Bet on Kamala.....

I blame obesity on big tech, not big pharma.

Rather than "go outside and play" which was once the norm for kids, today they "play" with electronic devices / social media.

Their parents also spend too much time on electronic devices / social media.

I've no problem with big pharma advertising on TV, same as I've no problem with politicians flooding the airwaves at election time spewing lies about their opponent: the price of freedom?

RFK jr. has no training in the health field that I'm aware of, he simply drills down on the vaccine issue: like Herr Trump he's the loosest of cannons and unqualified to serve.

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I blame obesity on big tech, not big pharma.

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That is only part of the problem, MrV.

Sugar and white flour (gluten). These things are literally poison to our bodies. The government KNOWS it, yet went along with changing the food supply to be made up of all this crap because it is cheaper.

This "change" occurred in the 60's and 70's. And it is no coincidence that cancer rates and other diseases all exploded at that same time. Sugar and gluten are the leading cause of inflammation, which really is the root of most medical problems. Inflammation is the body reacting to these poisons being fed into it.

Regardless JFK jr is not the solution to any problem. Doesn't the guy have worms eating his brain or something? :D

By the way this worm in the brain issue that JFK suffered and was treated for, comes from animals, often pigs. When it effects people, it is usually 3rd world countries where the people sleep in close proximity to farm animals. Is this guy (JFK) living in a barn or what?

I remember when I was a kid I did all the pharmaceutical shopping in my family, and I would watch with rapt attention all of the pharmaceutical advertising I could get my eyes on.

I was abusing multiple forms of blood pressure medication and anti-ulceratives before I could even walk.

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No there was not some big cover-up by the press.

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Well... kind of. What I personally found very early on in the pandemic is I could rarely ever corroborate mainstream headlines. And I'm not talking about a conspiracy site claiming something contradictory. I would just go directly to Covid infections/deaths or hospitalizations data sources. 90% of the time they would cherry pick something out of the data that was technically true, but the data as a whole was saying something entirely different. Eventually it became clear that the media was only reporting exactly what was beneficial to big pharma.

I came across a lot of surprising things while studying all things Covid for a couple years but nothing shocked me more than this. Data from the CDC:

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"RFK Jr. is a conspiracy nut that knows nothing about medicine and has no business making decisions requiring any knowledge of science."

"American's are fat! Do you like fat Americans?"

It's not surprising that you don't think that understanding expected values is an important part of being a profitable sports bettor.

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https://nypost.com/2023/07/15/rfk-jr...to-spare-jews/ This link has him talking about how the labs in Ukraine are there to collect Russian DNA to make ethnically targetted bio-weapons which may or may not be what COVID was.

The guy is a total whack job and should be called out for that.

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Great non sequitur. RFK Jr. has emphasized two separate problems. Drug advertising to all ages on US television. American obesity. If you think those aren't problems, more power to you.

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The guy has severe issues.

TBH I'm trying to figure out how legitimate this seed-oil thing is. Is it just a thing pushed in these rightwing silos to sell things? I know all my rightwing associates thing this is a big deal .. and you don't hear about it until you start watching right-wing youtube videos with the ads on.

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No there was not some big cover-up by the press.

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Well... kind of. What I personally found very early on in the pandemic is I could rarely ever corroborate mainstream headlines. And I'm not talking about a conspiracy site claiming something contradictory. I would just go directly to Covid infections/deaths or hospitalizations data sources. 90% of the time they would cherry pick something out of the data that was technically true, but the data as a whole was saying something entirely different. Eventually it became clear that the media was only reporting exactly what was beneficial to big pharma.

I came across a lot of surprising things while studying all things Covid for a couple years but nothing shocked me more than this. Data from the CDC:

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I hear this msm conspiracy stuff but I need proof. This will piss you off but I'm a huge doubter. I believe they do cherrypick but I don't think they do it because of big-pharma.

Back then everyone who believed in vaccines basically wished everyone got one. There are many reasons things are cherry-picked.

There are so many confounding factors in these things.

If the vaccines caused a very large number of excess death I would think it is more traceable. I'm just skeptical of how many deaths the vaccine actually caused. Society changed in many ways during this time and so forth.

