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Is there any evidence that could be presented on this forum that would convince youQuote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
that MDawg's check shown to the Wizard represents only his table game winnings,
and the amount does not include any cash buy-ins at the tables?
LOL. When I get my check with the "Man Whoring Earnings" notation, I'll hire coach belly to ask if there is any evidence that would convince the world I didn't earn it Man-Whoring.
You know, coach used a pretty common anti-debunking argument in the above post. By asking the question, "Is there any evidence that would convince?" when of course there isn't, the person asked the question is forced to reply "No." Then the person replying "No" is framed as unreasonable and impervious to argument, which of course is a crock.
I'm going to whip up a "Man-Whoring Earnings" check and run a parallel argument to coach's nonsense. Nobody is going to provide evidence I didn't earn my "Man-Whoring" notation, so if you don't believe it, you are being unreasonable and impervious to evidence.
Yes. A statement from the casino.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyIs there any evidence that could be presented on this forum that would convince youQuote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
that MDawg's check shown to the Wizard represents only his table game winnings,
and the amount does not include any cash buy-ins at the tables?
There are no Nevada gaming regulations that support your claim. But if the casino says that's how they do it then that's how they do it.
It appears no one on this forum believes that's how they issue checks.
Provide the name of the casino. I'll call them.
Thanks for the correction. Perhaps I should not have generalized, though it does contribute to my point that bet amount is irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyI'm not sure that is accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
There are several images of W2Gs available to view using google,
including the following...
Anyway, bad assumption on my part. Every W-2G that I recall getting had a spot for bet amount.
It's not clear to me what you mean by "how they issue checks".Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
Do you mean issued with the verified win notation on the check,
or issued only for table game wins and not including cash buy-ins?
As far as which casino to call, my understanding is that very few offer midi-Baccarat,
so that narrows it down quite a bit.
But I can't provide the name of the casino right now,
perhaps when the trip is concluded the location will be revealed.
When was the last time you got anything right, you fucking ditz ?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
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Originally Posted by AndrewG
In the "Type of Wager" box, a denomination is usually listed. Probably where the confusion lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146Thanks for the correction. Perhaps I should not have generalized, though it does contribute to my point that bet amount is irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyI'm not sure that is accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
There are several images of W2Gs available to view using google,
including the following...
Anyway, bad assumption on my part. Every W-2G that I recall getting had a spot for bet amount.
Do they list the denomination, or the amount of the bet?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
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Originally Posted by Mission146
I've never seen an accurate "bet amount". It's usually just the smallest denomination on said machine. I think mainly they put $0.25.
Its irrelevant what denomination is listed. Why bother with this trivia.
It`s very relevant to "Coach" Sandusky, er I mean Belly....This fucktard has nothing better to do for hours on end than to sit here and ask his dumb fucking questionsQuote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
I guess because it proves my statement wrong, which I believe I've already acknowledged. So, now the question is, "How wrong?"Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
Beginning to doubt my recollection, (since I do not have any W-2G's this year, no forms are in my wallet, which is where they'd usually be until the end of the year) I did a Google Search for, "W-2G Form," and found that most do not list a separate line item for wager amount, though some do have such a line item. Therefore, I was mostly wrong, but probably right about at least one of the ones that I've received.
Mission you were not wrong. The side issue of the wager amount on the W2G is irrelevant. You had the correct Information.
And yes, sometimes the wager amount appears and sometimes it doesn't. Dont get sucked in to some stupid, irrelevant side issue discussion aimed to derail the discussion.
I appreciate it, AndrewG, but being provably wrong in any aspect is still less than ideal.
You derailed a table games check discussion by bringing up 7-11s and slot jackpots.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
You clearly do not understand what money laundering is if you think
that accepting a check in your real name can't qualify as money laundering.
Google money laundering in casinos and get a clue.
Then go load up your favorite VP machine with a couple thousand in cash,
cash out the credits, present the ticket at the cage, and ask for payment with a check.
Report back what happens.
I did not really read what you guys are arguing about or why checks were brought up. There are various ways to get a check from the casinos when winning, losing, or breaking even. I can think of 3 ways off the top of my head. I was receiving so many checks from a casino that after about 4 months(that took 4 months), management finally called me up and asked me to come in and explain why I was requesting so many checks before they would issue my pending request, I was upfront with them. The guy said, "no problem, but can you keep it to x amount per month, it causes lots of extra work for the financial department". Apparently, It doesn't even have to be a good reason just a logical explanation. The guy didn't seem to be worried about money laundering, he was more worried I may have been doing something funny with the checks after I got them, however, he admitted that didn't make any sense to him either since all the checks that had been cashed were as they should have been.
I called the cage at one casino today and asked them about their check policy on table games.
SURPRISE. The cage CONFIRMED what Messrs Mdawg and Belly have been saying: that a check will be issued only for verified table game PROFITS.
I had a lengthy discussion with all sorts of scenarios and they said you need a PROFIT to get a check even if you bought in, for example, with $50k and were cashing out $25k.
BUT they also said they do make exceptions for frequent players.
This is also their policy, they said. Other casinos may operate differently.
Perhaps by coincidence I called the same casino where Mr Mdawg plays. Or, other casinos might also have this policy.
Too bad Mr Wizard didnt see the actual check instead of a copy.
Whatever check you are referring to, did it say exactly what the check was issued for? Without that, it's meaningless.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
Casinos have lots of policies, rules, and regulations they don't follow, but it's not like they are going to admit such things based on a phone call.
The scenarios I discussed -- and at great lengths -- were about getting a check when cashing in chips from table games.
If you had a profit you could get a check.
No profit you get cash.
They also said they'd make exceptions to that policy for regular players. They also said they usually dont give checks for less than five thousand.
