kewlJ can we have a Rob Singer update?

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It’s not like Druff gives a fuck about his forum rules, let Tasha sock it, lets GrimReaper/Yung/Garbageboy do it all Willy nilly; uses parentheses to put (2.5 hours from Vegas) Utah stuff in the Las Vegas subforum on his own forum!

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STFU you Redskin Pansie.

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Hey, Mcap! You want Willy and Nilly? Check out the latest installment of resident writer Tasha's thread, "Young Axl Rose and Cake Cream in 2022! :D". Also known as just shitting all over the place.

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...432#post152432

Here's the teaser.

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A1, to A2 ... "Who are those people, how did they get on our tv, and, why the hell are they making up such loonie stuff about us.

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Every Time Two Fools Collide - The Best of Kenny Rogers [MrV] and Dottie West [Tasha].

https://anagram-solver.net/A1,%20to%...s?partial=true


I managed to squeak in Monet, and his sidekick. Ha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NorBOX_jmUM

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Vegas too empty to get tricks and so you're broke and whiney? Whats going on dear man, please tell us.

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What is going on with me? How about what is going on with YOU? You are now repeating garbage from seedvalue and Singer, about tricks? Good lord, you used to be a normal dude, or at least seemed like it.

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Being 100% honest I've had that theory for some time way before Seedvalue showed up. I had no idea Singer said this. It all makes sense to me though. Your undying need to have legitimacy has to come from SOMEWHERE. LV is so full of prostitutes etc.

Good Lord, don't take shots at me randomly if you don't want it back at you. Not that hard. If you do, don't play victim.

Typically I've only made fun of you in relation to your obsession with Mdawg and Singer. That's pretty fair play. Many many people have brought this up with you yet you continue. Some mission of some sort.

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As far as me being a phony fuck, again, I am surprised that you buy in and are repeating that garbage. You are entitled to think whatever you like. I am just surprised when it is someone like you as opposed to the anti-AP or KJ haters.

I don't need to prove anything to you or anyone for that matter and I won't. But I have mentioned that one of the top AP's in this town, has worked with me this year, or given me some work with his team. While I won't mention him by name or the handle is is well known by on other forums (was actually asked not to), some of the real AP's know who I am talking about and have asked him, because he told me so. The fact that you don't seem to know or want to pretend not to says more about you that me.

You guys are just nuts. On another forum there are several guys (also one here in seedvalue) that make all kinds of ridiculous accusations, about me working at a burger joint, or prostituting old rich guys and make claims about where I live, calling it a high-rise slum, all that kind of nonsense, when one of these very guys, actually hired someone to find me and find about me and posted that info online and then claims I don't even play blackjack.

It is crazyness at it's most and like I said, I expect it from the long-time crazies. I am just surprised you have joined their club.

Dude, if YOU really believe this crap, I would say you have bigger issues that seedvalue, Singer, Mdawg and other haters. They don't really believe it, they just say it out of hate. One of that group (probably all), have absolutely proven the opposite of what they say.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

What is going on with me? How about what is going on with YOU? You are now repeating garbage from seedvalue and Singer, about tricks? Good lord, you used to be a normal dude, or at least seemed like it.

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Being 100% honest I've had that theory for some time way before Seedvalue showed up. I had no idea Singer said this. It all makes sense to me though. Your undying need to have legitimacy has to come from SOMEWHERE. LV is so full of prostitutes etc.

Good Lord, don't take shots at me randomly if you don't want it back at you. Not that hard. If you do, don't play victim.

Typically I've only made fun of you in relation to your obsession with Mdawg and Singer. That's pretty fair play. Many many people have brought this up with you yet you continue. Some mission of some sort.

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As far as me being a phony fuck, again, I am surprised that you buy in and are repeating that garbage. You are entitled to think whatever you like. I am just surprised when it is someone like you as opposed to the anti-AP or KJ haters.

