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02-14-2019, 05:34 AM
mickeycrimm

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Hotel Lobby....
02-14-2019, 05:38 AM
mickeycrimm

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The Room....
02-14-2019, 05:42 AM
mickeycrimm

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No vulturables in the joint but UX's. But I got outhouse lucky. It more than paid for the trip.

PS: I finally solved the problem of the flash being in the pictures when I take a computer pic. I just had to turn the flash off. Dumbass me.
02-14-2019, 06:19 PM
The Boz

Thanks for the pics as always. Shows playing with an advantage pays off in the long run every time. You have jackasses who don’t understand math who would say playing 2 2X’s isn’t worth it. And would only use your pic to say you “Got Lucky”.
03-23-2019, 05:46 PM
mickeycrimm

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Mole Lake, Wisconsin
05-08-2019, 08:21 PM
mickeycrimm

About a month ago I left my windows phone laying on a machine. When I snapped to it I went back and it was gone. No one turned it into security. I had been wanting to upgrade to an iphone for quite awhile so went out and bought an iphone7+. I'm glad I lost the windows phone. Google Maps works like a champ on the iphone but like shit on the windows phone. And my other apps work much better on iphone too.

But anyways I lost my backlog of casino photos so until I replace them I will have to put other stuff up for now.
05-08-2019, 08:38 PM
mickeycrimm

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These mountains are an old lava field from millions of years ago that can be seen from a turnout on I-15 in north central Montana. In the upper center you can see the Hardy Bridge where it crosses the Missouri River on old Hwy. 91.
05-08-2019, 08:54 PM
mickeycrimm

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Here are some closeups of the Hardy Bridge:
05-08-2019, 08:57 PM
mickeycrimm

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05-08-2019, 09:13 PM
mickeycrimm

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05-08-2019, 09:30 PM
mickeycrimm

And here is where you've seen the Hardy Bridge before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COU-0Oe1nNY
05-10-2019, 01:51 AM
RisingDough

Untouchables! Great movie. Thanks for posting Mickey! We spend too much time inside of casinos it's nice to see some of our planet's beauty!
06-05-2019, 03:09 PM
mickeycrimm

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Nice first day back at work. Found the 10X wide open on 14. Made 162 spins, cost $210.
06-22-2019, 12:06 PM
PIGGY BANKER

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Well your picture at least tells us you are a better dresser than Singer the Hobo

;)
06-22-2019, 04:54 PM
mickeycrimm

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I recently took a Yellowstone vacation. I got pics and video which I've already put up on Twitter.

Yellowstone River
06-22-2019, 06:34 PM
PIGGY BANKER

Really nice, but it's no Colorado River in Laughlin
Those were fun times in the late 90's down on the river in southern Nevada
07-24-2019, 04:05 AM
mickeycrimm

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Michigan City, Indiana
07-24-2019, 05:59 AM
PIGGY BANKER

Is this as far east as you go?
08-16-2021, 05:25 PM
mickeycrimm

The Case of the Purloined Penis

https://twitter.com/i/status/1426303514670682112
08-21-2021, 04:50 AM
mickeycrimm

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Cherokee Casino
Roland, Oklahoma
On I-40 just west of Fort Smith, Arkansas
08-28-2021, 07:18 AM
mickeycrimm

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Indigo Sky Casino & Resort
Wyandotte, OK

Just across the state line from Seneca, Missouri and 20 miles south of Joplin, Missouri
08-29-2021, 05:54 PM
mickeycrimm

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All on the same machine. And I ran good too.
$200 in
$1331 out
Accumulated credits but at that casino any cashout at $1200 or higher is a hand pay.
08-29-2021, 06:33 PM
The Boz

Thanks for posting Mickey. I’ve found multiple opportunities on that game in my travels. Since it’s usually on multi gaming machines, people miss it.

Good to see and hear you are out enjoying your travels.
08-30-2021, 10:19 AM
smurgerburger

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Originally Posted by The Boz

Thanks for posting Mickey. I’ve found multiple opportunities on that game in my travels. Since it’s usually on multi gaming machines, people miss it.

Good to see and hear you are out enjoying your travels.

Do you know which of the progressives are capable of hitting early? I played the bottom once and my friend played the middle once and both went to the top.
08-31-2021, 12:35 AM
Rounder

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Originally Posted by The Boz

Thanks for posting Mickey. I’ve found multiple opportunities on that game in my travels. Since it’s usually on multi gaming machines, people miss it.

Good to see and hear you are out enjoying your travels.

Do you know which of the progressives are capable of hitting early? I played the bottom once and my friend played the middle once and both went to the top.

I've played progs on this a bunch, They barely ever hit early and it's very near the top when they do, at least in my experience in my market.
08-31-2021, 01:14 AM
mcap

I’ve seen them all hit early, only the top once. But they all go all the way more often than not, bottom one hits early most frequently.

I just play it once a certain % of the coin in would be returned in jackpots with the assumption it goes all the way to the top. Crazy amount of return of game is between jackpots and bonus in comparison to other mhb that are biased to deep end, base game is just trash.
09-01-2021, 04:46 AM
mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by The Boz

Thanks for posting Mickey. I’ve found multiple opportunities on that game in my travels. Since it’s usually on multi gaming machines, people miss it.