This is really the key to this whole thing and certainly what we are talking abiut here with a guy who claims he has been a hotel guest for weeks and months. No reason to discuss any further. And by the way, "regular players" is a pretty low bar. I would think most of us here probably qualify as "regular players" at a number of places.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
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Originally Posted by AndrewG
Well, that's as expected. Actually pretty forthright of this particular casino. Maybe they knew the questioner's AKA.
So, to sum up, which is what I could have told you:
No law. Not even a regulation. This is what we in something of the know call a "policy." LOL.
So the policy will, of course, vary by casino and vary by who you are and what you've done for them lately or how nicely you ask.
This dovetails a bit with what I mentioned vis-a-vis sports gambling. Namely, I never had an issue getting a check (with or without notation) if I asked nicely or I was on good terms. And, as I said, I was turned down recently when I asked for a check for around 10K because (1) it was a piddling amount and (2) I was persona non grata to the person I asked. The 5K amount AndrewG mentioned seems about right all around -- for table games and sports. It's a pain in the ass in general for them to write a check, and it's frowned upon. They'd rather, of course, that you parade around with the cash on hand for obvious reasons.
Can't wait for coach to try to explain that a policy is a law. Coach has an odd proclivity -- he treats math as though it's malleable and circumvent-able (not sure that's a word). He treats what he's personally experienced in casinos, however, as some kind of natural immutable law that can't be bent or circumvented. He acts as if what happens to him, how casinos treat him, is what happens to everyone. It's very odd. He disrespects math and over-respects his own experiences.
You go to 1 casino you're well known, 2 you're not and start investigating. Not everything is on the internet easily accessible by Google Alan. They do not have these things in writing because they do not want to make it easy for people laundering money to work the system. They're not even supposed to answer your questions directly.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewGPost your link that backs up the claim that you cant get a check for anything but profits.Quote:
Originally Posted by theywontpayontuesdayIt's federal laws, guidelines and policies idjit.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
You are stepping out of your area of expertise and knowledge. If the policy doesn't fly by the feds, they can get spanked. Feds set the policies for big cash businesses like these.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by AndrewG
Well, that's as expected. Actually pretty forthright of this particular casino. Maybe they knew the questioner's AKA.
So, to sum up, which is what I could have told you:
No law. Not even a regulation. This is what we in something of the know call a "policy." LOL.
So the policy will, of course, vary by casino and vary by who you are and what you've done for them lately or how nicely you ask.
This dovetails a bit with what I mentioned vis-a-vis sports gambling. Namely, I never had an issue getting a check (with or without notation) if I asked nicely or I was on good terms. And, as I said, I was turned down recently when I asked for a check for around 10K because (1) it was a piddling amount and (2) I was persona non grata to the person I asked. The 5K amount AndrewG mentioned seems about right all around -- for table games and sports. It's a pain in the ass in general for them to write a check, and it's frowned upon. They'd rather, of course, that you parade around with the cash on hand for obvious reasons.
Can't wait for coach to try to explain that a policy is a law. Coach has an odd proclivity -- he treats math as though it's malleable and circumvent-able (not sure that's a word). He treats what he's personally experienced in casinos, however, as some kind of natural immutable law that can't be bent or circumvented. He acts as if what happens to him, how casinos treat him, is what happens to everyone. It's very odd. He disrespects math and over-respects his own experiences.
Well, it's officially been two years since I was permanantly banned from WOV for what I thought would be a ONE month Suspension. I got way more than I bargained for....
Maybe we will get lucky and you will get banned here. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
Hmm. I noticed you have made Multiple "Jokes" about wanting me banned from here. Look really carefully at my signature....Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenMaybe we will get lucky and you will get banned here. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
If you had so many socks, why did you give up?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenMaybe we will get lucky and you will get banned here. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
Oh. You're still there.
Time flies when you've been shunned, I mean when you're having fun.
Actually, all my Socks on WOV are all banned.... If you are referring to Maxpen, he doesn't have any Socks....Quote:
Originally Posted by theywontpayontuesdayIf you had so many socks, why did you give up?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenMaybe we will get lucky and you will get banned here. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
Oh. You're still there.
Of course he doesn't; true AP's don't need em, don't want em and don't wear em.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha9
It's part of the training they received at Hogwarts.
Dang. If Wizard let KewlJ back, he should let you too. There must be a way. They shouldn't let you stay there hanging. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TashaActually, all my Socks on WOV are all banned.... If you are referring to Maxpen, he doesn't have any Socks....Quote:
Originally Posted by theywontpayontuesdayIf you had so many socks, why did you give up?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
Oh. You're still there.
Is Maxpen your internet bf? Sounds like you two cyber and are in the midst of a spat.
To The People wondering if Marcusclark on WOV is Mdawg, I don't think he is Mdawg.... I have a VERY strong suspicion that Marcusclark on WOV is that Wynnpleasure IDIOT who was Trolling VCT hard before Dan had enough of this IDIOT'S Trolling and kicked him out for good.
This post could either go in the Adventures Of Mdawg Thread or here, but I'll choose to put it here. It doesn't sit well with me at all that Wizard chose to hide Adventures Of Mdawg Thread on WOV during Mdawg's Suspension, especially since Mdawg has absolutely no say in his Thread being suddenly hidden. It reminds me of when my Nathan's Corner was suddenly hidden without warning when I was still an Active Member on WOV and Posters rallied to get it reinstated back to the "Normal Threads." This is REALLY shitty, hiding his Adventures Thread just like that. Do you hear me, SHITTY.....
That's just YOUR opinion, which matters to the Wiz about as much as a queef in a hurricane ...
Me, I'm glad the Wiz has muzzled douchedawg; maybe now he'll find another forum to shit all over and try to destroy.
