Update on the KJ AP experience

One other thing HS. A number of years back, I had the chance to ask Don S about the RPC (level 2) that he played and all the index plays he plays. Despite being known for the Illustrious 18, Don plays over 150 index plays, many negative plays, because he is from the old play all approach days.

So, Dons answer in that discussion was "given everything he knew at the time of the question, if he was starting over that day, he would have just settled on Hi-Lo and the 18-20 index plays", rather than a level 2 RPC and 150 index plays. That always stuck with me. :rolleyes:

So I was a little surprised when Don was involved with this Caraculo project, which almost seemed to contradict what he told me about keeping it simple. I am thinking it was almost an academic exercise. It is fun to see what the math comes up with on paper (simulations), but that really doesn't mean that is the best application for real life play. Just speculating.

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The blackjack card counting math IS the blackjack card counting math. There is nothing new going on there. It has been known for 60+ years.

In the early days of single double deck games, with a decent spread players could gain up to 2% advantage. As casinos countered that with 6 deck games and dealer hit soft 17, that number came down to 1% advantage or really even less, if you are not escaping a lot of the bad counts. My advantage is probably just tickling 1%. Of course I do some cover plays (discussed recently) which cut into that, so maybe even less than 1%. I am OK with that.

But I am just not impressed with the idea that "new counts" are going to change the math. I wasn't impressed with the guy on Norms forum (T3) when I was there that tried to claim that with his super-duper count, and all due respect to Caraculo and Don S, I am not buying it makes much difference now. You aren't going to change the math. If you want to change something, come up with ways to play that allow you to play longer and increase longevity.

How many players do you think there have been that stumbled across one of the card counting books, or maybe even a discussion on one of these forums, then learned and read everything they could, practiced for a couple months at home, built or set aside the proper bankroll, then rolled into casinos to start playing and only lasted weeks or months (depending on how often they played)?? :confused:

They spread 1-8, or 1-10 or 1-12 just like the books said. Did everything just like the books said. And lasted no time because they played like a robot just like the books said. :cool:

I harp on the math. Gambling and advantage play is all about the math. But there is just nothing new with blackjack card counting math. To be successful and able to win, you need to figure a way to be able to keep playing. The math doesn't help you if you aren't able to play or keep playing. (I wonder if the bootcamp guys teach that :D) Every BJ book (and bootcamp) should come with this disclaimer. Everything in this book or camp is useless if you can't figure out how to keep being allowed and welcome to play. :)

That is really what I love about card counting in this era. My era. It is really about coming up with something a little different that buys you some time.

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Originally Posted by redietz

Account should know better than to cast doubt on KewlJ. In the Middle Ages, if people doubted that you could come back from the dead, they'd burn you at the stake. Not to mention instant recovery from broken arms and that kind of thing. I mean, in case anybody didn't notice, all that's missing from the KewlJ story is him carrying a cross down LV Boulevard and somebody stabbing him in the side. Or did I miss that? It's hard to keep up.

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That reminds me of the FUCKED UP Witch Trials. People being accused of being Witches would be tested by being dunked into a body of water. If the "Witch," floated, she was considered to be a Witch and was burned at the stake or hanged. If she sunk/drowned she was considered to be a normal Human. Both these scenarios ended with the accused person being DEAD, so both endings were bad. :(

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This dude is a fraud. He just tries to piece together things that he imagines goes on based on a culmination of bits and pieces of stories he pulls from the Internet. Clown world.

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This dude is a fraud. He just tries to piece together things that he imagines goes on based on a culmination of bits and pieces of stories he pulls from the Internet. Clown world.

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After KewlJ's latest, info-packed heartfelt posts, I finally realized his secret for longevity. I've gotten it all wrong to this point.

He's not Jesus of Nazareth coming back from the dead. He's not Dracula (and loving it).

He's the eminent Doctor Who. He dies, then returns in a completely different guise (or sex -- which may be why he gets confused, as Singer says). None of the dealers or management recognize him because he has a completely different body and face. So the secret to longevity, which has been in front of us all the time, is to be a Time Lord.

I should have recognized all of this immediately. I can't believe I whiffed. From the inside of a tardis, it's amazingly easy to count three tables simultaneously. And getting trespassed as a Time Lord doesn't alter a strip rotation in the least. You go back and play in time before you were trespassed. Plus if South Point breaks your arm, you just grow a new one!

I guess that makes MDawg the MDalek. Makes sense.

Good point.

Similarly, how dis a well known futures scout and sports contest participant last for decades even still able to step foot in real world Las Vegas sports books.

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This dude is a fraud. He just tries to piece together things that he imagines goes on based on a culmination of bits and pieces of stories he pulls from the Internet. Clown world.

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After KewlJ's latest, info-packed heartfelt posts, I finally realized his secret for longevity. I've gotten it all wrong to this point.

He's not Jesus of Nazareth coming back from the dead. He's not Dracula (and loving it).

He's the eminent Doctor Who. He dies, then returns in a completely different guise (or sex -- which may be why he gets confused, as Singer says). None of the dealers or management recognize him because he has a completely different body and face. So the secret to longevity, which has been in front of us all the time, is to be a Time Lord.

