Another one......

These are great, I love it.

We'll take two guys. One guy has never played roulette in his life, knows little about the game. The other guy has played roulette for 30 years, knows every tiny detail of the game. Has seen it all, lots of experience etc.

They both get a 10K BR (roulette only). They both have to bet 3 numbers every spin. Yes, they can chart numbers FIRST if they so desire.

All bets must be $10 per, no more and no less. So, both guys should lose their BR around the SAME time, correct? Maybe not on the same day but close, correct? If "maybe not", why? (No, there is not a tilted wheel, cough)

Ken

Variance variance variance.

"Variance variance variance" >>> I love how some posters dance around the question. Should both guys lose their BR around the same time?

In terms of trials (your variance BS), this TEST would be done over 100 trials, same rules. So maybe 50/50? The newbie would blow his BR around half of the time FASTER than the other guy, correct?

Ken

You ask a specific question and you received the correct answer as to why they would not necessarily go bankrupt at the same time. Are you another mathematically challenged dude?

Variance/luck might actually result in quite a difference in time before both lose their bankroll. I really don't see a lof of skill involved in playing roulette, It is what it is "a true game of chance". I regularly see people get all frustrated about playing a certain number for 20 or more spins. And just when they stop betting that number it hits. Then they claim the game is rigged, I would just call it tuff luck. Just my two cents.

"You ask a specific question and you received the correct answer as to why they would not necessarily go bankrupt at the same time. Are you another mathematically challenged dude?" >>> You answered with one word....variance. I bit vague, no? So I thought, ok, the question is now OVER 100 trials instead of one.

That way, I dont have to hear about one guy getting REAL LUCKY during one of the trials. Since you are a coward, I'll answer it the way YOU WOULD ANSWER >> Yes Ken, over the 100 trials, it'll end up around 50/50, one guy does not have an ADVANTAGE over the other. (was that so tough?)


Do I agree with you? Of course not.

Ken

The real truth.....you dont actually believe its 50/50 but the anti-method AGENDA has to stay alive. Its funny how the guys that are anti-methods, just so happen to of spent the LEAST amount of TIME studying roulette. Hmmmm.....

Ken

mr jjj the point is, if I may speak for the others, is that we recognize that if you have two guys each making 3 $10 bets, one of those guys is going to get lucky and hit. The player who gets lucky might get very lucky and break the casino, or both guys might both be unlucky and bust at the same time. So "variance" is really the shorthanded way to respond to your question.

But you haven't answered mine: what makes any particular number show using your method? Why would the third number in a "street" come up on the next spin to make it worthwhile that I bet on it? Does the wheel or ball have a memory? Does the wheel or a ball follow a pattern? Are numbers due?

Backing out of this one. Not too comfortable with the direction it's heading.

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Backing out of this one. Not too comfortable with the direction it's heading.

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Curious, why? What am I missing.

By the way: I did check mr jjj and his IP address and it is unique for all of the participants on the forum... just in case anyone is wondering.

mr jjj the point is, if I may speak for the others, is that we recognize that if you have two guys each making 3 $10 bets, one of those guys is going to get lucky and hit. The player who gets lucky might get very lucky and break the casino, or both guys might both be unlucky and bust at the same time. So "variance" is really the shorthanded way to respond to your question.

But you haven't answered mine: what makes any particular number show using your method? Why would the third number in a "street" come up on the next spin to make it worthwhile that I bet on it? Does the wheel or ball have a memory? Does the wheel or a ball follow a pattern? Are numbers due? >>>>>>>>>


I answered you already but I can do so AGAIN, no problem. I agree with you, one guy might get LUCKY and that throws everything off, I AGREE !!!!!


But I said over 100 trials. So are you saying the same guy would get lucky over ALL 100 trials? Do I hear 500 trials?

"come up on the next spin?" >>> (I dont use the word DUE, ever) I answered this TWICE, TWICE, TWICE but thats cool. I never said a particular number *WILL* hit on the next spin, show me where I said that please. I look at whats best to bet over "X" number of spins, not the next spin. There are 12 streets (actually more but we'll say 12, I dont want your head to explode), you will not have a LONG STRETCH of numbers without a COMPLETE street hitting.

You forgot something I said a few days ago. You guys will not scare me away. Ban me if you need to but I won't shut-up, aint gonna happen. I win and you dont. Accept this and move on. Dont blame me for your failings at roulette. I have put in THOUSANDS THOUSANDS of hours TESTING/STUDYING this game, how much time have you put in? Just curious.