This is why you’re still a troll. You just posted this in slightly different words in another thread less than 24 hours ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
Not trying to Troll. Just reiterating how SHITTY hiding someone's thread is when they are SUSPENDED. Hey, Wizard, since we know you read this Forum, what you did is SHITTY....Quote:
Originally Posted by mcapThis is why you’re still a troll. You just posted this in slightly different words in another thread less than 24 hours ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
Not shitty at all.
A command decision, and long overdue.
Douchedawg is toxic to WOV.
WOV tried Utopia and they became corrupt. People should not post there any way, they are enemies to AP. I would not trust any of them farther than you can throw them and they do tend to be on the heavy side.
WOV isn't even close to the enemies of AP, it's but a tiny speck. Have you seen Twitter and various other social group platforms? I noticed the lockdown caused a tremendous amount of information sharing spreading like wildfire and an explosion in the number of people flocking to all areas of Advantage-Play once only card counters and poker players they are now getting into the slots, promos, and the mail game. I estimate the number of seriouse Advange Players in the last 2 years has increased by 6 times. I'm not just talking about machine bonus hustlers, I'm talking about people that do some real financial damage to the casinos.Quote:
Originally Posted by theywontpayontuesday
That's really interesting. For sports betting, there's been a dramatic increase in number of players, fueled by internet accounts in those states with sports betting. Unlike machine or table play newcomers, however, this will have the overall effect of making life easier. You'll get big numbers of people who THINK they know what they're doing when they don't (the alleged "sharps" -- LOL) and huge numbers of recreational players. Nothing better than folks with money to burn and Wall Street jargon to misapply. Life got considerably easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfWOV isn't even close to the enemies of AP, it's but a tiny speck. Have you seen Twitter and various other social group platforms? I noticed the lockdown caused a tremendous amount of information sharing spreading like wildfire and an explosion in the number of people flocking to all areas of Advantage-Play once only card counters and poker players they are now getting into the slots, promos, and the mail game. I estimate the number of seriouse Advange Players in the last 2 years has increased by 6 times. I'm not just talking about machine bonus hustlers, I'm talking about people that do some real financial damage to the casinos.Quote:
Originally Posted by theywontpayontuesday
Just an interesting contrast.
That's because sports is filled with opinions and oftentimes there is no provable advantage even by the sharpest people.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzThat's really interesting. For sports betting, there's been a dramatic increase in number of players, fueled by internet accounts in those states with sports betting. Unlike machine or table play newcomers, however, this will have the overall effect of making life easier. You'll get big numbers of people who THINK they know what they're doing when they don't (the alleged "sharps" -- LOL) and huge numbers of recreational players. Nothing better than folks with money to burn and Wall Street jargon to misapply. Life got considerably easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfWOV isn't even close to the enemies of AP, it's but a tiny speck. Have you seen Twitter and various other social group platforms? I noticed the lockdown caused a tremendous amount of information sharing spreading like wildfire and an explosion in the number of people flocking to all areas of Advantage-Play once only card counters and poker players they are now getting into the slots, promos, and the mail game. I estimate the number of seriouse Advange Players in the last 2 years has increased by 6 times. I'm not just talking about machine bonus hustlers, I'm talking about people that do some real financial damage to the casinos.Quote:
Originally Posted by theywontpayontuesday
Just an interesting contrast.
Most of the time when you can prove there's an advantage, it's a fairly small one percentage-wise.
Here is a question, let's say you have 2 of the smartest sports bettors but they oftentimes have a different opinion. I guess I didn't ask a question but I think you know the question.
It just so happens that I have the perfect answer for you because I live it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfThat's because sports is filled with opinions and oftentimes there is no provable advantage even by the sharpest people.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzThat's really interesting. For sports betting, there's been a dramatic increase in number of players, fueled by internet accounts in those states with sports betting. Unlike machine or table play newcomers, however, this will have the overall effect of making life easier. You'll get big numbers of people who THINK they know what they're doing when they don't (the alleged "sharps" -- LOL) and huge numbers of recreational players. Nothing better than folks with money to burn and Wall Street jargon to misapply. Life got considerably easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Just an interesting contrast.
Most of the time when you can prove there's an advantage, it's a fairly small one percentage-wise.
Here is a question, let's say you have 2 of the smartest sports bettors but they oftentimes have a different opinion. I guess I didn't ask a question but I think you know the question.
Let's say an, ahem, friend of mine has a track record in many ways superior to mine. This friend headed a large cartel of sports bettors in Las Vegas back in the 90's and early 2000's. We do things in completely different ways. For example, my friend takes 80% faves and I take 70% underdogs. Since we are taking these different teams, we do run into disagreements with some regularity.
Inevitably what happens when we disagree is that if my reasons are specific and technical in nature (let's say, for example, a run-and-shoot offense goes against an old wide tackle six), then most of the time I am right. But if my reasons are not specific but more of a general overall team strength assessment, and my friend likes the other side, then my friend is right most of the time.
The moral of the story is that if I see something specific my friend does not see or interpret, then I'm usually correct. If my friend has assessed context very carefully and I am making the play based on non specifics, usually I have missed something about the context of the game that is crucial to understanding how it will be played.
You would think it took a long time for us to figure this out, but it really did not. Both of us know that when we disagree, we need to reassess what we think we are looking at. This process actually augments our records, even though we are using completely different emphases.
Interestingly, I think Billy Walters started having issues when his initial people and analyses faded a bit, and he started assembling roundtables of experts, who he kept isolated from each other for the most part. The experts often disagreed.
This was part of the problem when gamblers used to hire so-called consensus services who rounded up the plays from the best handicappers and sold them under one roof. The gamblers would often have been better off just sticking with one flagship handicapper for years rather than trying to sort out what they should play from the consensus services.
