and BoSox, legitimate advantage players, who have allowed their hate and fringe right wing views, dominate them away from any kind of talk of gambling or advantage play, pretty much destroying this forum.

In the process, the transformation of this forum from gambling/AP related to fringe right wing conspiracy/hate forum attracted Bob21. A troll and right wing nut job who poses as someone with interest in BJ advantage play, but his participation of several blackjack forums prior to this shows his interest is not in blackjack but right wing political discussions.

And then there is Monet, a completely deranged fat bastard, who seemingly hates everyone, when in fact it is himself that he really hates.

So good luck. You guys have made your bed, so now lie in it. You have driven just about everyone away except a small handful of people that share your right-wing extreme views. ON a site name Vegas Casino Talk no less. We'll see how long Dan Druff continues to find it amusing now that it will be a half dozen extremist talking to themselves.

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KJ's style of trolling is reminiscent of LarryS. He creates a lot of strawmen. Here he states I'm fringe right. I'm nowhere close. I'm middle of the road Independent. I don't support cuts in taxes or entitlements and support a womans right to choose in the first trimester, for example. Those are not fringe right positions. I don't have one position that a reasonable person would consider fringe right.

But here we have KJ saying multiple times over the past 4 years that Trump is not a true conservative. That he was a liberal democrat all his life. Then KJ labels Trump's supporters as fringe righties. WTF? You can't have it both ways, KJ....unless....you got your trolling lessons from LarryS.

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I might have to pick up the ball for KJ as he tried to present views from the mainstream. Then again, it might be more comfortable to watch from the bleachers with massive social distancing.

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Deech, get yourself a hockey goalie mask, and full pads in preparation if you want to represent today's mainstream.

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KJ's style of trolling is reminiscent of LarryS. He creates a lot of strawmen. Here he states I'm fringe right. I'm nowhere close. I'm middle of the road Independent. I don't support cuts in taxes or entitlements and support a womans right to choose in the first trimester, for example. Those are not fringe right positions. I don't have one position that a reasonable person would consider fringe right.

But here we have KJ saying multiple times over the past 4 years that Trump is not a true conservative. That he was a liberal democrat all his life. Then KJ labels Trump's supporters as fringe righties. WTF? You can't have it both ways, KJ....unless....you got your trolling lessons from LarryS.

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I might have to pick up the ball for KJ as he tried to present views from the mainstream. Then again, it might be more comfortable to watch from the bleachers with massive social distancing.

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Deech, get yourself a hockey goalie mask, and full pads in preparation if you want to represent today's mainstream.

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Or just do what MidWest Player does. Throw bombs and run. That's probably the best approach.

Also, if you don't want people to make jokes at you constantly, you probably shouldn't do what accountinquestoin did, and brag about being a pothead. Lol

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I might have to pick up the ball for KJ as he tried to present views from the mainstream. Then again, it might be more comfortable to watch from the bleachers with massive social distancing.

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Deech, get yourself a hockey goalie mask, and full pads in preparation if you want to represent today's mainstream.

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Or just do what MidWest Player does. Throw bombs and run. That's probably the best approach.

Also, if you don't want people to make jokes at you constantly, you probably shouldn't do what accountinquestoin did, and brag about being a pothead. Lol

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You are pathetic. I knew it'd happen. 100% if anyone knew about you and your life I could make jokes galore with my friends. Bullies do similar things in HS. Gang up! I don't care. You're not worth interacting with before that, and you're sure as fuck not worth interacting with now.

I don't think I post in here in days and I see about 8 posts referencing me. Lols. W-I-N-N-E-R-S obviously.

I get pulled into pits of morons. This isn't the first.

Anyway. Somewhere in this thread KewlJ realized that this site is nothing but a bunch of low value right-wing trolls. That sums it up.

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Deech, get yourself a hockey goalie mask, and full pads in preparation if you want to represent today's mainstream.

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Or just do what MidWest Player does. Throw bombs and run. That's probably the best approach.

Also, if you don't want people to make jokes at you constantly, you probably shouldn't do what accountinquestoin did, and brag about being a pothead. Lol

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I don't think I post in here in days and I see about 8 posts referencing me. Lols. W-I-N-N-E-R-S obvious

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Maybe people are leaving and have left because this site just has no value of anything other than a troll site with a handful of right wing nut jobs, spouting conspiracy theories, and demonizing anyone who is not a member of the right wing nut job crowd.

