kewlJ

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

And the owner of Gambling forums.....LMFAO!! Don't you know most members here, especially the AP and real gamblers among the site, participated at Gambling Forums a while back. And they know all about the guy who owns/runs that forum.

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I don't read or post on that forum, but I must say, I am curious. Would you mind giving a quick Cliff Notes version of the site owner?

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I don't know how much of this I want to get into. I am going to try to keep it simple. (probably will fail)

The guy that runs the forum is not a member of the gambling community as Dan Druff, Shackleford, even Norm over at the blackjack forum is. Fe is a guy that runs forums, many different forums, on many different topics for profit. So that is something you should know going in because such a person has a different agenda, like forum traffic at all costs.

Now here is what I will say. Investigate how the forum started. There are a bunch of "founding members" that are people you would be familiar with from all different areas of gambling. Problem is almost all of them never really signed up nor posted there.

The forum began with interesting discussions from players that you know and have heard of. The problem was those discussions did not take place at Gambling forums. He lifted entire threads and discussions from other forums to make it look like they had taken place at GF and people would continue adding to these discussions. This came to my attention when Norm Wattenberger from Blackjackthe forum showed up bitching about threads and discussions lifted from his forum. As I began to read some, I saw posts that I had made at Norms forum, that were now at GF as if I had made them there. After Norm threatened legal action, the guy final put in some kind of disclaimer, but initially he just tried to pass these discussions off as having taken place at GF to draw traffic. I don't know if it is illegal or whatever as Norm threated, but it is pretty dishonest to everyone involved to start your forum in that manner.

At the end of the time many of us were participating there, mickeycrimm, Axelwolf, JBJB (JBS), RS (not singer) and a number of others, the story broke that he had taken information he had from being administrator and stalked some female member of one of his forums offline that involved police action or complaint. I forget the exact details, maybe someone else remembers. But it was enough that with these other issues, you or at least I felt you can't even trust the guy running the forum you were on. I mean I have issues with Shack and Norm and even Druff as far as what they allow and how they run their forum, but I never felt like I couldn't trust them with information they may have about me because they are forum owner/administrator.

Now I have returned to that forum. And even tried to post some quality stuff in the blackjack section among all the trolling. I just think any AP or player that values his anonymity and identity, should be aware of some of these things and boiling it down to a single thing, know that this guy is not one of us, not a member of the gambling community. He is a guy that runs forums for profit.

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Originally Posted by MisterV

KJ, in order to remain reasonably grounded and not flip out I suggest you do what I and I darsay most others here do, namely don't take the shit personally.

Yeah, easy to say, hard to do, but let me explain.

I flame Robert and the dawg unmercifully, and they return the favor, but if I have nothing against them as individuals; I'd shake their hand if we met and engage them in conversation.

Why and how could I do that, given all the shit they say about me being a drug addict, on fentanyl etc.?

Easy: they and I both realize that IT DON'T MEAN NOTHIN': just words on a screen, just guys fucking around with each other.

Sort of like when we were in junior high PE and we'd snap towels at one another in the locker room.

If you take this shit personally and seriously you're embarking on the road to crazy town.

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Here is the problem MrV. No offense but you are a recreational gambler on a forum, for fun, entertainment and maybe learn a thing or two. I am a professional player and I have now had two people from these forums, from THIS forum, take forum shit off forum, into the real world,(although one wasn't participating here when he did it). One showing up at my home after he threatened to find me (for which he was banned from this forum), and the other posted that he had hired a P.I. to find me and information about me and then weeks later he posted some information and it showed up in the databases. This second issue costs me money, real money damaging my career.

So I ask you, if someone from an internet forum had taken shit with you, offline and did things that damaged your legal career or reputation when you were practicing, would you still think it was NOTHING, and rush to shake their hand?

I guess I should mention that Singer was NOT one of these two incidents. For all the crap with Singer he has never taken anything off forum like this. He keeps his very nasty forum trolling and attacks online. So I guess if you want to shake Singer's hand and have a beer celebrating 2 decades of forum antics...go for it. But I have no interest.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Here is the problem MrV. No offense but you are a recreational gambler on a forum, for fun, entertainment and maybe learn a thing or two. I am a professional player and I have now had two people from these forums, from THIS forum, take forum shit off forum, into the real world,(although one wasn't participating here when he did it). One showing up at my home after he threatened to find me (for which he was banned from this forum), and the other posted that he had hired a P.I. to find me and information about me and then weeks later he posted some information and it showed up in the databases. This second issue costs me money, real money damaging my career.

So I ask you, if someone from an internet forum had taken shit with you, offline and did things that damaged your legal career or reputation when you were practicing, would you still think it was NOTHING, and rush to shake their hand?

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KJ, I understand your point: yes, your situation is different than mine, perhaps I should have realized that before posting.

Yes, if someone took it into the REAL WORLD as you claim they did to you then that would be a deal breaker.

But other than that...just chill, it don't mean nothin'.

Singer and others here will break your balls, you'll flame them, and at the end of the day the score will remain 0-0.

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Originally Posted by MisterV

If you take this shit personally and seriously you're embarking on the road to crazy town.