Good to see and hear you are out enjoying your travels.

Hey, Boz. Yep, having fun moseying around the country and visiting the casinos. Thats what retirees do, right? LOL!
09-01-2021, 04:53 AM
mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by The Boz

Thanks for posting Mickey. I’ve found multiple opportunities on that game in my travels. Since it’s usually on multi gaming machines, people miss it.

Good to see and hear you are out enjoying your travels.

Do you know which of the progressives are capable of hitting early? I played the bottom once and my friend played the middle once and both went to the top.

The strategy is to figure it will go to the top. So you need close numbers. It takes 300 spins for the bottom meter to go from reset to the top. The freq. of hitting it early is probably about the same. If you pick the play up with less than 100 spins to go you don't have much chance of hitting it early.
09-01-2021, 05:00 AM
mickeycrimm

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Shoshone Rose Casino
Ethete, Wyoming
09-07-2021, 04:20 AM
mickeycrimm

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Shooting Star Casino & Resort
Mahnomen, Minnesota
09-08-2021, 03:58 PM
mickeycrimm

About 20 years ago a hustler I knew in Laughlin told me he heard there was a dollar bank of linked Flush Attack at Shooting Star in Mahnomen, Minnesota. So he drove all the way up and sure enough the bank was there and getting action. He sat down in the seat and was waiting for the plops to make the flushes to turn the Flush Attack light on when he got a tap on the shoulder from a security guard that said "This ain't Laughlin. If you are going to sit there you have to play."

I told Hawaiian Derek, a Laughlin Flush Attacker about the bank. There weren't any dollar banks left in Nevada. So Derek goes up there and stays for several months. He came back to Nevada when they unlinked them.

So when Paladin got kicked off of vpFREE and started his own forum, Arci came on Paladin's forum and asked if anyone knew anything about unlinked Flush Attack. He had found the that dollar bank in Minnesota. I told him to give me the payscale and count how many flushes he had to make per cycle. It was the 8/5 version on a 4 flush cycle. A 102.8% game. And by sweeping thru the machines regularly you pick up all the five coin flushes made by the plops. It shortens the flush cycle on average to about 3. And that means you are playing at 105% plus whatever the card gets you. If Arci did things correctly, which I suspect he did, he made a mint.
09-08-2021, 04:54 PM
tableplay

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

About 20 years ago a hustler I knew in Laughlin told me he heard there was a dollar bank of linked Flush Attack at Shooting Star in Mahnomen, Minnesota. So he drove all the way up and sure enough the bank was there and getting action. He sat down in the seat and was waiting for the plops to make the flushes to turn the Flush Attack light on when he got a tap on the shoulder from a security guard that said "This ain't Laughlin. If you are going to sit there you have to play."

I told Hawaiian Derek, a Laughlin Flush Attacker about the bank. There weren't any dollar banks left in Nevada. So Derek goes up there and stays for several months. He came back to Nevada when they unlinked them.

So when Paladin got kicked off of vpFREE and started his own forum, Arci came on Paladin's forum and asked if anyone knew anything about unlinked Flush Attack. He had found the that dollar bank in Minnesota. I told him to give me the payscale and count how many flushes he had to make per cycle. It was the 8/5 version on a 4 flush cycle. A 102.8% game. And by sweeping thru the machines regularly you pick up all the five coin flushes made by the plops. It shortens the flush cycle on average to about 3. And that means you are playing at 105% plus whatever the card gets you. If Arci did things correctly, which I suspect he did, he made a mint.

I suppose for those that found the unlinked version, there was no heat about rapidity of play as there was with the linked version. Between that and full pay OEJ, Arci did well for himself. Great story and road pics.
09-09-2021, 12:41 AM
mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

About 20 years ago a hustler I knew in Laughlin told me he heard there was a dollar bank of linked Flush Attack at Shooting Star in Mahnomen, Minnesota. So he drove all the way up and sure enough the bank was there and getting action. He sat down in the seat and was waiting for the plops to make the flushes to turn the Flush Attack light on when he got a tap on the shoulder from a security guard that said "This ain't Laughlin. If you are going to sit there you have to play."

I told Hawaiian Derek, a Laughlin Flush Attacker about the bank. There weren't any dollar banks left in Nevada. So Derek goes up there and stays for several months. He came back to Nevada when they unlinked them.

So when Paladin got kicked off of vpFREE and started his own forum, Arci came on Paladin's forum and asked if anyone knew anything about unlinked Flush Attack. He had found the that dollar bank in Minnesota. I told him to give me the payscale and count how many flushes he had to make per cycle. It was the 8/5 version on a 4 flush cycle. A 102.8% game. And by sweeping thru the machines regularly you pick up all the five coin flushes made by the plops. It shortens the flush cycle on average to about 3. And that means you are playing at 105% plus whatever the card gets you. If Arci did things correctly, which I suspect he did, he made a mint.

I suppose for those that found the unlinked version, there was no heat about rapidity of play as there was with the linked version. Between that and full pay OEJ, Arci did well for himself. Great story and road pics.

I started out on the quarter linked Flush Attacks in early 1997. It was a huge edge, 35%, on a small wager because you only played when the flush attack light on. Consequently, no comps and you had to watch out for heat.

