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Originally Posted by coach belly

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

There is nothing illegal about standing behind a game watching.

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Nobody claimed that it is illegal.

But it's suspicious, and draws attention to yourself.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Took weeks. probably was suspicious, but so what?

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So what?

You've spent years, desperately trying to justify various measures and deceptions used to protect your anonymity.

Now suddenly you admit to standing in surveillance's view, back-counting a sweaty game, for weeks.

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It is quite telling that it didn't register with him how bad of an idea this would have been .. He just digs himself deeper and deeper with his holes. Once he starts digging he doesn't stop.

Ooooh I knew something was up because I watched 200 shoes by just standing there then bought a shuffler on ebay (which I immediately sold to someone else) blah blah blah.

Just standing there.. for weeks. I don't even think it registered with him how ludricous this would have been.

Insane.

He needs help.

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

Ooooh I knew something was up because I watched 200 shoes by just standing there then bought a shuffler on ebay (which I immediately sold to someone else) blah blah blah.

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Seriously, you are going to continue to lie about Ebay, when I have told you that you are lying multiple time? Do you need me to prove that you are lying, because I can.

At the time I purchased the machine I purchased, Shufflemaster only leased these machines and only to registered casinos. They would not service or help in any way a machine processed by someone not a casino. And if someone outside a casino possessed a machine it was proof that they had obtained it illegally since only shufflemaster owned the machines. And depending on the countries involved shufflemaster would take whatever legal action necessary to retrieve their machines, of which because they maintained ownership, it was not legally possible for anyone else to own.

This is why players had such a hard time getting these machines and there is no way ebay would be involved in selling one. You should apologize for repeating this lie, but I am quite sure you are not man enough to do so.



I was able to buy a machine on a site far different than ebay. (that is all I am going to say). The machine has actually been in use in a casino in a foreign country not long before I purchased it. Purchasing was only half the problem. It was illegal to have this machine, which could not be owned by anyone other than shufflemaster into the United States at the time I purchased. So we had to work around that too.

And that is precisely why once I had the machines, there was another high end AP willing and wanting to buy it after I had seen what I wanted to see. And why he actually put me in touch with someone that could help me see what I wanted to see. Someone VERY familiar with the machines if you get my drift.

So you see you continuing to repeat this proven lie exposes you for the low life troll that you have become. :cool:

Full disclosure: Since the time I purchased the machine, I believe shufflemaster will now sell machines directly to the public for about $15,000. I haven't looked into that, but you can bet your ass the feature of interest has been stripped out or isn't available in these machines sold to the public.

But you continue to lie and troll and do what you gotta do, Mr haven't drank in 2 weeks.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Do you need me to prove that you are lying, because I can.

So you see you continuing to repeat this proven lie

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There is no proven lie, until you prove that it is a lie.

Claiming that you can prove he is lying is not proof that he is lying.

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

Just standing there.. for weeks. I don't even think it registered with him how ludricous this would have been.

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Standing behind a table watching a game for 6-8 minutes is not that unusual. That is all it takes for once through a 2 deck shoe of cards. 2 decks @ 60-62% penetration is about 65 cards that will be played before the shuffle. depending on number of players that is just a few minutes per shoe.

So I could watch a couple times through the cards and then walk away and do something else for a couple minutes and then come back and watch a couple more. I could also sit down and play, flat betting while I did my tracking research. And there were VP machines about 6 feet away that I could play as well if I felt I was drawing attention. Tracking the cards was NOT a problem.

I think throughout the couple weeks I was doing so maybe 3 times a pit person asked if I wanted to play. twice I said "no, just watching". Once I said, "I don't think I trust those machines" just wanting to see if I got any reaction.

Thiese comments by you and belly make me think neither has ever sat down or is familiar with a blackjack table. People watch the game all the time.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

People watch the game all the time.

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Nobody back-counts 200 shoes over a period of weeks without being noticed, especially those who otherwise take extraordinary measures not to be noticed.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

I could also sit down and play, flat betting while I did my tracking research.

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Here you go again, changing the story....

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

I tracked over 200 shoes at El cortez that I wasn't playing in.

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So when you originally wrote that it took weeks, you meant 2 weeks?

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Took weeks. probably was suspicious

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

I think throughout the couple weeks I was doing so

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LOL..you're so full of shit. Get help.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

Nobody back-counts 200 shoes over a period of weeks without being noticed, especially those who otherwise take extraordinary measures not to be noticed.



Here you go again, changing the story....

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

I tracked over 200 shoes at El cortez that I wasn't playing in.

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I know you are math challenged Belly, BUT JUST explained the math to you.