I'm off to meet up with the woman.....buffet at the casino. Oh Oh, the casino. Roulette will pay for our meals, again. Thank God for gamblers fallacy. I owe ya one J.C.

Ken

You're not going to get banned here for coming up with controversial ideas.

I have this question: since roulette is a one spin, or one bet at a time game, what good is your "method" if it can't tell me that the number will hit on the next spin?

In craps, a bet on the 4, for example, can survive indefinitely even if a shooter fails to roll a 4. But in roulette, a bet on 4 must hit on the next spin or the wager is lost.

He won't need to be banned. Eventually he will be ignored because his system and claims are so ridiculous. his act is already old. He makes Rob's system and claims look like the goods.

I should add that I believe he may have won at times--but that is blind luck as the math is the math and, barring a biased wheel or dealer, the system is rubbish.

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"You ask a specific question and you received the correct answer as to why they would not necessarily go bankrupt at the same time. Are you another mathematically challenged dude?" >>> You answered with one word....variance. I bit vague, no? So I thought, ok, the question is now OVER 100 trials instead of one.

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If you understood anything about random trials the one word was completely sufficient. But, have you asked any questions? All you do is assert silly nonsense that is laughable to anyone with a brain. Heck, you can't even figure out how to use the quote facility.

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That way, I dont have to hear about one guy getting REAL LUCKY during one of the trials. Since you are a coward, I'll answer it the way YOU WOULD ANSWER >> Yes Ken, over the 100 trials, it'll end up around 50/50, one guy does not have an ADVANTAGE over the other. (was that so tough?)

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No, that is not how any person with any mathematics training would answer. That is why variance is important. It has nothing to do with an advantage.

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Do I agree with you? Of course not.

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Gee, what a surprise. Some obviously clueless dude comes along and claims they are smarter than all the mathematicians in the world.

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He won't need to be banned. Eventually he will be ignored because his system and claims are so ridiculous. his act is already old. He makes Rob's system and claims look like the goods.

I should add that I believe he may have won at times--but that is blind luck as the math is the math and, barring a biased wheel or dealer, the system is rubbish.

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There's another possibility. There are people that claim you can "read" dealers. He may very well have run into some dealer bias situations and by tracking the events he has stumbled onto a technique that deciphers the bias. Not likely, but still a possibility.

Dealer bias and signature numbers in roulette are real. I've written about this several times. I was at a demonstration at a Strip Casino where a dealer was able to target a group of four numbers and hit it. As I said, this was for "demonstration purposes only" but it happened.

I am not a roulette player myself (okay, played it twice) and I think there are house rules about how a dealer is supposed to release the ball without looking at the wheel. Can someone confirm this?

Oh, and about the two times I was at a roulette table:
1. My very first time in my life in Vegas. My girl friend bet $5 on red. She missed. We went to dinner.
2. About 8 years ago I went to LV during Memorial Weekend so my son could get a free room with his GF. (I had to be there.) I had a very small budget for the trip since I was there the week before with my wife. I lost my budgeted amount on the first day and couldn't get a flight out because of the holiday. So with $20 went to roulette and bet red or black and built it up to $80. Then went to a craps table and caught a hot roll (another player shot). And I was back in business.

"You're not going to get banned here for coming up with controversial ideas" >>> Thats cool but I won't be scared off, that I know. I have an idea.....why dont I get together all of my PROFITS over the years and give it back to the casino? Maybe start from scratch.

Ken

"I have this question: since roulette is a one spin, or one bet at a time game, what good is your "method" if it can't tell me that the number will hit on the next spin" >>> I assume you are not messing with me and you are serious with this question. I have had dozens of anti-method guys on me for years and not one of them has ever asked regarding the NEXT spin, never. They have attacked regarding results over "X" number of spins, I admit that. I have never heard the.....next spin debate before.

Ken

"By the way: I did check mr jjj and his IP address and it is unique for all of the participants on the forum... just in case anyone is wondering" >>> Say what?? (lol)

Ken

"In craps, a bet on the 4, for example, can survive indefinitely even if a shooter fails to roll a 4. But in roulette, a bet on 4 must hit on the next spin or the wager is lost" >>> Like I said, I know NOTHING in regards to craps, so I cant really relate. As for roulette, why must my #4 HIT on the next spin or I lose the wager, says who?