I switched to the unlinked Flush Attack in Northern Nevada in 1998. Running about a 5K wager a day I got plenty of room and meal comp.
09-09-2021, 07:12 AM
tableplay

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

About 20 years ago a hustler I knew in Laughlin told me he heard there was a dollar bank of linked Flush Attack at Shooting Star in Mahnomen, Minnesota. So he drove all the way up and sure enough the bank was there and getting action. He sat down in the seat and was waiting for the plops to make the flushes to turn the Flush Attack light on when he got a tap on the shoulder from a security guard that said "This ain't Laughlin. If you are going to sit there you have to play."

I told Hawaiian Derek, a Laughlin Flush Attacker about the bank. There weren't any dollar banks left in Nevada. So Derek goes up there and stays for several months. He came back to Nevada when they unlinked them.

So when Paladin got kicked off of vpFREE and started his own forum, Arci came on Paladin's forum and asked if anyone knew anything about unlinked Flush Attack. He had found the that dollar bank in Minnesota. I told him to give me the payscale and count how many flushes he had to make per cycle. It was the 8/5 version on a 4 flush cycle. A 102.8% game. And by sweeping thru the machines regularly you pick up all the five coin flushes made by the plops. It shortens the flush cycle on average to about 3. And that means you are playing at 105% plus whatever the card gets you. If Arci did things correctly, which I suspect he did, he made a mint.

I suppose for those that found the unlinked version, there was no heat about rapidity of play as there was with the linked version. Between that and full pay OEJ, Arci did well for himself. Great story and road pics.

I started out on the quarter linked Flush Attacks in early 1997. It was a huge edge, 35%, on a small wager because you only played when the flush attack light on. Consequently, no comps and you had to watch out for heat.

I switched to the unlinked Flush Attack in Northern Nevada in 1998. Running about a 5K wager a day I got plenty of room and meal comp.

Mickey, it sounds like Sigma put out the linked version first and then the unlinked. Or perhaps they hit the floor at the same time, but the linked was just more common. Definitely a VHOF (Vulturing Hall of Fame) game if there ever was one.
a few VHOF games:
Draw 'til U win
Flush Attack
Piggy Bankin'
09-09-2021, 12:36 PM
Ozzy

If you guys want to read some old school VCT comedy at its finest, go to page 2 through till page 8 of this thread ! If you want to save a couple minutes only read HOF Mickey posts and of course HOF Singer posts, hard to beat this shit until Rob gets booted out of the thread LOL :). Biloxi Bill RIP has a couple of great zingers as well. I challenge anyone to find 7 better consecutive pages !
09-09-2021, 01:04 PM
Ozzy

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Originally Posted by Ozzy

If you guys want to read some old school VCT comedy at its finest, go to page 2 through till page 8 of this thread ! If you want to save a couple minutes only read HOF Mickey posts and of course HOF Singer posts, hard to beat this shit until Rob gets booted out of the thread LOL :). Biloxi Bill RIP has a couple of great zingers as well. I challenge anyone to find 7 better consecutive pages !

On the opposite party pooper spectrum reading that stretch of 7 pages, I realized Quahaug the most lackluster no namer with over 1000 posts, was happy that the class clown was taken out of that amazing stretch of thread. BOOO ! Quahaug is the no name equivalent of Dieter before becoming a Rusty dictator.
09-10-2021, 08:21 AM
tunicadave

Mickey
I just want to say thanks for these pictures and stories. My plans were to be a road warrior as well but covid ruined that. I did get out for a month this spring after my 2nd shot but the delta sent me back home. Now they have effective treatments and i will be hitting the road in 2 weeks or so. I am primarily a BJ player but I have a few slot plays and VP is my weakness. I have great respect for your knowledge and road experience. Enjoyed your visit with GWAE. Hope I run into you on the road. I should be in Ok in early Nov.
09-10-2021, 08:54 AM
Ozzy

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Mickey
I just want to say thanks for these pictures and stories. My plans were to be a road warrior as well but covid ruined that. I did get out for a month this spring after my 2nd shot but the delta sent me back home. Now they have effective treatments and i will be hitting the road in 2 weeks or so. I am primarily a BJ player but I have a few slot plays and VP is my weakness. I have great respect for your knowledge and road experience. Enjoyed your visit with GWAE. Hope I run into you on the road. I should be in Ok in early Nov.

Very interesting timing Tunica Dave welcome.
09-10-2021, 04:05 PM
mickeycrimm

If you have been watching the view count this thread has a much wider audience than just the regular posters here. It should not be ruined by gratuitous trolling by those with axes to grind. Druff made it specifically known that he didnt want any trolling in this thread. There are other threads for that. I'm suspending my activity in this thread until further notice.
09-19-2021, 06:53 PM
mickeycrimm

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North Star Mohican Casino Resort
Bowler, Wisconsin
09-20-2021, 03:21 AM
tunicadave

Mickey
Are you seeing 9/6 JOB at these "out of the way" casinos?
09-20-2021, 05:48 AM
mickeycrimm

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Mickey
Are you seeing 9/6 JOB at these "out of the way" casinos?

