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At WOV in the thread titled "Wellbushe's Trip Reports" I only have access to pages 1 through 6 and part of page 7. the last post that I can read is from Moses dated on Sep 3. I have tried using the subscribe and unblocked features for that thread at least half a dozen times and clicking where it tells you to and I get the following in very large print Thread Blocked. Apparently, the Administration of WOV is censoring someone by placing restrictions on open opinions if they oppose them.
Sorry for the above post the Administration took a part of one thread and started another thread with a completely different title.
Pick any day, anytime and look at WoV. 5 or 6 of the last responses are from the 2 new mods.
It will change after I posted this, but Dieter and the other clown have to have the latest word.
These 2 fucks are on 24/7 replying to anything and everything.
I have no problem with that or with them.
They're new to the job and obviously feel it is incumbent upon them to actually moderate.
You know, shine some light and the roaches will scurry ...
We will have to disagree on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Are you arguing they should be posting at a level 7 times their average over the past 5 years because they are mods now?
OnceDear posted less than 2 times his average before being a mod afterwords.
And if you think the “roaches have scurried”, I would love to see your proof. Granted they have suspended a few more than in the recent past, but they are short suspensions and I don’t see anyone in fear of them.
Today in the 'moderation in moderataion' thread at WoV, (t)eliot, made a post with the following first paragraph:
This site needs to call b.s. loudly and openly when it comes to betting systems and nonsense claims (any system not based on information is fraudulent and those who push non-information based systems are either scammers, liars or delusional).
I regret that I am not a member there to 'thank' or 'like' (whatever it is called) this post by Eliot. And I never thought I would thank or like an Eliot post. I have had some pretty negative things to say about him over the years.
But Eliot is exactly right. These BS posts and threads that defy math and reality should be called out, regardless of the person writing them crying to Wizard. If Wizard doesn't want to take on that responsibility, he should at least let the forum membership do so (sort of a self policing) without any fear of penalty.
+1 for Eliot!
You asshole the only reason TEliot made the post, to begin with, is because I got the ball rolling two post above his. You always have something to say only you always say it on the wrong board. Either because you are scared to death or you are most likely barred or suspended. You have something to say overQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
there try using Spiderman.
We need MORE Mdawg types spouting their bullshit. The more of these losers in casinos, the better for me.
I cannot argue with that, as your quote is true. KJ, we both took the wrong position on this matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
I didn't take the wrong position on it. Of course it is better for us AP's that more people go to casinos and play and lose. But that still don't make it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxI cannot argue with that, as your quote is true. KJ, we both took the wrong position on this matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
I know that when I was starting out, I benefited from many experienced and successful players sharing their experiences and knowledge back on the first forum I was on, the old original blackjackinfo. People Like Don Schlesinger, and Norm W and Ken Smith who ran the forum, Munchkin, And King James Grosjean, Bojack (who was likely Hyland), Bigplayer, who is a 40 year professional player, who played on Hylands teams, 21f****, among others.
So I just don't think it right that newer players who go to a legimate forum, like WoV, that is supposed to be grounded in the gambling math, get mislead and potentially harmed by some jackass, making claims of riches that defy math....even if it does benefit me in the long run.
Is it necessary for you to be so nasty, and call names on a subject that we both agree on?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxYou asshole the only reason TEliot made the post, to begin with, is because I got the ball rolling two post above his. You always have something to say only you always say it on the wrong board. Either because you are scared to death or you are most likely barred or suspended. You have something to say overQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
there try using Spiderman.
And I do thank you for mentioning me as being part of the push to have Mdawg's fantasy thread hidden from the main front page section. It is good to see you and so many other continuing that fight as Mdawg tries to manipulate his way back to the front page.
edit: Upon further reading I see that you have flip flopped your position BoSox. To that I will just say it would be better for me if people were shooting each other and dying in the streets. There would be less compition for everything, food, housing, anything you want to buy, dining out at restuarants (less wait) etc. But that don't mean I am in favor of people shooting each other in the streets. Sometimes you have to look past what might be good for you for selfish reasons, and consider what is right and wrong.
The problem is that, for some strange reason, you're worried about "newer players". I prefer these "newer players" to be just stupid gamblers like the MDawg types. Why in the f*** do I want MORE smart players?????Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI didn't take the wrong position on it. Of course it is better for us AP's that more people go to casinos and play and lose. But that still don't make it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxI cannot argue with that, as your quote is true. KJ, we both took the wrong position on this matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
I know that when I was starting out, I benefited from many experienced and successful players sharing their experiences and knowledge back on the first forum I was on, the old original blackjackinfo. People Like Don Schlesinger, and Norm W and Ken Smith who ran the forum, Munchkin, And King James Grosjean, Bojack (who was likely Hyland), Bigplayer, who is a 40 year professional player, who played on Hylands teams, 21f****, among others.
So I just don't think it right that newer players who go to a legimate forum, like WoV, that is supposed to be grounded in the gambling math, get mislead and potentially harmed by some jackass, making claims of riches that defy math....even if it does benefit me in the long run.
My answer is right there in what you quoted and are responding to. Players helped me when I was starting out. Just like you, it wasn't in their best interest to, but they did and I have always felt I wanted to return that. Now if you don't want to take it as far as "helping" players, at the very least legitimate gambling forums, supposed to be based on the mathematics of gambling, shouldn't be full of mis-information, harmful information. Your answer above is just the pure definition of "selfish" as it relates to gambling. That is just not the right and wrong principals I was taught and still try to adhere to.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbThe problem is that, for some strange reason, you're worried about "newer players". I prefer these "newer players" to be just stupid gamblers like the MDawg types. Why in the f*** do I want MORE smart players?????Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI didn't take the wrong position on it. Of course it is better for us AP's that more people go to casinos and play and lose. But that still don't make it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
I know that when I was starting out, I benefited from many experienced and successful players sharing their experiences and knowledge back on the first forum I was on, the old original blackjackinfo. People Like Don Schlesinger, and Norm W and Ken Smith who ran the forum, Munchkin, And King James Grosjean, Bojack (who was likely Hyland), Bigplayer, who is a 40 year professional player, who played on Hylands teams, 21f****, among others.
