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Apology both unnecessary and also accepted.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Now lets get into this Mdwag/Wizard meeting and challenge or whatever it has morphed into. Did I miss something about this. Darkoz paid the money last week and everything seems to have gone radio silent?
Your the only true 50/50 man on both sites. There are many people that are extremely lopsided on one site or the other ex: OnceDear, MIA Pokergrinder, etc. Then there are many of us with a backbone, who read over there who refuse to post :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJSorry, late to the plate on this one. Working hard these days, putting in long days, playing 'catchup' with EV and trying to make the best of the beautiful weather knowing it will be stifling hot in another month or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Couldn't agree more with this observation from Boz. From his very first post at WoV, I got the feeling that the WoV membership and Mike in particular didn't 'get' or 'appreciate' or 'like' Redietz's humor and posting. And once you get off to that kind of start there, a bias against you kicks in. I didn't say too much at the time, because I myself don't 'get' half of what Redietz says. :rolleyes:
I also get the feeling there is a bit of a bias against other members from this site that have made the crossover in recent months. It is like a strike against you.
I am not going to keep railing against WoV, other than to repeat it is nothing like it used to be. NOT even close. It is all about trolling and game playing, seeing how much you can push the envelope without crossing whatever line. There is basically little difference in this forum, except Shackleford, isn't objective and takes sides and suspends people at a whim, depending on how he feels that day. At least this forum, you know the rules....there are no rules except don't bust on Dan Druff's religion. ;)
Forgot to also agree with this. OD is trying hard to hold things together, I give him credit, but it seems like a lost cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
That is coming to an end. I don't see any point in continuing with what I perceive as an obvious bias against me. And if Mike is reading, this is not me announcing I am withdrawing or whatever that dumb rule is. I reserve the right to change my mind, unless that option is taken from me, but right now I don't see any point in returning. It just is not the forum I was hoping and wanted to get back to. Mfraud and his sockpuppets seems to have taken control and I want no more part of that. And a conscious decision has been made to allow and look the other way about sockpuppets using VPNs. That makes the site a joke. At least here, if you can get Dan's attention about an obvious sock, he will take care of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzy
If lightning strikes in the same spot back to back days and you relinquish your infamous title of 50/50 man, I'm sure MrV will gladly accept the award :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJThat is coming to an end. I don't see any point in continuing with what I perceive as an obvious bias against me. And if Mike is reading, this is not me announcing I am withdrawing or whatever that dumb rule is. I reserve the right to change my mind, unless that option is taken from me, but right now I don't see any point in returning. It just is not the forum I was hoping and wanted to get back to. Mfraud and his sockpuppets seems to have taken control and I want no more part of that. And a conscious decision has been made to allow and look the other way about sockpuppets using VPNs. That makes the site a joke. At least here, if you can get Dan's attention about an obvious sock, he will take care of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzy
I missed this. The thought that they are one and the same has legitimately never occurred to me and I've never had a reason to believe that.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
alan has left WoV, yet again:
"I'll stick to discussions about gaming and casinos, hopefully with others who don't need to discuss sashimi, politics and how big their keystrokes are."
I suspect that AndrewG will ask his employer for more break time at work so he can consult with alan and post more frequently here on alan's behalf.
Hey, what are lackeys for if not to do the heavy lifting?
Oh, BTW, AndrewG: no sashimi for you!
I don't think that Chump Change and Onenickelmiracle are the same Person either ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146I missed this. The thought that they are one and the same has legitimately never occurred to me and I've never had a reason to believe that.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
I've said this before the most frequent sock creators are often the worst sock detectors. But you also might be trolling like you often do. Mission is just being typical Mission.Quote:
Originally Posted by TashaI don't think that Chump Change and Onenickelmiracle are the same Person either ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146I missed this. The thought that they are one and the same has legitimately never occurred to me and I've never had a reason to believe that.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
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Originally Posted by kewlJ
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Originally Posted by MDawgIndecisive?
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Originally Posted by MDawg
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Originally Posted by kewlJ
https://i.imgur.com/qU8WA1St.png
CHECK!
Unable to maintain resolve?
https://i.imgur.com/HipmOsBh.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
https://i.imgur.com/qU8WA1St.png
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REDietz is determined to be a disruptive, unwelcome, presence at WOV.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
MDawg Wins... Wizard Approved.
Sponsored by DarkOz!
Helicopters flying on Mars.
Math Geeks proven Wrong!
AxelWolf still Scamming 2021.
KNIBB HIGH FOOTBALL RULES!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsstzfp6nyo
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Originally Posted by MDawgREDietz is determined to be a disruptive, unwelcome, presence at WOV.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
LOL. Sounds like I lose my decoder ring and fan club bumper sticker.