The VP sucks in most places. But I'm not really looking for video poker plays. I like touring the country and seeing the sights....and I throw in a little slot AP. However, I did see a bank of $1 9/6 Jacks at Kewadin/Soult. Ste. Marie, Michigan. Soaring Eagle had a bar in the back with $1 9/6 and NSUD when I was there a couple of years ago.
09-20-2021, 04:47 PM
tunicadave

Thats funny. Soaring Eagle (Flying Chicken) was my home casino years ago. I finally got smart and moved south away from the winters.
09-20-2021, 08:27 PM
cyberbabble

Mickey -

Why no California trips?
They have lots of casinos and nice scenery.
09-21-2021, 05:55 AM
mickeycrimm

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Mickey -

Why no California trips?
They have lots of casinos and nice scenery.

Yes, I need to put Cali on my agenda. Maybe next year.
09-24-2021, 01:54 AM
Dan Druff

I have decided to give mickeycrimm a say in who gets banned from this thread, since tihs is his display of road trip pics, and he has a right to do it without being trolled.

If you find yourself removed from this thread, that's why. I will only refuse thread ban requests if I don't detect any form of trolling from that user.
09-24-2021, 04:28 AM
mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by tunicadave

Mickey
Are you seeing 9/6 JOB at these "out of the way" casinos?

The VP sucks in most places. But I'm not really looking for video poker plays. I like touring the country and seeing the sights....and I throw in a little slot AP. However, I did see a bank of $1 9/6 Jacks at Kewadin/Soult. Ste. Marie, Michigan. Soaring Eagle had a bar in the back with $1 9/6 and NSUD when I was there a couple of years ago.

Also, Indigo Sky Casino & Resort at Wyandotte, OK (just south of Joplin, MO has 9/6 Jacks with .25% royal meter and .25% straight flush meter. Choctaw Casino & Resort in Pocola, OK (just west of Fort Smith, AR) has 9/6 Jacks and NSUD with a .5% royal meter.
09-24-2021, 05:46 AM
tunicadave

Thanks Mickey. I'm about 10 days and 1 booster shot from hitting the road again.
09-28-2021, 05:16 AM
mickeycrimm

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Spent a night at the new hotel at Ho-Chunk Casino & Resort
Black River Falls, Wisconsin
Forgot to get outside pics but the room was nice
09-28-2021, 05:22 AM
The Boz

That is near the Dells, correct Mick?

Somewhere I wanted to visit years ago. Seemed like a tacky tourist area with the quirky kind of attractions we enjoy.
09-28-2021, 08:46 AM
mcap

Would not recommend the Dells to visit as a tourist unless have younger children and want to let them run off their energy in water parks
09-28-2021, 08:59 AM
kewlJ

Mickey, question for you. Have you noticed any repercussions, as to any casino being able to identify you because of these postings? I assume you probably are not posting in real times, but with some sort of delay to the visits.
09-28-2021, 11:12 AM
accountinquestion

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Mickey, question for you. Have you noticed any repercussions, as to any casino being able to identify you because of these postings? I assume you probably are not posting in real times, but with some sort of delay to the visits.

He plays slots bro. Why do you think any casino would care to ever hunt him down? Sit back and think about what would be required for this to happen and what is gained by it happening.
09-28-2021, 07:01 PM
jbjb

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Mickey, question for you. Have you noticed any repercussions, as to any casino being able to identify you because of these postings? I assume you probably are not posting in real times, but with some sort of delay to the visits.

He plays slots bro. Why do you think any casino would care to ever hunt him down? Sit back and think about what would be required for this to happen and what is gained by it happening.

If you think AP slotters aren't being 86'ed, you're wrong.
09-28-2021, 07:16 PM
smurgerburger

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Mickey, question for you. Have you noticed any repercussions, as to any casino being able to identify you because of these postings? I assume you probably are not posting in real times, but with some sort of delay to the visits.

He plays slots bro. Why do you think any casino would care to ever hunt him down? Sit back and think about what would be required for this to happen and what is gained by it happening.

If you think AP slotters aren't being 86'ed, you're wrong.

They're not hunting them down using clues from the internet.
09-28-2021, 07:52 PM
jbjb

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He plays slots bro. Why do you think any casino would care to ever hunt him down? Sit back and think about what would be required for this to happen and what is gained by it happening.

If you think AP slotters aren't being 86'ed, you're wrong.

They're not hunting them down using clues from the internet.

That's not true either. I know a bunch of supervisors, slots and tables, that read these forums.
09-28-2021, 07:55 PM
smurgerburger

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Originally Posted by jbjb

If you think AP slotters aren't being 86'ed, you're wrong.

They're not hunting them down using clues from the internet.

That's not true either. I know a bunch of supervisors, slots and tables, that read these forums.

And you know they are using them to identify specific slot hustlers in their casinos in the manner KewlJ was suggesting?
09-28-2021, 08:56 PM
kewlJ

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They're not hunting them down using clues from the internet.

That's not true either. I know a bunch of supervisors, slots and tables, that read these forums.

And you know they are using them to identify specific slot hustlers in their casinos in the manner KewlJ was suggesting?

Why does everything have to turn into such a battle on these forums? It was an innocents question directed at mickeycrimm.

While I am have never been more than a very part-time AP as far as machines, supplementing my blackjack income and play and that has shrunk to almost nothing right now, it is fact that in the last 5-7 years casinos have become more aggressive towards identifying and stopping machine type AP's. For me personally, it has been very minor, with just a couple casinos stopping mailer offers. It used to be this kind of actions were reserved for us blackjack AP's, but now machine players are very much in the same boat.