So I just don't think it right that newer players who go to a legimate forum, like WoV, that is supposed to be grounded in the gambling math, get mislead and potentially harmed by some jackass, making claims of riches that defy math....even if it does benefit me in the long run.
Who cares what others did for you? As far as I'm concerned, people like Thorp, Grosjean, Dancer should've kept their mouths shut and just played. Just because they didn't and I use some of the same tactics, doesn't mean it's a smart idea to keep regurgitating what they've taught. In fact, its plain stupid to teach others this stuff.
No one is saying you don't have to "teach" anyone anything. But intentional mis-information, harmful information should not be allowed on a forum that is supposed to be about math. Players going to a legitimate forum seeking information and answers, shouldn't be lied to.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
No need to respond. I understand your position, just don't agree. Let's agree to disagree.
Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
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Originally Posted by kewlJNo one is saying you don't have to "teach" anyone anything. But intentional mis-information, harmful information should not be allowed on a forum that is supposed to be about math. Players going to a legitimate forum seeking information and answers, shouldn't be lied to.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
Should legitimate forums be pedaling offshore internet gaming sites?
IMO opinion...NO. I can appreciate forum owners and administrators right to make money from their forums, but I have never liked that association, and even more so dislike that a company related to and owning those gambling sites, now owns several of the legitimate forums, WoV, BJ21.com and Blackjackinfo.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJNo one is saying you don't have to "teach" anyone anything. But intentional mis-information, harmful information should not be allowed on a forum that is supposed to be about math. Players going to a legitimate forum seeking information and answers, shouldn't be lied to.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
Should legitimate forums be pedaling offshore internet gaming sites?
I have always respected Norm W for not going that route.
Flash enough manna in front of him and I guarantee he'll change his tune.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
The last thing in the world I want to do is speak for Norm Wattenberger. :D But Norm has said he is not interested in that money and from his actions, or lack of, how can anyone question him. With the money this company paid for WoV (and WOO), which I have never understood, and paid for BJ21 and Blackjackinfo, two blackjack sites with less traffic than Norm's forum, does anyone really beleive he didn't receive offers?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbFlash enough manna in front of him and I guarantee he'll change his tune.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
What difference does it make? The current crop of sites being advertised is no more or less legal than when Wizard was advertising Bovada/Bodog. The main difference is the site advertises multiple sites.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJIMO opinion...NO. I can appreciate forum owners and administrators right to make money from their forums, but I have never liked that association, and even more so dislike that a company related to and owning those gambling sites, now owns several of the legitimate forums, WoV, BJ21.com and Blackjackinfo.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Should legitimate forums be pedaling offshore internet gaming sites?
I have always respected Norm W for not going that route.
In terms of Admin staff and writing staff, we don't do anything to encourage people to gamble. We answer mathematical questions truthfully and to the best of our ability. My general gambling advice is, "Don't gamble on -EV games." They buried MDawg's thread (partially at your urging) because we don't want to give anyone the impression that systems or methods that defy the math have a long-term expectation of profit.
In short, we're doing as little to actually encourage people to gamble as a gambling site can do.
For my part, I don't claim it's legal in a state where it isn't...etc.
With all of that, if someone still wants to gamble, please use one of these sites and thank you.
On appearance, it appears that I flip-flopped on my position but I believe that jbjb set me straight possibly a year ago and it was easy to forget. Considering the best way to support someone that you really do not want to is by completely ignoring his threads. That works wonderfully and actually allows for co-existence pertaining to threads on other subjects. I will watch how the thread Moderation/Moderation is going, but over there on the other site I'd rather not see MDawgs adventure in the ten latest posts positions. That way by not seeing it up there it is far easier to forget that they exist in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJIs it necessary for you to be so nasty, and call names on a subject that we both agree on?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxYou asshole the only reason TEliot made the post, to begin with, is because I got the ball rolling two post above his. You always have something to say only you always say it on the wrong board. Either because you are scared to death or you are most likely barred or suspended. You have something to say overQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
there try using Spiderman.
And I do thank you for mentioning me as being part of the push to have Mdawg's fantasy thread hidden from the main front page section. It is good to see you and so many other continuing that fight as Mdawg tries to manipulate his way back to the front page.
edit: Upon further reading I see that you have flip flopped your position BoSox.
Excuse me but YOURS is not exactly an unbiased opinion. :D First, no one said anything about Legal or illegal. Of course it is legal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Also no one is accusing you or anyone that choses to work for (even for free) that forum and company of encouraging people to gamble. So let's get THAT out of the way.
But forums started by, owned and operated by, respected advantage players such as Shackleford, Wong, Norm and that still bear these peoples name and likeness (even in charature form), should not have that kind of association, in my opinion. It tarnishes the person's name in my opinion. To me there is a line as advantage players. Are you with us....or are you with "them".