This forum is well on its way, probably past the point of no return of ending up exactly like ZenZone or Gamblers glen (at the end), with a very small handful people basically talking to themselves.

Here is what this forum amounts to now:

Singer, a right wing racist and homophobe, and now proven bullshitter who has trolled the AP community for decades.

MickeyCrimm and BoSox, legitimate advantage players, who have allowed their hate and fringe right wing views, dominate them away from any kind of talk of gambling or advantage play, pretty much destroying this forum.

In the process, the transformation of this forum from gambling/AP related to fringe right wing conspiracy/hate forum attracted Bob21. A troll and right wing nut job who poses as someone with interest in BJ advantage play, but his participation of several blackjack forums prior to this shows his interest is not in blackjack but right wing political discussions.

And then there is Monet, a completely deranged fat bastard, who seemingly hates everyone, when in fact it is himself that he really hates.

So good luck. You guys have made your bed, so now lie in it. You have driven just about everyone away except a small handful of people that share your right-wing extreme views. ON a site name Vegas Casino Talk no less. We'll see how long Dan Druff continues to find it amusing now that it will be a half dozen extremist talking to themselves.

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Did you take a look at the misfits you are playing with at DT?

While kissing the Wizards ass to be back at a site (WoV) where little gambling information is discussed.

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And KJ announced at DT that he plans to leave this site if everything works out over there. My first question is why do things have to work out over there to quit posting here. If you don't like this site then leave, KJ. Don't make it dependent on something else. Just get the fuck out.

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Here's the thing, Kj needs conflict, but he just won't admit it. I just spent some time over at DT, and boy was that a boring pathetic site. It looks like Kj signed onto DT in 2013 and he's only made 29 posts. Yes, you read that right, Kj makes about 3 posts a year on DT.

I mean Kj makes about 29 posts a day over here when his idol, Singer, is playing ball with him.

So I expect Kj will get bored over there and come back here and look for conflict, since that's what makes Kj tick. Kj's life has no purpose unless he can constantly attack and troll someone.

As for accountinquestion, I think right now he's just searching. He's lost without Kj's leadership. Once Kj is back, we'll see accountinquestion back in full form posting all his far left liberal ideas. And of course, Kj will be right there supporting him. Accountinquestion just needs some cover for all his stupid left-wing liberal beliefs.

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Or just do what MidWest Player does. Throw bombs and run. That's probably the best approach.

Also, if you don't want people to make jokes at you constantly, you probably shouldn't do what accountinquestoin did, and brag about being a pothead. Lol

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I don't think I post in here in days and I see about 8 posts referencing me. Lols. W-I-N-N-E-R-S obvious

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Lol. I really think accountinquestion needs to take a break from this forum and go over to DT, where Kj, his idol, is.

Over there people probably won’t make as much fun of him for bragging about being a pothead.

And I’ll bet you in the future when accountinquestion joins a new forum, he doesn’t start off by bragging about being a pothead.

This was actually a good learning experience for accountinquestion. There is nothing to brag about when you’re a pothead.

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I don't think I post in here in days and I see about 8 posts referencing me. Lols. W-I-N-N-E-R-S obvious

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Lol. I really think accountinquestion needs to take a break from this forum and go over to DT, where Kj, his idol, is.

Over there people probably won’t make as much fun of him for bragging about being a pothead.

And I’ll bet you in the future when accountinquestion joins a new forum, he doesn’t start off by bragging about being a pothead.

This was actually a good learning experience for accountinquestion. There is nothing to brag about when you’re a pothead.

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Bob, you try so I hard I feel you have given up on life elsewhere. Any truth to that read?

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I'm middle of the road Independent.

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This is laughable. I don't want to accuse you of being drunk, but are you drinking mickey?

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I don't support cuts in taxes or entitlements and support a womans right to choose in the first trimester, for example.

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I don't really care what you support or don't support. That is not me dismissing you, that is the god's honest truth. Participating at WoV with you for 2-3 years, and then at GF's for a couple years and the first 2 years here up until about a year ago, you never mentioned politics or shared your political views. Up until a year ago if you asked me what your political views were, I would have had no idea. And that is the way it was supposed to be....these are gambling forums! So it is not me that changed mickey....it is you. And I don't think it is a coincidence that change took place exactly when you and Rob formed a truce or alliance or whatever you want to call it. THAT is when everything out of your month became about politics and very oddly, Rob's politics. :confused:

Let me expand a bit on our history. After WoV, I encountered you at GF's. Like I said, you never talked politics. If someone asked me your politics, I wouldn't a have had any idea. The discussion there broke down along mathematics and advantage players. You and I both being AP's from different parts of the AP tree, both strongly believed in the math and fought with the likes of anti-Ap guys like Larrys about it.