Now, I am not suggesting that any of the casinos mickey has posted pictures at have people on staff devoted to scanning these forums trying to identify AP's. Most looks like relatively small places. But guess who does have people on staff, scanning social media and forums? The databases, like OSN. That is who I would be and am concerned about. They make it their business to do just what I said and them run back to the casinos and feed them a bunch of BS about how machine AP's (or any AP's) are hurting their bottom line and how the OSN or other companies can protect them. And guess what all or most of these places mickey has posted about are Indian Casinos and subscribe to OSN, which initially was an Indian Casino sharing Network before expanding to mainstream.

Mickey's posting could have almost been a road map to identifying him if he had done so in real time or close to real time. I am quite sure mickey is way too smart to have done that, taking the appropriate precautions and time delays, but I just asked if he has noticed any heat or issues that could have arisen from this? Everything doesn't have to be a battle-royal.
09-29-2021, 01:22 AM
accountinquestion

A roadmap yes but that would mean multiple casinos opening up their records and there being a way to query them and such. It shows a naivitity about how the world works but I suppose if you haven't had many real jobs and been a pro gambler then perhaps.... if Micky was running some big money scam but hes literally doing what most of their customers do. I mean lots of reasons to not say where you are... but thinking that a casino gonna track down someone who plays slots.. a little too cloak n dagger.. basically does kewlj exist more in real life or more in rob singers head?
09-29-2021, 01:30 AM
mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by The Boz

That is near the Dells, correct Mick?

Somewhere I wanted to visit years ago. Seemed like a tacky tourist area with the quirky kind of attractions we enjoy.

There are several Ho-Chunk casinos. The two biggest are at Wisconsin Dells and Madison. But they also have casinos at Nekoosa, Wittenberg and Black River Falls. On this past trip I stayed at the new casino hotel in Black River Falls.

The Ho-Chunk casinos currently suck for machine plays. That hasn't always been the case.
09-29-2021, 01:44 AM
mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Mickey, question for you. Have you noticed any repercussions, as to any casino being able to identify you because of these postings? I assume you probably are not posting in real times, but with some sort of delay to the visits.

I never post a pic of anything until I've cleared the area. Most of what I do these days is at Indian casinos. I got back on the road around the country about 4 years ago, except with time out for the heart attack and pandemic. So far I've experienced no heat and really don't see anyone else getting heat. I just don't see casino personnel sweating the exploitable machines.

There is really very little contact with casino personnel. I don't necessarily get the players card in every spot. Waiting for a good promotion to get the card can be the better move. And I use the cash out kiosks as much as possible.

But there ARE spots where I get room and meal comp and I haven't experienced any heat in those either.
09-29-2021, 06:59 AM
smurgerburger

To the best of my knowledge slot heat is either 0 or 100.

Either they simply don't care and possibly don't know (surveillance I mean, slot personnel must know), or they bar on sight.

MGM in LV reportedly has done it for a while now. Some Reno and one Wendover casino started doing it more recently but I'm not sure if that was temporary or a new standing policy.

I know of a South Point barring by someone who should have reasonable comportment but I never heard the specific circumstances.

I've never heard of it anywhere outside NV but I'm sure it happens. Of course getting barred for bad behavior toward patrons or staff, or for too large a cumulative win, can happen anywhere.
09-29-2021, 02:57 PM
DGenBen

Machine pros are taking equity that was built up by previous players, slots still hold whatever % they are programmed to hold so casinos bottom lines not affected like w table games so not a concern for most casinos.

From what I’ve seen, they only ever get heat when they do something stupid like trying to con ploppies off positive games, or being too obvious & annoying to other players when checking machines, etc.
09-29-2021, 05:10 PM
mcap

I have to imagine Tasha would get banned if she was a slot hustler for being REALLY annoying.
09-29-2021, 06:32 PM
jbjb

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Originally Posted by DGenBen

Machine pros are taking equity that was built up by previous players, slots still hold whatever % they are programmed to hold so casinos bottom lines not affected like w table games so not a concern for most casinos.

The ploppies spend the money back into the machine. The AP walks away with it.
09-29-2021, 07:01 PM
smurgerburger

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Originally Posted by DGenBen

Machine pros are taking equity that was built up by previous players, slots still hold whatever % they are programmed to hold so casinos bottom lines not affected like w table games so not a concern for most casinos.

From what I’ve seen, they only ever get heat when they do something stupid like trying to con ploppies off positive games, or being too obvious & annoying to other players when checking machines, etc.

The better way to think of it is handle versus hold.

The casino should expect to hold the same % of the handle no matter what the mix of players, but slot hustlers lower the handle by leaving the machine in bad states rather than random states for the recreational players.

Or as a hypothetical, consider a casino filled with nothing but non-degenerate slot hustlers. Nothing would ever get played. Handle would drop to zero.
09-29-2021, 11:59 PM
DGenBen

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Machine pros are taking equity that was built up by previous players, slots still hold whatever % they are programmed to hold so casinos bottom lines not affected like w table games so not a concern for most casinos.

From what I’ve seen, they only ever get heat when they do something stupid like trying to con ploppies off positive games, or being too obvious & annoying to other players when checking machines, etc.

