Congrats Regnis!
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Congrats Regnis!
Congrats, regnis. That is very pretty.
Aye, aye... nice hit regnis!
Got my 3rd Royal of the year last night after switching from 9/5 DDBP to this rather poor paying schedule of BP.
Must've been psychic! :-)
I love to see that dannyj -- a royal on a 6/5 Jacks pay table. The 6/5 pay table didn't matter much, right? It still pays 4000 coins.
Edited to add: oops it's 6/5 Bonus? What is it?
50/35/6/5...97.36%
Yes, 6/5 BP. I probably play about 99% DDBP on this machine because the pay schedule is so much better and it is not as boring, but was in such a cold cycle that I switched and got the royal on the fourth hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
97% or 108%---it really doesn't matter if you're not getting the cards during a short visit. Still believe that "long-term" is gonna reach into your pocket to snatch all that profit? Why? Anything can happen today; anything can happen tomorrow; and anything can happen the day after tomorrow. Especially if you employ a strategy of playing that includes the proper bankroll with a steady increase in denomination AND game volatility.
Players need to stop being afraid of under 100% pay tables. It's only a few percent, and it rarely makes any difference during any given visit or visits.
Wow! Have been enjoying Random Rewqrds on my favorite machine. Gotta give Ultimate X a shotl
Nobody is giving him any grief for the pay table. I believe you won't find 100%+ unless you're in Vegas anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
This is something I say every time someone posts a big win on a bad pay table, because it's just about the same way I've won so consistently over the last 15 years+. I played +EV tables for a little over a year in 2000-2001 at all denominations, and my avg. results were no better or no worse than they were in the years after on -EV games. So I've never understood all the hysteria surrounding the "need" to play 100%+ machines when in any given session they rarely make any kind of a difference.
The typical sucker is just going to play that extra four to ten hands they get from the extra five credits they get on full houses or flushes anyway.
I saw three royals today from other people. One was a $4000 one on 8/5 DDB. He got paid and just kept right on banging away.
Playing 8/5 JOB instead of 9/6 JOB...you're giving up about 2 bets (or 10 credits) every ~90 hands, ie: 1 bet (5 credits) every ~45 hands [it's actually more frequent than that]. I don't know how much recreational gamblers play, let's say 2 hours per visit, playing a leisurely 600 HPH, on $1 denom. On a trip, that's 1200 hands of play, losing $5 every 45 hands....that's $130 per trip in extra losses. Playing once a week, that's $520/month.
This is not some "theoretical mathematical mumbo jumbo" where you gotta play a million hands before you begin to realize how much it hurts the player. It's something you will easily and quickly realize it's hurting you, quite a lot. Next time you go out and play, whatever game you're playing (preferably full-pay or close to it), and every time you hit a hand that isn't on the full pay pay-table, keep count. (ie: Playing 9/5 JOB, every time you hit a flush, keep count....if you're playing 7/5 BP and hit a FH, keep count...playing 8/5 DDB and hit a FH or flush, keep count...etc.) Just add '1' every time you hit an under-paying hand...unless you're getting underpaid by 2 (ie: 6/5 BP) then add 2 to it.
At the end of the session, multiply your number by the size of your bet ($1 denom playing 5 credits...you'd multiply by $5). I tried this before, on a $5 8/5 JOB machine [a pretty good promotion]....the loss in 8/5 vs 9/6 was a little over $1,000.
Rob, you can hit a big hand today, tomorrow, or next year. Always going to be ups and downs, no doubt about it. But if you play for any good amount of time, and it quickly (and constantly) eats you down. If you pay attention, you'll see. But I gotta give it to you, you sound very much like a gambler, more concerned with a game's volatility than the return/HE. :cool:
You don't lose more on a bad pay table you lose it all in less hands.
Basically what I meant also. They just get to play some extra hands before going broke. And on top of it, we know the typical player is making nowhere near the correct plays. Even on simple games like JoB.Quote:
Originally Posted by quahaug
That said, if I'm going to DG vp, I'm going to a place that has the best pay table for that particular game in whatever area I'm at.
The way you look at playing vp is the exact reason Chuck DiRocco (owner of Gaming Today) fired Dancer and Skip Hughes and asked me to replace both of them that lasted nearly 8 years--and only because he died. He was tired of all the AP theory nonsense and wanted to inject some reality into his paper. The baloney about losing $130 and $520 is probability at its finest with no basis in reality....and job is a loser's game anyway. Sure, if you sit there for 4 hours a day or whatever on the same denomination and do it time and time again, you'll likely lose more playing an 8/5 game than the guy next to you playing 9/6. But that's a far cry from MY game. These big winners come, and when you get to the $5/$10/$25/$100 levels that I've played in my strategy, many time a simple quad does the trick. There's no magic or mystery to it, and while the better pay table may yield some extra hands, they overwhelmingly do not help and everyone knows that.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
When it comes right down to it all you're doing is repeating the same old rhetoric about how much those phantom bucks are worth. To me they're worth nothing, and the only time they mean anything to someone like you is when you're writing about theory from your keyboard.
None of the above described is advantage play. All of it will lose. I've seen zero proof any of it works. All I see is talk and no action. Winners play and keep quiet. Losers talk shit all day.
It's always easy to cry out "I've never seen the proof"! But, whenever anyone asks any of the "advantage players" and/or those who claim the "winners are the quiet ones who lurk on the streets of LV etc." in order to give the perception that they win win win, to provide THEIR proof, the request is either ignored or obfuscated into convenient oblivion.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
I've gone thru the "prove it to me" challenge at least a half dozen times, and whenever I get close, the accusers simply disappear. Go read the history on WoV for one example, or the Fezzik Challenge in Gaming TODAY for another. Yet I have never once seen Dancer or any of the other so-called vp "winners" offer up anything but excuses. And our own AP arci, when challenged to provide his proof, runs around in circles and claims his "advantage play" is proof enuf. Of course, he has a boatload of guilt he's dealing with these days, but maybe, just maybe he'll eventually come around and provide proof.
Rob, the problem is when we provide our proof, you dismiss it, comments like, "free play isn't cash, it has no value", "only losers play for comps", "just because the HE is ~0.5%, anything can happen when you play", etc....