There is a lot of disinformation put out on social media by actors outside the US. THey want us to totally not believe in our institutions. Fight back on everything. This works to their advantage as it makes us less functional. Of course being a skeptic is a valuable thing to do as a citizen but one has to also be skeptical of skepticism.

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I blame obesity on big tech, not big pharma.

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That is only part of the problem, MrV.

Sugar and white flour (gluten). These things are literally poison to our bodies. The government KNOWS it, yet went along with changing the food supply to be made up of all this crap because it is cheaper.

This "change" occurred in the 60's and 70's. And it is no coincidence that cancer rates and other diseases all exploded at that same time. Sugar and gluten are the leading cause of inflammation, which really is the root of most medical problems. Inflammation is the body reacting to these poisons being fed into it.

Regardless JFK jr is not the solution to any problem. Doesn't the guy have worms eating his brain or something? :D

By the way this worm in the brain issue that JFK suffered and was treated for, comes from animals, often pigs. When it effects people, it is usually 3rd world countries where the people sleep in close proximity to farm animals. Is this guy (JFK) living in a barn or what?

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When I abused alcohol I once ate some pork raw. I don't knwo much about cooking and the Oriental food market isn't as clear on the directions. It could have easily happened to me. (and may have!)

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Regardless JFK jr is not the solution to any problem.

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That may be true, but it just shows that even a blind squirrel can find an acorn now and then.

You really are a moron....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_Jr.

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Regardless JFK jr is not the solution to any problem.

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That may be true, but it just shows that even a blind squirrel can find an acorn now and then.

You really are a moron....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_Jr.

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...or a landing strip.

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I believe they do cherrypick but I don't think they do it because of big-pharma.

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So you don't think that any given company is beholden to those that provide them a large share of their funding??

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If the vaccines caused a very large number of excess death I would think it is more traceable.

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Yeah but these multi-billion dollar corporations want to make sure it is not. You don't think they can do that?? Mass censorship on social media has already been exposed. They also attempted to not disclose the vaccine trials data... well it was going to take 75yrs. Why? The CDC shut down their Covid vaccine adverse event reporting system. Why?

The conspiracy theorists think this all was a master plan executed by technocrat elites for the purpose of population control. That's not me. Simply follow the money and things become very clear.

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At this point anyone who thinks FraudJ represents anything truthfully or factually correct is a fool.....RIP

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I believe they do cherrypick but I don't think they do it because of big-pharma.

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So you don't think that any given company is beholden to those that provide them a large share of their funding??

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If the vaccines caused a very large number of excess death I would think it is more traceable.

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Yeah but these multi-billion dollar corporations want to make sure it is not. You don't think they can do that?? Mass censorship on social media has already been exposed. They also attempted to not disclose the vaccine trials data... well it was going to take 75yrs. Why? The CDC shut down their Covid vaccine adverse event reporting system. Why?

The conspiracy theorists think this all was a master plan executed by technocrat elites for the purpose of population control. That's not me. Simply follow the money and things become very clear.

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I don't think msm was making up stuff about the vaccine so that big pharma could make more money - no. I suspect there were other factors in play that had more impact. This form of arguing where you try to make my belief into some broad overarching belief is something I always see when arguing with this stuff.

People say follow the money. They'll say researchers who spent many years of their life studying things through a time-tested meritocracy are chasing money while the guy who has no other outs in life outside of being a social media influencer is NOT impacted by money.

Academia and academic journals are not controlled by big pharma. Anyway bro.. this is so played. I can go find you MANY studies that show you're wrong and can't find any the other way. Why is that? I know I can go on and professional skeptics and or influencers and find something .. but eh why? Those people are more impacted by the need for money than some academic with tenure or whatever. The numbers are out there and published. shrug

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I don't think msm was making up stuff about the vaccine

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Eh... not so much making stuff up as just spinning a cherry picked piece of data to make things look a certain way.

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I can go find you MANY studies that show you're wrong

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A Covid vaccine safety study?? Would love to see it!

Try to remember that being a professional skeptic meant you did so at the risk of losing your job. However there is a pathologist who owns his own company that had some very interesting opinions on what the vaccines were doing. Maybe I can find that link, it's been so long since I've been into this stuff.

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Academia and academic journals are not controlled by big pharma.

