Professional Sportsbetting

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by redietz

I could see, maybe 20 or 30 years from now, when sports betting is in every state, some virgin bettor setting up shop in two or three states, using the bonuses and promos for a year or two until dry, then pulling up stakes and setting up shop in two or three other states, then doing it in perpetuity -- that person might be able to claim to be a "winning professional sports bettor" without knowing what they're doing, but we're aways from that.

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Are we aways from that? How many states have sports betting now? And that isn't really even necessary now with the explosion of online sports books. Add in multiple accounts from friends and family members (sort of the online sportsbook version of the ever-popular multi-carding) and there are endless opportunities for someone who wants to do that. And they never have to leave home.

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No, for most you have to be in-state to bet. You could set up people in multiple states (kind of how we tried to recruit Egyptians and Brits so we could use Pinnacle -- LOL -- didn't work out) and go from there. But the promos and parlay boosts are gimmicks. They won't sustain. And your accounts will be cross-referenced and data-mined. You have no control over what account info is shared with whom.

You're not going to be able to hide what you're doing. Then you'll be shut down.

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"What are you going to do when the bonus whore money runs out and you can't win anymore?" said the grizzled old handicapper.

"Who gives a fuck. I'm just taking the bonus whore money while it lasts" said the AP.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

Another thing. This 2K betting shit. You are denigrating Spanky as a lowlife 2K bettor. Did you ever stop to think that he thought that was as big a bet as he could get there? If you followed those links I put up you will see that Spanky tried to deposit 100K in a book. They refused and banned him. And in the Ringer article David Hill wrote that Spanky handed him a bag with 100K in it to make bets in Atlantic City. Spanky handed him the money then walked away. In one interview Spanky said he had to make a lot of small bets on a game in each book instead of one big bet in a book because that was the only way he could get the action in.

You are also hung up on books limiting bets. We all know books limit bets on everyone no matter who they are. But what about not just getting limited? What about being banned. Spanky probably holds the record for bannings.

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Mickey, from these discussions, I see a lot of similarities between the way sportsbooks (casinos) handle sports bettors they perceive to be winning players and the way casinos handle card counters. Limiting betting amounts, right up to total bannings.

And to no surprise there are limits that a player or bettor can bet that are better tolerated that can enable a player to avoid those bannings and achieve some longevity. Sports bettors have the advantage that they can spread their action on the same game around to get that desired higher amount on a single game. Card counters don't have that....you can't be playing 5 tables at once. :rolleyes: Well maybe online, but I am just not familiar with that.

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Originally Posted by redietz

Limited by game tier means the games are put into categories based on probable action. So games that would get little action (say, off the top of my head, UTEP versus New Mexico) have lower limits than, say, Michigan versus Ohio State. That's what "game tier" means. So people are limited by their card tier status and the status of the tier into which that particular game is assigned.

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So you can bet game tier according to your card status at Caesar's? Caesar's caters to sucker slot, and sucker table games players only. "Suckers only" at CZR. So your card level tells them everything they need to know:

Gold = small frye sucker fish
Platinum = medium frye sucker fish
Diamond = big sucker fish
Diamond Plus = king guppy sucker fish
Diamond Elite = great big king salmon sucker fish
7 Stars = WHALE

At CZR your card level tells the bookie everything he needs to know about your sucker ass. If you are king guppy or whale at a CZR book they will let you "bet 'em high and sleep in the streets."

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by redietz

I could see, maybe 20 or 30 years from now, when sports betting is in every state, some virgin bettor setting up shop in two or three states, using the bonuses and promos for a year or two until dry, then pulling up stakes and setting up shop in two or three other states, then doing it in perpetuity -- that person might be able to claim to be a "winning professional sports bettor" without knowing what they're doing, but we're aways from that.

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Are we aways from that? How many states have sports betting now? And that isn't really even necessary now with the explosion of online sports books. Add in multiple accounts from friends and family members (sort of the online sportsbook version of the ever-popular multi-carding) and there are endless opportunities for someone who wants to do that. And they never have to leave home.

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No, for most you have to be in-state to bet. You could set up people in multiple states (kind of how we tried to recruit Egyptians and Brits so we could use Pinnacle -- LOL -- didn't work out) and go from there. But the promos and parlay boosts are gimmicks. They won't sustain. And your accounts will be cross-referenced and data-mined. You have no control over what account info is shared with whom.

You're not going to be able to hide what you're doing. Then you'll be shut down.