And by the way, "provable advantage" is a kind of inappropriate term. All sports and race gambling is a game of opinion. If you're hoping to come up with some actual mathematical advantage and use that a springboard to profits, for the most part -- forget about it. Because people with better opinions than you have recognized the same math, and they are still ahead of you, which means they have probably pulled the trigger first, so you get the worst of the number or the worst of the situation. And, as you say, any math advantage of that kind is minimal anyway. Opinions trump any niggardly math angles.
Note to blackhole: Regarding values of posts, anybody who bets serious money on sports and reads this particular post just got a very valuable lesson in reality, history, and how to gamble on sports. I'm not sure anyone else on any forum could have laid it out like this, done it succinctly, and done it with particular historical examples to boot.
Wouldn’t the simple one sentence solution if you’re on opposite sides of the same game be to book each other’s action up to an equal amount and eliminate the vig.
Wizard has turned on MDawg.
It's all over.
I hope that the people who hate MDawg, can now enjoy their life.
Perhaps you can go out and do a good deed or two.
I actually called out that Wizard turned on Mdawg when I mentioned Wizard hid Mdawg's Adventures Thread when he was Suspended and mentioned how shitty Wizard doing that really is. Now, Wizard has hidden "Is This Forum Dead?" Thread that Mdawg had started, the same day Mdawg got Suspended again (He JUST came back on SATURDAY after serving a one month Suspension and is already got a three day Suspension on Tuesday, just three days later. So sad.) So, keep in mind that this is at LEAST the SECOND time that Wizard has hidden a Mdawg Thread while he is SUSPENDED and can't have a say in his Thread(s) being hidden.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Wizard also hid the "I have learned," a Baccarat thread that was started by Mdawg's Protege and Fan, Marcus. I have a Theory that Wizard is trying to push Mdawg out the door without outright telling him to leave. It's just my Theory, but I feel my Theory holds a lot of water and has two legs to stand on.
How does someone get a 3 day suspension after coming off a 30 day suspension? Sounds like Wizard is cutting him a break. That kind of shit is why that site is a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by TashaI actually called out that Wizard turned on Mdawg when I mentioned Wizard hid Mdawg's Adventures Thread when he was Suspended and mentioned how shitty Wizard doing that really is. Now, Wizard has hidden "Is This Forum Dead?" Thread that Mdawg had started, the same day Mdawg got Suspended again (He JUST came back on SATURDAY after serving a one month Suspension and is already got a three day Suspension on Tuesday, just three days later. So sad.) So, keep in mind that this is at LEAST the SECOND time that Wizard has hidden a Mdawg Thread while he is SUSPENDED and can't have a say in his Thread(s) being hidden.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Wizard also hid the "I have learned," a Baccarat thread that was started by Mdawg's Protege and Fan, Marcus. I have a Theory that Wizard is trying to push Mdawg out the door without outright telling him to leave. It's just my Theory, but I feel my Theory holds a lot of water and has two legs to stand on.
Yes, I certainly got a very valuable lesson in sports betting reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Imagine trying to bank, feed, and supply a family’s daily and futures needs on what you just posted. Might not be too bad if you’re living single under the security of your moms roof in the basement. But trying to raise a family today with providing a home, medical, medicine, school, cloths. cars. Ins., marriage, retirement, vacations, and that list just got started; on the hopes that between two different opinions you come up with the right gambling decision sounds no different than a coin flip.
Just like Dan Druff blowing his own horn when he’s up a few units. That’s provided you’re betting exactly one unit per wager. How about when you love an opportunity and lay into it only to find out your wrong. What does that do to your book keeping.
Wonder what Kewlj has to say about this comment “If you're hoping to come up with some actual mathematical advantage and use that a springboard to profits, for the most part -- forget about it.”
Sorry Redietz, but this might explain why you’re where you are today. You might be able to trim the percentages in your favor, but it’s always still just a gamble. There are lots of smarter and safer ways to make a living. Gambling has to be on the bottom of that barrel except for a gifted few. Even that gifted few have to make it to retirement safely. Gambling should be treated like any other entertainment, and what you could afford to lose is all that matters.
I’m pretty sure if we were able to get an accurate estimate of successful gamblers living in casinos and sportsbooks, I would bet you have better odds of making a major league sports team, or winning a lottery for a buck.
God Speed gamblers.
If you're so smart and successful why can't you afford to hire a keeper to wipe the drool off your shirt and keyboard?Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeYes, I certainly got a very valuable lesson in sports betting reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Imagine trying to bank, feed, and supply a family’s daily and futures needs on what you just posted. Might not be too bad if you’re living single under the security of your moms roof in the basement. But trying to raise a family today with providing a home, medical, medicine, school, cloths. cars. Ins., marriage, retirement, vacations, and that list just got started; on the hopes that between two different opinions you come up with the right gambling decision sounds no different than a coin flip.
Just like Dan Druff blowing his own horn when he’s up a few units. That’s provided you’re betting exactly one unit per wager. How about when you love an opportunity and lay into it only to find out your wrong. What does that do to your book keeping.
Wonder what Kewlj has to say about this comment “If you're hoping to come up with some actual mathematical advantage and use that a springboard to profits, for the most part -- forget about it.”
Sorry Redietz, but this might explain why you’re where you are today. You might be able to trim the percentages in your favor, but it’s always still just a gamble. There are lots of smarter and safer ways to make a living. Gambling has to be on the bottom of that barrel except for a gifted few. Even that gifted few have to make it to retirement safely. Gambling should be treated like any other entertainment, and what you could afford to lose is all that matters.
I’m pretty sure if we were able to get an accurate estimate of successful gamblers living in casinos and sportsbooks, I would bet you have better odds of making a major league sports team, or winning a lottery for a buck.
God Speed gamblers.
WHY?