MDawg, why don't you be a welcome presence and please copy and paste my post over at WoV? I'd appreciate it.
Thanks in advance.
I will post my thoughts here, rather than post in the Mfraud thread which should be placed in a voodoo section or 'labeled' voodoo as it is on other forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Congratulations to Mdawg and I mean that sincerely. He continues to "play" the WoV forum and make a mockery of Shackleford, WoV and math. In this case he took a wager, or contest, that was +EV and won. As it was laid out it had nothing to do with proving or disproving anything about Mdawgs claims, which was the initial objective way back when, when Shackleford was being honest about looking into Mdawgs claims. Not a single person anywhere that Mdawg posts these fantasy claims, believes anything different than they did before this challenge.
Now onto Mike Shackleford. He too grabbed the plus EV and money from this stupid whatever-you-want-to-call-it, contest I guess. I don't blame him for that. But if that is all he is going to post on the subject and not share his impressions of Mdawgs play and his opinion of two plus years of math-defying claims, as per his initial "time to put up or shut up" statement then Shackleford becomes completely complicit in these deceitful, bullshit claims. He should give up his title of Wizard, respected gambling math expert, as he just becomes another forum owner/administrator, embracing voodoo/bullshit claims in exchange for increased traffic at his forum. In other words: Shackleford proving YET AGAIN what a sellout he is for a little bit of money. This idea that he is about helping gamblers and player be better players is and always was a lie! Shame on you Michael Shackleford.
Aren't your Blackjack winnings enough to buy a life by now? Seriously, what did Wizard do wrong here?
We get it. You do not like MDawg's thread. That is not hard to see. You do not believe everything that MDawg posts. I speculate that most people would not profess to believe every word.
Now, please tell me what Forum Rule MDawg's postings have violated. I'm not an Admin and I'll say whatever the hell I want over there, (within the rules) but I'd be a, "Sell-out," too, for $0. Why? Because if I were still an Admin, I can honestly say that I see absolutely no justification to Nuke Mdawg...at least as far as the rules go.
Every single one of your cheating/rigged shuffler posts belong in that same voodoo section.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Wizard has an obligation to honestly share his impression of Mdawgs play and more importantly if there his play could result in these claims as stated for many years now. That is what Mike said he was going to do back in December....sincerely look into it. At the time he said he would be able to determine fairly quickly whether Mdawgs play was anything but a longterm losing strategy. I want to hold him to that, instead of now being complicit in Mdawgs scam like he has become.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
What rule has Mdawg broke? Creating sock puppets in an attempt to create fals credibility for one, which IS a bann-able offense. But I am not calling for him to be banned. Just allow people to repeated to repeatedly call his bullshit what it is...bullshit, voodoo, nonsense, fantasy, FICTION (which I was suspended for saying). And I say repeatedly, because Mdawg repeatedly makes these claims on a daily basis, multiple times a day, so they should be called out repeatedly, multiple times a day.
And don't tell me about my life, you fucking TARD! My like is that of an advantage player, and I and other legitimate advantage players have a right to call out gambling bullshit claims.
Darkoz appears to have directly asked Wizard for his opinion as to whether or not MDawg's style of play, by itself, is sufficient to make Baccarat a positive expectation endeavor. I can already tell you that the answer will be either, "No," or, "Not without something else going on," something along those lines. That's a pretty simple question to answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Okay, and I take it you presume that an Admin, or Wizard himself (since he seems to be your only target) has absolute proof that MDawg has created socks and is taking no action? You must presume that, because if you do not presume that, then your answer is not satisfactory as to what rule violation has taken place.
I don't see anything that says nobody can go in there and, as many times as they wish, state that Baccarat is a negative expectation game that cannot be beaten by a betting system in and of itself. I've said that many times in that thread. You'll forgive me for having other things to do with my time such that I do not do this every four minutes. It takes me longer to have a smoke than that, for one thing, and I do not smoke indoors (casinos aside).
Other advantage players tend to be less obsessive about forum drama, from what I can tell. It doesn't concern me that you have called me a, "Tard," because not only do you not believe that, but even if you did, I'm not certain that I would care.
Ok, I said I would address this the other day when I was out and decided not to because I didn't want to keep this going and drag other people into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbEvery single one of your cheating/rigged shuffler posts belong in that same voodoo section.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
But you are just a flat out liar! I suspect you know the truth and just don't want it shared, because you take advantage of it at times. If that is the case you can be critical of discussions about it, but don't flat out lie.