Ken

"He won't need to be banned. Eventually he will be ignored because his system and claims are so ridiculous. his act is already old. He makes Rob's system and claims look like the goods.

I should add that I believe he may have won at times--but that is blind luck as the math is the math and, barring a biased wheel or dealer, the system is rubbish" >>>

A) Its a method, not a system.

B) For now, I only posted one method, there may be more to follow.

C) If you dont agree with this method(s), dont play them. Problem solved on your end.

D) I'm not going anywhere so get comfortable.

E) "Lucky" is for how long? I thought the same thing for quite awhile but AT SOME POINT (a line) it passes over luck and into something else. A guy cannot get THAT LUCKY for this long. I put in the TIME and you didn't. Cry me a river.

Ken

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"In craps, a bet on the 4, for example, can survive indefinitely even if a shooter fails to roll a 4. But in roulette, a bet on 4 must hit on the next spin or the wager is lost" >>> Like I said, I know NOTHING in regards to craps, so I cant really relate. As for roulette, why must my #4 HIT on the next spin or I lose the wager, says who?

Ken

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I don't know what rules your casino has, but if you bet on #4 in any casino I know of and it doesn't hit, your chips are swept away.

I have to agree with a2a3dseddie on this one. I thought all bets on a roulette table are one spin bets. If you have a bet on 4 in roulette and the 4 doesn't hit on the next spin of the wheel you lose your chips. mr jjj did you not understand the question or is there something we don't know?

"If you understood anything about random trials the one word was completely sufficient. But, have you asked any questions? All you do is assert silly nonsense that is laughable to anyone with a brain. Heck, you can't even figure out how to use the quote facility" >>> I do know how to use it, I just dont care about it and I know more about message boards than you'll ever know.

And *NO* you did not answer me. I know your type hotshot, you DANCE AROUND the question and try to pawn it off as if you answered something. You get "tricky" with your answers and then say....."See, see I answered you Ken but you cant figure it out". (lol)

I asked the question(s) in VERY SIMPLE WORDING so that you can NOT dodge it but STILL, you ignore me. I said it before...I agree if we are talking about 1 or 2 trials....I AGREE WITH YOU........but when I say, lets make it 100-200 trials, are you still gonna tell me that one guy can have all the luck on his side for MOST of the trials, are you on medication?

Very simple, a newbie player, he knows nothing vs. the 30 year roulette player, each has a 10K BR, 3 numbers betting, $10 per number etc etc etc etc etc.......instead of giving me your VIEWPOINT, you dance around it like the coward that you are. Say whats on your mind, I would have more RESPECT for you, at least that would be an ANSWER.

Ken

mr jjj Arc did answer you in the same way Arc answers a lot of questions... and he did nothing wrong. By saying "variance" he simply said that anything could happen with the two players in your example and everyone should agree with that because anything could happen with the scenario you gave us.

"I don't know what rules your casino has, but if you bet on #4 in any casino I know of and it doesn't hit, your chips are swept away" >>> (lol) that way.
Now this is my way......I have 36 spins to hit that 4 (break even) and 18 spins (break even) combined with another number to hit that 4. Soooo, do I really have to hit the 4 with *ONE* spin to get a profit? Hmmmmm


Ken

I won't be participating in anything else involving triple j, but try out this link from the Wizard so you know what you're dealing with:

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/quest...ulet-chalenge/

Can't wait for rob to return so we have realistic claims of success on negative games

"By saying "variance" he simply said that anything could happen with the two players in your example and everyone should agree with that because anything could happen with the scenario you gave us" >>> Yes, I know what variance means. So we are now talking about the ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN IN ROULETTE debate, thats great. How silly should we get tonight? The reds could hit for...

287,604,365,211,764,387 spins in a row? Anything can happen, right?

In 100 trials (10K per trial, per man), I'm not even saying the 30 year PRO will beat out the newbie in all trials, thats just plain BS but for a person to throw a LABEL of....."anything can happen Ken". Wow, simply wow.

Ken

mr jjj the same way you criticized Arcimedes for not giving you a straight answer, we can ciriticize you now for not giving us a straight answer about the bet on #4.

But here's the problem I have with your method: I don't think the method is very valuable when you have 36 spins to break even... that doesn't do me much good.