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There was a 3k free bet during super bowl in a new market. I took 25 of my friends and their significant others over to sign up. I also told them to invite another couple. I probably made more on that one play then most of your so called professional handicappers make with zero risk. All without the knowledge you seem to think matters in 2023 to beat sports.

All one really needs is a basic understanding of SIM cards and IMEI masking to not get your accounts locked. Piggy back the bonuses with some whale flipping live window bets and a little negotiating theres unlimited money to make. It’s been this way for a few years. Easy game. O and don’t forget the casino Bonuses on slots. Easier game

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by redietz

Limited by game tier means the games are put into categories based on probable action. So games that would get little action (say, off the top of my head, UTEP versus New Mexico) have lower limits than, say, Michigan versus Ohio State. That's what "game tier" means. So people are limited by their card tier status and the status of the tier into which that particular game is assigned.

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So you can bet game tier according to your card status at Caesar's? Caesar's caters to sucker slot, and sucker table games players only. "Suckers only" at CZR. So your card level tells them everything they need to know:

Gold = small frye sucker fish
Platinum = medium frye sucker fish
Diamond = big sucker fish
Diamond Plus = king guppy sucker fish
Diamond Elite = great big king salmon sucker fish
7 Stars = WHALE

At CZR your card level tells the bookie everything he needs to know about your sucker ass. If you are king guppy or whale at a CZR book they will let you "bet 'em high and sleep in the streets."

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I currently have access to 25 seven star cards with player profiles good enough to get down anything you need. These so called pro sports bettors are always looking for beards/runners to bet for them lol. It’s pretty ironic how many times the high horse sports betting types turn to guys like me to help them get down. No different then the “PRO” poker players who are so deep in make up it would make your eyes water. But they still keep telling the world how great they are.

Show your net worth. If you are a winner red over all these years then you should at minimum have 10 million plus.

Funny how once the regs stop doing whatever they're doing for the day and tend to this board they all pile on the doofus that is Redietz.

Redietz if you weren't so condescending you wouldn't have to deal with this and your bullshit would pretty much fly under the radar.

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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It would be a go with the caveat that I would like to do "in studio" in Las Vegas in person. That way I get to meet the principals involved. I prefer doing these things in person when possible.

I have to get to LV a couple of times in the next four months or so anyway because I'm likely going to do a tour guide thing for a documentary filmmaker who is strictly an East Coast mob expert, but who is unfamiliar with details of Las Vegas. So hopefully I can dovetail the two. If not, I'll do the tour-guide thing later. I'd be doing Mafia Tour 101 while my better half could give the graduate course.

I'm not going to badmouth the LVA crew. They have some legitimacy. Fezzik is, arguably, the best NFL contest player ever, but the whole contest thing underscores that, as in poker, there are contest guys and betting guys.

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red, I just thought of something. You may not be able to do "in studio." My last interview they were both in their own homes, Bob in Vegas and Richard in California. It was a teleconference. Bob looked like he had just got out of bed. He was in his pajamas.

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Thanks. I'll contact them. I'm not big on Zoom. I mean, look at Rob's Shackleford interview. Rob looked as if he was broadcasting out of a closet. Why do they teleconference if it's just an audio podcast? Mainly, I'd rather fly to LV than have to clean up my workspace to look like a CNN talking head. I guess I could hang some blow-up dolls from the ceiling in the background just for ambience. Plus I might be able to have the documentary guy film the interview if it's in LV. Not sure he's taking a professional camera or not. I guess I'll find out.

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The teleconference is just between you, Bob and Richard. Only the audio goes out to the public. The interview I did before the last one we couldn't see each other. Request no zoom if you dont want it.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

I think the funniest part of all this is how redietz has been spewing his ignorance in and out of every gaming forum imaginable for 20 years or so....and neither Dancer nor the Munchkin have ever heard of him! (psst red....maybe you should have sent them that "PR PKG." years ago....:) )

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Munchkin isn't on forums, at least public forums anymore. I first encountered Munchkin at BJinfo, a blackjack forum I was on from 2006-2011. When that closed in 2011, the members from that forum went to a new forum that Norm started, Blackjack The Forum (there...a plug for you Norm, old friend) to replace that void. Munchkin not only went to that new forum, but was named a moderator, the only moderator the forum has had that wasn't Norm.