So when GF, imploded and a bunch of us that are now here left, YOU invited me here. You suggested I come here to talk gambling and advantage play. At that time you were involved in a years long battle with Rob Singer OVER the math of gambling, advantage play and video poker. I suspect you knew I would have a problem with Singer's math defying claims. At that time there was no double up bug claim. The claim was 10 years, over a million dollars profit, off his hocus pocus system, special plays, progressive betting video poker system, all of which defy the math both then and now. So you knew I would join you in fighting and debunking that, because I am about the math. Still am. Again, it isn't me that changed, it is you. You stopped talking gambling math. You stopped sharing your experiences and the math behind your plays. YOU changed...not me.

Now let's move on to Bob21. here are the first few lines from Bob21's first post here to me:

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Hey kJ, I’m one that has valued your posts - and advice - for at least two years now as a lurker. I don’t know or care what happened at the other forums where you got banned, but I’m glad you found this forum where free speech and debate is allowed.

Since you’ve been doing this for over ten years, I have a very general questions I hope you will answer.....

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Bob came here posing as a member interested in blackjack, just as he did on a couple other blackjack forums.

Let me ask you this bob21? What have you EVER contributed on this forum along the topics of Las Vegas, Casinos, gambling for which this forum is named? Not a damn thing that would be the least bit beneficial to anyone else. The only gambling discussion you have engaged in has been pro-casino, anti-AP positions, mostly the same stupid arguments that LarryS used to make. You are not an AP, or blackjack player that you posed of, you are a troll wanting to engage in political debate. and 99%, make that 99.9% of your posts do just that. You certainly aren't about talk of Vegas, casinos or gambling! :rolleyes:

Your comments about Singer and I are your usual stupidity. I don't need Singer. I have participated on blackjack/gambling related forums for 12-13 years. I never heard of Rob Singer until I came here a couple years ago. He just happens to be the latest anti-Math guy with a hocus pocus system that defies mathematics to the tune of millions of dollars. I will always speak out and debunk these guys. And now that I have, there really is no reason for me to continue here. Singer and all his claims have been completely debunked and proven false. The only people claiming to still believe are earth is flat, moon-landing a fake type conspiracy theorists.

This forum is now about politics, nothing more. So you guys have at it. I don't think you can. This site is nothing without you having someone that you have demonized Bob21, that is why you keep calling me back. Talk about who is obsessed. Just go on with your little extremist political conspiracy nonsense. You don't need me.

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KJ's style of trolling is reminiscent of LarryS. He creates a lot of strawmen. Here he states I'm fringe right. I'm nowhere close. I'm middle of the road Independent. I don't support cuts in taxes or entitlements and support a womans right to choose in the first trimester, for example. Those are not fringe right positions. I don't have one position that a reasonable person would consider fringe right.

But here we have KJ saying multiple times over the past 4 years that Trump is not a true conservative. That he was a liberal democrat all his life. Then KJ labels Trump's supporters as fringe righties. WTF? You can't have it both ways, KJ....unless....you got your trolling lessons from LarryS.

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I might have to pick up the ball for KJ as he tried to present views from the mainstream. Then again, it might be more comfortable to watch from the bleachers with massive social distancing.

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Deech, get yourself a hockey goalie mask, and full pads in preparation if you want to represent today's mainstream.

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Funny that you say that as I coached youth hockey in Ohio in the early 80's. As a college hockey nut, my biggest regret (excluding the pandemic) is missing the Frozen Four in Detroit this year. As for preparing myself as a goalie, I admire Eddie Giacomin and Mike Richter (whom the college hockey goalie of the year award is honored). But if you are going to put me in between the pipes, I want to be Gump Worsley. He was one of the last players to go at it without a mask. He played on the hapless Rangers in the 1950's and the had great success with the Canadians.

Gump had two great lines. In the mid 50's, as the Rangers goalie, he was asked which team gave him the most trouble? He replied, the New York Rangers. Also, when opponents tried to tease him about having a beer gut, he corrected them. "I do not have a beer gut, I only drink Seagram's VO and ginger ale.".

