Bob Dietz' Coming Appeararance On PokerFraudAlert Radio

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Originally Posted by mcap

Come on man. Redeitz was going to great lengths to deliver Alan packages of this stuff.

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But what does that "stuff" prove? Forget that the 'package' of documentation Red sent or tried to send Alan was 35 years old at the time, what does it prove? I am not doubting Red did will in the 1983 contest he frequently references, with results on the newsstands at supermarket checkouts.

But what does that prove? Does it prove or in any way indicate that Robert Dietz has made a living betting sports for 50 years now? Or does it prove he did well in whatever cherry-picked contest he is throwing our way?

To me all that proves, is that he did well in a few contests, and the fact that he hangs onto that information/documentation is for one reason only. To use as a tool or marketing aid to attract new "clients".


I feel uncomfortable asking anyone on an anonymous forum/message board to prove anything. No one is on trial. And if he were really a professional sports bettor, making a living betting sports, he has a right to that anonymity, so he can keep doing so.

BUT, Redietz threw that anonymity out the window years ago when he started posting not only his real name, but his address. Today he went even further and posted a phone number. So anonymity isn't an issue. That being the case, is there anything beside some 30-40 year old contest results that even hints that this guy has made a living in the sports betting arena. And again, I don't really consider marketing and soliciting of clients selling a service as "in the sports betting arena".

All we really seem to be getting is him telling us that everyone else is out of their league....out of his league and don't know what we are talking about.

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

Some might call you a One-trick phony.

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If someone makes a living gambling-wise doing one thing or mostly one thing, I don't have a problem with that. I did that for a long time, until I have tried to expand recently.

But the problem with Redietz's one trick pony, is I don't see where it falls under gambling. he is marketing/soliciting a service. That service just happens to involve sports betting. But it could just as easily involve selling condominiums.

the guy went to the Pennsylvania Farmers school, got a degree in Journalism, and apparently learned how to be a marketer or salesman. :cool:

I bet that Tipsters and Gypsters is all a bunch of Bullshit. The magazine was probably in cahoots with touts because it's all a big symbiotic relationship. I bet if you dig deep enough, you will find all kinds of skullduggery.

Again, you have an anonymous handle alleging he's a blackjack player with no actual credentials, no third-party verification, no documented history, no nothing, and he misrepresents the documented ATS record of a real person. I retired from the Wise Guys Contest two years ago, which last I checked was not, I repeat not, 30 years ago.

KewlJ seems intent on lying about when I was documented in public. Being documented for 30 years is a little different from being documented 30 years ago.

I think an ongoing ATS record stretching back 30 years, in public, on newsstands nationally, would hold some water, as compared to the forum rantings of some anonymous alleged blackjack player who faked not an ATS record but his own death.

Again, the amazing thing isn't that kewlJ lies, but that he expects people to believe him.

KewlJ, do you hire yourself out at Easter for Coming-Back-from-the-Dead parties? I hear you're a blast when you're not getting your arm broken.

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

I bet that Tipsters and Gypsters is all a bunch of Bullshit. The magazine was probably in cahoots with touts because it's all a big symbiotic relationship. I bet if you dig deep enough, you will find all kinds of skullduggery.

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You won't. But thanks for the tip. Or was it a gyp? Whatever your record was in McCusker's Tipsters or Gypsters? was an understatement, because rather than allowing flexible call-in days and times, McCusker took the stance that the general public did almost all of their betting from Friday evening on, so for college football you were locked into Fri/Sat morning lines from Leroy's. Whatever your McCusker record, your actual betting record -- if you shopped at all -- was undoubtedly better.

There was a faux pre-season magazine that had a brilliant plan to promote two services that didn't exist before the magazine ranked them. They had a clever strategy for avoiding any legal blowback, which I can review on air. I have to be careful because the magazine was eventually bought by a reputable company that kept the name and format but turned it into a legit magazine.

I love Axelwolf, who knows absolutely nothing, criticizing Mike McCusker. Have you read any "Tipsters or Gypsters" Axelwolf? Because if you haven't, shame on you. What you just wrote smeared a fine, honest reporter. The San Fran Chronicle ran a piece on McCusker.

McCusker even went so far as to publish multi-year records on the back pages, which no other monitor does. So you could see the very modest multi-year records in print each year.