The better way to think of it is handle versus hold.

The casino should expect to hold the same % of the handle no matter what the mix of players, but slot hustlers lower the handle by leaving the machine in bad states rather than random states for the recreational players.

Or as a hypothetical, consider a casino filled with nothing but non-degenerate slot hustlers. Nothing would ever get played. Handle would drop to zero.

A valid point but I was speaking to the fact that in general they don’t get a lot of heat bcuz in reality they are only a very small percentage of any casinos customers so not going to have a noticeable effect on the handle, and the casino has a lot more low hanging fruit to go after especially since slots are so profitable overall for casinos
09-30-2021, 02:59 AM
DGenBen

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Machine pros are taking equity that was built up by previous players, slots still hold whatever % they are programmed to hold so casinos bottom lines not affected like w table games so not a concern for most casinos.

The ploppies spend the money back into the machine. The AP walks away with it.

True in theory and oftentimes in reality but not consistently & very hard to quantify.

Many popplies will quit after they are ahead or have a big win. Many slot APs are Degens and will gamble back their winnings.

Even when slot APs are not Degens if they are playing volatile high coin in games they will have plenty of losing days or longer losing periods.

Would be tough for a casino to quantify exactly who is losing money back and who is walking away a winner consistently except over a very long period of time. (And is it worth casinos time to try to figure this out when penny slots are the most popular machines and average RTP on those is in the 80s?)

And smart slot APs especially if they are killing a place will move around to other places, play unrated, etc. whatever it takes to not make it too obvious & burn a good spot.
09-30-2021, 07:37 AM
AxelWolf

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I suppose for those that found the unlinked version, there was no heat about rapidity of play as there was with the linked version. Between that and full pay OEJ, Arci did well for himself. Great story and road pics.

I started out on the quarter linked Flush Attacks in early 1997. It was a huge edge, 35%, on a small wager because you only played when the flush attack light on. Consequently, no comps and you had to watch out for heat.

I switched to the unlinked Flush Attack in Northern Nevada in 1998. Running about a 5K wager a day I got plenty of room and meal comp.

Mickey, it sounds like Sigma put out the linked version first and then the unlinked. Or perhaps they hit the floor at the same time, but the linked was just more common. Definitely a VHOF (Vulturing Hall of Fame) game if there ever was one.
a few VHOF games:
Draw 'til U win
Flush Attack
Piggy Bankin'

At first, they were all linked and were doing well popping up at many locations. In the meantime, they came out with House-A-Rockin(Full house bonus 4/5 FH's to active a 200 coin bonus ) and Max Attack(4 of a kind bonus: 1 4ok to activate a 625 coin bonus) both in the 135% range during bonus mode, but they were not as popular.

Eventually, even some of the regular players including little old ladies would wait whenever they got a 4 card or pat flush. I'm sure you can only imagine the complaints from the people who just wanted to play straight through... especially if you consider the fact that they knew they were feeding everyone else. It's actually the first time I heard the term vulture used, it was a customer complaining about someone sitting there being a vulture. Sandbagger was another one a customer used. Sigma made it so u had to complete the current hand before you were eligible, but That just made it better for the faster more accurate video poker players. The first place I can remember them going to individual non-linked machines was at Boulder and the trend seemed to take off after that in many locations. That didn't seem to last too long, I don't think the customers actually like that, most of them truly liked the fact that other people were contributing sent it would come on much quicker and they would never know when it was going to come on. There were still quite a few linked Banks, I don't think any of the locations in Laughlin ever went individual, but I could be wrong about that.

4 of my girlfriends all become efficient flush attacks players, two of them weren't even 21 yet. I also hired 2 young chicks that did well. They were super fun to be around, but they were distracting and a big pain in the ass to deal with. I eventually had to cut them loose since I didn't really have the time to continue with them as there were far better things I didn't see them fitting into, and by that time there were not many banks left.
09-30-2021, 01:49 PM
tableplay

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I started out on the quarter linked Flush Attacks in early 1997. It was a huge edge, 35%, on a small wager because you only played when the flush attack light on. Consequently, no comps and you had to watch out for heat.

I switched to the unlinked Flush Attack in Northern Nevada in 1998. Running about a 5K wager a day I got plenty of room and meal comp.

Mickey, it sounds like Sigma put out the linked version first and then the unlinked. Or perhaps they hit the floor at the same time, but the linked was just more common. Definitely a VHOF (Vulturing Hall of Fame) game if there ever was one.
a few VHOF games:
Draw 'til U win
Flush Attack
Piggy Bankin'

At first, they were all linked and were doing well popping up at many locations. In the meantime, they came out with House-A-Rockin(Full house bonus 4/5 FH's to active a 200 coin bonus ) and Max Attack(4 of a kind bonus: 1 4ok to activate a 625 coin bonus) both in the 135% range during bonus mode, but they were not as popular.

