Arcimede$ IRS Transcripts

I noticed a strange thing about coach. Fifty things get said about Rob, and coach sticks to the details of Rob's taxes, which to me are beside the point. Coach has never chimed in as to why he's interested in all this. Coach has never really mentioned or discussed Rob's video poker play. And yet, I have to think that to an outsider, whether Rob wins or loses due to Rob's strategies would be crucial. I mean, we're talking about revolutionary concepts and canon-challenging ideas here. But coach never touches on any of it. He sticks to Rob's taxes, even though coach is admittedly a machine player. I think that it's what a person doesn't say that reveals the most. So let me ask coach directly

1) Do you think Rob has won lifetime at video poker?
2) Do you think Rob's strategies are why he has won?
3) Do you think Rob's non-math approved methodology has some merit, some hidden alternative math?

redietz may I take a stab at what you said?

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Originally Posted by redietz

I mean, we're talking about revolutionary concepts and canon-challenging ideas here.

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Yes, we are talking about some revolutionary concepts and canon-challenging ideas here, but in reality, how often are they used? Even Rob says his "special plays" are used 5% of the time. Yet, what have we seen here with his jackpot photos? Not one of them illustrated a special play and even in the Triple Double Bonus jackpot he held the kicker VIOLATING one of his own special plays. And when I brought it up he said he DOES NOT stick to his special plays when CONVENTIONAL strategy will work.

As I wrote before, his SPECIAL PLAYS were his brand -- and they set him apart -- but everyone thinks they were used exclusively when they were not. And as Rob said they were used maybe 5% of the time.

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Originally Posted by redietz

1) Do you think Rob has won lifetime at video poker?
2) Do you think Rob's strategies are why he has won?
3) Do you think Rob's non-math approved methodology has some merit, some hidden alternative math?

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1. Lifetime at video poker? I don't know. I don't know what he lost before he had his run of $100,000/year wins. redietz you told us you were a lifetime winner at video poker, yet, in another thread on this forum you wrote about how one year you lost playing 25-cent deuces wild. Maybe Rob is an overall loser -- but what's more important is did he find a way to win and can the rest of us use that methodology to also win?

2. I think when Rob won he won because his strategies did work. Now the question is how much of it was special plays and how much of it was conventional strategy. I just got through writing about the small amount of time he actually used special plays. Tell me, redietz, what percentage of the time are you thinking Rob uses special plays? His other strategy is quitting when ahead. Tell me, honestly, what's wrong with quitting when ahead? Hello????

3. Again when you discussed "non math approved methodology" how often do you think it is used? Look, if I'm playing 8/5 Bonus strictly by conventional strategy I will lose because the math says so. Perhaps Rob is right -- perhaps you need to throw in a special play once in a while to beat the math just a little to turn a negative expectation game into a positive one.

I think the BIG thing his critics missed or overlooked was Rob's own words when he said he uses "special plays" 5% of the time. And I see nothing wrong with his strategy of quitting when ahead. If you always quit when ahead you will never lose... will you?

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Originally Posted by redietz

Fifty things get said about Rob, and coach sticks to the details of Rob's taxes

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Hey...you're the one who brought up the taxes again...that topic was over.

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Originally Posted by redietz

I actually thought Rob had won what he claimed in the years he claimed, but I'm now getting the sense that he may not have or, alternatively, he may have won it, then lost it in the years following, which would explain his reticence to share recent tax returns.

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I poke holes in your fantasies and you wanna make it about me?

You guys use the word "if" too much.

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Originally Posted by redietz

Coach has never chimed in as to why he's interested in all this...even though coach is admittedly a machine player.

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A machine player?...yes, I slow-play bartop VP when there is a band playing at my favorite AC watering hole,
the Eden Lounge at Harrah's.

I'm primarily a card player, I never touched a machine until AC added bartop machines a few years back.

Since CET added the tier bonuses, I like the idea of making a run at 7-stars at minimal "theoretical" risk.

Sounds like VP is the way to go, I'm willing to play at the higher denominations, so I'm interested in strategies for that.

I heard Rob Singer's name from some regular VP players, I googled his name and ended up here.

What's your deal? You just claimed to be 99% sports betting...why do you care about Rob Singer?

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Originally Posted by redietz

let me ask coach directly

1) Do you think Rob has won lifetime at video poker?
2) Do you think Rob's strategies are why he has won?
3) Do you think Rob's non-math approved methodology has some merit, some hidden alternative math?

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I'm with Alan...I don't know the answer to #1, so that makes #2 moot, and explain what "non-math approved" or "alternative math" mean and I'll try to tackle #3.

We were close to finding out at least some truth about Singer's claims, but arci blew it, with encouragement from the rest of you biased boneheads....except regnis.

This was so easy, and you were all being difficult....it was like you didn't want to see Rob's tax returns.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

I'm with Alan...I don't know the answer to #1, so that makes #2 moot, and explain what "non-math approved" or "alternative math" mean and I'll try to tackle #3.

We were close to finding out at least some truth about Singer's claims, but arci blew it, with encouragement from the rest of you biased boneheads....except regnis.