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Maybe people are leaving and have left because this site just has no value of anything other than a troll site with a handful of right wing nut jobs, spouting conspiracy theories, and demonizing anyone who is not a member of the right wing nut job crowd.

This forum is well on its way, probably past the point of no return of ending up exactly like ZenZone or Gamblers glen (at the end), with a very small handful people basically talking to themselves.

Here is what this forum amounts to now:

Singer, a right wing racist and homophobe, and now proven bullshitter who has trolled the AP community for decades.

MickeyCrimm and BoSox, legitimate advantage players, who have allowed their hate and fringe right wing views, dominate them away from any kind of talk of gambling or advantage play, pretty much destroying this forum.

In the process, the transformation of this forum from gambling/AP related to fringe right wing conspiracy/hate forum attracted Bob21. A troll and right wing nut job who poses as someone with interest in BJ advantage play, but his participation of several blackjack forums prior to this shows his interest is not in blackjack but right wing political discussions.

And then there is Monet, a completely deranged fat bastard, who seemingly hates everyone, when in fact it is himself that he really hates.

So good luck. You guys have made your bed, so now lie in it. You have driven just about everyone away except a small handful of people that share your right-wing extreme views. ON a site name Vegas Casino Talk no less. We'll see how long Dan Druff continues to find it amusing now that it will be a half dozen extremist talking to themselves.

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No matter what you say queerJ, you are the one that told Alan Mendelson that Hitler's Recipe was from the bones of Alan's family to make MendleBread!
Funniest shit I ever read on any forum actually.
This is probably why rdw4potus said you were banned at WoV for "Startlingly Proud White Supremacism."
So just remember that when you are hanging out at DT or maybe WoV and shooting the breeze with your pals and Alan.
Not sure how you get a pass with those liberals when you tell Alan that his family is part of Hitlers MendleBread recipe.
That seems worse than what Singer said about Redietz's late wife.
Even Redietz mentioned that he never used the word MendleBread when referring to Alan on a recent WoV Post.
That was too low for even Redietz.

You were constantly calling Alan Mendleson a Shyster as well.
Faked your own death on the internet forums lol.
You will always have those stains on your reputation even though you proclaim that your an honest person.
Bringing Hitler and his bread recipe into the conversation is astonishing for such a swell person as you.
You probably faked this whole story of you and your brother catching the Chinese Virus.
Hopefully you and Alan will get your Free Money from Nevada Unemployment because you deserve it.

Fee-fi-fo-fum,
I smell the blood of an Englishman,
Be he alive, or be he dead
I'll grind his bones to make my bread.

LarryS', er, KJ's latest troll is to long to quote. Deech has recognized that my views are middle of the road but not KJ. It just cant be that way for Troll KJ or his world will fall apart. And he is flat out lying about me not making posts with political commentary. I've been doing it for years. Troll KJ, like LarryS, just likes to make up his own facts. You know....Strawman KJ. So troll on with those strawman arguments, KJ.

Oh, one more thing, Strawman KJ. Your bosom buddy, Shack is sitting on some information about Singer. Information that would be favorable to Rob. The question is why is Shackleford keeping the information to himself?

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LarryS', er, KJ's latest troll is to long to quote. Deech has recognized that my views are middle of the road but not KJ. It just cant be that way for Troll KJ or his world will fall apart. And he is flat out lying about me not making posts with political commentary. I've been doing it for years. Troll KJ, like LarryS, just likes to make up his own facts. You know....Strawman KJ. So troll on with those strawman arguments, KJ.

Oh, one more thing, Strawman KJ. Your bosom buddy, Shack is sitting on some information about Singer. Information that would be favorable to Rob. The question is why is Shackleford keeping the information to himself?

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queerJ has it so bad he used the name Spiderman over at Norms site.
After Norm found it was queerJ, he banned the account immediately.
This is the honest type of individual that Mike wants back on his forums.
How many years has queerJ been begging Mike to get back on WoV?
queerJ admitted that he was constantly sending Mike emails.

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queerJ has it so bad he used the name Spiderman over at Norms site.
After Norm found it was queerJ, he banned the account immediately.
This is the honest type of individual that Mike wants back on his forums.
How many years has queerJ been begging Mike to get back on WoV?
queerJ admitted that he was constantly sending Mike emails.