A "shoe" or once through a 60% double deck game, which is what we are talking about takes, 6 minutes or less. So we are talking 1200 minutes total over 2 weeks. I didn't do it every day, but maybe 10 days. That is 120 minutes a day. 2 hours a day. I am didn't show up at 11am and stay til 1pm. I moved it around a bit, even showing up night shift a couple times. A couple days I watched for an hour or 90 minutes, then went and ate lunch then watched another hour.

All you are doing is embarrassing yourself, proving once again, you are arguing something you have no clue about. Which is what you always do.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

All you are doing is embarrassing yourself.

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Sorry, but no...you are embarrassing yourself with your ever-changing bullshit stories.

This is not about the math.

You see, when you tell the truth, you simply cling to the truth when examined, and your story doesn't change.

Somebody who is lying cannot cling to the truth....their story changes with each retelling.

Your story changed from "took weeks" to took 10 days.

Your story changed from doing everything to avoid suspicion to, "suspicious but who cares."

Your story changed from in and out of a casino, to hanging around the casino for 3 hours.

You are a liar, you are lying again.

Good luck thriving here with your crew...psychotic Dung Woo, on-probation Keystone, and kicked-to-the-curb Bozo.

Everybody else here has abandoned you...for good cause.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

All you are doing is embarrassing yourself.

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Sorry, but no...you are embarrassing yourself with your ever-changing bullshit stories.

This is not about the math.

You see, when you tell the truth, you simply cling to the truth when examined, and your story doesn't change.

Somebody who is lying cannot cling to the truth....their story changes with each retelling.

Your story changed from "took weeks" to took 10 days.

Your story changed from doing everything to avoid suspicion to, "suspicious but who cares."

Your story changed from in and out of a casino, to hanging around the casino for 3 hours.

You are a liar, you are lying again.

Good luck thriving here with your crew...psychotic Dung Woo, on-probation Keystone, and kicked-to-the-curb Bozo.

Everybody else here has abandoned you...for good cause.

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Did you escape from a mental institution because you are a fucking NUT!

You asked how long it took to track 200 times through a double deck game. I said "two weeks". That didn't mean it was 14 straight days or if it was actually 12 or 13 or 15 that I am lying, you crazy bastard.

I don't honestly know if it was 9 or 10 days over the two week. I was still out every day playing my regular rotation of games. I just made it a point to stop by EC at some point most days until I had accumulated enough information to satisfy myself that what I was seeing wasn't random.

Now YOU, you smelly bastard, had absolutely no idea what I was talking about, nor what my answer would be when you asked. You were no doubt thinking my answer would be months, not realizing it takes about 6 minutes depending on dealer and number of players to get through a double deck 60% game to the shuffle.

Now you want to make a federal case that I said 2 weeks, when maybe it was 9 or 10 days out of the two weeks. Maybe it was 11 days out of the two weeks.

All you did is prove yet again what a nut you are with this coach belly "gottch ya" shit which I and everyone else saw coming a mile away.

This is why very few people even respond to you. You are a cockroach. Absolutely no value

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

You asked how long it took to track 200 times through a double deck game. I said "two weeks".

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Remember how I taught you and V about the function of the blue arrows? It's a direct link to a post...a quote.

Here is your quoted post...

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Took weeks. probably was suspicious, but so what?

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You didn't write two weeks, you wrote "took weeks".

That can't be a typo because everybody (even Villanova grads) knows how to spell "two"....there's only one "o" and no "k".

And now your story has changed to include the claim that you took 3 hours, on most days, out of your regular rotation, to back-count DD at a sweat joint.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

I was still out every day playing my regular rotation of games. I just made it a point to stop by EC at some point most days

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Keep digging.

Took a couple weeks. What the fuck is your point?

What exactly do you think "took weeks" meant. 10 weeks? 12 weeks? 20 weeks? If that was the case I would have said took months.

I said took weeks. And I don't even know if it took two weeks or maybe 2.5 weeks, or even 3 weeks. I know I would stop at EC most days for an hour or so, maybe 90 minutes. Maybe more if I was going to grab something to eat there. And back then I played 5-6 days a week, so I am guessing I stopped at EC 4-5 days a week, which would have..... taken 2 weeks. :rolleyes:

Fucking troll.

But it really isn't even your fault. It is my fault for engaging with you in any way. Some day I will learn.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

kewlJ has been a whiner, a liar, a hypocrite, and a pain in the ass on many occasions

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

What the fuck is your point?

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My point is that if telling the truth, when examined you need only to cling to the truth, and your story will not change.

But if you are lying, then that will be exposed when your story changes under examination.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

I said "two weeks".

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No you did not say "two weeks"

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Took weeks. probably was suspicious, but so what?