I don't need to prove anything to you or anyone for that matter and I won't. But I have mentioned that one of the top AP's in this town, has worked with me this year, or given me some work with his team. While I won't mention him by name or the handle is is well known by on other forums (was actually asked not to), some of the real AP's know who I am talking about and have asked him, because he told me so. The fact that you don't seem to know or want to pretend not to says more about you that me.

You guys are just nuts. On another forum there are several guys (also one here in seedvalue) that make all kinds of ridiculous accusations, about me working at a burger joint, or prostituting old rich guys and make claims about where I live, calling it a high-rise slum, all that kind of nonsense, when one of these very guys, actually hired someone to find me and find about me and posted that info online and then claims I don't even play blackjack.

It is crazyness at it's most and like I said, I expect it from the long-time crazies. I am just surprised you have joined their club.

Dude, if YOU really believe this crap, I would say you have bigger issues that seedvalue, Singer, Mdawg and other haters. They don't really believe it, they just say it out of hate. One of that group (probably all), have absolutely proven the opposite of what they say.

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I was never a KJ hater but I am willing to make a joke about your obsession with Mdawg/Singer. Those dudes don't even post here anymore! Yet here you are addressing them.

You've been playing LV 20 years or whatever and I don't recall you ever talking about back-offs etc. You just make a real plausible story but at some point it tends to be less believable than believable. Whatever. I'm not here to get into it with you. If you'd just take your lumps over me giving you a hard time about Singer/Mdawg. Your story makes even less sense now that there are so few 3/2 tables.

Good luck but at the end of the day I only started a thread asking what you so readily give us when we don't ask.

I have said this before but it is true. Some of you guys decide you don't like someone, often for something that has nothing to do with gambling or advantage play, something about their politics, or opinion on this or that, or in my case their sexual orientation, maybe their religion, and you demonize them, including throwing everything you can to attempt to discredit gambling/AP wise.

That is lame. I have never done that. I have challenged a few people because their claims are BS and defy math and the reality of how things work. When they retaliate, trolling and attacking me, as they always do, I troll back. But I never attack anyone's real AP or gambling credibility. Take mickeycrimm for example. Since mickey decided to bond with or whatever you want to call it with Singer, mickey has taken to attacking me. I may troll mickey back some, but have I ever, EVER, attempted to discredit him gambling or AP wise. Absolutely not! Nor any other legit AP or even recreational gambler.

I expect that from the complete trolls. The guys everyone knows are trolls....your Singers, Mdawg''s, coach belly's and more recently seedvalue, but I am still surprised when it what I though was a normal person.

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I have said this before but it is true. Some of you guys decide you don't like someone, often for something that has nothing to do with gambling or advantage play, something about their politics, or opinion on this or that, or in my case their sexual orientation, maybe their religion, and you demonize them, including throwing everything you can to attempt to discredit gambling/AP wise.

That is lame. I have never done that. I have challenged a few people because their claims are BS and defy math and the reality of how things work. When they retaliate, trolling and attacking me, as they always do, I troll back. But I never attack anyone's real AP or gambling credibility. Take mickeycrimm for example. Since mickey decided to bond with or whatever you want to call it with Singer, mickey has taken to attacking me. I may troll mickey back some, but have I ever, EVER, attempted to discredit him gambling or AP wise. Absolutely not! Nor any other legit AP or even recreational gambler.

I expect that from the complete trolls. The guys everyone knows are trolls....your Singers, Mdawg''s, coach belly's and more recently seedvalue, but I am still surprised when it what I though was a normal person.

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You are in your own world. Another guy who just ignores what he is told. I'm not sure what you're yapping about but I've never made any sort of slur regarding your sexuality. You just make shit up.

I believe you are an expert in blackjack and probably play a good deal but I don't think that is your primary income (if you are actually winning).

At the end of the day you're 100% an attention whore. Whether a literal one or not I have no idea but the theory fits.