But Munchkin didn't stay at BJTF very long. Maybe a year or two at most and then stopped posting. This was about the time that forums stopped being about sharing experiences and learning from other players and started being about pissing contests and putting down others and trolling that we now see dominate gambling forums. I don't think that appealed at all to Richard.

And of course, like so many other blackjack card counting AP's, Munchkin also moved away from card counting at that time, and into other forms of advantage play.

So it is not surprising that Munchkin is not familiar with redietz.

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Dancer's an LVA guy. Redietz throws their names around as much as he does the Gaming Today folks. I've already found that he neither knows nor talks to anybody there, and no employee has ever heard of him. LVA SHOULD be another story but for some reason it isn't. Red was a regular poster during my time on LVA Sports, and seeing that Anthony Curtis paid Dancer to write articles and I believe published one or two of his books, you would think Dancer was familiar with a contributing "world-class handicapper" or whatever he is.

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Originally Posted by redietz

I could see, maybe 20 or 30 years from now, when sports betting is in every state, some virgin bettor setting up shop in two or three states, using the bonuses and promos for a year or two until dry, then pulling up stakes and setting up shop in two or three other states, then doing it in perpetuity -- that person might be able to claim to be a "winning professional sports bettor" without knowing what they're doing, but we're aways from that.

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It's already possible in a few spots. Byron Park, Connecticut is a mile from Port Chester, New York, and Northvale, New Jersey is just 20 miles from there.

Stevensville, Delaware is just 5 miles from Whitehall Manor, Maryland.

Washington DC and Arlington, Virginia are just across the river from each other.

Michigan, Ohio and Indiana come together at Billingstown, Ohio. Easy loop to make.

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by redietz

I could see, maybe 20 or 30 years from now, when sports betting is in every state, some virgin bettor setting up shop in two or three states, using the bonuses and promos for a year or two until dry, then pulling up stakes and setting up shop in two or three other states, then doing it in perpetuity -- that person might be able to claim to be a "winning professional sports bettor" without knowing what they're doing, but we're aways from that.

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Are we aways from that? How many states have sports betting now? And that isn't really even necessary now with the explosion of online sports books. Add in multiple accounts from friends and family members (sort of the online sportsbook version of the ever-popular multi-carding) and there are endless opportunities for someone who wants to do that. And they never have to leave home.

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No, for most you have to be in-state to bet. You could set up people in multiple states (kind of how we tried to recruit Egyptians and Brits so we could use Pinnacle -- LOL -- didn't work out) and go from there. But the promos and parlay boosts are gimmicks. They won't sustain. And your accounts will be cross-referenced and data-mined. You have no control over what account info is shared with whom.

You're not going to be able to hide what you're doing. Then you'll be shut down.

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Won't sustain, my ass. You'll be shut down my ass(One trick ponies might get shut down if they tuck their tales and run and hide) They could end whatever college football advantage you claim to have too.

I have been hearing this (it's ending)BS since the day I started with AP. It's been said about everything, Video poker, slot machines, blackjack, and table games. Griffin, OSN, and Facial Reconigion were going to get us all. And yet it's only gotten BETTER for those hungry enough.



It was the late 90s/early 2000s when online sports bonus opportunities came about. While you were jacking around with Stardust comps, CC drawings, and touting, or whatever The early "sports guys" guys made millions during the online sports peek. I know for a fact one guy made about 750k within a few years. Sure he got burnt for many 10's of thousands. But who cares, that was just part of the rake. Sportsbooks got wise and started to tighten up, but the opportunities were still there, and with more and more places setting up shop. there may have been fewer juicy situations, but more opportunities. Black Friday came and that tossed a wrench into things, but where there's a will, there's a way.

Online bonuses promotions and gimmicks have been going on since the beginning and now 20+ years later they are still going strong. They have even come back with a vengeance. People can make a shit ton in a short period of time instead of waiting years and years honing their handicapping craft with small edges and bets before they are confident enough to bet real money. At least with Bonuses and gimmicks, middling off lines, etc you know exactly where you're at and you can confidently make large or small wagers and you know the money is coming your way.

So keep telling yourself and spreading this false narrative that being a specialized sports handicapper is the only true/real way to beat sports.