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Calm down you pork chop. Don't get yourself all riled up. I thought you porky bastards were supposed to be jolly. :confused:

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Oh, one more thing, Strawman KJ. Your bosom buddy, Shack is sitting on some information about Singer. Information that would be favorable to Rob. The question is why is Shackleford keeping the information to himself?

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Listen to this bullshit. Mike gave Rob a freaking hour to make his case. Rob had nothing. Whatever it is that you or the clown you are enabling have come up with after the fact, is just more Singer bullshit!

But if you want to talk about information that would seal the deal and be devastating to Rob, I am sitting on 2 years tax returns from the period in question. And they don't show what he claimed. I am sure Rob has an explanation though. Like tax fraud and evasion, just like bankruptcy is a wealth building tool. :cool:

And let's expand on this just a little bit further. I haven't reported Rob to the IRS, because that isn't something I do. But there are quite a number of people that have read Rob's claim double up bug claim since he revealed it in the last year and almost assuredly have reported it. That is what happens when you are a dick to so many people.

Now I know Rob thinks the statue of limitations for tax fraud is 3 years, doubled to 6 years if the amount is more than 25% of your income, but that is only for the IRS to bring a criminal tax fraud case. There is no statute of limitations for a civil case, which would not result in jail time, but instead be quite costly with taxes owed, penalty and interest. I mean that would cost Rob half of what he claims to have made.

So since it is highly likely someone who Rob treated like shit reported him, why has nothing come of it? Answer: Because the whole thing was made up. You can bet your ass that once it was reported the IRS looked into the matter and acquired casino records. If there was anything to Rob's claim, they would have found it, proving yet again, there is nothing there. It's all made up. The guy stole Nestor/Kane's claim, and everyone knows it. You even know it mickeycrimm, but for whatever reason, you are hell bend on joining Rob in this troll game.

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You probably faked this whole story of you and your brother catching the Chinese Virus.

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I thought the same thing monet. Kj made it up. Since Kj is a drama queen, he needs to make things up to gain attention.

Over at DT, he said he got the Chinese virus and nobody even commented on it. I think they’ve already figured Kj out and see he just goes around trying to get attention.

So what does Kj do? He comes back over here to troll the whole community. Kj is just a very distruptive human being. It’s surprising he’s only been bannned on 4 forums.

I can only imagine what it was like to be his parents raising him, while he was constantly making up stores to garner attention.

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Oh, one more thing, Strawman KJ. Your bosom buddy, Shack is sitting on some information about Singer. Information that would be favorable to Rob. The question is why is Shackleford keeping the information to himself?

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Listen to this bullshit. Mike gave Rob a freaking hour to make his case. Rob had nothing. Whatever it is that you or the clown you are enabling have come up with after the fact, is just more Singer bullshit!

But if you want to talk about information that would seal the deal and be devastating to Rob, I am sitting on 2 years tax returns from the period in question. And they don't show what he claimed. I am sure Rob has an explanation though. Like tax fraud and evasion, just like bankruptcy is a wealth building tool. :cool:

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Why would Rob or anyone go on the wizard podcast to prove their case? Rob, went on the show and told his story no one told him he had to prove it or even why. Why should anyone care if someone believes in their story or not? Rob, is content with himself, do you actually believe that he cares whether or not people believe it? No one has proven that he did not actually do the double up bug. Why are you dragging mickeycrimm into a conspiracy theory?

While you are at it why don't you do the New York Times a favor and look into Trump's tax records?

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And let's expand on this just a little bit further. I haven't reported Rob to the IRS, because that isn't something I do. But there are quite a number of people that have read Rob's claim double up bug claim since he revealed it in the last year and almost assuredly have reported it. That is what happens when you are a dick to so many people.

Now I know Rob thinks the statue of limitations for tax fraud is 3 years, doubled to 6 years if the amount is more than 25% of your income, but that is only for the IRS to bring a criminal tax fraud case. There is no statute of limitations for a civil case, which would not result in jail time, but instead be quite costly with taxes owed, penalty and interest. I mean that would cost Rob half of what he claims to have made.

So since it is highly likely someone who Rob treated like shit reported him, why has nothing come of it? Answer: Because the whole thing was made up. You can bet your ass that once it was reported the IRS looked into the matter and acquired casino records. If there was anything to Rob's claim, they would have found it, proving yet again, there is nothing there. It's all made up. The guy stole Nestor/Kane's claim, and everyone knows it. You even know it mickeycrimm, but for whatever reason, you are hell bend on joining Rob in this troll game.