Your understanding of gambling is horrible. You're obviously not intelligent enough to know anything given you seem to think a gambler's life earnings come down to 1 decision. Here is a clue and it is free!. There are infinite coin-flips. It isn't the decision on any one coinflip, but the system of whatever coinflips one does.
I know quite a few people who I assume make 6 figures off gambling. They at least seem happy at the moment, but no one on here is telling people that gambling is some great career choice. You don't even seem to make the 'happy threshold' in life, yet here you are relentlessly lecturing everyone.
You sit here and interact with people you're so sure are losers. You have no contributions. You don't belong. That doesn't matter, you're still miserable.
Obviously you made the right life decisions given you're hanging out with people you despise while drooling all over the fucking place.
shut
the
fuck
up !
Trust me CUNT, no one here expected any more then your capable of posting.
Up early today. Humidifier in that basement not holding up?
Do you need a humidifier when you sleep in a basement?Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
If you sleep with a humidifier and it breaks, does it cause you to wake up early?
Just Curious.
Humidifier is not something around these parts nor are basements so it took me awhile to even understand he was trying to insult me.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetDo you need a humidifier when you sleep in a basement?Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
If you sleep with a humidifier and it breaks, does it cause you to wake up early?
Just Curious.
Just more drool.
I'm not a gambler.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeYes, I certainly got a very valuable lesson in sports betting reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Imagine trying to bank, feed, and supply a family’s daily and futures needs on what you just posted. Might not be too bad if you’re living single under the security of your moms roof in the basement. But trying to raise a family today with providing a home, medical, medicine, school, cloths. cars. Ins., marriage, retirement, vacations, and that list just got started; on the hopes that between two different opinions you come up with the right gambling decision sounds no different than a coin flip.
Just like Dan Druff blowing his own horn when he’s up a few units. That’s provided you’re betting exactly one unit per wager. How about when you love an opportunity and lay into it only to find out your wrong. What does that do to your book keeping.
Wonder what Kewlj has to say about this comment “If you're hoping to come up with some actual mathematical advantage and use that a springboard to profits, for the most part -- forget about it.”
Sorry Redietz, but this might explain why you’re where you are today. You might be able to trim the percentages in your favor, but it’s always still just a gamble. There are lots of smarter and safer ways to make a living. Gambling has to be on the bottom of that barrel except for a gifted few. Even that gifted few have to make it to retirement safely. Gambling should be treated like any other entertainment, and what you could afford to lose is all that matters.
I’m pretty sure if we were able to get an accurate estimate of successful gamblers living in casinos and sportsbooks, I would bet you have better odds of making a major league sports team, or winning a lottery for a buck.
God Speed gamblers.
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Originally Posted by blackholeYes, I certainly got a very valuable lesson in sports betting reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Imagine trying to bank, feed, and supply a family’s daily and futures needs on what you just posted. Might not be too bad if you’re living single under the security of your moms roof in the basement. But trying to raise a family today with providing a home, medical, medicine, school, cloths. cars. Ins., marriage, retirement, vacations, and that list just got started; on the hopes that between two different opinions you come up with the right gambling decision sounds no different than a coin flip.
Just like Dan Druff blowing his own horn when he’s up a few units. That’s provided you’re betting exactly one unit per wager. How about when you love an opportunity and lay into it only to find out your wrong. What does that do to your book keeping.
Wonder what Kewlj has to say about this comment “If you're hoping to come up with some actual mathematical advantage and use that a springboard to profits, for the most part -- forget about it.”
Sorry Redietz, but this might explain why you’re where you are today. You might be able to trim the percentages in your favor, but it’s always still just a gamble. There are lots of smarter and safer ways to make a living. Gambling has to be on the bottom of that barrel except for a gifted few. Even that gifted few have to make it to retirement safely. Gambling should be treated like any other entertainment, and what you could afford to lose is all that matters.
I’m pretty sure if we were able to get an accurate estimate of successful gamblers living in casinos and sportsbooks, I would bet you have better odds of making a major league sports team, or winning a lottery for a buck.
God Speed gamblers.
Blackhole,
Well, first of all, "where I am," in terms of net worth, is better than the majority of Americans. But that's neither here nor there.
Do you have any idea how difficult it is to helm a sports service that tells the truth all of the time? LOL. It's amazing that I wasn't forced to do something completely different after the first year I went national. I lost that first national year. I had had a tremendous year the prior year (when I had a column with plays at the Valley View Citizen Standard), but I lost the first year I went national, and I returned clients' fees after the season. So I was effectively broke going forwards.
The business is 90% or more scam artists. To sit here for 40 years and tell the blessed truth every single time, in every ad and every conversation, in every brochure, in every interaction with reporters or academics, how do you think that affects someone's bottom line? I chuckle my brains out.
And then to stick to my guns, handicap only football, and basically make a reputation specifically in college football? What effects do you think that has on a bottom line?
You gotta be kidding me, criticizing me for surviving and winding up in better shape than most Americans.
I play about a hundred college games each year. That's it. There's no magic to this; no wands to wave. There's not hundreds or thousands of plays each year. It's hard. And I have losing years.
So why do it? Because it's (1) what I do best and (2) I thought it could give me a platform to do more important things, like my blog, for instance. I grew up in a small mining town to a working class family. I was the third person in my entire extended family, extending out to cousins, to ever go to college, and that was on an earned National Merit Scholarship. Even then, I had Popcorn Tuesdays in college because I couldn't afford anything else.
So am I supposed to be embarrassed to end up better off than most Americans? To have conducted Integrity Sports in the most pristine, above board manner possible?
How many businesses do you know that have always, as in ALWAYS, told the truth in all of their advertisements? You think any of them would survive in the USA? LOL.