There was a brief time in the early 2000's when VP was getting slashed, progressives were going away, promotions were thin, accumulators were disappearing, match plays and coupons were disappearing, Slot club cashback was bad, free play hadn't taken hold and it was a bit rough. During that time, I noticed many guys disappeared. A little while later things came back with a vengeance

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Originally Posted by redietz

I could see, maybe 20 or 30 years from now, when sports betting is in every state, some virgin bettor setting up shop in two or three states, using the bonuses and promos for a year or two until dry, then pulling up stakes and setting up shop in two or three other states, then doing it in perpetuity -- that person might be able to claim to be a "winning professional sports bettor" without knowing what they're doing, but we're aways from that.

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It's happening NOW. People have been doing it for years. I'll be willing to make you a Large wager that I can make x amount in a year via sports betting without handicapping and limited-sized bets. IE I can't just make some big bet, win, and claim I won.

Come up with something and we can negotiate the terms.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by redietz

I could see, maybe 20 or 30 years from now, when sports betting is in every state, some virgin bettor setting up shop in two or three states, using the bonuses and promos for a year or two until dry, then pulling up stakes and setting up shop in two or three other states, then doing it in perpetuity -- that person might be able to claim to be a "winning professional sports bettor" without knowing what they're doing, but we're aways from that.

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It's already possible in a few spots. Byron Park, Connecticut is a mile from Port Chester, New York, and Northvale, New Jersey is just 20 miles from there.

Stevensville, Delaware is just 5 miles from Whitehall Manor, Maryland.

Washington DC and Arlington, Virginia are just across the river from each other.

Michigan, Ohio and Indiana come together at Billingstown, Ohio. Easy loop to make.

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That's why I said two to three states at a go. You can do the juncture states. But you can't sustain it for any real amounts unless you're playing the extended family game, and that's easy enough for people to identify. So eventually you get cross-referenced and identified. And when that happens, the gig is up.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Are we aways from that? How many states have sports betting now? And that isn't really even necessary now with the explosion of online sports books. Add in multiple accounts from friends and family members (sort of the online sportsbook version of the ever-popular multi-carding) and there are endless opportunities for someone who wants to do that. And they never have to leave home.

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No, for most you have to be in-state to bet. You could set up people in multiple states (kind of how we tried to recruit Egyptians and Brits so we could use Pinnacle -- LOL -- didn't work out) and go from there. But the promos and parlay boosts are gimmicks. They won't sustain. And your accounts will be cross-referenced and data-mined. You have no control over what account info is shared with whom.

You're not going to be able to hide what you're doing. Then you'll be shut down.

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Won't sustain, my ass. You'll be shut down my ass(One trick ponies might get shut down if they tuck their tales and run and hide) They could end whatever college football advantage you claim to have too.

I have been hearing this (it's ending)BS since the day I started with AP. It's been said about everything, Video poker, slot machines, blackjack, and table games. Griffin, OSN, and Facial Reconigion were going to get us all. And yet it's only gotten BETTER for those hungry enough.



It was the late 90s/early 2000s when online sports bonus opportunities came about. While you were jacking around with Stardust comps, CC drawings, and touting, or whatever The early "sports guys" guys made millions during the online sports peek. I know for a fact one guy made about 750k within a few years. Sure he got burnt for many 10's of thousands. But who cares, that was just part of the rake. Sportsbooks got wise and started to tighten up, but the opportunities were still there, and with more and more places setting up shop. there may have been fewer juicy situations, but more opportunities. Black Friday came and that tossed a wrench into things, but where there's a will, there's a way.

Online bonuses promotions and gimmicks have been going on since the beginning and now 20+ years later they are still going strong. They have even come back with a vengeance. People can make a shit ton in a short period of time instead of waiting years and years honing their handicapping craft with small edges and bets before they are confident enough to bet real money. At least with Bonuses and gimmicks, middling off lines, etc you know exactly where you're at and you can confidently make large or small wagers and you know the money is coming your way.

So keep telling yourself and spreading this false narrative that being a specialized sports handicapper is the only true/real way to beat sports.


There was a brief time in the early 2000's when VP was getting slashed, progressives were going away, promotions were thin, accumulators were disappearing, match plays and coupons were disappearing, Slot club cashback was bad, free play hadn't taken hold and it was a bit rough. During that time, I noticed many guys disappeared. A little while later things came back with a vengeance

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I get kick out of you, Axelwolf. What makes you think handicappers can't do what you do, in addition to being handicappers? You're one of the 1% of APs who makes money betting sports? Great, but don't sell it as some long-term money-maker because what you do can be shut down tomorrow.