Eventually, even some of the regular players including little old ladies would wait whenever they got a 4 card or pat flush. I'm sure you can only imagine the complaints from the people who just wanted to play straight through... especially if you consider the fact that they knew they were feeding everyone else. It's actually the first time I heard the term vulture used, it was a customer complaining about someone sitting there being a vulture. Sandbagger was another one a customer used. Sigma made it so u had to complete the current hand before you were eligible, but That just made it better for the faster more accurate video poker players. The first place I can remember them going to individual non-linked machines was at Boulder and the trend seemed to take off after that in many locations. That didn't seem to last too long, I don't think the customers actually like that, most of them truly liked the fact that other people were contributing sent it would come on much quicker and they would never know when it was going to come on. There were still quite a few linked Banks, I don't think any of the locations in Laughlin ever went individual, but I could be wrong about that.

4 of my girlfriends all become efficient flush attacks players, two of them weren't even 21 yet. I also hired 2 young chicks that did well. They were super fun to be around, but they were distracting and a big pain in the ass to deal with. I eventually had to cut them loose since I didn't really have the time to continue with them as there were far better things I didn't see them fitting into, and by that time there were not many banks left.

Thanks Axel, great story, and I appreciate hearing about House-A-Rockin and Max Attack - it's fun hearing about these vulturable games of yesteryear.
09-30-2021, 02:48 PM
accountinquestion

The dice games with the MHB remind me of these stories. I was somewhere where the meter was quite high. I don't think edges are near as big or often as the flush attack/piggy bank games described above but it does seem sorta analogous. Ploppy hit the cash out button as soon as I hit the $100 it was clear she was playing for it. I should feel bad but I giggle at my slot sociopathy. You could in theory have 2 independent plays going at once in this manner.

Gets me to thinking which games have a shared MHBs? Anything I've missed.. Seems ripe for creating conflict in the casino, especially if larger MHBs were involved.
09-30-2021, 03:40 PM
DGenBen

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The dice games with the MHB remind me of these stories. I was somewhere where the meter was quite high. I don't think edges are near as big or often as the flush attack/piggy bank games described above but it does seem sorta analogous. Ploppy hit the cash out button as soon as I hit the $100 it was clear she was playing for it. I should feel bad but I giggle at my slot sociopathy. You could in theory have 2 independent plays going at once in this manner.

Gets me to thinking which games have a shared MHBs? Anything I've missed.. Seems ripe for creating conflict in the casino, especially if larger MHBs were involved.

You are right that linked MHBs are a pain.

If a pro is chasing a large MHB they will typically get a team together to lock down all the seats & guarantee they get the progressive when it drops.

Sometimes they will try to lock down all the seats by themselves. Saw a guy once by himself playing all 4 linked machines on a larger MHB.

Can lead to heat and also a lot of stress if someone complains and they have to give up one or more of the seats and then end up missing out on the MHB after being deeply invested into it.
09-30-2021, 03:46 PM
accountinquestion

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The dice games with the MHB remind me of these stories. I was somewhere where the meter was quite high. I don't think edges are near as big or often as the flush attack/piggy bank games described above but it does seem sorta analogous. Ploppy hit the cash out button as soon as I hit the $100 it was clear she was playing for it. I should feel bad but I giggle at my slot sociopathy. You could in theory have 2 independent plays going at once in this manner.

Gets me to thinking which games have a shared MHBs? Anything I've missed.. Seems ripe for creating conflict in the casino, especially if larger MHBs were involved.

You are right that linked MHBs are a pain.

If a pro is chasing a large MHB they will typically get a team together to lock down all the seats & guarantee they get the progressive when it drops.

Sometimes they will try to lock down all the seats by themselves. Saw a guy once by himself playing all 4 linked machines on a larger MHB.

Can lead to heat and also a lot of stress if someone complains and they have to give up one or more of the seats and then end up missing out on the MHB after being deeply invested into it.

I was at a casino and was bsing with a guy I am familiar with. Some big black dude came around with a slot tech demanding he get off the 2 machines (There was bank of 4, with 2 guys playing 2 machines each) The guy playing was bigger but I just sorta ducked out of there meaning to go back and look at the machine. I was too drunk that night and could never locate the machines again. I remember checking they were MHBs and 4 of them linked.. but I never could figure out what the machines were subsequent nights. I remember verifying that the bank of 4 was a MHB machine in some small print on the machine but then could never relocate them. lol. Not that it matters much...
09-30-2021, 06:12 PM
mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by tableplay

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I started out on the quarter linked Flush Attacks in early 1997. It was a huge edge, 35%, on a small wager because you only played when the flush attack light on. Consequently, no comps and you had to watch out for heat.

I switched to the unlinked Flush Attack in Northern Nevada in 1998. Running about a 5K wager a day I got plenty of room and meal comp.

Mickey, it sounds like Sigma put out the linked version first and then the unlinked. Or perhaps they hit the floor at the same time, but the linked was just more common. Definitely a VHOF (Vulturing Hall of Fame) game if there ever was one.
a few VHOF games:
Draw 'til U win
Flush Attack
Piggy Bankin'

At first, they were all linked and were doing well popping up at many locations. In the meantime, they came out with House-A-Rockin(Full house bonus 4/5 FH's to active a 200 coin bonus ) and Max Attack(4 of a kind bonus: 1 4ok to activate a 625 coin bonus) both in the 135% range during bonus mode, but they were not as popular.