I love where I "wound up." I'm arguably the best there is at what I do. I have learned enough about various academic subjects to understand what questions to ask, which is how I've gotten everything about the pandemic correct. And I have "Good Food" Wednesdays from Cheddars or Outback, which beats "Popcorn Tuesdays" all to hell, but does nothing for my waistline.
God bless you, blackhole. You made me feel better about myself just remembering that I pulled this off for 40 years.
Now here's a question, blackhole. Did you start from modest beginnings, or were you one of those "daddy's boys?" Just curious. You look down your nose at people at certain income levels (below yours), you don't necessarily respect people at higher income levels than yours (say, Dan Druff or some of the guys I work with), but you've never mentioned pulling yourself up by bootstraps.
LOL. Everything? You especially got the gloves part right. Stay in your lane. Thanks for the chuckle.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Mdawgs 3 day suspension even more of a joke, when you consider someone else on the same topic but other side of the argument, also coming off a 30 day suspension, recieved another 30 day suspension.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenHow does someone get a 3 day suspension after coming off a 30 day suspension? Sounds like Wizard is cutting him a break. That kind of shit is why that site is a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by TashaI actually called out that Wizard turned on Mdawg when I mentioned Wizard hid Mdawg's Adventures Thread when he was Suspended and mentioned how shitty Wizard doing that really is. Now, Wizard has hidden "Is This Forum Dead?" Thread that Mdawg had started, the same day Mdawg got Suspended again (He JUST came back on SATURDAY after serving a one month Suspension and is already got a three day Suspension on Tuesday, just three days later. So sad.) So, keep in mind that this is at LEAST the SECOND time that Wizard has hidden a Mdawg Thread while he is SUSPENDED and can't have a say in his Thread(s) being hidden.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Wizard also hid the "I have learned," a Baccarat thread that was started by Mdawg's Protege and Fan, Marcus. I have a Theory that Wizard is trying to push Mdawg out the door without outright telling him to leave. It's just my Theory, but I feel my Theory holds a lot of water and has two legs to stand on.
The only good I can see from this is that Wizard has lost control of his forum with many members speaking out against the MaryDawg "fairytales", because they defy math and the way the Las vegas casino industry works. And MaryDawg having made up a lie about Montreal Canadian players gambling at the Wynn, when they were in Montreal under quarantine at the time, proves that he is making stuff up to generate the attention he needs.
So Wizard has had to suspend numerous people, all becaause he didn't step in and end this fantasy bullshit much earlier when he should have. HE (wizard) was supposed to be the one calling out this BS. That is what his mission statemnet was when he started the forum. But now he just doesn't give a damn.
You are, of course, correct. I got the gloves wrong in February 2020. However, you wouldn't know I got the gloves wrong unless I told you after the fact because I never wrote about it or recommended it in any post or piece of writing. I never said, "Wear gloves," or "Don't wear gloves; wear masks." So you know I was wrong because I told you after the fact that I had been wrong. Ah yes, the poster who tells you when he's made errors in judgement that are private.Quote:
Originally Posted by unJonLOL. Everything? You especially got the gloves part right. Stay in your lane. Thanks for the chuckle.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Certainly worthy of chuckles.
I was simply wrong regarding my own safety, and my girlfriend was correct. The reason I reported that I was wrong after the fact, in my blog for example, was to emphasize the disconnect early in the pandemic between CDC and administration recommendations and protocols being recommended by various international experts whose countries had recently dealt with other pandemics. Most of the time, the international experts turned out to be more correct than the CDC or the Trump administration. The moral of the story was to pay attention to international experts.
So I'll amend my statement, "I got everything right that I actually wrote about in advance, posted about in advance, or recommended in advance regarding the pandemic."
Thanks for allowing me to spell that out.
And now unJon can take a crack at finding something I may have gotten publicly wrong. Good luck with that. I was a tad light on my estimated number of likely deaths back in April 2020, but I was certainly much more accurate than anyone in the administration at the time. I lowballed Osterholm's numbers, and should just have gone with them full bore.
Three things you can count on in life.
1) Crimm (and company) to say ever nuttier stuff.
2) KJ to keep writing whatever.
3) Red to set the record straight.
Oh, the fourth is MrV to use ever loftier words to shit on himself. Ha.
And the true meaning of Christmas ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqOOUJFv1n0
@redietz
No I’m not going to go hunting for public misstatements you made. I’m not Coachbelly. It was funny because I had just read your glove post so was in my memory.
Listen, you seem like a smart guy and mostly logical. But you tend to speak in absolutes and toot your own horn constantly. I’m sure you are aware that those personality quirks aren’t very likable. Nothing personal.
Lol... Is that the dog?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Is the Dawg really a 2 bit ambulance chaser out of Dallas? ....lmao
Would explain a lot..
I think you meant to say...Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenLol... Is that the dog?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Is the Dawg really a 2 bit ambulance chaser out of Dallas? ....lmao
Would explain a lot..
Lol... Is that the dog?
Does the Dawg really work for a 2 bit ambulance chaser out of Dallas? ....lmao
Three of the biggest con-artist frauds on this site exposing their envy towards a person capable of making millions of dollars. While they want us to believe their making millions with no proof other than because they say so.
You three fucking fools have no idea how pathetic you appear, especially the mental patient and broken-down shoe THE BOZ.
Shouldn’t you fools be in a shit hole casino pressing buttons? Or are you already there just watching your teams of players collecting your profits posting from your phones?
This is proof....all the proof I need....AND THEN SOME that you don't have a clue about advanatge play or gambling with an advantage. YOU think the legitimate AP's, who have all demonstrated they know what they are talking about are the frauds and that people like MaryDawg and Singer, touting voodoo gambling concepts like progression betting, stop limits and special plays, that defy math and have been proven wrong for decades, sometimes hundreds of years are real. Hillarious! You are either an idiot or just the kind of gullible target they seek. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
How often do you see me or any other AP attack or challenge an AP about his claims? The reason: It is about the math. If the math works, who are we to say, even if we don't believe them or personally like the person. But if the claims defy the math, that is a different story.