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Directly controlled?? Hopefully not, but if you think massive multi-billion dollar corporations don't have some influence, I'd say that's a bit naive.

Probably one of the more egregious use of cherry picking data was when they were pushing really hard to get kids to get the vax. So the headline was something like: Children 12 & under hospitalized with Covid quadruples over the last two weeks.

Then you look at the hospitalization data and found yes it was true. However you also found that all age groups had a massive increase in hospitalizations because a new variant of Covid was breaking out. Including an increase in Covid patients over 60 by 6X, but they left that part out. Stuff like that.

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Eh... not so much making stuff up as just spinning a cherry picked piece of data to make things look a certain way.


A Covid vaccine safety study?? Would love to see it!

Try to remember that being a professional skeptic meant you did so at the risk of losing your job. However there is a pathologist who owns his own company that had some very interesting opinions on what the vaccines were doing. Maybe I can find that link, it's been so long since I've been into this stuff.

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Academia and academic journals are not controlled by big pharma.

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Directly controlled?? Hopefully not, but if you think massive multi-billion dollar corporations don't have some influence, I'd say that's a bit naive.

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You guys arguing this always mispresent. You did this again. I never said the journals are not influenced at all by pharma but big pharma is not going to have the power to cover up the studies. Nor do they hold that much sway over college/uni employment. If you want to make that argument about msm - sure. I can at least see and understand what you believe.

What you don't seem to realize is how the other side is likely cherry-picking even more so. Maybe not - it is an impossible thing to settle via a forum argument but nonetheless I feel quite confident in believing that. It just all feeds back into this anti-msm rhetoric that is pushed on society by various entities. Fake news, faker news, and the fakest news. MSM at worst is the first category. So much of what I see referenced seemed to be in the latter.

The thought process of social media grifters is something like - "Listen to me! You're smart! We know what the masses don't know! We're smarter than them. We're not sheep! Here ... look at this" .. cherrypicked (possibly made up) nonsense. For some reason they're so often seen as an actual improvement over MSM. I disagree the vast majority of the time.

Biggest conspiracy by the MSM is all the pro-Israeli propaganda and IMO it isn't even close.

I can find numerous studies that don't seem to find much if any increase in mortality based on the vaccine. There just isn't that big of a force to cover-up these things if it were the case. So yes - I can show many studies that show that mortality did not increase. Real legitimate studies by respectable people who aren't social media influencers. That matters a lot to me. Some people love their social media influencers. I do too - for entertainment or to get ideas from. Not to get hard facts from or solid analysis of complicated issues.

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You guys arguing this always mispresent. You did this again. I never said the journals are not influenced at all by pharma but big pharma is not going to have the power to cover up the studies.

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To this I can only say huh?? You said they don't control, I said they probably have some influence. Then you say you agree with me. But I'm misrepresenting what now??

You think we got info from social media influencers?? LMAO Oh no, back when we were looking at all this stuff anything like that had been censored off pretty much all SM platforms. I did find non-US mainstream media to be more reliable but of course everything is biased. I definitely looked at stuff that I'm sure you would not bother with, but often come to the conclusion that it was complete nonsense. You just had to read whatever you came across and use your best judgement. What was congruent with the experts in their fields and such. Often you'd come across some interesting info in a story but then the author came to a biased and unwarranted conclusion, but the data presented still had merit. I did my best to fact check stuff whenever possible. I even did my own analysis of the vaccine effectiveness based on UK data when it was first available. I'm friends with a doctor who oversaw Covid patients in a local hospital that I got direct feedback from. I had up to date mortality, hospitalization, infection data available on browser tabs to corroborate stuff. I really found the scope of the deception fascinating. I do still have a few things. Wanna see the trial results that warranted emergency use of the vaccine?

Then later once some of the trials data was released it came out that pretty much most of the people who got side effects were simply removed from the trial and not incorporated into the results. It's honestly pretty hard to believe that this happened but here we are.

Whatever....the vaccine worked, we got through it.

Move on...

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Whatever....the vaccine worked

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I'll agree that it kept many people out of the hospitals with Covid, and I'll never dispute that.

But don't ever take that vax again... trust me.

My wife and I "trust the science" and take all recommended vaccines, be it for covid, shingles, whatever.

So far, so good.