Literally I started a thread suggesting (telling? lol ok.....) you give us an update which is what you do ALL THE TIME without anyone asking. Then you blew it up into some big thing complete with a lot of complete falsehoods. You play victim card faster than anyone on this forum. I mean sure I started it but you could have just given us an update. <chuckle> anyway, I'm kinda over these stupid arguments. Pointlessness wrapped within pointlessness. A true waste of time is arguing with someone like you.

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

I was never a KJ hater but I am willing to make a joke about your obsession with Mdawg/Singer. Those dudes don't even post here anymore! Yet here you are addressing them.

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They read! ;) Look these guys troll me, I troll them back. Why does everyone think it is comical when they troll me, but when I return, I am obsessed and too serious and all that? :confused: This is what I do for entertainment dude, just like everyone else here. :p

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

You've been playing LV 20 years or whatever and I don't recall you ever talking about back-offs etc. You just make a real plausible story but at some point it tends to be less believable than believable. Whatever. I'm not here to get into it with you. If you'd just take your lumps over me giving you a hard time about Singer/Mdawg. Your story makes even less sense now that there are so few 3/2 tables.

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If you never heard me talk about backoff, you either haven't followed me for long or might want to get your memory checked. For years, I shared my experiences, winning, losing, heat, backoffs, interactions with pit people, almost in real time. I usually tried to put a slight delay in things that could be identifying like backoffs, or large wins or losses, but almost in real time.

I did all that! I stopped doing so on this forum and GF, because that is not what these forums are. They are troll type arguing back and forth forums. So that is what I do.

I know you say you don't read GF, but if you go there and click on blackjack, you will see a half dozen threads I started sharing my blackjack experiences. Some of the titles are: The rollercoaster that is blackjack card counting (variance), Education of a young card counter and two man EMFH team play (both referencing my brothers and I playing together) and most recently, Chaotic opposition betting, a thread about some of the very betting patterns I have used that have helped me achieve longevity.

If you look back at threads on this forum, you will see similar threads started by me. I even entertained blackhole on two different occasions, answer every question he could throw at me. But the fact is THAT is not what these two forums are about, so I have stopped.

I don't think there is anybody in gambling, certainly not blackjack that has shared their experiences, even as I was going through them including details of losing periods, weeks, month, and significant below expectation years, as I have shared. I just don't know how you can even say what you said, if you are serious.

I am pretty certain that Kewlj is one of those people whose default state is to be upset, not at peace. Like it’s very unsettling to some people to not be constantly upset for whatever reason, have to search for something to be upset about or be victimized over.

People constantly give you shit almost entirely BECAUSE you’re more or less incapable of not reacting to it, I don’t believe it’s nearly as much for the reason you believe.

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I was never a KJ hater but I am willing to make a joke about your obsession with Mdawg/Singer. Those dudes don't even post here anymore! Yet here you are addressing them.

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They read! ;) Look these guys troll me, I troll them back. Why does everyone think it is comical when they troll me, but when I return, I am obsessed and too serious and all that? :confused: This is what I do for entertainment dude, just like everyone else here. :p

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

You've been playing LV 20 years or whatever and I don't recall you ever talking about back-offs etc. You just make a real plausible story but at some point it tends to be less believable than believable. Whatever. I'm not here to get into it with you. If you'd just take your lumps over me giving you a hard time about Singer/Mdawg. Your story makes even less sense now that there are so few 3/2 tables.

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If you never heard me talk about backoff, you either haven't followed me for long or might want to get your memory checked. For years, I shared my experiences, winning, losing, heat, backoffs, interactions with pit people, almost in real time. I usually tried to put a slight delay in things that could be identifying like backoffs, or large wins or losses, but almost in real time.

I did all that! I stopped doing so on this forum and GF, because that is not what these forums are. They are troll type arguing back and forth forums. So that is what I do.