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Shack is definitely sitting on some information.

How did you get the IRS to send you someone else's private tax returns that can't be released without that person's consent? If you are in possession then its you that needs to worry about the law. What kind of bird can't fly? KJ the Jailbird.

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And let's expand on this just a little bit further. I haven't reported Rob to the IRS, because that isn't something I do. But there are quite a number of people that have read Rob's claim double up bug claim since he revealed it in the last year and almost assuredly have reported it. That is what happens when you are a dick to so many people.

Now I know Rob thinks the statue of limitations for tax fraud is 3 years, doubled to 6 years if the amount is more than 25% of your income, but that is only for the IRS to bring a criminal tax fraud case. There is no statute of limitations for a civil case, which would not result in jail time, but instead be quite costly with taxes owed, penalty and interest. I mean that would cost Rob half of what he claims to have made.

So since it is highly likely someone who Rob treated like shit reported him, why has nothing come of it? Answer: Because the whole thing was made up. You can bet your ass that once it was reported the IRS looked into the matter and acquired casino records. If there was anything to Rob's claim, they would have found it, proving yet again, there is nothing there. It's all made up. The guy stole Nestor/Kane's claim, and everyone knows it. You even know it mickeycrimm, but for whatever reason, you are hell bend on joining Rob in this troll game.

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Shack is definitely sitting on some information.

How did you get the IRS to send you someone else's private tax returns that can't be released without that person's consent? If you are in possession then its you that needs to worry about the law. What kind of bird can't fly? KJ the Jailbird.

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I thought the same thing. How does one get someone’s Tax returns? Complete with someone’s SS number? If nothing else it shows how obsessed KJ is with Singer. All because of his “standing” in the AP community. From a guy who never proved ANYTHING he has said is true. How about releasing YOUR tax returns KJ.

One thing is for sure, the Singer story isn’t over. The only thing left to see is who ends up with egg on their face.

Yes KJ, I meant actual egg, stop getting eggcited.

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And let's expand on this just a little bit further. I haven't reported Rob to the IRS, because that isn't something I do. But there are quite a number of people that have read Rob's claim double up bug claim since he revealed it in the last year and almost assuredly have reported it. That is what happens when you are a dick to so many people.

Now I know Rob thinks the statue of limitations for tax fraud is 3 years, doubled to 6 years if the amount is more than 25% of your income, but that is only for the IRS to bring a criminal tax fraud case. There is no statute of limitations for a civil case, which would not result in jail time, but instead be quite costly with taxes owed, penalty and interest. I mean that would cost Rob half of what he claims to have made.

So since it is highly likely someone who Rob treated like shit reported him, why has nothing come of it? Answer: Because the whole thing was made up. You can bet your ass that once it was reported the IRS looked into the matter and acquired casino records. If there was anything to Rob's claim, they would have found it, proving yet again, there is nothing there. It's all made up. The guy stole Nestor/Kane's claim, and everyone knows it. You even know it mickeycrimm, but for whatever reason, you are hell bend on joining Rob in this troll game.

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And when the IRS got thru with their investigation they reported all that information to you? Strawman KJ, at it again.

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You probably faked this whole story of you and your brother catching the Chinese Virus.

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I thought the same thing monet. Kj made it up. Since Kj is a drama queen, he needs to make things up to gain attention.

Over at DT, he said he got the Chinese virus and nobody even commented on it. I think they’ve already figured Kj out and see he just goes around trying to get attention.

So what does Kj do? He comes back over here to troll the whole community. Kj is just a very distruptive human being. It’s surprising he’s only been bannned on 4 forums.

I can only imagine what it was like to be his parents raising him, while he was constantly making up stores to garner attention.

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Since KJ likes to spread conspiracy theories all over the place, I like to try one regarding KJ.

My theory is called: "So much for gratitude"

Has KJ, who painstakingly trained his younger brother to also become a Professional Blackjack Player like himself, given a thought that his brother deliberately brought home that virus. What did he have to lose? His brother KJ has a history of previous heart problems. He already learned all of KJ's tricks of the trade. Sure he has nice living arrangements, but, it could all be his. He could also double his rotation by eliminating some very real competition. Last but not least there is that large inheritance TO THINK ABOUT. After all KJ has never actually shown him proof of his winnings, so he has only two assumptions to go on, if the money is there, and if he is the benefactor. KJ stop worrying about all those fake dreams of enemies entering your building and start looking closer to home.