You know it is true because you know players taking advantage of it, if you are not. I passed the ASM I acquired (at my cost) on to of the top and most respected table game players in the world , so talk to him. And I know he uses this technique when he can find the right situation because contacted me and advised me of just such a situation at a chain casino, up in the northern part of the Vegas valley that he had been playing, but said he was pulling out to travel somewhere else. Turns out he had played it to the max. Just as my brother and I stared playing we were 86ed. Great guy sharing a played out play. ;) But that is ok.
If you really don't believe (which I don't think is the case), you may also want to talk to Bob Nersesian. I have had several conversations with Bob about this topic as have others. Bob knows it is real, but keeps telling everyone it would be near impossible to win a legal case proving it. Damages would be hard to prove and such a case would get WAY bogged down in the math, basically losing the jury's interest. Anyone who inquires, he will tell, best case scenario would be to bring action with NGC, but that is not going to result in any damages or even admission of guilt. Best case is a slap on the wrist fine and NGC telling the industry they can't use those machines. Pretty much the Mindplay result. And of course AP's playing this angle when they come across it don't want that.
I am a little different because there is a principal involved for me. You don't do whatever you can to stop the casino industry in this case, then next time and there will be a next time with some new technology that allows them to grab a bigger advantage that should be allowed, and they do it. Until you stop them, they will keep grabbing more and more.
But I am overruled. No one else wants to get involved, so it will just stay status quo. The industry fleecing unsuspecting ploppies and non-AP's with a higher advantage from non random shuffle, while a few AP's take advantage of it and try to keep it quiet. Don't bother denying and I am not going to keep responding. No reason to.
How many think the Wizard and the little dog split $1250 each and laughed about fucking DarkOz?
Or MD allowed Wiz to just kept the entire $2500 for allowing him to continue the fantasy?
What exactly has the Wizard done to show he is trustworthy recently?
This meant far more to MD than anyone else so it’s not far fetched at all and no one can prove it actually happened.
Will the Wizard now change his thoughts on “systems” since he now seems to be advocating this one is legit?
I think these scenarios are very possible, Boz. That is what happens when you do these things in the dark. You open the door to collusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Yeah right...are you ever going to shut up?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
What a fucking tewl.
And by the way, I’m still not sure what DarkOz expected out of this unless there is more going on than publicly known by us.
His money, his choice but $2500 is still $2500 regardless of what one has or is worth. There was no upside in my opinion, even if he trusted Mike. KJ has laid this out for months, obsessively I might say, from the Wizards original statement months ago about proving it. If he feels MD has a system to consistently beat the casinos, he should say it without the details. And if in the unlikely event this happened as listed, he also should say it was luck and no system can beat a negative game...unless he believes the guy has found a way to beat the math.
In the end to most of us the Wiz comes out looking worse than MD and I’ll admit I didn’t think that was possible.
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Originally Posted by Mission146
Frankly, Mission, none of my posts break any rules, either, but Shackleford keep vetoing them. Take that last post. It's in the voodoo systems section, along with MDawg. Anybody can claim anything there. There's nothing inherently more insane about praying to deities for results than relying on paranormal abilities for results. If anything, more people should agree with the former.
As far as the rules go, there's no justification to nuke MDawg. No justification to suspend me, either.
But that's not really what this is about. You know that. I know that. KewlJ knows that.
It's about why a high profile website manager, who has spent more than a decade promoting his math-based website and alleged math/gambling skills, has decided to allow nonsensical fantasy reports to become the flagship for his site. That's what has happened. Shackleford has not only allowed it; he's actively defended it.
Shackleford has gone bottom up regarding the perspective the site had championed for a decade or more. In addition, he's allowing socks/cheerleaders/fan club aficionados all over the place, constantly, repetitively.
That is what WoV has become. It's a joke.
First, good for darkoz! That is what this was supposed to all be about!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
There is one interesting thing from Mdawgs write up. First I will conced that I may have been wrong jumping on the Axelwolf bandwagon that Mdawgs high end play and hotel suites and all were fantasy. I initially though he was a high end losing player, a rich brat with money that likes to gamble and gets comped accordingly. Nothing wrong with that. I went with Axelwolfs theories because he is usually right about these things. If Axel has anymore info to add, I would like to hear. But all the winning was the bullshit. Mdawg is a losing player, that is why he gets comped as he does.
So there was a mention in Mdawgs write up that was interesting, stemming from when Wizard and Mdawg were cuddling in the suite together. ;). The mention was of "concessions" that Mdawg has negotiated from the casinos. We are talking about loss rebate here and again this is something that was thrown in at the last minute a week ago, after Mdawg FINALLY experienced a loss. Never before in the years long history was there mention of a loss rebate and last year when I finally had the change to engage Mdawg, one of my very first questions was as to whether he was doing something that make his play +EV and he has repeatedly said no. So he was either lying then or is lying now. You can't change the story in the final chapter. :cool:
And about any loss rebate: A loss rebate would not change the fact that all that winning every session for months and years is bullshit. Doesn't work that way. That is just a part of the puzzle that he introduced and changed last second, but still don't fit.