It's a shame someone as allegedly knowledgeable as Axelwolf finds it so easy to slander a fine man without even a hint of proof. Just an "I bet that." Why would anyone do that? I ask again, Axelwolf, have you read multiple issues of "Tipsters or Gypsters?" I believe Gamblers Book Club published it. McCusker retained the rights.

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Originally Posted by redietz

Again, you have an anonymous handle alleging he's a blackjack player with no actual credentials, no third-party verification, no documented history, no nothing,

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Mr. Dietz, I am an active blackjack player, playing and making a living mostly in this one location. As an AP and specifically a card counter, table game player AP, I can not continue to earn a living unless I remain as anonymous as possible. It is funny, but you used to understand this. Then all of the sudden you started demanding AP's stop being anonymous.

Now I don't know how a professional sports bettor works. Based on you, shouting your name from the highest mountain, posting your address, and now phone number, I guess anonymity isn't important. hell, didn't you even post a picture of yourself, sitting at a table with a couple other gents and specifically identified which one was you. :confused:

If I did that, or any real AP working this town, it would be the end of our career. Maybe you can get away with it because sports betting now is mostly done overseas. few people are running around to sports books in Vegas making wagers and a living.

So, I can almost forgive you for not understanding what it means or entails to be an advantage player playing for a living or even any substantial stakes, in casinos in Las Vegas. I could forgive that you don't understand that.....EXCEPT that you used to understand that. You started pretending NOT to understand that when you started your attack on advantage players, simply because some are doing some things at an advantage involving sports betting.

You not knowing, or pretending not to know that real winning players, MUST be anonymous, if they want to continue playing, puts you in the same boat as your now buddy Mdawg, who ridiculously claims to play rated and win every day. The name on that boat is Titanic because what you are claiming or in your case pretending not to know, is fantasy shit. Real winning players must remain anonymous. If you didn't learn that spending 100 days a year in Vegas for 40 years, then you don't know shit about this town or what it means to play for a living.

No one expects you to prove that kewl…, his entire premise was it’s bullshit for you to ask/expect it from him when you won’t.

Doesn’t take 5 paragraphs of explaining you’re an AP to understand that simple concept.

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Originally Posted by mcap

Doesn’t take 5 paragraphs of explaining you’re an AP to understand that simple concept.

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Apparently it does!! :D

Red has been attacking not just me, but every real AP with this anonymous, Leonardo de AP shit for half a year now or longer.

And yet at the same time, he is posting his name, address, phone number and pictures of himself. WTF? Somebody is playing games.

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Originally Posted by mcap

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by redietz

For anyone not familiar with sports betting, monitors recorded every selection of mine for decades. Those monitors included former Seattle Times reporter Mike McCusker's "Tipsters or Gypsters?" published annually in Las Vegas. Also The Absolute Truth, published in conjunction with The Satellite Cable handicap weekly out of Buffalo. Also The Sports Monitor out of Oklahoma City, also weekly. Also Handicapper's Report Card, again weekly. Also Playbook newsletter published my plays every week on newsstands for decades nationally.

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Show us proof of your results in these contests. And please, don't give us the "contact so and so and ask them" treatment or "look up this, look up that." Don't give us any shit about copyright law. As a journalist you know you don't have to use the same format. Post up the results of these contests you supposedly won.

You have challenged others to "post up proof" many times. It's your turn in the barrel.

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Come on man. Redeitz was going to great lengths to deliver Alan packages of this stuff.

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Oh, so you know what was in the package? That's good. So tell us what the contents were. Enquiring minds want to know.

The easiest thing for Ditz to have done is post the information here.

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Originally Posted by redietz

Again, you have an anonymous handle alleging he's a blackjack player with no actual credentials, no third-party verification, no documented history, no nothing, and he misrepresents the documented ATS record of a real person. I retired from the Wise Guys Contest two years ago, which last I checked was not, I repeat not, 30 years ago.

KewlJ seems intent on lying about when I was documented in public. Being documented for 30 years is a little different from being documented 30 years ago.

I think an ongoing ATS record stretching back 30 years, in public, on newsstands nationally, would hold some water, as compared to the forum rantings of some anonymous alleged blackjack player who faked not an ATS record but his own death.

Again, the amazing thing isn't that kewlJ lies, but that he expects people to believe him.

KewlJ, do you hire yourself out at Easter for Coming-Back-from-the-Dead parties? I hear you're a blast when you're not getting your arm broken.