Expanded sports betting is at its beginnings. Using promos and bonuses to hook people. And with all of the Covid-line moves having propped people up for 18 months. And identity tech hasn't been implemented because of Covid. Expanded use of identity tracking was in the pipeline until Covid. It'll be rolled out soon enough. The times (for APs), they are a'changin'. The asteroid is on its way.

Meanwhile, talk about hubris. Handicappers can't do what Axelwolf does because, what, his knowledge is so specialized? His organizational skill so vast that he's running AP Spectre?

The whole point is that a handicapper can do what you do, plus. How can you possibly make the point that APs can outperform handicappers who can do what the APs do? What, you think Billy Walters doesn't have access to every angle, every program, every bit of specialized knowledge, every opportunity you have? Plus he has unlimited expertise at his disposal and reduced vig everywhere. APs engaged in this have no advantage over handicappers doing the same thing. Why would you think that they do?

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Originally Posted by redietz

No, for most you have to be in-state to bet. You could set up people in multiple states (kind of how we tried to recruit Egyptians and Brits so we could use Pinnacle -- LOL -- didn't work out) and go from there. But the promos and parlay boosts are gimmicks. They won't sustain. And your accounts will be cross-referenced and data-mined. You have no control over what account info is shared with whom.

You're not going to be able to hide what you're doing. Then you'll be shut down.

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Won't sustain, my ass. You'll be shut down my ass(One trick ponies might get shut down if they tuck their tales and run and hide) They could end whatever college football advantage you claim to have too.

I have been hearing this (it's ending)BS since the day I started with AP. It's been said about everything, Video poker, slot machines, blackjack, and table games. Griffin, OSN, and Facial Reconigion were going to get us all. And yet it's only gotten BETTER for those hungry enough.



It was the late 90s/early 2000s when online sports bonus opportunities came about. While you were jacking around with Stardust comps, CC drawings, and touting, or whatever The early "sports guys" guys made millions during the online sports peek. I know for a fact one guy made about 750k within a few years. Sure he got burnt for many 10's of thousands. But who cares, that was just part of the rake. Sportsbooks got wise and started to tighten up, but the opportunities were still there, and with more and more places setting up shop. there may have been fewer juicy situations, but more opportunities. Black Friday came and that tossed a wrench into things, but where there's a will, there's a way.

Online bonuses promotions and gimmicks have been going on since the beginning and now 20+ years later they are still going strong. They have even come back with a vengeance. People can make a shit ton in a short period of time instead of waiting years and years honing their handicapping craft with small edges and bets before they are confident enough to bet real money. At least with Bonuses and gimmicks, middling off lines, etc you know exactly where you're at and you can confidently make large or small wagers and you know the money is coming your way.

So keep telling yourself and spreading this false narrative that being a specialized sports handicapper is the only true/real way to beat sports.


There was a brief time in the early 2000's when VP was getting slashed, progressives were going away, promotions were thin, accumulators were disappearing, match plays and coupons were disappearing, Slot club cashback was bad, free play hadn't taken hold and it was a bit rough. During that time, I noticed many guys disappeared. A little while later things came back with a vengeance

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I get kick out of you, Axelwolf. What makes you think handicappers can't do what you do, in addition to being handicappers? You're one of the 1% of APs who makes money betting sports? Great, but don't sell it as some long-term money-maker because what you do can be shut down tomorrow.

Expanded sports betting is at its beginnings. Using promos and bonuses to hook people. And with all of the Covid-line moves having propped people up for 18 months. And identity tech hasn't been implemented because of Covid. Expanded use of identity tracking was in the pipeline until Covid. It'll be rolled out soon enough. The times (for APs), they are a'changin'. The asteroid is on its way.

Meanwhile, talk about hubris. Handicappers can't do what Axelwolf does because, what, his knowledge is so specialized? His organizational skill so vast that he's running AP Spectre?

The whole point is that a handicapper can do what you do, plus. How can you possibly make the point that APs can outperform handicappers who can do what the APs do? What, you think Billy Walters doesn't have access to every angle, every program, every bit of specialized knowledge, every opportunity you have? Plus he has unlimited expertise at his disposal and reduced vig everywhere. APs engaged in this have no advantage over handicappers doing the same thing. Why would you think that they do?

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I'm just going on some of the stange statement you have said in the past.

Of course, handicappers can do it, and they should even be way better at it. There are no arguments there. Here's the thing, with very few rare exceptions, I don't know anyone that beats sports on just pure handicapping period. There are almost no situations where giving up a percentage to a handycrapping tout or service on mainstream sports would yield a profit long-term. Where's the decade of records you've talked about? Who are we talking about?