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Originally Posted by coach bellyYeah right...are you ever going to shut up?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
What a fucking tewl.
Coach, did you ever find out what MDawg did with the 180 million in bitcoin? Did you ask him? Doesn't he want to tell you?
We do know he lost $29 million since the peak on the original amount, but we can also rest assured he was trading more daily and made millions more no matter what way it moves. Just like his stock trades, he can’t lose!Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyYeah right...are you ever going to shut up?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
What a fucking tewl.
Coach, did you ever find out what MDawg did with the 180 million in bitcoin? Did you ask him? Doesn't he want to tell you?
Don’t believe me? Just ask him.
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/1fb30d4...b-6c3c814e140d
I did ask MDawg about the bitcoin. It was not 180 million.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
That figure was concocted by a hater who cannot accept
short-term win goals and quitting while ahead.
Your theories are irrelevant.
What more does MDawg have to do?
He got your Blessed Honest Abe Math Genius to witness and confirm the Challenge.
MDawg Won and Mike witnessed and signed that everything MDawg said about the challenge was true.
So now Mike is a Con-Man scamming his members eh?
Thought so... can't wait till you all admit that about AxelWolf.
Next thing you guys will tell me is that they didn't fly helicopters on Mars, the Earth is Flat and the Moon Landing is a Hoax.
They never said the Earth was flat by the way they said it is more like a pancake... not completely flat.
I wouldn't be surprised as everything I've been told from my youth on up has turned out to be a lie.
I have to wait for death to confirm Heaven and Hell but by that time it won't matter.
Personally I like the picture below.
Not that I believe it or that it matters if the Earth is Square, Pancake, Round or Flat.
I just like the picture.
Short term win goals and quitting while ahead are proven voodoo concepts! They canNOT produce longterm winning out comes.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
So you believe a guy can walk into a casino, bet black and win 3 out of 4 (a perfect example of short-term win goals and quitting while ahead) and do that everyday for a year and be ahead at the end of the year? Yes or No coach belly. And don't give me its possible bullshit. Is this a real winning strategy? because that is exactly what we are talking about here and it does not work that way and anyone advocating and supporting that it does is either intentionally lying or an idiot. Which are you?
Good one porkchop. Pass the donuts if you haven't eaten all dozen, please. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Point is now you all are Fucked because if MDawg is scamming so is Mike which means he has always been scamming.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
That's why he had years worth of dealings with StrictlyAP aka WoN.
I'm not mad about it though.
I'm glad that Mike allows anyone to use his free VP Strategy Maker online.
I will probably get viciously insulted about having a developmental disability for posing the question, but is this the time that Kewlj finally actually quits WoV and stays that way?
I’d still need odds to theoretically take that bet, but shorter odds than previous times.
It did mean more to MDawg? I didn't see MDawg paying Wizard to come do anything. Darkoz can speak for himself, but I'd at least hope that something happened behind the scenes that would prove to Darkoz' satisfaction that the meeting and play at least actually took place.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
I'd want proof of at least that much if it was me. On the other hand, while I do sometimes pay money for stupid things, I wouldn't be inclined to purchase that stupid thing specifically.
Rule 19. Other thread. Mention of religion, particularly made worse (as far as the rules go) since it was part of a satire anyway.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Mission146
Frankly, Mission, none of my posts break any rules, either, but Shackleford keep vetoing them. Take that last post. It's in the voodoo systems section, along with MDawg. Anybody can claim anything there. There's nothing inherently more insane about praying to deities for results than relying on paranormal abilities for results. If anything, more people should agree with the former.
As far as the rules go, there's no justification to nuke MDawg. No justification to suspend me, either.
But that's not really what this is about. You know that. I know that. KewlJ knows that.
It's about why a high profile website manager, who has spent more than a decade promoting his math-based website and alleged math/gambling skills, has decided to allow nonsensical fantasy reports to become the flagship for his site. That's what has happened. Shackleford has not only allowed it; he's actively defended it.
Shackleford has gone bottom up regarding the perspective the site had championed for a decade or more. In addition, he's allowing socks/cheerleaders/fan club aficionados all over the place, constantly, repetitively.
That is what WoV has become. It's a joke.
The way I see it, you have two options if you're Wizard AND Wizard actually cares to address your concern:
1.) You no longer allow betting system posts at all.
2.) You do not allow the Betting Systems subsection to appear on Recent Threads.