This was so easy, and you were all being difficult....it was like you didn't want to see Rob's tax returns.

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Robs been totally and forever busted. Move on coachrob.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

but arci blew it, with encouragement from the rest of you biased boneheads....except regnis.

This was so easy, and you were all being difficult....it was like you didn't want to see Rob's tax returns.

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Arci didn't blow it. There was no way Rob was going to send me his tax returns. So just drop it and I've known it all along. When you can build snowmen, snow forts, and have a snowball fight and ski at the intersection of Las Vegas Blvd and Flamingo at 2pm on the 4th of July that's when Rob will send me his tax returns.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

There was no way Rob was going to send me his tax returns. So just drop it and I've known it all along

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You know it because?...you say so?...couldn't happen?...never?...no way?...is that right?

Just like the mathletes know that no way anybody rolled 18 yo's in a row?

Coach Rob has said things to me. After digesting what he said I don't think he will reveal his tax returns. I say this because Rob is worried the numbers will be misunderstood. I can't say more than that.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

I've known it all along.

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You knew it all along?...well then that makes you a sandbagger...right?

Wow...so much for that reputation beyond reproach.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

You knew it all along?...well then that makes you a sandbagger...right?

Wow...so much for that reputation beyond reproach.

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It's because he knows Rob.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

You knew it all along?...well then that makes you a sandbagger...right?

Wow...so much for that reputation beyond reproach.

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No, I knew Rob wouldn't submit his tax returns but I allowed for the "challenge" to take place. I accepted Arc's transcripts and reported and left it up to Rob to decide. He didn't send them in, did he? Did I tell him not to? No I didn't. I'm just telling you -- I knew he wouldn't and when he told me certain things it was clear to me that he wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

When you can build snowmen, snow forts, and have a snowball fight and ski at the intersection of Las Vegas Blvd and Flamingo at 2pm on the 4th of July that's when Rob will send me his tax returns.

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Alan, considering some of the spectacular shows Vegas has to offer and the deep pools of resources available to casino companies, I wouldn't completely write off the possibility of this visual conception. :D

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

I know his plays. Nearly all of his plays are conventional video poker plays. His "special plays" are few. Even that play where he had three queens and three to the royal, he said he faced that situation only twice in his life. And of those two times, he took his shot at it ONCE.

While his "trademark" is his special plays he plays like the rest of us play.

When I shot that series of interviews in my room at Caesars, Rob first met me and Jason downstairs in the high limit room where I was playing double double bonus VP. Rob sat next to me and watched me play and offered his advice -- except he didn't have to EXCEPT on one hold. I was dealt a high card with three low cards to a straight flush. He said, "aren't you going for the straight flush? That's the correct hold." Well, I just held the high card. Indeed three to the straight flush was the correct CONVENTIONAL play and that's what Rob was suggesting.

There were no "special plays" tips given to me -- and he watched me for awhile.

Because he TALKS about the special plays doesn't mean that's ALWAYS how he plays.

He's also had a bad rap for "quitting when ahead." Frankly, except for the APs of the world, it seems like everybody in a casino tries to quit when ahead. As I've said before I regret that many times I didn't quit when ahead.

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I know the feeling! What I was referring to was the gist of one of his strategies like artt-the number of credits played per game, when to switch machines,,examples of possible hot and cold cycles, when a win goal is reached, etc. As you say, special plays are just part of the strategies. You seem to have a knack of explaining things, and your comments would have been a key to fully grasping his thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Count Room

Alan, considering some of the spectacular shows Vegas has to offer and the deep pools of resources available to casino companies, I wouldn't completely write off the possibility of this visual conception. :D

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It's funny... but after I wrote it I considered pitching this as a promotion to one of my clients in Vegas.

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Originally Posted by slingshot

I know the feeling! What I was referring to was the gist of one of his strategies like artt-the number of credits played per game, when to switch machines,,examples of possible hot and cold cycles, when a win goal is reached, etc. As you say, special plays are just part of the strategies. You seem to have a knack of explaining things, and your comments would have been a key to fully grasping his thoughts.

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Sling my friend, I have to admit something to you: I haven't got a clue WTF you're talking about. There, I said it.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Sling my friend, I have to admit something to you: I haven't got a clue WTF you're talking about. There, I said it.

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My point, exactly.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

I'm with Alan...I don't know the answer to #1, so that makes #2 moot, and explain what "non-math approved" or "alternative math" mean and I'll try to tackle #3.
We were close to finding out at least some truth about Singer's claims, but arci blew it, with encouragement from the rest of you biased boneheads....except regnis.
This was so easy, and you were all being difficult....it was like you didn't want to see Rob's tax returns.

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I told you he would never provide his returns. All you had to do was listen instead of constantly mouthing off. I think most of us know who the "bonehead" is.

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Originally Posted by arcimede$

I told you he would never provide his returns. All you had to do was listen instead of constantly mouthing off. I think most of us know who the "bonehead" is.

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You wanna come back at me...you phony AP mope?

Only an insecure mathlete would show his tax returns to prove that he had won $1 per hour.

Now go get your shine box jerkoff.