Again, I want to be clear, Norm never did that and I respect that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxOn appearance, it appears that I flip-flopped on my position but I believe that jbjb set me straight possibly a year ago and it was easy to forget. Considering the best way to support someone that you really do not want to is by completely ignoring his threads. That works wonderfully and actually allows for co-existence pertaining to threads on other subjects. I will watch how the thread Moderation/Moderation is going, but over there on the other site I'd rather not see MDawgs adventure in the ten latest posts positions. That way by not seeing it up there it is far easier to forget that they exist in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJIs it necessary for you to be so nasty, and call names on a subject that we both agree on?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
And I do thank you for mentioning me as being part of the push to have Mdawg's fantasy thread hidden from the main front page section. It is good to see you and so many other continuing that fight as Mdawg tries to manipulate his way back to the front page.
edit: Upon further reading I see that you have flip flopped your position BoSox.
I have read many bizarro posts on this forum over the years, but this is a contender for top spot. So by not seeing MDawg's posts listed in the Top Ten, you feel better because you can coexist on other threads and make nice with him and his? And your anxiety level goes down because his thread titles exist out of your line of vision?
I hope, for the sake of logic and sanity that I am misinterpreting your post. I have to assume I have this wrong.
Hmm. Something is REALLY weird at WOV.... On the Suspension List, I have clicked on Sabre's name Multiple times, and for some odd reason, instead of getting Sabre's Profile, I get someone else's profile. Beyond weird....huh... I have to click on Personal Insult after Sabre's name to be able to link to the personal insult and then be able to see Sabre's Profile...And despite Sabre's Suspension ending yesterday, he is STILL Restricted. On Suspension list, it says his Suspension is Closed, meaning he should be back. Weird he is STILL Suspended.
Yeah, that's cool. I think Wizard wanted his sites to make money without having to implement some sort of fee model, subscription model or selling anything on direct.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJExcuse me but YOURS is not exactly an unbiased opinion. :D First, no one said anything about Legal or illegal. Of course it is legal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Also no one is accusing you or anyone that choses to work for (even for free) that forum and company of encouraging people to gamble. So let's get THAT out of the way.
But forums started by, owned and operated by, respected advantage players such as Shackleford, Wong, Norm and that still bear these peoples name and likeness (even in charature form), should not have that kind of association, in my opinion. It tarnishes the person's name in my opinion. To me there is a line as advantage players. Are you with us....or are you with "them".
Again, I want to be clear, Norm never did that and I respect that.
I'm also not a fan of that whole, "Them and Us," thing as any strict rule. Some people are just in favor of making money.
But, if someone wants to have a fee or subscription model or sell software, then that's also fine.
That is a little odd, but those kind of glitches happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
Bigger issue for me is someone like Sabre even being suspended. His personal insult was just telling the truth that Mdawgs claims are not true as he posts them. That members like sabre and other good, quality members, myself included, but really many, have repeatedly been suspended for telling the truth, is what I find bizarre. If good quality members are repeatedly being suspended for that, something needs to be re-evaluated.
It really goes back to the simple question, What is that forum now? Everyday it evolved more and more away from a forum based on gambling math as it was when it started and more and more, some odd social clubhouse with guys giving wedgies to one another and laughing about it.
Should be fixed now. Since it was just a link error, I'm sure they won't mind that I did it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
Actually, I had sort of forgotten that both BJ21 and Norm's forum to a lesser extent had a suscription fee. For BJ21, it was to access the section where most traffic and discussion took play. It used to be $14.95 a month and went up to $19.95 a month, with discounts for multiple months. haven't been a member since it was sold, so don't know what it is now. BJ21 also sold a lot of books and merchandise on the side. So together Fees and merchandising allowed for a profit. How much, I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Norm's form also has a section available only by monthly fee. The fee used to be $3.00 a month. It has been 6 years since I was a member. However on Norm's forum most of the traffic and discussion was on the main forum which didn't require the fee to access. Maybe things have changed. So that nominal fee and only some of the members paying it wouldn't result in a profit. Norm used to say covered some of the operating costs of the forum. Sounds very reasonable.
Now in addition, Norm did market his software. Over the years mabe he has made some money, supplemental money from his software products as most serious blackjack AP's have or have bought his products. But now, I suspect he only occasionally sells some software if a newer player pops up, which doesn't seem to occur too often.
So Norm is not making much if any money. He even has a 500 some page book, entitled Modern Blackjack, that is an excellent resourse for any player at any level, complete with hundreds of graphs and charts which is available for free. Now if you want a printed version, there is a fee. But Norm isn't making, nor isn't really about the money.
I feel a little funny, a little queezy, saying these good things about Norm, so I gotta stop now. :rolleyes:
Who said anything about anxiety? Besides the way that you worded your post is not what I stated. Yes, you assumed incorrectly. By the way, you are an asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxOn appearance, it appears that I flip-flopped on my position but I believe that jbjb set me straight possibly a year ago and it was easy to forget. Considering the best way to support someone that you really do not want to is by completely ignoring his threads. That works wonderfully and actually allows for co-existence pertaining to threads on other subjects. I will watch how the thread Moderation/Moderation is going, but over there on the other site I'd rather not see MDawgs adventure in the ten latest posts positions. That way by not seeing it up there it is far easier to forget that they exist in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I have read many bizarro posts on this forum over the years, but this is a contender for top spot. So by not seeing MDawg's posts listed in the Top Ten, you feel better because you can coexist on other threads and make nice with him and his? And your anxiety level goes down because his thread titles exist out of your line of vision?
I hope, for the sake of logic and sanity that I am misinterpreting your post. I have to assume I have this wrong.
Someone tell EvenRetard that the sequence 27, 27, 27, 6, 21, 21, 21 has the EXACT SAME PROBABILITY of coming up as does 3, 9, 32, 23, 7, 0, 28.