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---> Torture and castration of Ukrainian POW by Russian soldiers.

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Well, the main thing to remember, whatever gets posted on a message board has a self-life of less than a few hours. There's no one going back in a forum's time to look for anything. I suppose that some owners do, but, again, it can't be normal.

I am delusional hun MaxPen? Below is a quote from Mdawg posted at Gambling forums on 9/22/21, where he threatens that he is powerful and can hire "others".

So sometime in the couple of weeks followed, he posted the doxing info on that forum that he owns, (under an alias name) where he posted my identity, and detail of my condo, and other information that he found out by hiring someone. As I said before there was a piece of information that he posted that was wrong and that incorrect info made its way to the database entry. This is a "marker" as to where that information came from. Do you really think casino or database employees read his post at that forum he owns for writers writing stories? Of course not. He sent that information to someone, probably a casino. Information that he has because he hired someone to find it.

These 2 guys the Late Moses and Mdawg both threatened almost the same thing and then both followed through a short time later. I don't know what more prove there needs to be.

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Originally Posted by MDawg, post: 121866, member: 7028

But if you cross the line to doxxing again, believe and know what will happen to you. What little petty losing play you do at the casinos will be over for good. You see, real people with assets and power are able to hire others to handle matters for them. But only if needed.

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What this guy did, the threatening followed by following through on his threat, probably crosses some line into illegality. Although there are some shady lawyers around, I have doubts that this guy is a real lawyer now (in good standing). If he is I am fairly certain the California Bar association would have something to say about such action. What is your opinion MrV (or any other real attorney)?

And this is not a threat that I am going to file a complaint. I considered that in the past, but I just don't feel comfortable harming someone's career over internet shit like he did.

It is just this is the extent this bullshitter will go to. And he is heading down the same road in now trying everything he can to discredit axelwolf.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

The bum doxxed MDawg before anyone even allegedly doxxed him. He admitted to it but tried to claim that “doxxing someone I decide is not an AP is A-Okay!”

He claims that he saw a post at truepassage.com that disclosed his first name and the condo complex where he lives. I never saw the post - it was deleted off that site by that site's admin before I even had a chance to see it. BUT, after he saw this alleged post, he made this long post here at VCT
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...ama#post137348
where he disclosed everything that was supposedly in this doxxing post, about where he lives, the Panorama Towers / The Martin Towers on Dean Martin Dr. in LV.

In other words, he doxxed himself with everything about which he had just complained! :eek:

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Originally Posted by MDawg

Here's the doxxer even admitting that he doxxed first, piling on the same nonsense about how it is okay for him to doxx (but not for him to be doxxed):

https://i.imgur.com/0sdtrZEh.jpg

The creepo states that he "doesn't consider what he did" to MDawg first as doxxing, simply because...why? lol It's okay to doxx someone who he decides is not a "professional player"? The guy is cracked.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

Hey, KJocchio, YOU doxxed MDawg. What did you think he was going to do? What comes around goes around. Quit sniveling about it.

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Originally Posted by Mission146

I can't imagine you doxxing MDawg helped; might have made Max wonder if you'd do the same to him should he ever get on your bad side

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The evidence that he doxxed MDawg is solid and in both VCT and GF. Both admins at both sites admonished him and redacted his posts. This other nonsense he is talking about comes after the verifiable doxxing of MDawg by UNKewlJ, and his UNKewl nonsense, as always, exists only in his feeble mind.

Show me the post, UNKewlJ. I can show you every post where you tried to doxx me, and all of those posts predate even this imaginary invisible post you can't produce anyway.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

Hi I’m UNKewlJ. Even though I constantly backpedal and lie about quitting these forums, have lied and backpedaled about details about my own life, have never presented a shred of evidence to back up what I say about myself or others and even faked my own death - I expect you to take me seriously and listen to what I have to say.

accountinquestion on the UNKewl one: What is the point of your posts? No one here thinks you are the "what can and can't be" police/guardian so why do you need to state that?

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Originally Posted by MisterV

KJ, I understand your point: yes, your situation is different than mine, perhaps I should have realized that before posting.

Yes, if someone took it into the REAL WORLD as you claim they did to you then that would be a deal breaker.

But other than that...just chill, it don't mean nothin'.

Singer and others here will break your balls, you'll flame them, and at the end of the day the score will remain 0-0.

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I (along with my wife) tried to meet up with you but it unfortunately wasn't able to happen. And I agree--those of us who meet or have phone conversations with one another will always do so respectfully. There has been no greater gaming forums "mortal enemies" over time than myself vs. mickey. That ended as soon as we began talking. The same with me and a few others here when it looked like the odds were solidly against it.

What about the guy who constantly repeats the same lies about me because that's the way he wants me to be? Would I shake his hand? Of course I would....if he could get either of both his hands off of my crotch.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

The evidence that he doxxed MDawg is solid and in both VCT and GF. Both admins at both sites admonished him and redacted his posts.