I know you say you don't read GF, but if you go there and click on blackjack, you will see a half dozen threads I started sharing my blackjack experiences. Some of the titles are: The rollercoaster that is blackjack card counting (variance), Education of a young card counter and two man EMFH team play (both referencing my brothers and I playing together) and most recently, Chaotic opposition betting, a thread about some of the very betting patterns I have used that have helped me achieve longevity.

If you look back at threads on this forum, you will see similar threads started by me. I even entertained blackhole on two different occasions, answer every question he could throw at me. But the fact is THAT is not what these two forums are about, so I have stopped.

I don't think there is anybody in gambling, certainly not blackjack that has shared their experiences, even as I was going through them including details of losing periods, weeks, month, and significant below expectation years, as I have shared. I just don't know how you can even say what you said, if you are serious.

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You so conveniently skip over being called out on your BS to defend other BS. I said I believe you're an expert at BJ. Oh you made forum posts ! All this shit no one can verify. You keep the numbers low so it makes sense but just hard to believe you're playing at the same casinos in 1 town for 15 or 20 years or whatever. Why care so much validating yourself? Just doesn't add up. I don't even claim to be a real gambler. I just find the stuff interesting and dabble in it although that is very well changing. God willing.

At the end of the day you're just some dude trying to be someone on the internent whether true or not. I shouldn't pick on you but I really don't even think thats what I did this recent round. I do however feel like a bully though continuing with you. If you don't want that shit then don't take random shots at me and not expect me to do this little forum battle nonsense. Or don't just make up shit then ignore the fact you were called out on it. Just proceed to make up more shit then expect everyone to believe your main bullshit.

Now about backoff:

When I moved to Las Vegas I wanted to play at a level and style where I could achieve some longevity. I wasn't interested in what guys like KC were doing racking up 5-600k in 6-18 months (depending on how wide a travel range) until you were barred everywhere. I wanted to make a living playing blackjack, mostly playing Las Vegas, with minimal travel.

I devised a plan for that based on my mistakes playing Atlantic City. I knew there was a level of play (max bets and spread) that would be tolerated as long as you spread your play around and didn't create too many situations that pit folks had to answer for. I just had to figure out what that was. And it is different for different casinos and different times of play. What is tolerated at a casino at 3pm on a Tuesday is far different than what is tolerated on Saturday night at 10pm.

You learn this true trial and error. And that is where backoffs come in. Backoffs are the measuring stick to your progress. My first couple years in Vegas I was backed of 10, 11, 12 times a year. Basically, once a month from somewhere. After my first few years backoffs started to go down, 8, 6, settling from 3-5 for many years. There was one year in the middle of that pack that one backoff out of town at Valley Forge, resulted in 3 more back home here in Vegas almost immediately. This too part of that learning process.

Of course last year ended a pretty good string of few backoffs, when I first was backed off in Reno, which like Valley Forge resulted in a couple as soon as I returned to Vegas. And then I was doxxed and that info appeared in the databases. I learned this from a friend in the business (it is good to have friends in the business :). I am 100% positive, that info in the database, shortly following a disastrous backoff in Reno, would have resulted in a very difficult year, possible the end of my career, had I played regularly. So I adjusted. Laid low for half the year, doing some other things and when returned to play changed my style a bit, playing crowded times.

I played about half as much as normal this year, at slightly higher stakes. You know how many backoffs I had? ZERO! Because I worked hard at it, just as I always have with longevity as my top priority. This year may have just been my greatest accomplishment, because I found a way to keep playing, (hopefully well into the future) overcoming what looked like to be a possibly career ending situation.

So don't tell me I haven't shared backoffs and heat and everything I have gone through. I HAVE! There just is little appetite on this forum so I have all but stopped and joined in the games that are played here. Good fun.

So you can be backed-off multiple times from a casino and come back without be trespassed?

Regardless of all my meanness towards you, I do read your blackjack posts and find them interesting at least.