Cool that you fixed it. :) Now, Sabre's profile shows up when I click on his name from The Suspension List. :) For some odd reason even after the link was fixed, Sabre still was Restricted until shortly after you fixed the link. It reminded me of when my Blackjackpro Account originally got a three day Suspension for sending Poker Grinder an unsolicited PM asking him for help. Poker Grinder ignored the Unsolicited PM asking him for help and instead Reported the PM to Admins and my Blackjackpro originally got a three day Suspension for sending that Unsolicited PM to Poker Grinder. On the fourth day, Maxpen mentioned my Blackjackpro Account was still banned despite being only a three day Suspension. More and more Suspension days were added until my Blackjackpro Account was Banned without ever being Reinstated. I was expecting an apology for the extended Suspension and a full Reinstatement, but got BANNED instead. For a little while, it looked like Sabre was headed that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146Should be fixed now. Since it was just a link error, I'm sure they won't mind that I did it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
PokerGrinder was a rat stooly in this case just like his compadre DeMango. What do you expect from #5 and #6 respectively in the fan club.Quote:
Originally Posted by TashaCool that you fixed it. :) Now, Sabre's profile shows up when I click on his name from The Suspension List. :) For some odd reason even after the link was fixed, Sabre still was Restricted until shortly after you fixed the link. It reminded me of when my Blackjackpro Account originally got a three day Suspension for sending Poker Grinder an unsolicited PM asking him for help. Poker Grinder ignored the Unsolicited PM asking him for help and instead Reported the PM to Admins and my Blackjackpro originally got a three day Suspension for sending that Unsolicited PM to Poker Grinder. On the fourth day, Maxpen mentioned my Blackjackpro Account was still banned despite being only a three day Suspension. More and more Suspension days were added until my Blackjackpro Account was Banned without ever being Reinstated. I was expecting an apology for the extended Suspension and a full Reinstatement, but got BANNED instead. For a little while, it looked like Sabre was headed that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146Should be fixed now. Since it was just a link error, I'm sure they won't mind that I did it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
Yeah, I still don't know what I was thinking asking Poker Grinder for help. In Logical Hindsight, I should have asked an Admin for help, not Poker Grinder. How interesting that I used my one and only PM to ask Poker Grinder for help. I definitely would have lasted longer as Blackjackpro had I not sent Poker Grinder that PM asking him for help.Quote:
Originally Posted by OzzyPokerGrinder was a rat stooly in this case just like his compadre DeMango. What do you expect from #5 and #6 respectively in the fan club.Quote:
Originally Posted by TashaCool that you fixed it. :) Now, Sabre's profile shows up when I click on his name from The Suspension List. :) For some odd reason even after the link was fixed, Sabre still was Restricted until shortly after you fixed the link. It reminded me of when my Blackjackpro Account originally got a three day Suspension for sending Poker Grinder an unsolicited PM asking him for help. Poker Grinder ignored the Unsolicited PM asking him for help and instead Reported the PM to Admins and my Blackjackpro originally got a three day Suspension for sending that Unsolicited PM to Poker Grinder. On the fourth day, Maxpen mentioned my Blackjackpro Account was still banned despite being only a three day Suspension. More and more Suspension days were added until my Blackjackpro Account was Banned without ever being Reinstated. I was expecting an apology for the extended Suspension and a full Reinstatement, but got BANNED instead. For a little while, it looked like Sabre was headed that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
See, I thought he was still restricted. Fixing that link is why I even looked in the first place, because I was seeing if I fixed the link correctly. I saw that he was still banned and decided that it's not really my place to unban him, even though I technically have the capability to do that...so I brought it up in the Discussion thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by TashaCool that you fixed it. :) Now, Sabre's profile shows up when I click on his name from The Suspension List. :) For some odd reason even after the link was fixed, Sabre still was Restricted until shortly after you fixed the link. It reminded me of when my Blackjackpro Account originally got a three day Suspension for sending Poker Grinder an unsolicited PM asking him for help. Poker Grinder ignored the Unsolicited PM asking him for help and instead Reported the PM to Admins and my Blackjackpro originally got a three day Suspension for sending that Unsolicited PM to Poker Grinder. On the fourth day, Maxpen mentioned my Blackjackpro Account was still banned despite being only a three day Suspension. More and more Suspension days were added until my Blackjackpro Account was Banned without ever being Reinstated. I was expecting an apology for the extended Suspension and a full Reinstatement, but got BANNED instead. For a little while, it looked like Sabre was headed that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146Should be fixed now. Since it was just a link error, I'm sure they won't mind that I did it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
How did Gundy not get into trouble with the WOV Admins for the disgusting post he made about Maids? I thought,"EEW!" When I read his post. I got a two week Suspension on WOV when I was merely trying to help a Newbie with a Progressive Question (I miscalculated how much coin in is needed to get a Progressive and I was suddenly thrown out the door for two weeks! Gundy's disgusting post about Maids is definitely worth a Suspension if merely miscalculating coin in for a Progressive is worth a two week Suspension... His post is WAY worse than my Progressive coin in advice was.
That post was like, 45 minutes ago. Probably hasn't been seen yet.
Go choke on a dick ya dumb cuntQuote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
What's wrong with telling how casino maids stick the guest's toothbrush into their vagina?
They all do it, don't they?
That must be true, I read it on the internet.
I have every right to be angry that my miscalculated Coin In Advice to the Newbie about The Progressive got me a two week Suspension but Gundy was able to make a way worse post than mine was and got off Scot free...Quote:
Originally Posted by mcapGo choke on a dick ya dumb cuntQuote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
Quote:
Originally Posted by TashaI have every right to be angry that my miscalculated Coin In Advice to the Newbie about The Progressive got me a two week Suspension but Gundy was able to make a way worse post than mine was and got off Scot free...Quote:
Originally Posted by mcapGo choke on a dick ya dumb cuntQuote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
This is why you are called a cunt and worse. You never quit whining and whining and whining about how unfair you were treated over there. The exact same stupid shit you post here is what they got sick of over there. You are just too stupid to understand it.