Those things aside, what the fuck do you want him to do? Here's MDawg----MDawg's reporting his individual daily results that are not mathematically impossible---oh, shit, someone just paid $2,500 and it turns out MDawg is a real person---oh, shit, if Wizard is to be believed, it turns out that at least some of what MDawg is claiming appears to be true---
So, I ask you, other than banning MDawg for literally no reason whatsoever or censoring him even though his posts do not break any rules, what do you propose be done? You guys sure do a lot of, "Wizard this, Wizard that," for people that don't seem to offer any specifics on what alternative actions might be done.
If it's a joke, then it's a joke. Even accepting that as true, (which I don't) who gives a fuck? It's a fucking message board. We're people who don't matter talking about things that don't matter because each and every one of us is at least worthless enough to not have something better that we could be doing with our time. The fact that we have spent so much time having just this line of conversation is incontrovertible evidence of just how little practical value our time has and how little it takes to entertain us. I'm sadly complicit in this.
Irrelevant...the player cannot reach the long term.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
MDawg said that he would play the same as he always does,
and win like he always does, and he just did that with a witness.
You have said countless times that what he just did is not possible,
and you're sure of that because you read it in a book.
Wise up you fucking tewl.
I disagree somewhat with Mission's "waste of time" argument. When I contacted USA Today their first year of publication and spelled out that their two full pages of sports service ads were all hokum, that was a service to them and their readers. They ignored me (for months), but then, when reality came calling, they had to change their policies. Did I waste my time? Yeah, I did, but maybe the fact they had my letters and calls warning them helped them pull the plug a day or a week earlier than they otherwise would have.
Regardless, people with expertise owe it to civilians to call out hokum. To paraphrase Spider-Man, "With great expertise comes great responsibility."
Is it a waste of time? Usually. Should it be done regardless? If someone with expertise doesn't do it, then who will?
And that's why I have issues with Shackleford and WoV. The flagship poster is promulgating hokum just like those two full pages of sports service ads with the 93-8 ATS records. If you have gambling expertise, it's your responsibility to call out the flim-flam.
Anyway, don't mind me. I'm an insufferable prick, and worse than that, I'm projecting. I'm more than a little annoyed with myself that I care enough about this to even have an opinion, much less discuss it.
I put shitstickDawg on IGNORE / blocked the douchebag on both sites, so with my self-imposed blinders on I am pretty much unaware of the recent goings on about the bet with darkoz.
Ah, ignorance IS sometimes blissful ...
Nobody expects you to go against the Wizard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
That Fucker is a small part of your meal ticket.
Never bite the hand that feeds you.
Fuck USA Today, fuck the readers and fuck everything else in that paragraph. Who cares? Every word of it is a waste of time. I still have non-zero involvement for one reason and one reason only: Money. If I already had money, then I'd be long gone by now and I wouldn't even know that this conversation was occurring, much less be participating in it. Even advantage players are wasting their time. None of this has any value beyond money in any meaningful sense---and that's if you're doing it well.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Why should I even care about other people? I do, don't get me wrong, but I don't understand why I should. If they're not smart enough to do the math to determine that systems don't work, or even easier, believe the math that others have provided on the subject---then why should I care what happens to them? I really shouldn't see any of it as my problem. They're making a choice and I had nothing to do with them making it.
Maybe you have expertise. I don't. I don't have any more, "Expertise," than 300-400 level math courses and managing, as if by accident, to actually retain some of the concepts I learned. I wouldn't call that expertise, I'd call it being slightly less of a retard than some number of other people. Of course, I'm more of a retard than most other people in other ways and regarding other subjects.
Anyway, none of it matters. He has a few million reasons not to care. Assuming he got the cha-ching all at once and fulfilled any other associated terms (if any) what comes as a surprise to me is that he has anything to do with any of this. Like I said, a few million bucks and none of you would ever see my fat ass again.
For the record, I don't answer to Wizard. In fact, the only thing that I think he could do is request that something that I write that is intended for WoO be put somewhere else instead. That said, I have a good idea what belongs there and what doesn't, so I'm not likely to submit something that shouldn't be there in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
I accept that but the Wizard is in charge over there and nobody who works for his boss would want to make an enemy of the Wizard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
That's basic 101.
I don't want to make an enemy of the Wizard because I don't have a problem with the Wizard. If I did or said something that got me fired from the writing stuff, I would barely care. Again, "Thanks for the work, thanks for treating me nicely, thanks for not caring about deadlines and I was looking for a job when I found this one."Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Terapined losing his mind lol.
Been there myself.
Happens.
Fuck that RogerKint though.
Biggest Kiss Ass Suck Up I ever seen.