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Here your timeline changes, from "maybe 10 days" to "I don't know"

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

I didn't do it every day, but maybe 10 days.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

I don't even know if it took two weeks or maybe 2.5 weeks, or even 3 weeks..

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The truth does not change. You are obviously lying about all of this.

You are a NUT belly. A real Nut job!

I am more than confident that any normal person, a MrV, mickeycrimm, anyone else outside your little troll club, will see NO inconsistency in what I said, remembering that it is an incident from 7 years ago or more and I am NOT on trial where I need to remember exactly how many days I tracked the tables to get enough information to be comfortable making my accusation.

You are really a loon! and prove it day after day.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

it is an incident from 7 years ago

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Well you brought it up, and then fucked it up.

Now you're speaking for others (just like that Trump fella), but we haven't heard from anyone on this subject that believes your story, and we may not.

And what good will your guarantee be if those 2 don't weigh in on this in your favor?

Either way, it's only a small part of your never-ending stream of bullshit stories.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

we haven't heard from anyone on this subject that believes your story, and we may not.

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Originally Posted by MisterV

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You must be very disappointed since your epiphany.

But don't surrender to your desires regarding tewlj...let the truth set you free.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Took a couple weeks. What the fuck is your point?

What exactly do you think "took weeks" meant. 10 weeks? 12 weeks? 20 weeks? If that was the case I would have said took months.

I said took weeks. And I don't even know if it took two weeks or maybe 2.5 weeks, or even 3 weeks. I know I would stop at EC most days for an hour or so, maybe 90 minutes. Maybe more if I was going to grab something to eat there. And back then I played 5-6 days a week, so I am guessing I stopped at EC 4-5 days a week, which would have..... taken 2 weeks. :rolleyes:

Fucking troll.

But it really isn't even your fault. It is my fault for engaging with you in any way. Some day I will learn.

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Hahahahahahahaha!....caught in a lie yet AGAIN!!

Watching this loser go down time and again is worth the time and price!!!

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

Ooooh I knew something was up because I watched 200 shoes by just standing there then bought a shuffler on ebay (which I immediately sold to someone else) blah blah blah.

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Seriously, you are going to continue to lie about Ebay, when I have told you that you are lying multiple time? Do you need me to prove that you are lying, because I can.

At the time I purchased the machine I purchased, Shufflemaster only leased these machines and only to registered casinos. They would not service or help in any way a machine processed by someone not a casino. And if someone outside a casino possessed a machine it was proof that they had obtained it illegally since only shufflemaster owned the machines. And depending on the countries involved shufflemaster would take whatever legal action necessary to retrieve their machines, of which because they maintained ownership, it was not legally possible for anyone else to own.

This is why players had such a hard time getting these machines and there is no way ebay would be involved in selling one. You should apologize for repeating this lie, but I am quite sure you are not man enough to do so.



I was able to buy a machine on a site far different than ebay. (that is all I am going to say). The machine has actually been in use in a casino in a foreign country not long before I purchased it. Purchasing was only half the problem. It was illegal to have this machine, which could not be owned by anyone other than shufflemaster into the United States at the time I purchased. So we had to work around that too.

And that is precisely why once I had the machines, there was another high end AP willing and wanting to buy it after I had seen what I wanted to see. And why he actually put me in touch with someone that could help me see what I wanted to see. Someone VERY familiar with the machines if you get my drift.

So you see you continuing to repeat this proven lie exposes you for the low life troll that you have become. :cool:

Full disclosure: Since the time I purchased the machine, I believe shufflemaster will now sell machines directly to the public for about $15,000. I haven't looked into that, but you can bet your ass the feature of interest has been stripped out or isn't available in these machines sold to the public.

But you continue to lie and troll and do what you gotta do, Mr haven't drank in 2 weeks.

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If I was to bother to go back and see what you said - how would it change the outcome? You would continue to ignore it. It is possible I have ebay wrong but pretty sure I'm right about 15 mins. Maybe it was 2 hours. Whatever. Everyone knows it is all
concocted fantasy outside of likely some playing of bj. Who knows maybe you dom count and win but there are layers of proven lies.

Glad to have told you I was having a double at a bar while flaming you. Gave you something to gain mileage off.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

The documented facts about UNKewlJ include that she is a compulsive liar, hypocrite, self loathing bigot, male prostitute and is Pac Islander looking.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

kewlJ is actually the biggest bigot on VCT.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

kewlJ has been a whiner, a liar, a hypocrite, and a pain in the ass on many occasions

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

The entire forum knows you have an issue with pathological lying.

you can't help but insert fibs into your postings

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Why are you still here?

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This retard is a closeted homosexual.