I should have recognized all of this immediately. I can't believe I whiffed. From the inside of a tardis, it's amazingly easy to count three tables simultaneously. And getting trespassed as a Time Lord doesn't alter a strip rotation in the least. You go back and play in time before you were trespassed. Plus if South Point breaks your arm, you just grow a new one!

I guess that makes MDawg the MDalek. Makes sense.

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I love this guy Dietz. He now has a pretty long history of talking about shit that he knows nothing about. Dietz, you are such an expert on blackjack play, backoffs, trespasses, why don't you share with us your real experiences in this area?

While we wait for that, here is a little piece of info that most real blackjack advantage type player know, (although not all), but most novice type gamblers and player don't know. A back off is the most common counter measure in Vegas of a solo player (teams get trespassed, solo players mostly backed off). And a back off, which usual has wording about "no more blackjack play" is only good for that particular day. It isn't a permanent. It isn't a trespass. :cool:

Now if you push it by showing up the next day, and play with the same people involved, it will probably lead to a trespass. I actually did this once (against better judgement) at El Cortez, just because I wanted to really irritate one pit guy. I also knew that as an independent, that didn't participate in the databases, there was little chance of any consequences outside of that property. So I returned to this small casino the day after being backed off at the same time, knowing the same pit guy would be there. He almost popped a blood vessel running over to me saying "I told you that you couldn't play anymore", to which I replied "that was yesterday". :D It served no purpose except to irritate the old boy, which is what I wanted.

So yeah Red, get back to us with your real experiences of being backed off, trespassed ect card counting in Las Vegas. Then we can dissect that.

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Originally Posted by mcap

Good point.

Similarly, how dis a well known futures scout and sports contest participant last for decades even still able to step foot in real world Las Vegas sports books.

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The answer is surprisingly obvious and banal. If you've read Munchkin's book, Gambling Wizards, one of the interviews he does spells it out pretty clearly.

I'd give you the exact chapter and page, but I'm not getting paid to educate people, so exact chapter and page will have to wait until the "Day of the Interview." I mean that as a takeoff on one of my fave sci-fi movies, "Day of the Triffids." Almost everybody in that film goes blind, which resonates with the quality of sports wagering savvy on this forum (Boz excepted).

Oh, wow, just tried typing something randomly with my right hand. (The other night, it was with my left hand.)

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I love this guy Dietz. He now has a pretty long history of talking about shit that he knows nothing about. Dietz, you are such an expert on blackjack play, backoffs, trespasses, why don't you share with us your real experiences in this area?

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Nothing hun Dietz? crickets? Then how about you just keep you fucking mouth shut about things you don't know shit about. Limit your comments to telling us how Tout's operated in the 1980's and 1990's. Or maybe write a book about some of the greatest pick-up basketball games in the 70's.

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You blindly latch onto whatever anyone says that supports your narrative instead of doing your own research....RIP

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Which of course fits the pattern of that he doesn't actually play and lifts anything he has to say from other sources.

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I actually did this once (against better judgement) at El Cortez

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FraudJ is easy to find. Stall 2 El Cortez 6-8pm on Wednesday nights probably.

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Questions about my longevity, especially with most, not all but most of my play occurring in Las Vegas, are fair game. That is why I have always tried to answer some of them and explain some of what I do that has allowed and contributed to that longevity, which was always my top priority. I can't answer or share everything. But I do answer and share a lot, dating back to blackhole, and even dating back to Alan and the two tables' discussions.

It will surprise none of the real players, blackjack and just other AP's that often, I share things and techniques when I am pretty much done with them or winding down use of that particular technique. That is pretty much what I did with the tracking of two tables. There was a time, when I first moved to Vegas, there were opportunities for this just about everywhere. As traditional "pure" BJ tables became fewer, it became harder to find these opportunities. Not impossible but far fewer. So I was free to talk about it.

I have done the same with a lot of other techniques. Sometimes I talk too much and share too much and later wish I hadn't but for the most part, if I am sharing something, it isn't a big part of my game anymore. I don't know, that might not be fair to some other players that might still be employing some of these things. But I have had no complaints. Probably because there just aren't that many card counter type players anymore and the few that are still out there aren't reading this little forum. :rolleyes:

So you know that old saying I repeat? "It just doesn't take that much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking?" Well there is a flaw in that. I hadn't considered all the troll type people (high percentage of this forum), that would be able to figure it out but still not admit it because of some other bias or hatred. I was thinking more of normal people.

I have way beyond a doubt proven I know what the fuck I am talking about. And yet, haters and trolls refuse to acknowledge it. People say things like he never talks specifics. And then when I do, they say "I am not reading all that". or it is stuff he read on the internet. Almost any moronic excuse to justify that they just can't accept the truth.

It is kind of fun to make a fool out of these delusional deniers. But still a waste of a lot of time and energy. :rolleyes:

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Good point.

Similarly, how dis a well known futures scout and sports contest participant last for decades even still able to step foot in real world Las Vegas sports books.