Eventually, even some of the regular players including little old ladies would wait whenever they got a 4 card or pat flush. I'm sure you can only imagine the complaints from the people who just wanted to play straight through... especially if you consider the fact that they knew they were feeding everyone else. It's actually the first time I heard the term vulture used, it was a customer complaining about someone sitting there being a vulture. Sandbagger was another one a customer used. Sigma made it so u had to complete the current hand before you were eligible, but That just made it better for the faster more accurate video poker players. The first place I can remember them going to individual non-linked machines was at Boulder and the trend seemed to take off after that in many locations. That didn't seem to last too long, I don't think the customers actually like that, most of them truly liked the fact that other people were contributing sent it would come on much quicker and they would never know when it was going to come on. There were still quite a few linked Banks, I don't think any of the locations in Laughlin ever went individual, but I could be wrong about that.

4 of my girlfriends all become efficient flush attacks players, two of them weren't even 21 yet. I also hired 2 young chicks that did well. They were super fun to be around, but they were distracting and a big pain in the ass to deal with. I eventually had to cut them loose since I didn't really have the time to continue with them as there were far better things I didn't see them fitting into, and by that time there were not many banks left.

They unlinked the 8/5 Flush Attacks at the Pioneer in Laughlin in 1999. So we had a 101.8% game with cashback, comp and promotions. And you could still sweep the bank sometimes. It was the only spot they unlinked them in Laughlin.

Northern Nevada was where all the unlinked Flush Attacks were. At southshore Tahoe the unlinked were at Harrah's, Bill's, Horizon, Caesar's and Lakeside. I could never sweep through all of them in a day. There was also the multitude of big meters running on the video poker games at Harvey's. Harvey's was called the "Meter Capitol of the World." Combined with the advantage slots I did damn good at Tahoe.

The unlinked were also at MGM/Reno, Verdi, Minden, Elko, Wendover. Minden had the unlinked House A Rockin' too.
09-30-2021, 06:24 PM
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10-01-2021, 08:04 PM
AxelWolf

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Mickey, it sounds like Sigma put out the linked version first and then the unlinked. Or perhaps they hit the floor at the same time, but the linked was just more common. Definitely a VHOF (Vulturing Hall of Fame) game if there ever was one.
a few VHOF games:
Draw 'til U win
Flush Attack
Piggy Bankin'

At first, they were all linked and were doing well popping up at many locations. In the meantime, they came out with House-A-Rockin(Full house bonus 4/5 FH's to active a 200 coin bonus ) and Max Attack(4 of a kind bonus: 1 4ok to activate a 625 coin bonus) both in the 135% range during bonus mode, but they were not as popular.

Eventually, even some of the regular players including little old ladies would wait whenever they got a 4 card or pat flush. I'm sure you can only imagine the complaints from the people who just wanted to play straight through... especially if you consider the fact that they knew they were feeding everyone else. It's actually the first time I heard the term vulture used, it was a customer complaining about someone sitting there being a vulture. Sandbagger was another one a customer used. Sigma made it so u had to complete the current hand before you were eligible, but That just made it better for the faster more accurate video poker players. The first place I can remember them going to individual non-linked machines was at Boulder and the trend seemed to take off after that in many locations. That didn't seem to last too long, I don't think the customers actually like that, most of them truly liked the fact that other people were contributing sent it would come on much quicker and they would never know when it was going to come on. There were still quite a few linked Banks, I don't think any of the locations in Laughlin ever went individual, but I could be wrong about that.

4 of my girlfriends all become efficient flush attacks players, two of them weren't even 21 yet. I also hired 2 young chicks that did well. They were super fun to be around, but they were distracting and a big pain in the ass to deal with. I eventually had to cut them loose since I didn't really have the time to continue with them as there were far better things I didn't see them fitting into, and by that time there were not many banks left.

They unlinked the 8/5 Flush Attacks at the Pioneer in Laughlin in 1999. So we had a 101.8% game with cashback, comp and promotions. And you could still sweep the bank sometimes. It was the only spot they unlinked them in Laughlin.

Northern Nevada was where all the unlinked Flush Attacks were. At southshore Tahoe the unlinked were at Harrah's, Bill's, Horizon, Caesar's and Lakeside. I could never sweep through all of them in a day. There was also the multitude of big meters running on the video poker games at Harvey's. Harvey's was called the "Meter Capitol of the World." Combined with the advantage slots I did damn good at Tahoe.

The unlinked were also at MGM/Reno, Verdi, Minden, Elko, Wendover. Minden had the unlinked House A Rockin' too.

Yeah, I totally forgot about the pioneer even having Flush Attacks. They also had a few sigma bingo Poker machines. IIRC Frankie, his mom, and that crew killed the 4 bank of $1 linked at Gold River by locking it up. I was miffed about that since they also had a small bank of .25 within eyeshot of the $1 bank. Granted there wasn't a ton of action, but There was almost no competition either.
Stratosphere had 8/6 FA. Jai Alai and a few of his cronies would attempt to play str8 through in the wee hours of the morning hoping people wouldn't jump in and snap them off. Yeah, good luck with that.

That shit hole western actually had .5 FA at the entrance.

Boston Pizza actually had 2 flush attacks lol.
10-09-2021, 04:58 AM
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10-12-2021, 09:34 PM
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Harris, Michigan

Nice picture of U.P. casino. I haven't been there since a backoff about 20 years ago. The fall colors in the U.P. are at peak now. Mickey, or anyone, stop by the Lake of the Clouds for great view of fall colors.
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