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You so conveniently skip over being called out on your BS to defend other BS. I said I believe you're an expert at BJ. Oh you made forum posts ! All this shit no one can verify. You keep the numbers low so it makes sense but just hard to believe you're playing at the same casinos in 1 town for 15 or 20 years or whatever. Why care so much validating yourself? Just doesn't add up. I don't even claim to be a real gambler. I just find the stuff interesting and dabble in it although that is very well changing. God willing.

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You are free to believe whatever you like. Honestly, I am fine with that. It isn't going to change what I do or what I make one single bit. Actually probably better for me the more people that don't believe. I also am not trying to prove I am the best or GOAT (that belongs to Zenking). I am just making a living, lower end of what most AP make.

I do have to say something about this "expert" comment. I am not a blackjack expert. There is a lot of math to blackjack and the real blackjack experts like to get into all the math and formulas and all that, which most is over my head. Some of these "experts" I suspect haven't won shit playing blackjack or at best recreational type money.

That is not what winning money is about. The winning money part of blackjack is simple as simple can be. More aces and high cards remaining = good....bet more. More low cards remaining = bad....bet less or better yet zero (exit game). That is all there is to the mathematics of winning blackjack play. Everything else is just fluff.

Now the trick to winning real money for a long period of time (longevity) isn't about math at all. It is about figuring out how to bet those bigger bets and be welcome back to play another day. To that I have tried to learn all I can, through trial and error and other players trial and error (experiences). I don't know that I would use the word expert, but I know what works and doesn't work for my situation, circumstances, location and style of play. Maybe I am an expert in my very narrow field of play in regards to longevity. I don't know. That label isn't important to me. Being able to keep playing is what is important to me right now.

But anyway, If you think that I have learned what I have learned, through other players as well as my own experiences, and been at this for going on 20 years so I can make posts on forums to impress who?....well I don't know what to say. Obviously, there is someone who has done that in Singer. Mdawg might be following in his steps....time will tell. If you think that is what I am about and have spend half my life so I can make some posts on a forum, all I can say is you aren't a very good judge of what is going on. But I really am fine with you thinking that.

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

So you can be backed-off multiple times from a casino and come back without be trespassed?

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ABSOLUTELY!!!

I was once backed off 3 consecutive days at El Cortez by the same older Italian (now retired) pit guy. Admittedly, I was sort of playing with him, trying to agitate him by the end, which really isn't a great idea.

At the end of the day AinQ, you have to use your brain a bit to figure out people. I think you are smarter than some of the things you are saying or repeating. :rolleyes:

So let me ask you this? This is a good starting point. Where has my claims or story or whatever you want to call it changed even one little bit over the years?

Singer's story and claims change more than the seasons. 10 years of playing his singer system from 2000-2010 to 3 years and 5 years of the double up bug during the same time. Pictures in an RV claiming it was his, to later saying "well that wasn't my RV, mine was identical just across town". There are so many I can't even begin to list them. Mdawg first he said he wasn't playing with an advantage now he says he is. Last year he said he won $1,070,000 from March through Oct, then in Oct 24, he said he was "about even for that trip".

I am touching the tip of the iceberg, but these guys stories always change (usually escalating). It is one of the big "tells". So, give me an example of anywhere my story has changed. Obviously, there are things I do that I choose not to share or not share in real time. Anyone that doesn't get THAT, again, I don't know what to tell ya.

But the floor is yours...tell me where I have been inconsistent and changed my story.

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So you can be backed-off multiple times from a casino and come back without be trespassed?

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ABSOLUTELY!!!

I was once backed off 3 consecutive days at El Cortez by the same older Italian (now retired) pit guy. Admittedly, I was sort of playing with him, trying to agitate him by the end, which really isn't a great idea.

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You were trying to agitate a guy by trying to play 3 days in a row and he didn't just 86 you?