And the odds are the “newbie” was probably you talking to was yourself as I and others have busted you for in the past. You won’t give up your old tricks and are still creating socks, including using Smartburger recently.
Stop complaining life isn’t fair. You want to create interesting content, start doing trip records on your casino play. People would love to hear the machines you played, for what amounts and if you won or lost on a trip. Best advice anyone else gave you, but like other advice given over the years, you’ll ignore it.
Well folks, there you have it: proof positive that at WoV black lives DON'T matter.Quote:
I have every right to be angry that my miscalculated Coin In Advice to the Newbie about The Progressive got me a two week Suspension but Gundy was able to make a way worse post than mine was and got off Scot free...
Boz, I was not the Newbie I gave the miscalculated Coin in Advice to! And I am NOT Starburger! Please stop saying that! And I do talk about my Casino Trips..Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozQuote:
Originally Posted by TashaI have every right to be angry that my miscalculated Coin In Advice to the Newbie about The Progressive got me a two week Suspension but Gundy was able to make a way worse post than mine was and got off Scot free...Quote:
Originally Posted by mcap
This is why you are called a cunt and worse. You never quit whining and whining and whining about how unfair you were treated over there. The exact same stupid shit you post here is what they got sick of over there. You are just too stupid to understand it.
And the odds are the “newbie” was probably you talking to was yourself as I and others have busted you for in the past. You won’t give up your old tricks and are still creating socks, including using Smartburger recently.
Stop complaining life isn’t fair. You want to create interesting content, start doing trip records on your casino play. People would love to hear the machines you played, for what amounts and if you won or lost on a trip. Best advice anyone else gave you, but like other advice given over the years, you’ll ignore it.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ACF6VLQ1nnoLMA4m6
I looked up Nathan on WOV, trying to look up my posts on WOV and was directed to the Poll asking whether or not I should be reinstated and look at how many People voted for me to be Reinstated...:D
So, BillRyan is Suspended for posting,"The only person you have bamboozled is Wizard." But the ACTUAL post is nowhere to be found. When you click on "Personal Insult," bear Billryan's name on The Suspension List, the link leads you to an MDAWG post about Win Statements, NOT a Billryan Post. Even when Wizard "Linked," the Billryan Post in the actual thread, it leads to the same MDAWG post about Win Statements, NOT a Billryan Post. I clicked on the "Bill Ryan Post," from both the Suspension List and Wizard himself, and here is what I see
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/bi7grCYxT4RQZPvC9
A Billy shit after eating a free burger at HA Grill might be the only thing that smells worse than your snatch. But I’m willing to let you argue his dump is worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
This is your finest dandy to date Boz. Since you've been actively decimating Tasha on the regular for many months and Wynnpleasure aka JWT has vanished due to being given the door prize, you are now in sole possession of 2nd place. The buck stops here though, the top ranking is completely unprecedented territory, a physical absolute impossibility. Congrats on this impressive achievement Boz, a legendary warrior !Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozA Billy shit after eating a free burger at HA Grill might be the only thing that smells worse than your snatch. But I’m willing to let you argue his dump is worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
To clarify, even though Boz was by far the most creative and comical in regards to the overall treatment of Tasha, he lacks in a few of the "special categories" that others excelled at, in order to overachive tremendously, due to not being funny whatsoever. It's a very complex rating system, with a number of variables, that doesn't just focus on comedy alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by OzzyThis is your finest dandy to date Boz. Since you've been actively decimating Tasha on the regular for many months and Wynnpleasure aka JWT has vanished due to being given the door prize, you are now in sole possession of 2nd place. The buck stops here though, the top ranking is completely unprecedented territory, a physical absolute impossibility. Congrats on this impressive achievement Boz, a legendary warrior !Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozA Billy shit after eating a free burger at HA Grill might be the only thing that smells worse than your snatch. But I’m willing to let you argue his dump is worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
Hmm. Multiple People seem to think that Wynnpleasure was Jeffrey Toll. But I don't see Jeffrey making unfunny Anti Semite jokes like Wynnpleasure was making.Quote:
Originally Posted by OzzyThis is your finest dandy to date Boz. Since you've been actively decimating Tasha on the regular for many months and Wynnpleasure aka JWT has vanished due to being given the door prize, you are now in sole possession of 2nd place. The buck stops here though, the top ranking is completely unprecedented territory, a physical absolute impossibility. Congrats on this impressive achievement Boz, a legendary warrior !Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozA Billy shit after eating a free burger at HA Grill might be the only thing that smells worse than your snatch. But I’m willing to let you argue his dump is worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
Alan crying about his reputation being compared to MDawg over their extraordinary experiences. Note Alan only observed it compared to MD being blessed with his. Alan being concerned with his “reputation” on these forums is a good morning laugh.
This explains a lot. If anyone has at least a half-decent life, then what others say about you on online forums or the reputation you believe you have is somehow being tarnished, then the banter of others wouldn't mean squat.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
It's amazing watching certain people think they can build themselves a real life respected reputation on gambling forums, when these same people find it impossible to not blab about their personal, family, or health problems to an audience of several dozen Don Rickles'. They do get what they ask for.
I want to comment on this "coach's challenge" that wizard made on behalf and in cohoots with Mdawg. The problem is Wizard is not the coach....he is the referee. His hand is on the scale and he is the one making the decision....thus he can't be a participant. It would be like if the coach got to make the challenge and got to be the one making the decision. What Wizard has done is dishonest on behalf of someone he now openly supports, colludes and strategizes with behind the scene.