Can we stop talking about Billy Walters, he started with money, He went broke a number of times, He lost his wife, and ended up in jail only by the grace of God(Trump in this case) did he get out. He's an anomaly a rare duck very few can do what he's done. The next thing you know you're going to be talking about how Magnus Carlsen can make money in chess. Great, Very few people have that ability. And in sports handicapping very few people have the money, knowledge, motivation, dedication, guts, time, and experience to make a living, let alone make a killing.
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Obviously, there are exceptions where people find unique opportunities or they are doing something special but that's not really handicapping.



I'm no sports guru and my math sucks, especially compared to the guys I have seen guys who can scan the boards, and sheets portal and spot a possible mathematical overly opportunity within minutes. They quickly see something that isn't right. I guess in the same way I would instantly notice a casino promotion was super exploitable at first glance, or I might notice a progressive VP meter was +EV without running the numbers.

I don't make a killing betting on sports, I have done well overall. Oftentimes it's not my own stuff I came up with, but good information obtained from others or as a group effort. I did my own handicapping and contest-winning in the 90s and I did well but never had the balls and confidence to bet big. I don't need to be a genius to know a 1k free bet/deposit bonus etc with a 0-3x rollover is a lock.


Let's talk about what a reasonably intelligent person can actually do to make money via sports betting.

Can I ask what your yearly average college handicapping percentage is, and over how many bets? I'm not talking about contests, bonuses, kickbacks free bets, loyalty points, etc.

The greatest handicapper of all time. Never lost. Redietz, can you tell me where this scene was filmed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fPJUg5nbzg

"Hey, what's your favorite casino game?" someone asked the AP.
"My favorite casino game is the one I'm making the most money off of" answered the AP.

Redietz is stuck on "It's not sustainable."

Hell, nothing is sustainable. I don't think he understands that AP's have been moving on from plays for decades. I couldn't tell you how many promotions I worked. It's got to be dozens or hundreds. I think the longest one I worked was a month. None of those promotions were "sustainable." You just take the money while it lasts and move on.

I worked 3% and 4% video poker (no promotions involved) for about 7 years. The games went extinct.

Video blackjack. Breakeven game with same day cashback as high as 2%. The casinos took a bath on that game especially for dollars. Didn't last that long. Time to move on.

Advantage slot games wear out their shelf life. There's no telling how long a game will last. Some make it a year or two others make it 7 or 8 years. Depends on the popularity of the game. I just seen one casino put in 7 Wolf Run Eclipse. They were gone in 3 months.

I've got pictures of new exploitable games that are so new they are only in a couple of casinos. They'll come my way soon or later. I'll work them while they last.

I seen an opportunity in sportsbetting in Wendover that even a novice could work. No big money because sides and totals were capped at $500. My main gig in Wendover was video blackjack and live poker so I was there anyway and I took the sportsbetting money too. Didn't last long. If I see another opportunity in sportsbetting I may jump on it. How long it lasts ain't part of the equation. I just take the money when it shows. I'm used to moving on.

I've worked hundreds of different plays in 27 years. None of them were "sustainable." You just take the money and move on to the next play.

The thing about promotions and machines is the math is different in every situation. I have to think up the equations. There's about 80 exploitable slot games at present. They all have different configurations. You have to figure all the shit out for each game. So you have to be versatile. Figure the shit out. Make the money while it lasts. Then move on to the next gig.

Sustainable? Nothing is sustainable. We're all going to die someday.

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Serious question for Red or anyone, it's not a trick question. I would assume a pro sports bettor would have some knowledge regarding this. They have various online parlay challenge contests and whatnot(different from a regular football contest) is there or has anyone tried them? I'm wondering if there's any value there. I haven't really taken the time to look into it that much, but I did notice there weren't a bunch of people participating in a few, therefore the pots were not significant. That may be a good thing since it won't attract the sharps/pros or whatever you want to call them. Perhaps you can pick off some small overlay pots with minimal effort. I noticed one where I believe they seed it with house money to get it started.

Red, I got an email from Dancer saying they don't have a studio but they definitely can arrange a pre-show lunch.

They use Zencstr which is similar to Zoom and Skype.

Bob wouldn't have sent this information to me if you had already contacted him. Please contact them as soon as possible at gamblingwithanedge.com and rwmunchkin.com so I don't have to continue to relay messages.