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Again, Pinocchio Dietz, show proof of your results or it didn't happen.

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

I bet that Tipsters and Gypsters is all a bunch of Bullshit. The magazine was probably in cahoots with touts because it's all a big symbiotic relationship. I bet if you dig deep enough, you will find all kinds of skullduggery.

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You won't. But thanks for the tip. Or was it a gyp? Whatever your record was in McCusker's Tipsters or Gypsters? was an understatement, because rather than allowing flexible call-in days and times, McCusker took the stance that the general public did almost all of their betting from Friday evening on, so for college football you were locked into Fri/Sat morning lines from Leroy's. Whatever your McCusker record, your actual betting record -- if you shopped at all -- was undoubtedly better.

There was a faux pre-season magazine that had a brilliant plan to promote two services that didn't exist before the magazine ranked them. They had a clever strategy for avoiding any legal blowback, which I can review on air. I have to be careful because the magazine was eventually bought by a reputable company that kept the name and format but turned it into a legit magazine.

I love Axelwolf, who knows absolutely nothing, criticizing Mike McCusker. Have you read any "Tipsters or Gypsters" Axelwolf? Because if you haven't, shame on you. What you just wrote smeared a fine, honest reporter. The San Fran Chronicle ran a piece on McCusker.

McCusker even went so far as to publish multi-year records on the back pages, which no other monitor does. So you could see the very modest multi-year records in print each year.

It's a shame someone as allegedly knowledgeable as Axelwolf finds it so easy to slander a fine man without even a hint of proof. Just an "I bet that." Why would anyone do that? I ask again, Axelwolf, have you read multiple issues of "Tipsters or Gypsters?" I believe Gamblers Book Club published it. McCusker retained the rights.

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If McCuckster published his results then you can do the same. Put up or shut up.

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

As you can see the Ditz just keeps on with the bullshit. You have to ask yourself why does the Ditz waste his time here when he could be flying high with "his peers." You know, professional sports bettors. Have you ever seen a debate between Ditz and a real professional sports bettor? It looks to me he avoids them like the plague.

No matter all this stuff he talks about "opinion" he can't get around the fact that Billy Walters published a handicapping system that is purely mathematical.

Opinion is just another word for hunch. As Amarillo Slim said, hunches are for two dogs fucking.

Another question for radio show, if it ever happens:

Is Billy Walters mathematical system for sports betting bullshit or not? In redietz opinion, does it work?

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Mickey, you are out of your depth. Seriously, as in 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (a fine book). You're not even framing your own question properly.

And I'll take you to task for misleading anyone reading your post. Walters doesn't posit "a mathematical system for sports betting." He goes into specifics for the NFL, which is not "sports betting." The specifics he discusses have elements that are no longer valid because, guess what, the stats are (1) dated and (2) don't adjust for the effects of rule changes, which are actually a big deal. I'm not saying that Mr. Walters didn't incorporate the effects of rule changes in his own betting (of course he did); I'm saying that the info you're getting in the book doesn't come close to comprehensively reviewing the history of the data.

Do you really, stupidly think Mr. Walters gave you some fabulously useful tips on how to win at "sports betting" in the book? C'mon, man, as they say on ESPN. He gave you some dated tips on how to win at the NFL, which is not really how he made his money, because the NFL is actually one of, if not the, most difficult sports at which to win. You'll see quotes about large NFL bets in the book, but no long term breakdown of which sports provided how much income compared to each other. The absence of these kinds of comparisons or summaries is obvious and startling.

The power rating stuff you get a taste of in the book is barely one step above GamePlan Magazine's power ratings, which I followed and adjusted since I was 13 or 14.

Mickey has very little idea what he's talking about, which is fine. Can you imagine, however, if I decided I was a master of advantage slots and mickey needed to listen to me? Fortunately, I'm not stupid or arrogant enough to be a Leonardo Da AP.

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Stop Redietz! Once again you've embarrassed yourself. "Dated" and "Not adjusted for rules changes" is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is HE PUBLISHED A PURELY MATHEMATICAL STRATEGY. And he showed how he continually updated his purely mathematical system. So if he were still handicapping today he would be using his "UPDATED PURELY MATHEMATICAL SYSTEM."

Redietz, the point is HE USED A PURELY MATHEMATICAL SYSTEM FOR BETTING NFL. Ding a ling! You will never be able to get around that fact.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

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Originally Posted by TheGrimReaper

Coach is the best man here when it comes to really, in theory, and actually, in practice, proving things out.