That 4 or 5 different members and these are legitimate members, Sabre, Axelwolf, redlittlerooster I believe, remembers Mdawg saying something, carries weight to me. Now I don't know if Sabre bothered looking through Mdawgs thousands of posts as Wizard demanded. (I hope not). But it appears Oncedear did. I believe Oncedear also said he remembered Mdawg saying the same thing, but couldn't find it.
So here is my question: How does anyone KNOW Wizard didn't remove the statement in question? I have been on a forum where that occurred, not only to me, but to others and I wouldn't put it past Wizard as he is now part of this Mdawg scam as far as I am concerned.
Oncedear, because you at least occasionally read this forum, let me ask you, if Wizard had removed or altered a statement would you as a fellow moderator be able to see that or is there a way it could be hidden from even other moderators? I am not asking your opinion as to if this occurred, I am asking if it is possible?
Shack should just create a "Voodoo Section" like Norm has on bjtf.
Shackleford's whole forum is now voodoo because he allowed and now supports and is even participating in a voodoo claim that defies math, reality and the way things work in Las Vegas. Shackleford has has now crossed into troll territory and should at the very least step down from all moderation and administrative activity. If he is going to troll and I consider his comments about Alan an act of trolling, and participate, support this kind of scam, he should be just anther member, carrying no extra weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
What kind of life must you have when this idiotic and petty stuff about the actions and words of other people, affects & controls your life so much? What a pathetic, weak, insecure little minion you are!
Singer, you went to an RV dealership to pose in an RV pretending it was yours trying to impress "other people", none of whom bought your bullshit. That makes you the weakest, most pathetic, insecure little minion this forum or any forum has ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
So seriously Rob...just shut the fuck up!
:) You just can't take it, can you. Responding with The Big Lie makes a weasel like you appear even weaker. How many gambling forum addicts can't leave behind a forum who just doesn't want their bs posted any longer? And for a weakling like you who's admitted to being an unhealthy fairy, to continue worrying what other people say, is a very sad epitaph indeed. Why don't you just end the misery yourself with the rope of freedom? No one will know, I promise, for at least two weeks!
You're missing the lesson here, kewlJ. It's fine to post nonsensical, embarrassing lies if you don't care what people think. But if you tell the truth because you think people deserve the truth, then you're weak and pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJSinger, you went to an RV dealership to pose in an RV pretending it was yours trying to impress "other people", none of whom bought your bullshit. That makes you the weakest, most pathetic, insecure little minion this forum or any forum has ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
So seriously Rob...just shut the fuck up!
See?
It's fine to publicly promote your negative expectation special plays and such as a winner because you don't care what people think. It's fine to then say you lied for years about your special plays as a cover for your double up hokum because you don't care what people think. And it's fine to pose in an RV dealership as if you own a Newell because...you guessed it, you don't care what people think.
Now those poor saps who go through life telling the truth about what they do, they care what people think. So they are clearly weak and pathetic because why would you tell the truth unless you care what people think?
Eventually, kewlJ, you'll catch on.
My goodness you got angry fast when the truth is pointed out. An angry, bitter old dude full of regret. That is Rob Singer (among others).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
The funniest part of this exchange is redietz chiming in--with kew tagging along doggie-style of course--as a self-proclaimed truth teller....
Your 2 favorite targets that got the biggest lambasting from you. Max on the other hand has given you much more difficulty. Battle of comedic wits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Not concerned about that oz. I see max as someone with at least a head on his shoulders who tries to make an AP living in LV as far as that can take him. His problem with me stems from his disbelief in my play strategy years, which is fine because we can all believe what we like about others' gambling claims. He also inaccurately pins a lot of his opinions about me based on the interior Newell pics that wasn't mine but was almost exactly the same. If he and kew had come over here when I provided the address as they had promised to do, it would have all been cleared up, because it was actual proof without claims of "photoshopping" and "fake docs" etc.. By not coming over, they can keep lying. What makes this irrelevant is the $505k I got from the sale.Quote:
Originally Posted by OzzyYour 2 favorite targets that got the biggest lambasting from you. Max on the other hand has given you much more difficulty. Battle of comedic wits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I don't believe redietz is comfortable around, chatting with, or posting with people who aren't as politically depraved as he is. Most people understand what a weirdo he is and they can almost feel how trapped and disgusted his ex wife was up until she killed herself as a means of escape from this deranged and self-loathing person. Kew OTOH is a very troubled, going nowhere half person. That explains his long lectures about himself and MDawg here, and his no-real-life existence in the real world.
With kew and his bud red it's a bit different. Red's Wiseguy baloney put him in bullshit territory years ago, and his belief that liberal academia has so much more knowledge and common sense than most because of theory and power-craving is as foolish as he is.
And no red----my special plays that deviate from expert strategy were not a lie. I used them successfully for four full years, and I trained others on them.
Compare that to your bs about being a world-class handicapper and legendary tournament winner 20-40 years ago, when neither they or you can be found on the internet.
No wonder you wear loafers....
After reading some of the shit here I had to go over to WoV and see whats been going on. Absolutely hysterically funny. All assclowns now with Wiz the head assclown.
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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Quick note:
In 2020 (I may be wrong, but I think that was last year), let's see:
1) Tied for sixth out of a couple thousand in the Northbet no-spread NFL contest.
2) Tied for sixth in 2020 in the Heritage Race to the Super Bowl, which I won about five years ago. Featured no spread NFL and primetime NFL totals.
3) Tied for second in the Youwager NFL ATS contest (out of roughly 250).