I get it you can be backed off and not show up for a long time .. but was really under impression if you show back up they just 86 you sooner than later.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

At the end of the day AinQ, you have to use your brain a bit to figure out people. I think you are smarter than some of the things you are saying or repeating. :rolleyes:

So let me ask you this? This is a good starting point. Where has my claims or story or whatever you want to call it changed even one little bit over the years?

Singer's story and claims change more than the seasons. 10 years of playing his singer system from 2000-2010 to 3 years and 5 years of the double up bug during the same time. Pictures in an RV claiming it was his, to later saying "well that wasn't my RV, mine was identical just across town". There are so many I can't even begin to list them. Mdawg first he said he wasn't playing with an advantage now he says he is. Last year he said he won $1,070,000 from March through Oct, then in Oct 24, he said he was "about even for that trip".

I am touching the tip of the iceberg, but these guys stories always change (usually escalating). It is one of the big "tells". So, give me an example of anywhere my story has changed. Obviously, there are things I do that I choose not to share or not share in real time. Anyone that doesn't get THAT, again, I don't know what to tell ya.

But the floor is yours...tell me where I have been inconsistent and changed my story.

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Where did I say you were inconsistent? I just don't believe the sum of it all and this counting 3 tables at once. (Or was it only 2? lol don't recall.) You try way too hard to be credible. Still playing in LV after all these years even after fewer 3:2 tables.

Your faking your death etc. Just because you're consistent doesn't mean you're not lying. Whatever.. gl

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So you can be backed-off multiple times from a casino and come back without be trespassed?

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ABSOLUTELY!!!

I was once backed off 3 consecutive days at El Cortez by the same older Italian (now retired) pit guy. Admittedly, I was sort of playing with him, trying to agitate him by the end, which really isn't a great idea.

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You were trying to agitate a guy by trying to play 3 days in a row and he didn't just 86 you?

I get it you can be backed off and not show up for a long time .. but was really under impression if you show back up they just 86 you sooner than later.

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Ok, I'll tell you about trespassing. It is mostly a myth in regards to advantage play. Well at least here in Nevada...I can't speak to everywhere. Some casinos don't even understand or pretend not to, that they can't really trespass a player for winning. And of course, Police either don't really know or don't want to. Anyone that is trespassed that wants to fight it will win....eventually. You might have to spend a night in jail and then lose the first ruling to some local judge, but if you appeal you will get to the point that you win. The charges will be dropped. A lot of time, expense and effort to get there, which most players won't go through, but it is not illegal to play and win as long as you aren't doing anything illegal. (disclosure: the basis of these comments come from Attorney Bob Nersesian and are specific to Nevada).

Trespassing is just an intimidation tactic used by casinos. What they can do is not allow you to play. That is a backoff and really that is only good for that day. But if they told you that, every player would be back the next day or next week, so they threaten you with trespass, if you return. Now again, these comments are for Nevada. I don't know every situation for every jurisdiction. I don't even know for some places that I visit occasionally...and probably should. Knowledge is power. You should know the rules and legalities, because you sure aren't going to get an honest shake from the casinos.

Now that said, you should never push the envelope and do what I did at El Cortez. It is just stupid. When backed off a player should just exit and avoid that casino for a couple-three months, and maybe that particular pit guy and dealer for longer, even up to a year. You want to exit with as little drama as possible making yourself and that particular situation as "forgetful" as possible. If your priority is longevity that is the play, not arguing or anything else (hear that Zenking). You want nothing that makes you more memorable. Returning day after day to spite a pit guy is as stupid as can be. I knew I was dealing with ElCo, who doesn't contribute to the databases, but still just one of the stupider things I have done in my blackjack career.

You can be trespassed for any reason that doesn't violate the Civil Rights Act.

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At the end of the day AinQ, you have to use your brain a bit to figure out people. I think you are smarter than some of the things you are saying or repeating. :rolleyes:

So let me ask you this? This is a good starting point. Where has my claims or story or whatever you want to call it changed even one little bit over the years?