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Originally Posted by Mission146Fuck USA Today, fuck the readers and fuck everything else in that paragraph. Who cares? Every word of it is a waste of time. I still have non-zero involvement for one reason and one reason only: Money. If I already had money, then I'd be long gone by now and I wouldn't even know that this conversation was occurring, much less be participating in it. Even advantage players are wasting their time. None of this has any value beyond money in any meaningful sense---and that's if you're doing it well.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Why should I even care about other people? I do, don't get me wrong, but I don't understand why I should. If they're not smart enough to do the math to determine that systems don't work, or even easier, believe the math that others have provided on the subject---then why should I care what happens to them? I really shouldn't see any of it as my problem. They're making a choice and I had nothing to do with them making it.
Maybe you have expertise. I don't. I don't have any more, "Expertise," than 300-400 level math courses and managing, as if by accident, to actually retain some of the concepts I learned. I wouldn't call that expertise, I'd call it being slightly less of a retard than some number of other people. Of course, I'm more of a retard than most other people in other ways and regarding other subjects.
Anyway, none of it matters. He has a few million reasons not to care. Assuming he got the cha-ching all at once and fulfilled any other associated terms (if any) what comes as a surprise to me is that he has anything to do with any of this. Like I said, a few million bucks and none of you would ever see my fat ass again.
Well, Mission, not much to say then. Spoken like a true capitalist. And, as Boz will tell you, I'm no capitalist. Bit Boz might find this interesting. Not sure he knows this detail or not.
I mentioned this privately to a couple of people in the last decade, so I'll mention it here. Monday Night football makes more money for sports handicappers than any other day. Back when I was involved in 900 lines and profit sharing with Playbook, I never put out a Monday Night play unless I was actually playing it. Well, some seasons I didn't have a Monday Night play until the eighth week or later. That meant anyone profit-sharing with me, which is what most of the 900 lines or online pay-after-you-win setups are, got nada until I put out a Monday Night play AND won the game.
So of course, when Playbook blended with Feist, the profit-sharing setup ended partly because I refused to put out games I didn't bet myself. If people received no income from it, so be it. If I received no income from it, so be it. You compromise or you don't. I did not and do not.
When I'm tempted to kowtow to make a few bucks, I just ask myself, "If I had a week to live, would I really do this for a few bucks?" That always end the debate.
Capitalism is not material to my position. My position is simply that nothing about gambling has any intrinsic value, beyond money, that actually makes our lives better or improves who we are as people. In fact, the only thing that gambling can do, regardless of whether you're on the negative expectation or AP side, is probably make you worse off as a person.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
The only people who REALLY win at gambling are the casual folks who do it once or twice a year, lose a couple hundred, think nothing of it and then spend the remaining 363 days and some hours of the year not thinking about gambling in any way whatsoever.
Gambling is also a capitalistic pursuit in and of itself. At least, I think so. You get money down, right? Without the money, there's not really much of a point in your sports betting other than writing down what you would have done and seeing what your results would have been had you actually done it.
RogerKint the "Thank You" hypocrite. Guy is a complete knob.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Where REDietz shows weakness and muddle, is in his continued inability to accept or comprehend that MDawg's posts at WOV are not meant to be parodic or satiric. They are in fact genuine. And so, he wastes his time writing parody of what is not parody.
And then we have MrV, who is like a watered down version of REDietz, also missing the mark and wasting his time.
To RED’s earlier post, so many thoughts and stories came to mind about the Monday Night stuff with scamdicappers in the old days when they were in their heyday. Still plenty out there on the net but in the days before that they tried to appear legitimate by discussing football on networks like USA, TNN, FNN and more with paid 30 minute ads. And of course the newspaper ads like RED talks about.
And Monday was a huge night for everyone including the books. By books I mean the local guys who you played with on credit. It was often a pain in the ass for them because of how the degenerate sports bettors wagered. When they were down they tried to win it back on Monday with a larger than average wager to avoid having to pay up later in the week. And the saps that had a good or great week were so afraid to give it back, they skipped the game or bet less than normal. So the book was dealing with no getting a chance to get his shot at the winners money and had to deal with guys who were going to get buried more than they could pay and knew he would deal with excuses later why they don’t have the cash. But they would always come up with at least some of it or risk being cut off, and they needed the action. And in those days, in many towns there wasn’t another option or they knew each other and even worked together at times to lay off heavy action on one side or the other.
As for the 900 number game I have a funny story about a degenerate I knew who thought these clowns actually knew anything or had a edge. But he didn’t want to spend $50 on “Lock” or another bogus claim. Anyways he would go into a video store like Blockbuster (remember them) and ask for some movie that was still in the theaters or just out that he knew they didn’t have. Then would say it was for his mother or some excuse and asked to use the phone. Obviously you know the rest and he would be talking to himself waiting for the play. I would imagine the chargebacks in that business were insane as people denied making the call, especially with the losing plays. RED might know more about that than me.