4) Top 10 in the no spread NFL contest run by Rob's old employer, Gaming Today. Roughly 20,000 entrants. I entered it because I love Gaming Today.
I'm torn on loafers. I try to have one pair of loafers in each color -- grey, tan, black, and brown. But I prefer more formal shoes. Not a fan of wingtips in general. Here's the only wingtip I considered lately:
https://www.josbank.com/p/joseph-abb...ingtip-oxfords
I like plain toe Oxfords the best, I suppose. I'm a simple man. I think Off Saks Fifth shoes tend to be a bit pricey for me. I'm good with the Oxfords at Jos. A. Banks. I think this antiqued brown goes with almost anything.
https://www.josbank.com/p/joseph-abb...ap-toe-oxfords
But I defer to Rob. If he wants me in loafers at his funeral, I'll wear loafers.
If I were trying to lounge in the Newell at the RV dealership down the road from my daughter's place, I'd probably wear these:
https://www.saksoff5th.com/product/d...lor=ROSSO_NERO
I'm not sure what the return policy is on smoking slippers, but I think they'd really add to the Newell ambience. Worth the risk. Unless you're buying RV Trader ads based on discount rates. Then I guess times would be too tough to splurge on ambience.
Well, what do you know!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Singer is finally after a year and a half coming clean about what everyone already knows (in large part due to MaxPen), that Rob fabricated the whole Newell picture thing. Who the fuck didn't KNOW that?!?
And let's be clear why this Newell attempted fraud that has blown up was important. After Singer did that interview with Shackleford last spring about the double up bug claim, in which he looked so horrendous, both physically and full of shit-wise, BOTH forum owners, Shackleford and Dan Druff pressure Singer for some kind of proof to as to the double up bug, Singer came up with the Newell as what he did with the money and then attempted the scam with the pictures that he is now admitting. THAT is why the Newell thing matters! No Newell. No double up Bug!
I remember straight up asking shortly after Rob posted those Newell RV pictures why he looked stiff, uncomfortable, and unhappy in those RV pictures and added something like,"Shouldn't Rob look relaxed, comfortable, and happy in these RV pictures? He should be SMILING, not FROWNING. Something doesn't seem right with these RV Pictures."Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJWell, what do you know!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Singer is finally after a year and a half coming clean about what everyone already knows (in large part due to MaxPen), that Rob fabricated the whole Newell picture thing. Who the fuck didn't KNOW that?!?
And let's be clear why this Newell attempted fraud that has blown up was important. After Singer did that interview with Shackleford last spring about the double up bug claim, in which he looked so horrendous, both physically and full of shit-wise, BOTH forum owners, Shackleford and Dan Druff pressure Singer for some kind of proof to as to the double up bug, Singer came up with the Newell as what he did with the money and then attempted the scam with the pictures that he is now admitting. THAT is why the Newell thing matters! No Newell. No double up Bug!
Wake up to read more of Alan’s life advice for others to have a happy retirement. Brings up a buddy who lost a 200k job at 62 and doesn’t know if he has enough money to live. Spoiler alert, if you made that money and don’t have enough invested in the market since the 80’s, you Fucked up.
He seemed to be obsessed with the Comp thread with over 20 posts in the thread. I guess it gives him a sense of nostalgia back to his “high roller” VP and Craps playing days at Caesars. Now he’s giving advice on how important it is to get what most would consider extra cash from SS compared to their investment income in retirement.
I know Dan doesn’t like the Alan discussion over here but it’s hard when the guy walks around forums with a “Kick Me” sign on his back.
The broader argument that this person makes about security of a weekly paycheck, benefits such as health benefits and secure retirement is really not specific to advantage players. That argument applied to anyone going into business for themselves or starting their own business. Supplying your own health and retirement benefits is part of the cost of going into business for one self and that is very unappealing to people who have that "play it safe" mentality.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
If is kind of funny that on this forum, this person's views are shared by Rob Singer, Blackhole, and several other outspoken anti-AP members. They just can't comprehend deviation from the safe, steady, "put in 40 years and retire" mentality. And when other take the risks that they were unwilling to and succeed, the grow very bitter and angry.
If he's Alan's buddy he probably meet him at the crapshit table and that's the reason he doesn’t know if he has enough money to live.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
200K a year should be more than enough to save a nice amount of money unless you're foolish or there's some extraordinary circumstances. But if that's the case there was no real reason to mention it anyways.
Of course, this is how Alan always puts his foot in his mouth, he wants to prove a point and then comes up with nonsense to back up his point not realizing just how retarded and unlikely it is. I just find it simply amazing how the same guys always seem to run into super unlikely things.
Getting Alan’s advice on money and retirement planning is about the same as getting advice from Tasha/Nathan on personal hygieneQuote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Anyone who makes anywhere near 200k/year over 20+ years, who doesn't have a pot to piss in, is a complete fuck up. Absolutely pathetic !
If you choose to live an unproductive, basically paltry life that's consistently based on risk, it's because you had bad guidance from the beginning and/or your life goals are anything but lofty. Easy to see why you depend so much on and then get so rattled by what others think of you and your stories. And then to claim knowledge of any other type of making a living while never even having the opportunity to acquaint yourself with it, is poor speculation and disingenuous to the point of once again trying desperately to appear to know what you're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJThe broader argument that this person makes about security of a weekly paycheck, benefits such as health benefits and secure retirement is really not specific to advantage players. That argument applied to anyone going into business for themselves or starting their own business. Supplying your own health and retirement benefits is part of the cost of going into business for one self and that is very unappealing to people who have that "play it safe" mentality.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
If is kind of funny that on this forum, this person's views are shared by Rob Singer, Blackhole, and several other outspoken anti-AP members. They just can't comprehend deviation from the safe, steady, "put in 40 years and retire" mentality. And when other take the risks that they were unwilling to and succeed, the grow very bitter and angry.