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And let's expand on this just a little bit further. I haven't reported Rob to the IRS, because that isn't something I do. But there are quite a number of people that have read Rob's claim double up bug claim since he revealed it in the last year and almost assuredly have reported it. That is what happens when you are a dick to so many people.

Now I know Rob thinks the statue of limitations for tax fraud is 3 years, doubled to 6 years if the amount is more than 25% of your income, but that is only for the IRS to bring a criminal tax fraud case. There is no statute of limitations for a civil case, which would not result in jail time, but instead be quite costly with taxes owed, penalty and interest. I mean that would cost Rob half of what he claims to have made.

So since it is highly likely someone who Rob treated like shit reported him, why has nothing come of it? Answer: Because the whole thing was made up. You can bet your ass that once it was reported the IRS looked into the matter and acquired casino records. If there was anything to Rob's claim, they would have found it, proving yet again, there is nothing there. It's all made up. The guy stole Nestor/Kane's claim, and everyone knows it. You even know it mickeycrimm, but for whatever reason, you are hell bend on joining Rob in this troll game.

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Shack is definitely sitting on some information.

How did you get the IRS to send you someone else's private tax returns that can't be released without that person's consent? If you are in possession then its you that needs to worry about the law. What kind of bird can't fly? KJ the Jailbird.

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I thought the same thing. How does one get someone’s Tax returns?
The only thing left to see is who ends up with egg on their face.

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Rachel Madcow did a whole show a few years back proclaiming she had Trump's return. Strangely enough after she dropped her two page "bomb" to the few thousand that watch her show, all it showed was that he paid more in taxes than Obama and Hillary.

Afterwards with egg on her face for the epic fail she blamed her viewers responding:


“Because I have information about the president doesn’t mean that it’s necessarily a scandal,” Maddow told the Associated Press. “It doesn’t mean that it’s damning information. If other people leapt to that conclusion without me indicating that it was, that hype is external to what we did.”

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Kj is just a very distruptive human being. It’s surprising he’s only been bannned on 4 forums.

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This proved you are a liar and have an agenda bob21. Until you can name the 4 forums you just lied about, I am done with you again. Should have never taken you off block.

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Why would Rob or anyone go on the wizard podcast to prove their case? Rob, went on the show and told his story no one told him he had to prove it or even why. Why should anyone care if someone believes in their story or not? Rob, is content with himself, do you actually believe that he cares whether or not people believe it? No one has proven that he did not actually do the double up bug. Why are you dragging mickeycrimm into a conspiracy theory?

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I am not dragging mickey into a conspiracy theory. He jumped in when he said Shackleford has evidence that he is withholding to make Rob look bad.

As far as Rob being "content". Then why did he even come up with this story in the first place. Remember this line from Rob during the interview "After 10 years I just had to tell someone" . That doesn't sound like someone "content" that doesn't care what people think does it. remembers Wizards one word response "why".

Rob's SS # comes up on one of the reports. I didn't go searching for it. I have had since it first looked at the public reports.

As far as the tax info, someone sent it to me recently. Again, I didn't ask for it. I already know the truth and I would never post such information as that opens me up to problems. This is actually the second time this occurred, the first was through this forum someone, offered to provide me an extensive report on Singer. The kind with information not generally available to the public. I declined and reported that incident to Dan Druff.

I don't need this kind of stuff as I already know the truth and so do all you guys now attacking me. You are attacking me and want to make me the bad guy. Least you forget so soon, who the real culprit is here. The guy that fed you all a lie for a year now and when finally came time to show some kind of supporting evidence, he took pictures of himself in a RV from a dealership trying to pass it off as his own. AND got caught!

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Kj is just a very distruptive human being. It’s surprising he’s only been bannned on 4 forums.

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This proved you are a liar and have an agenda bob21. Until you can name the 4 forums you just lied about, I am done with you again. Should have never taken you off block.

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Kj, how about you proving to me I made all those political comments on other sites you claim I made. What I’ve noticed about you Kj is you make things up about people and spread lies.

If you don’t like my views here, fine. But don’t lie about what I’ve said on other sites. On Blackjack info your main compliant with me is I had a different handle. It seems like it doesn’t take much to get you worked up.

Is there anybody you like? Or do you like to go at it with everybody. What’s your problem?