Different time and place, but the idea of scammers claiming the impossible is still front and center. Sometimes the angle is easy to see and other times it’s not as easy. And there will always being people wanting to believe the scam is true, when their mind, education, experiences and simple common sense tells them otherwise.
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Originally Posted by Tasha
What did I tell you? Wizard actually bought the Female Robot Thing at least one "Sexy outfit...." I called this from the getgo as soon as I saw it....
There's no such thing as bad publicity!Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZmQhpJSecE
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Seriously, your need for attention proves you must have the smallest pee pee on the face of the earth and that includes my ferret. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
Fucking KJ, quoting this asshat. So I’ll reply to his quote and say....
I truly hope he finds out.
I’m kind of with RED (believe it or not) he is running a scam to find clients for his stock picks. Hell Soopoo might have already dumped some money to him. DarkOz did for no fucking apparent reason, though again, there may be more going on behind the scenes that we know. Hustle the hustler is a game as old as time.
And it seems like he has made a powerful enemy recently who if he is who I think he may be, it could get ugly for the little dick fucker.
Bernie Madoff, Barry Minkow and many others appears to live a lavish lifestyle as well. Doesn’t make them any less of a criminal. The nice thing is since we don’t know who this character is, we can slander the guy all we want. Only one person sold themselves out for an undisclosed amount to sign a non disclosure agreement with the guy. Which seems more shady by the day. Who requires someone to sign such an agreement when they claim “There is no such thing as bad publicly”?
Just something to think about.
Red seems to know an awful lot about scammers, and letting people know about his contest results/bets after the fact, for someone who “isn’t a scamdicapper.” Not saying, just saying.
Why would an anonymous poster such as DoucheDawg bother to post "There's no such thing as bad publicity!"?
Makes me think he's got something else hidden up his sleeve besides a few cards.
"A sucker is born every minute," or so they say: beware the long con.
So here is something I have noticed a few times now at WoV that I have been thinking about.
Let's say Member xxx posts a comment that is considered a personal attack on Member yyy. So Member xxx is suspended for 7 days. Now several different members, member aaa and member ccc (skipping bbb for obvious reasons) "like" or click "thanks" for the comment. Aren't they essentially agreeing with the same personal attack? ;)
What if I’m the target of the insult and I thank them for it?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
TRIBUTE TO BBB !!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I am asking YOU. Your the former insider there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146What if I’m the target of the insult and I thank them for it?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Seriously though. Let's say Axelwolf says Mdawg is lying. I "thank" the post, which is essentially saying I agree. Mdawg cried to Mike as he always does and Axelwolf gets suspended. technically, shouldn't I get suspended as well?
No, I wouldn’t personally ban someone for hitting the Thank You button.
An argument could be made that they are agreeing with the spirit of the post, but not necessarily supporting the insult itself.
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Originally Posted by mcap
Boz, let me know if you agree with this -- I'd say 90% plus handicappers are scam setups. I think the percentage, say 30 years ago, was higher.
Mcap, I don't know who you are, but the scam possibilities I mentioned here were basic obvious-as-hell stuff. Anyone with some working neurons should have defaulted to those possibilities in 30 seconds. Mendelson has investigated far more sophisticated set-ups than what I was talking about.
The same reward goes for mcap as I offered for the last few years here. Find one post, PM, or email to a forum member where I tried to team up or sell something, you get a free 5K!
Any contest I'm in had publicly posted results. And I'm in the same ones pretty much every season unless I report differently. I never do the "bets after the fact" commentary on this or any other forum. I did quote "Tipsters or Gypsters?" on this forum, and posted actual pages from old issues. That was published annually in Las Vegas with week-to-week updates also publicly available from the author, who was a Seattle Times reporter and was featured in a San Fran Chronicle bio. The Wise Guys has been ongoing for 30 years and games are public every week. I'm in the Heritage contest every year and the Northbet. This past year, I entered Gaming Today to get on Rob's nerves (and since it was the final year), and I entered the NFL ATS contest at Youwager because I liked the 2020 format, which allowed you to skip weeks and take anywhere from none to five games each week. Normally, I don't enter NFL-only contests. So I finished tied for second in Youwager out of 275 or thereabouts. And I finished in the top 10 (out of tens of thousands) in Gaming Today, which was a no-spread contest where you pick every non-Thursday NFL.
It ain't bragging if you did it. And it sure ain't scamming. But thanks for asking.
That is complete bullshit!!!! I didn’t say always posting winners after the fact. Just “I had this” or that talking about completed games. Many times at WoV. You’re a liar!!!!Quote:
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Originally Posted by mcap
. I never do the "bets after the fact" commentary on this or any other forum. g.