So Singer: forget the double up claim, that he stole from a news account. For a decade prior to that and even since, his claims of riches from progressive wagering, stop limts and special plays reads like a 'best hits' of voodoo, thoughly debunked gambling concepts.
Mdawg: This one is not all that different. While he doesn't come out and say "progressive wagering", accounts of his play, have him betting more when he gets behind, and always hitting a big win or two to come back to even or ahead. That is progression betting. But it is not an honest portrayal of how progression wagering really works. There is not rabbit's foot magic that you will always hit big and recover. Players employing this concept are just as likely to keep losing....losing their bigger bets and record a massive loss. Either Mdawg is leaving that part out or he is making the whole thing up, because as he states it, his claims defy math. Granted, it is kind of hard to tell because his claims "evolve" and change so much. :rolleyes:
Since Mdawg has not gone into detail about what he does, I suppose there is the possibility that 1) he has discovered something that no other player, billions of players, experts, mathematicians have discovered in all these years, or 2) he is employing one of several known techniques that can give a baccarat player a small advantage. But here is the problem with that. First, when asked over a year ago, he said no, he was not playing with an advantage, so if he has lied all this time (along with changing stories and claims)....that is on him!
And second, see the part I bolded? "Known techniques"? These are known to the casino industry and casino personnel. Casinos aren't going to allow him to play what he claims and just keep winning (something like 130 out of 132 sessions over his last 2 trips). Not only allow him, but tell him how great he is and comp him high ends suites for months at a time (along with food, hockey tickets and other high end comps). That is NOT the way Las vegas works!
The comparision would be like if I ran around Vegas card counting (a very known technique) at super high limits (that Mdawg claims). I would last about 2 days. There is a reason, I have to play lower, more tolerated limits and very short sessions. And this isn't speculation, it has been proven. There have been players, a pretty good number actually including well known, well documented examples that did just that. Ran around playing higher limits in Vegas and throughout the country and they last a matter of months. Short careers! Most end up writing books, making movies or running 'boot camps'. You can not employ a technique that is well know, at high stakes and be welcome to continue. You have to play the game on their terms to acheive longevity and that starts with betting limits that are more tolerated and accepted.
Wow Kewlj, you’re out there, I mean way out there with this essay post of course leading to another version of your Las Vegas BJ Walt Disney show.
If Dawg really is an injury attorney, which I can’t confirm but assuming based on the 3 Amigos above who seem to be certain, so it must be true. I’m thinking one case could bring him 10 years of your Walt Disney salary. I never once said I believed Dawgs baccarat claims or singers.
The only proof this forum has for fact is you admitting you like to suck on nice cocks.
Please see a doctor.
Further evidence of you being blinded by your hatred and bitterness. That is one ugly way to go through life. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
I have no idea if Mdawg is an attorney or not. Don't really care. I care only about his math defying gambling claims. I know he has claimed to be an attorney several times and told Michael Shackleford that he is an attorney. It does appear he has money or came from money. I admit that is something I didn't think early on. How much money, I have no idea. But having money and/or a large bankroll doesn't overcome negative expectation (-EV) as Mdawg wants people to beleive. :rolleyes:
Don't try to set me up with any doctor friend of yours. I have a boyfriend. But thanks for thinking of me. :D
You and many other alleged AP’s come here and insist you’re cleaning the casinos clocks of cash. You especially with chapter after chapter insisting for us to believe your Las Vegas BJ Walt Disney fantasy show.
You may not be demanding anything with your fantasies but it sure seems that way after reading over hundreds of times the same re-run over and over again.
If this type of behavior doesn’t confirm your endless need to insist you’re telling the truth, then people like me insist you prove it.
Prove it or shut the fuck up and everything will go silent.
Really? Chapter after chapter of me cleaning the casino's clock? I suggest you go back and read what I shared last year. :rolleyes: A massive negative run (so bad I wrongly thought I might be being cheated....shades of Zenking) just as I increased my stakes apon casinos reopening had me in the red for most of the year. In Octorber, I finally had a decent month and slipped back into the black, but still finished significantly below expectation at $14k win for the year. Is that chapter after chapter of cleaning the casino's clock? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
This is a gambling and Vegas related forum!!! hense the name. :rolleyes: I know people like you have done your best to turn it into a troll fest (the owner of the forum has labeled YOU a troll), but it is suppoosed to be about players sharing their experiences.....EXACTLY what I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Kiwlj always finding a way with every post to add another chapter to his Las Vegas BJ Walt Disney fantasies.
KJ's biggest problem is repeatedly engaging with trolls.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
"You can't make money playing BJ"
"Sure, whatever buddy"
<Blocks account>
Can't really argue with that. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by jdaewooKJ's biggest problem is repeatedly engaging with trolls.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
The dog ate my homework. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfI think you meant to say...Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenLol... Is that the dog?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Is the Dawg really a 2 bit ambulance chaser out of Dallas? ....lmao
Would explain a lot..
Lol... Is that the dog?
Does the Dawg really work for a 2 bit ambulance chaser out of Dallas? ....lmao
Honestly, my bad. I almost never write in absolutes actually, but I lost discipline with blackhole because he's an absolutes kind of guy and went with absolutes in response to him. No excuse. I'm usually the overboard-with-qualifiers guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by unJon
Of course, I don't get everything right, but I try my damnedest in my blog to pass on accurate information. I've been simmering regarding vaccination critiques, but I needed to collect sufficient info and generalized grasp of things to write anything about it. Finally, the reason Ivermectin has good effects (but not necessarily directly on Covid) has come to light.