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I doxxed you hun? The evidence is solid. Interesting being that you have said more than a hundred times that this information was incorrect. :cool:

And yes, Shacky and Druff, along with some other didn't share my thinking that your claims so egregiously bullshit, and repeated so many times (daily for months, even years) rises to the level that the people you are misleading deserve to have the information about who you are so they could see for themselves. Making that information private in no way harmed you or your ability to continue to play and lose and be comped. It just allowed people to see for themselves that your bullshit was in fact bullshit.

So now we are back to the original question that so many have asked over the years....why would a person of your means, born into what you were born into, have the need to make up such stories to attempt impress people on the internet? That is the question everyone asks. And if you do have this ridiculous need to impress people with your stories, why couldn't you have limited it to your own little forum for story writers?

Anyway thatnks for confirming what everyone already knew.

Rob, in hindsight I regret not meeting you in Pacific City...and I equally regret that you chose not to meet me at Chinook Winds.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

What about the guy who constantly repeats the same lies about me because that's the way he wants me to be? Would I shake his hand? Of course I would....if he could get either of both his hands off of my crotch.

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This is NOT the thought process of a straight man!

It has been apparent that Rob, has had homosexual fantasies involving me since Axelwolf let it be knows in a joke that I was gay shortly after I arrived here. Yes, some straight guys make gay jokes and bust on one another with gay jokes and slurs (how masculine!). This is not what this is with Rob.

Rob has fantasized from the second he read I was gay. He envisions some slight built, effeminate type gay guy. (which I am not even). THAT is apparently his type and what he is drawn to and fantasizes about. That is probably what the whole 9.5 dick debacle was about. Rob not having a clue thought that might make me interested in his.

Give it up you Larry Fine looking old fool. NOT going to happen.

MDAWG, Did you really pay off Shackleford?
If so, How much?

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

BTW, bet on the D-backs to win game 5. Kimbrel loses 3 in a row.

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Great call Rob!! Sends me off to play some blackjack with a chuckle.

Also, after Shackleford met up with MDAWG with DarkOzs $2k, I remember Shaq wanting to possibly give info as to what he was doing, but was bound by an agreement. I thought I read somewhere Shaq did give his opinion then deleted it because MDAWG said he was breaking their NDA, and Shaq went in timeout? lol Then they went rock climbing together.

I just remember Shaq saying that no system can overcome the house edge (As we all know, or most of us anyway), and after seeing MDAWG play he still believes that.

Was their a consensus as to what MDAWG was doing?

I know he works the comp game and gets them to record a higher average bet (Which I obviously have nothing against if you can pull it off). As far as his claimed "advantage", I have always thought he was getting a loss rebate from the casino and rat holeing chips off the table to make his loss appear greater than it actually was. His "being up" overall was reported daily in trip reports and prior to any potential loss rebate payment, UNLESS he was adding these payments into the totals and not saying this.



I guess 2 questions:

What was Shackleford going to share as to MDAWG's method?

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I know most think he is a straight up -EV gambler. For the ones that were optimistic, What was the consensus as to his method whether or not if they actually believed it got him from -EV, over the hump into +EV territory? I think I remember, I believe it was Seedvalue saying something like, "You know what he is doing right?"

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

I know he works the comp game and gets them to record a higher average bet (Which I obviously have nothing against if you can pull it off). As far as his claimed "advantage", I have always thought he was getting a loss rebate from the casino and rat holeing chips off the table to make his loss appear greater than it actually was.

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I only have a minute. It is not loss rebate. Mdawg never even mentioned loss rebate until after Axelwolf mentioned it. Loss rebates do not account for all those winning sessions. The advantage from loss rebates actually kicks in when you lose.

Also rat holing doesn't work at the level Mdawg plays. If becomes hard to rathole chips black and above. And even harder in the high limit room where there are addition sets of eyes on everything. And down right impossible at a private table (like Mdawg claims). All they have to do is count the rack and anything missing goes to him.

I have always said he plays the comp game well and almost assuredly gets more comps than he is entitled to. But again, rat-holing can't be part of that for his situation. I think he is just a good talker. He asks what kind of average bet they have him down for and when they answer, he will mention some big bets and talk them into higher. All that is required for this is to be fairly likeable and pleasant.

But no matter what he is doing to get better comps than he likely deserves, none of it would work for all that long if he was really a winning player. At some point and it wouldn't be long, they would start to cut that freebie shit from a winning player. He has to be losing and just not telling us for it to have gone on as long as he claims.

I have some comments about Shackleford and this situation based on private communications with him, but will have to save that for later.

I wonder what MDAWG would have done if he had ran bad during the session Shaq witnessed?


First, I believe he would have done the obvious and that is bust into a Martingale/Progressive betting strategy. Then if he hit the 5% chance of losing that session, even after extreme Progression
betting - I think he would have just straight up left the WOV forum.

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

Also, after Shackleford met up with MDAWG...they went rock climbing together.I

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Aha.

That dawg sure knows how to win a witness over to his side.

BFF?

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Originally Posted by MisterV

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Originally Posted by PositiveVariance

Also, after Shackleford met up with MDAWG...they went rock climbing together.I

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Aha.

That dawg sure knows how to win a witness over to his side.

BFF?

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BFF LOL
EVERYTHING has a price!

How does that school yard song go?
Shaq and MDAWG, sitting in a tree...