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And that's why tewlj wants me banned.

He is a pathological liar, incapable of posting honestly, and the enemy of the truth.

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Originally Posted by mcap

You’re going into these elaborate logic chains that aren’t ALL that different from saying you couldn’t possibly count cards for a living in Las Vegas for over a decade….

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

kewlJ is basically the Boy Who Cried Wolf of these AP forums. He has lied so many times that it's impossible to believe any stories he tells

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Carrying on from RED’s post above here is the best story ever on the shady side of the handicapping business. It touches of the fake magazine RED touched on. Back when Sports Illustrated actually did reporting instead of clickbait they did a deep review of the industry. Nothing new to those in the know but to the average sap, it was eye opening.

Some of you have probably read it before but if you haven’t, it’s a long read but well worth it for the discussion at hand.

https://vault.si.com/vault/1991/11/1...uch-that-phone

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Originally Posted by The Boz

Carrying on from RED’s post above here is the best story ever on the shady side of the handicapping business. It touches of the fake magazine RED touched on. Back when Sports Illustrated actually did reporting instead of clickbait they did a deep review of the industry. Nothing new to those in the know but to the average sap, it was eye opening.

Some of you have probably read it before but if you haven’t, it’s a long read but well worth it for the discussion at hand.

https://vault.si.com/vault/1991/11/1...uch-that-phone

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The interesting aspect of this is that Sports Illustrated was, after the fact, trying to fix a problem they in part created. Back in 1973 or 74, SI did a back page, full page article on Danny Sheridan (aka Schacter). They allowed the writer to report his tango with Sheridan as fact, and they published numbers that were ridiculous. Sheridan not only claimed some far-out percentage, but claimed he picked up vibes by walking around a football field near his house.

Anyway, SI did a follow-up a year later, and reported they had tracked him at slightly sub-50%, which was a far cry from his high-volume 80-some percent bullshit.

But it was, of course, too late. The previous year's faux reporting had garnered him all kinds of fans and investors. He had been a real estate sales guy. He quit that and became a high profile tout, eventually landing on pre-game analysis on a major network. A couple of people who talked to Sheridan for the second SI article reported he was unfamiliar with things as basic as some conference affiliations (much easier to remember back when teams didn't play musical chairs with conferences).

SI basically made Sheridan's career with their bullshit puff piece. Some of his misdirection with the reporter who covered him was very similar to the stunts alleged psychics pull to prove their powers. I wasn't surprised. The writer was probably a collaborator with Sheridan, but the writer didn't necessarily lie in a way that would get him in any legal trouble.

P.S. The poor part of Axelwolf's comment about McCusker being a liar/collaborator in the Sheridan vein is that Axelwolf probably hasn't read McCusker. It would be evident what McCusker, a former Seattle Times reporter, thought of Sheridan and Mike Warren and all the classic (and this was coined by McCusker) "scamdicappers." Yes, Boz, McCusker used that word in print first. When the San Fran Chronicle did a feature on McCusker, the lead paragraph featured many of the creative monikers McCusker gave "scamdicappers."

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by redietz

Again, you have an anonymous handle alleging he's a blackjack player with no actual credentials, no third-party verification, no documented history, no nothing,

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Mr. Dietz, I am an active blackjack player, playing and making a living mostly in this one location. As an AP and specifically a card counter, table game player AP, I can not continue to earn a living unless I remain as anonymous as possible. It is funny, but you used to understand this. Then all of the sudden you started demanding AP's stop being anonymous.

Now I don't know how a professional sports bettor works. Based on you, shouting your name from the highest mountain, posting your address, and now phone number, I guess anonymity isn't important. hell, didn't you even post a picture of yourself, sitting at a table with a couple other gents and specifically identified which one was you. :confused:

If I did that, or any real AP working this town, it would be the end of our career. Maybe you can get away with it because sports betting now is mostly done overseas. few people are running around to sports books in Vegas making wagers and a living.

So, I can almost forgive you for not understanding what it means or entails to be an advantage player playing for a living or even any substantial stakes, in casinos in Las Vegas. I could forgive that you don't understand that.....EXCEPT that you used to understand that. You started pretending NOT to understand that when you started your attack on advantage players, simply because some are doing some things at an advantage involving sports betting.