Anyway, I try to tackle both left and right nonsense in the blog. My goal is to get everyone to hate me, so you certainly got that right.
Here are the latest, a criticism of Trans boosterism as some kind of moral absolute, and a summary of American conspiracies, which actually have been with us forever. I'll be back to writing more now that I've managed to get some insights regarding how the Biden administration is massaging us.
https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...athletics.html
https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...onspiracy.html
All you did was post up what you read in the news.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzYou are, of course, correct. I got the gloves wrong in February 2020. However, you wouldn't know I got the gloves wrong unless I told you after the fact because I never wrote about it or recommended it in any post or piece of writing. I never said, "Wear gloves," or "Don't wear gloves; wear masks." So you know I was wrong because I told you after the fact that I had been wrong. Ah yes, the poster who tells you when he's made errors in judgement that are private.Quote:
Originally Posted by unJonLOL. Everything? You especially got the gloves part right. Stay in your lane. Thanks for the chuckle.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Certainly worthy of chuckles.
I was simply wrong regarding my own safety, and my girlfriend was correct. The reason I reported that I was wrong after the fact, in my blog for example, was to emphasize the disconnect early in the pandemic between CDC and administration recommendations and protocols being recommended by various international experts whose countries had recently dealt with other pandemics. Most of the time, the international experts turned out to be more correct than the CDC or the Trump administration. The moral of the story was to pay attention to international experts.
So I'll amend my statement, "I got everything right that I actually wrote about in advance, posted about in advance, or recommended in advance regarding the pandemic."
Thanks for allowing me to spell that out.
And now unJon can take a crack at finding something I may have gotten publicly wrong. Good luck with that. I was a tad light on my estimated number of likely deaths back in April 2020, but I was certainly much more accurate than anyone in the administration at the time. I lowballed Osterholm's numbers, and should just have gone with them full bore.
Blackshithole, it's time for you to quit the big talk and put up some proof of your net worth and income. You keep demanding proof so how bout you go first, bitch. But we all know you live in section 8 housing and draw food stamps. So you will certainly chickenshit out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
So, Caron36 is a BRAND NEW MEMBER on WOV and his FIRST and ONLY Post is insulting Evenbob.... He even said calling a Suicide Prevention Hotline would be more fun... No, just no. I see RED in Caron36 immediate Future... Like TODAY. He's already showing signs of being BIG Trouble. He cones off as a Troll/Sock. Keep in mind that when I call out "Newbies," as being Troll/Socks, I usually am RIGHT. I have like a 98 percent of accuracy when it comes to detecting when "Newbies," are Trolls/Socks, at least when it comes to me saying that they are.... For some reason, when I say someone is NOT a Troll/Sock," it often turns out that they are.... When I say a "Newbie," is a Troll/Sock, it usually turns out that they ARE Trolls/Socks....
I'd be willing to bet $100 due in four weeks that Caron36 becomes RED by today....
In fact here is the copy and paste of Caron36 FIRST post.
"I can't believe that after all these years, EB's big, number-1 thread is about nothing.
Nothing like ending where you started, let alone on some fizzling "math" forum far, far away.
Calling the suicide-prevention center would be more fun."
I (Tasha) have been banned from Websites after just ONE post for WAY less than what Caron36 said on his FIRST post. I got banned from a gambling Website for writing,,"A Whale is someone who spends a lot of money in a Casino, like Millions." when asked,"What is your definition of a "Whale?" I was thrown out the door after my only post there, and it was a REALLY innocent reply. So there is no way Caron36 is going to remain in Blue after today....
Shut it down: So, Caron36 is a BRAND NEW MEMBER on WOV and his FIRST and ONLY Post is insulting Evenbob. --->Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
List of awards and nominations received by Inglourious Basterds.
https://anagram-solver.net/Shut%20it...b?partial=true
Hmm. Wanna bet?
Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmAll you did was post up what you read in the news.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzYou are, of course, correct. I got the gloves wrong in February 2020. However, you wouldn't know I got the gloves wrong unless I told you after the fact because I never wrote about it or recommended it in any post or piece of writing. I never said, "Wear gloves," or "Don't wear gloves; wear masks." So you know I was wrong because I told you after the fact that I had been wrong. Ah yes, the poster who tells you when he's made errors in judgement that are private.Quote:
Originally Posted by unJon
Certainly worthy of chuckles.
I was simply wrong regarding my own safety, and my girlfriend was correct. The reason I reported that I was wrong after the fact, in my blog for example, was to emphasize the disconnect early in the pandemic between CDC and administration recommendations and protocols being recommended by various international experts whose countries had recently dealt with other pandemics. Most of the time, the international experts turned out to be more correct than the CDC or the Trump administration. The moral of the story was to pay attention to international experts.
So I'll amend my statement, "I got everything right that I actually wrote about in advance, posted about in advance, or recommended in advance regarding the pandemic."
Thanks for allowing me to spell that out.
And now unJon can take a crack at finding something I may have gotten publicly wrong. Good luck with that. I was a tad light on my estimated number of likely deaths back in April 2020, but I was certainly much more accurate than anyone in the administration at the time. I lowballed Osterholm's numbers, and should just have gone with them full bore.
Actually, mickey, if you synch up what I wrote with what was in the American news, I was ahead of the curve by anywhere from a day to a week on most things. And that's because of international news and knowing people who work in the field in question -- namely at Genentech, for example. And knowing people who had been in the vaccine trials.
More to the point, if I read it in the news, I must have been reading the right news, eh? Many folks were not, wouldn't you say?
What did I tell you? Caron36 brought me up on WOV..... A Legitimate Newbie would have had NO idea who I am.....
How much longer until we find out that you are Caron36? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tasha