I'm not very familiar with blackhole's or even Alan's work or gambling histories and I, like most, don't really care about them. You see kew, you're worse than a nosey old lady when trying to come up with life scenarios of others who do things differently than you. Why do others' lives and gambling approaches affect you so much? Oh that's right....most queers are inherently insecure, so you need to create what failures other more successful people are in your mind before you can have any type of peace. Did you ever notice how the only things you believe about others are the negative things you concoct about them---and the only things you don't believe about them are their successes?
No wonder you pathetically live on internet forums.
Don't be ridiculous. I believe most of the AP's here, mickeycrimm, Axelwolf, jbjb, MaxPen, Monet, mission and anyone else, professional or not, who shares anything about what they do or make APing, because the math works, which is the very same reason I don't believe you and your progressive betting, special plays, math defying BS. MDawg right there in the same boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
As far as what people who claim to have made a lot of money outside AP, I have no idea. Blackhole may have made the good money he claimed. YOU may have made the money you claim. Although I have never seen the guy claiming to be a former TV news personality on TV, I suspect he made good money throughout his career. While I don't know and don't really care about what people made or make outside of AP (this is a gambling forum that is my interest, not if someone worked for the government or whatever), all I know is there is something wrong with this particular group claiming to have done so well in life, but yet so bitter at AP's that make money from casinos. Something isn't adding up.
As far as you insinuating that I don't believe or have a problem with people that make more than me, that is absurd. Almost every professional AP on these forums, makes more than me. The only one I can think of that doesn't is someone who claims to be the greatest, ironically. Even some part-time AP's make more than me, so you attempting to paint me as jealous, just doesn't fly Grandpa. Let's just keep it real. I don't believe YOU because you math doesn't work and you have lied about claims a bazillion times. Good example.....see below. :rolleyes:
You're stepping outside of your comfort zone. Otherwise, you wouldn't have missed where I was talking about "people who do things differently than you".Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJDon't be ridiculous. I believe most of the AP's here, mickeycrimm, Axelwolf, jbjb, MaxPen, Monet, mission and anyone else, professional or not, who shares anything about what they do or make APing, because the math works, which is the very same reason I don't believe you and your progressive betting, special plays, math defying BS. MDawg right there in the same boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
As far as what people who claim to have made a lot of money outside AP, I have no idea. Blackhole may have made the good money he claimed. YOU may have made the money you claim. Although I have never seen the guy claiming to be a former TV news personality on TV, I suspect he made good money throughout his career. While I don't know and don't really care about what people made or make outside of AP (this is a gambling forum that is my interest, not if someone worked for the government or whatever), all I know is there is something wrong with this particular group claiming to have done so well in life, but yet so bitter at AP's that make money from casinos. Something isn't adding up.
As far as you insinuating that I don't believe or have a problem with people that make more than me, that is absurd, as almost anything you say these days are. Almost every professional AP on these forums, makes more than me. The only one I can think of that doesn't is someone who claims to be the greatest, ironically. Even some part-time AP's make more than me, so you attempting to paint me as jealous, just doesn't fly Grandpa.
And yes, you do come off as EXTREMELY jealous of other more successful people, whether they got there via real jobs, gambling, or however. If you weren't, you'd never, ever be roaming around various internet gambling forums wasting all your time like a nosey old lady worrying about everyone else's business.
Wise up.
Listen to THIS GUY, a failed AP, who made up stories for 2 decades, changing, altering and growing them along the way, talking about anyone else being EXTREMELY JEALOUS. Precious!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Rob you really should never tell anyone to "wise up" because honestly you are about the dumbest fuck ever if you think you have or are fooling anyone. So how about YOU wise the fuck up. :)
Alan has forwarded me a post by axel on a forum that may be from here or more probably from some other forum that I don't read because I've not seen it. Axel asks why anyone with a successful gambling system would need a retirement plan in the first place?
Herein lies the typical type of disconnect among different factions. First, is he referring to AP's, who mostly claim some type of lower 6-figure success of some sort. Or is he referring to someone like myself, who had/has success gaming within a "system" (outside of when I "cheated")?
Well I'll say it loud and clear: I don't exactly know how people make liveable money playing on "teams" but if it's anything like Frank Kneeland explained then there's a lot of government support included. Regardless, $100-$200k/year can never be counted on to continue, and unless you're mickecrimm living in a place where a good life can be had for far less, that amount these days hardly cuts it for city dwellers. And I don't believe for one minute that people who live on gambling's edge put one cent into retirement plans. They all live for today, and if they don't have some other type of support system then their declining years will be very tough indeed.
Finally, if axel was referring to me then he doesn't understand. I didn't start pro gambling until after my and my wife's retirements we're fully secured from our years of real work....or else it would have been very dumb and irresponsible to begin in the first place.
Everybody has a different approach. It was never right for me to continue to pick on AP's but I had my reasons, whether you want to believe it or not. And NOBODY really knows anything about anyone else unless and until they walk 24/7 in their shoes.
I left Boz out from above discussion...sorry Boz. Boz is a guy that claims to have done well in life outside of APing and I absolutely believe him. Why wouldn't I?
Left Redietz out too. Redietz is interesting. As my recreational sports betting results show, I don't know much about sports betting. I might as well just flip a coin for my picks and then just mail in my Vig. :D
I know even less about HOW a professional sport bettor operates and the contests and all that. But I believe redietz claims, as I have no reason not to. And for those of you that want to respond with some of his other views that you may find unbelievable...don't bother. I am able to separate that out. If you can't that is on you.