Think about it KJ if this was the case Mission would get martingaled into oblivion ! Rusty's unbiased martingale ROFLMFAO !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI am asking YOU. Your the former insider there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146What if I’m the target of the insult and I thank them for it?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Seriously though. Let's say Axelwolf says Mdawg is lying. I "thank" the post, which is essentially saying I agree. Mdawg cried to Mike as he always does and Axelwolf gets suspended. technically, shouldn't I get suspended as well?
Here's the game plan:
Those who have nothing better to do (apparently, many) will keep devoting day and night to posts about MDawg.
Those who have something better to do, will go about their own business.
And UNKewlJ, the
will crawl back to WOV later this week notwithstanding with a muzzle on his uncontrollably yapping mouthQuote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
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preventing him from uttering a word about MDawg, and will confine his posts to the fact that he ended last year in the red and then gave up, which tells me and everyone else that he must have lost many years in a row, until he finally felt compelled to 'fess up about the latest losses. As many have said, there is just no way this indecisive weak willed Impulse Control Disorder type could possibly be successful at anything.
If anything important were on the line, the UNKewl is the LAST person in which anyone with any sense would put his faith.
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Originally Posted by MDawg
Excellent point Mdouche. Might I remind everyone of your itinerary from a random day earlier in your trip. These are the times of your posts. Please tell us some more about someone devoting day and night to posting, 40 some times in 17 hours. Please tell us some more about having no life, you fool.
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Originally Posted by kewlJ
Yes you can find quotes from a handful of detractors that don't like me and post negative things like BoSox. I could do that with you too, although as it is way more than a handful, it is everyone but your sockpuppets and coach belly. So reposting from your detractors would become a fulltime job. ;)
And yes I am muzzled at WoV. Excellent word and thanks for bringing it up. You are unable to defend your actions and answer any challenges legitimately, so you go crying, like the little bitch that you are, to management begging to have someone silenced. And that is all anyone needs to know.
Even Rob Singer is laughing at you, Mdick and that just about says it all! ;) You have taken "stooge" to a new level.
I doubt those numbers are correct. But if they are, you - once again - spent quite a bit of time. On me.
And...The difference is, I talk about me.
You also, talk about me.
Except of course, where you are prohibited.
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Sheep sometimes need to be muzzled from their incessant bleating. But how many sheep are stupid enough to put a muzzle on themselves? :eek:
Again, most revealing. Do you understand the word 'Narcissist'?Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
You are the 16 year old boy craving attention, who just shot up a shopping mall, marveling at himself as he sits in prison for the rest of his life. "They are all talking about me. I showed them".
Reveling in attention you get from people who think you are an idiot, liar and world's biggest troll, only highlights your insecurities.
I'm making the groundbreaking novel suggestion that you (all) move on, and stop talking about me. But you (all) can't!
Except of course where you (not all, just you UNKewl) have been forced. :D
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Why does this perv keep posting pictures of his girlfriend, wife or live-in prostitute (whatever she is) with a mussel on? Must be a California thing. Can anyone explain?Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
The butthurt donkey meme Donald Trumps the muzzled sheep. You gotta do better then that, good effort though :)
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Originally Posted by kewlJWhy does this perv keep posting pictures of his girlfriend, wife or live-in prostitute (whatever she is) with a mussel on? Must be a California thing. Can anyone explain?Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
Uncalled for bullshit KJ.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...sJLMToDd3ezhIg
Dawg is a troll, Dawg is a troll. Polly wants a cracker. Narcissist, narcissist.
I will try. Among mollusks, I prefer oysters and clams.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
And if you're asking if mollusks have brains, yes they do - unlike you.
P.U.
I can't see him (blocked) but I can sure smell him.
KJ, can do us a favor and when you reply to the pencil dick not quote him?Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
And yes V, I definitely smell someone selling shit.
Mike is easily duped, he isn’t math smart. Not at all street smart. Dickdawg is a piece of shit who brags and wants to be admired, using things like the winners bag. One of the more likely scenarios is he I either selling something or, he works for a whale and just uses all of that persons stuff. Either way he is a giant turd. Highly doubtful he has a law degree unless it’s from university of PhoenixQuote:
Originally Posted by The BozKJ, can do us a favor and when you reply to the pencil dick not quote him?Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
And yes V, I definitely smell someone selling shit.
Redietz,
Sorry, but I am abdicating what you seem to believe is my responsibility and am done with this guy:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb...25/#post804320
So, if you don't see me offering much aside from one or two lines of general rebuttal in his system threads, that's why. He's a waste of my time.
Mission, you know you were arguing with a sock puppet of Mdouche right? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
There is some good that can come from the arguments you made with this sockpuppet dickwad yesterday and that is that someone coming along later and reading may benefit from your reasonable and math backed positions.