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The answer is surprisingly obvious and banal. If you've read Munchkin's book, Gambling Wizards, one of the interviews he does spells it out pretty clearly.

I'd give you the exact chapter and page, but I'm not getting paid to educate people, so exact chapter and page will have to wait until the "Day of the Interview." I mean that as a takeoff on one of my fave sci-fi movies, "Day of the Triffids." Almost everybody in that film goes blind, which resonates with the quality of sports wagering savvy on this forum (Boz excepted).

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What exactly is Dan paying you to waste your time on here for then....

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I love this guy Dietz. He now has a pretty long history of talking about shit that he knows nothing about. Dietz, you are such an expert on blackjack play, backoffs, trespasses, why don't you share with us your real experiences in this area?

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Nothing hun Dietz? crickets? Then how about you just keep you fucking mouth shut about things you don't know shit about. Limit your comments to telling us how Tout's operated in the 1980's and 1990's. Or maybe write a book about some of the greatest pick-up basketball games in the 70's.

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LOL. A friend of mine did just that. Murry Nelson of Penn State has written many hoops books, including one listing the best places to play pick-up basketball. MrV, if you google him, you'll see that PSU also reprimanded him for smoking weed in his office. Murry was always ahead of his time. He played professionally for a short time in Portugal, by the way, and put together a team to venture to Florida for the Over 50 hoops tournaments down there. Amazing guy.

The team I played on with Murry was called The Golden Lobsters. It was an open (all age) league. We had one guy under 35 on the team and two women. Helluva team. I'm still a little miffed the two women started ahead of me, but that was Murry's call. Those women, you know, they don't always play great defense. We always had a winning record; almost always made the playoffs. The first game the league instituted the three-point shot, we made 21 of 40 threes. We knew the shot would ruin basketball as we knew it. I was the sixth or seventh best three-point shooter on the team and from certain spots I wasn't bad.

Anything else, kewlJ? I mean, c'mon, you know nothing about betting sports and yet you literally have written a thousand times the verbiage regarding sports as I've written about blackjack. So the pot calling the kettle black is pretty sad.

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Anything else, kewlJ? I mean, c'mon, you know nothing about betting sports and yet you literally have written a thousand times the verbiage regarding sports as I've written about blackjack. So the pot calling the kettle black is pretty sad.

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Well I doubt anyone cares about Murry and his book of pick-up basketball, but as to the above, where did I ever claim I am an expert on sports betting? Please link and quote!

I have been doing one specific advantage play involving sports betting, and it is the very simplest thing you can do at an advantage... play the bonus game for as long as you can get away with it.

For the life of me, I don't understand why YOU were so threatened by me, Axelwolf, mickey Crimm and some others venturing into sports betting doing some things at an advantage. THAT is what advantage players do. You seemed to have this bug up your ass that because you have been involved in sports betting (as a tout, I guess) that no one else has a right to do anything with sports betting. You Don't fucking own sports betting Bob Dietz!

Everybody is always giving Redietz crap about living in East Bumblefuck, Tennessee.

But there is actually a Darius Rucker song that mentions Johnson City, Tennessee at 3:11.

So maybe it’s not as East Bumblefuck as everyone thought.

https://youtu.be/hvKyBcCDOB4?si=BnqpcDbxcq7HbaOa

I am sure Johnson City is your typical smaller college/university town or small city. It is in Appalachia, so there is that hillbilly aspect. :D Other than that I am sure it is a lovely little place and nice place to call home.

What is funny about Johnson City is 1) redietz talking it up and 2) that it is home to a guy claiming to be one of the best professional sports bettors of the last 40 years. And he has contest results in publications, (some that people pay to be listed, like advertising) to prove it.

Now yeah, you can do sports betting from anywhere NOW. But the first half of the period in question, redietz spent half the year in Las Vegas, every year, as he keeps telling us, and what is funny is that a professional sports bettor that spent half the year in Vegas, wouldn't own a place, even a part-time small condo type place in Vegas. Instead Red bounced around from the lowest of low level weekly housing type joints.

And what is funny recently is that Red claimed there was some kind of gambling discussion at the Johnson City Book club room of the local library, like Johnson City is the mecca of sports betting. THAT is why we make fun of East Bumble fuck.

I think Bob Dietz's one real advantage play of his life may have occurred in Johnson City, when he got the wife to buy him a house. :D

The wife bought him a house and then passed at a young age. (may she rest in peace). And Dietz Dad hit retirement age and started collecting SS and passed and is buried in the back yard proving Dietz with an income. Free housing, free income and none of it from sports betting/touting. :cool:

Just a theory though.....you know, like the KJ male prostitution theory that Redeitz actually started.

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If kewlJ IS a male escort, the whole blackjack schtick is an excellent cover story to explain income to the IRS AND facilitate meeting wealthy dudes at casino tables.

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That is precisely what he does. He's been observed at the tables by a host of people including MaxPen and AxelWolf, in the presence of an obvious sugar daddy type, pushing around low level red and green chips as obvious cover.

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