Singer's story and claims change more than the seasons. 10 years of playing his singer system from 2000-2010 to 3 years and 5 years of the double up bug during the same time. Pictures in an RV claiming it was his, to later saying "well that wasn't my RV, mine was identical just across town". There are so many I can't even begin to list them. Mdawg first he said he wasn't playing with an advantage now he says he is. Last year he said he won $1,070,000 from March through Oct, then in Oct 24, he said he was "about even for that trip".

I am touching the tip of the iceberg, but these guys stories always change (usually escalating). It is one of the big "tells". So, give me an example of anywhere my story has changed. Obviously, there are things I do that I choose not to share or not share in real time. Anyone that doesn't get THAT, again, I don't know what to tell ya.

But the floor is yours...tell me where I have been inconsistent and changed my story.

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Where did I say you were inconsistent? I just don't believe the sum of it all and this counting 3 tables at once. (Or was it only 2? lol don't recall.) You try way too hard to be credible. Still playing in LV after all these years even after fewer 3:2 tables.

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Do you play blackjack? and if so, in Las Vegas? and if so at what betting level?

One of the big myths about Las Vegas blackjack is that everything has gone to 6:5. That there is no 3:2 blackjack left.

This simply is not true. Low limit, $10-$15 games on the strip are 6:5. $25 and $50 games are 3:2 and games at most offstrip locations are 3:2. Sometimes a double deck game may be 6:5.

When I moved to Vegas, I stated what I made every year, whether good or bad (and the purpose of that was to show what kind of money a midlevel player focused on longevity could realistically make). In addition to that I would post a summary of conditions that changed and what I felt the outlook was for the next 5 years for my situation based on those changes. Most years there was very little change. Once in a while I would report that XXX casino went from 3:2 to 6:5 on $10 games, but it was minimal change and a couple years I even reported two casinos that went the other way from 6:5 to 3:2. I just have not seen this great change towards 6:5 at least at my level of play.

Of course when a casino did change to 6:5 or any other thing that made it unplayable, I drop it from my rotation, but I have always up until covid had a rotation of 30+ games, all 3:2. Post covid, it has probably been 2 dozen as some casinos never reopened that were in my rotation and there have been changes post covid (mostly less traditional BJ tables) as well as the way I play the last year.

I don't do those end of year reports any longer, but even before covid I began to be concerned that electronic and/or stadium style blackjack (electronic betting with one dealer severing as many as 50 betting stations) would be replacing lower limit games at many places and that has come to fruition. That really only effects me because some of the lower limit players bump up in stakes playing $25 tables rather than play the electronic/Stadium blackjack, which makes for more crowded conditions at the tables I play.

Anyway, I strayed a bit, but 6:5 taking over is mostly on the strip and mostly lower limit games. There are plenty of 3:2 games throughout Vegas at $25 and up and even some of the off strip places at $10/$15 dollars.

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Originally Posted by smurgerburger

You can be trespassed for any reason that doesn't violate the Civil Rights Act.

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yeah, yeah. Talk to Mr Nersesian. Players that are trespassed for card counting that fight it, almost all have charges dropped. Now whether you want to go through that hassle and expense, and it is a hassle, is another matter. And that is really all it is about hassling players.

Of the players that I know and talk to, a trespass is just a backoff. You treat it mostly the same. Stay away for a period of time, maybe a little longer with trespass.

But if you are approached after a trespass, they don't even call the police. They just remind you that they trespassed you and you leave. It is all part of the cat/mouse game. Trespass is just an intimidation tactic of that game.

I suspect you're wrong about a lot of this but I don't know any bj counters. You had a big misunderstanding of the law that directly impacts your source of income for the past ~15 years. Like I said .. it is all hard to believe. gl

Also hard to believe you've never been trespassed. Only "backed off". If you were trespassed it is an odd omission on your part.