You not knowing, or pretending not to know that real winning players, MUST be anonymous, if they want to continue playing, puts you in the same boat as your now buddy Mdawg, who ridiculously claims to play rated and win every day. The name on that boat is Titanic because what you are claiming or in your case pretending not to know, is fantasy shit. Real winning players must remain anonymous. If you didn't learn that spending 100 days a year in Vegas for 40 years, then you don't know shit about this town or what it means to play for a living.

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And you being anonymous means you have no corroboration for any of your alleged stories. That's simply a fact.

Imagine if I claimed I won 80% ATS, but I'm so hated by books I must stay anonymous. Would anyone believe me? LOL.

KewlJ(s) have zero corroboration but invent fake news about someone who has decades of multiple third-party corroboration read by, literally, tens of thousands of people. The KewlJ(s) have mental issues. Logic seems to evade them.

My best guess at this point is that the KewlJ(s) are basically idiots. I have to think they are on forums to troll for sex partners and/or investors or both.

I can't believe I hadn't thought of this, but -- assuming the first show goes well -- it would make a lot of sense to have Boz on any second show with me. Maybe from Las Vegas. I have some truly knowledgeable clients, but I think Boz may edge them all out in terms of knowing the business and its history and pitfalls. I'd bet he knows more about the business than 99% of the current YouTubers. I would not want to match history recall with Boz on this.

Boz could be a devil's advocate for anything I say, kind of an 11th man in the Israeli military, so to speak. I think logicians call it The Tenth Man Rule.

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Originally Posted by redietz

I can't believe I hadn't thought of this, but -- assuming the first show goes well -- it would make a lot of sense to have Boz on any second show with me. Maybe from Las Vegas. I have some truly knowledgeable clients, but I think Boz may edge them all out in terms of knowing the business and its history and pitfalls. I'd bet he knows more about the business than 99% of the current YouTubers. I would not want to match history recall with Boz on this.

Boz could be a devil's advocate for anything I say, kind of an 11th man in the Israeli military, so to speak. I think logicians call it The Tenth Man Rule.

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You're not going to have 1 show.

More smoke genades

Tasha, are you lurking? This is a great money making idea for you, becoming a tout.

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

I bet that Tipsters and Gypsters is all a bunch of Bullshit. The magazine was probably in cahoots with touts because it's all a big symbiotic relationship. I bet if you dig deep enough, you will find all kinds of skullduggery.

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You won't. But thanks for the tip. Or was it a gyp? Whatever your record was in McCusker's Tipsters or Gypsters? was an understatement, because rather than allowing flexible call-in days and times, McCusker took the stance that the general public did almost all of their betting from Friday evening on, so for college football you were locked into Fri/Sat morning lines from Leroy's. Whatever your McCusker record, your actual betting record -- if you shopped at all -- was undoubtedly better.

There was a faux pre-season magazine that had a brilliant plan to promote two services that didn't exist before the magazine ranked them. They had a clever strategy for avoiding any legal blowback, which I can review on air. I have to be careful because the magazine was eventually bought by a reputable company that kept the name and format but turned it into a legit magazine.

I love Axelwolf, who knows absolutely nothing, criticizing Mike McCusker. Have you read any "Tipsters or Gypsters" Axelwolf? Because if you haven't, shame on you. What you just wrote smeared a fine, honest reporter. The San Fran Chronicle ran a piece on McCusker.

McCusker even went so far as to publish multi-year records on the back pages, which no other monitor does. So you could see the very modest multi-year records in print each year.

It's a shame someone as allegedly knowledgeable as Axelwolf finds it so easy to slander a fine man without even a hint of proof. Just an "I bet that." Why would anyone do that? I ask again, Axelwolf, have you read multiple issues of "Tipsters or Gypsters?" I believe Gamblers Book Club published it. McCusker retained the rights.

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Is this the correct mag? If so, I have seen enough, as the very first one I looked up, it had this BS below ROFLMAO.

Since 1974 when Harold Peterson, Staff Writer for Sports Illustrated, monitored
Danny's sensational 89% versus the spread
(184 winners of 205 games, plus 28 of 28 upset
specials during the 1974 Season; see Sports
Illustrated 9/22/75), Danny has been the
premler football anaylst in the Country. For
the past 10 years no one has come close to
matching Danny's uncanny ability to accurately predict the outcome of College & Pro Football games versus the spread.

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