"Can't wait for rob to return so we have realistic claims of success on negative games" >>> My threads are all over the place, so what? I never HIDE behind different user names, its not my thing. Speaking of negative games regnis, what casino games do you play? You already know where I'm going with this so buckle up for safety and enjoy the ride sir.


Ken

Let's start over, mr jjj. If you have a method that wins tell us the method again and explain the actual betting strategy. And most important: tell us why it wins? Some of this might be redundant, but I'd like to start over. Thanks.

"mr jjj the same way you criticized Arcimedes for not giving you a straight answer, we can ciriticize you now for not giving us a straight answer about the bet on #4" >>> ?? Its three posts up.

"But here's the problem I have with your method: I don't think the method is very valuable when you have 36 spins to break even... that doesn't do me much good" >>> Ok, I can change it for you, in 35 spins, we now have a profit, better? I was saying....I would rather break even than to lose.

Ken

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"I don't know what rules your casino has, but if you bet on #4 in any casino I know of and it doesn't hit, your chips are swept away" >>> (lol) that way.
Now this is my way......I have 36 spins to hit that 4 (break even) and 18 spins (break even) combined with another number to hit that 4. Soooo, do I really have to hit the 4 with *ONE* spin to get a profit? Hmmmmm

Ken

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My response was to what you said earlier.

"As for roulette, why must my #4 HIT on the next spin or I lose the wager, says who?"

The casino says you lose that's who. Now if you're talking about the next 18 or 36 spins to make a profit or break even, betting on #4 continuously, that's something else entirely and you're back to claiming that because of the numbers that have come previously, #4 has a greater chance of turning up, making a 35 to 1 payoff profitable on a 37 to 1 longshot.

"Let's start over, mr jjj. If you have a method that wins tell us the method again and explain the actual betting strategy. And most important: tell us why it wins? Some of this might be redundant, but I'd like to start over" >>> Is it breaking forum rules if I ask a question with a question? Here it goes.....what for? The END result will be the same and the METHOD is already posted (somewhere here, lol). I know the tactics, maybe not from you but......Bombard me with TONS of: You cant win Ken and maybe I'll go away. These are rookie tactics, been through it all man. The old GG and WoV.

We dont have alot of choices here but I'll help ya out >>

A) I'm lying.

B) Not lying but the sample of my winnings are too small, have not played enough. (For a NEW player, I would agree with that but I put in my time....lost thousands in the beginning, lost girlfriends because I chose to stay at home and STUDY roulette instead of taking her out, many nights with only 3-4 hours of sleep etc., I put in my time and I won't apologize to anyone.

Sacrifice the same things I did, then we'll be on the same level. I posted this method as a NICE thing to do, not to be attacked and treated like s**t. Everybody is a tough guy on the internet.

Ken

I pasted this response from the other thread since you haven't replied to it.

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As far as "better" numbers go, any comments yet? >>

I have recorded the last 200 spins (00 wheel). I'll pick 3 numbers for you and 3 numbers for myself. The 3 I choose for you are the 3 furthest back hit. The 3 I choose for myself are the MOST hit (hot) in the last 70 spins of that 200.

We bet these 6 numbers for the next 20 spins. We repeat this (with a fresh 200 numbers) over 100 trials and check the results. I have done this ALL MANUALLY, even during Christmas and the TEMPORARILY hot numbers come out ahead constantly.

Ken
Why wouldn't the temporarily hot numbers come out ahead? In the parameters you describe, the numbers you are picking have already appeared more than the statistical norm. Then, you only allow 20 more spins. Over those 220 spins (before starting the next "trial") your 3 numbers were already ahead of any numbers you assigned to us.

Or are you saying that your "hot" numbers will appear more often in the next 20 spins (not collectively over the total 220 spins)?

"#4 has a greater chance of turning up, making a 35 to 1 payoff profitable on a 37 to 1 longshot" >>>

A) Why the #4, did I miss that part or we are picking any number as an example?

B) 38 to 1 longshot. (00 wheel here)

Ken

"I pasted this response from the other thread since you haven't replied to it" >>> Geez, could it be that I'm going in order, NOT TO MENTION, the other questions on OTHER boards.....the countless PMs and emails I get daily. Sorry I didn't drop everything for you. The bombardment won't work fellas, been through it already.

Ken

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"#4 has a greater chance of turning up, making a 35 to 1 payoff profitable on a 37 to 1 longshot" >>>

A) Why the #4, did I miss that part or we are picking any number as an example?

B) 38 to 1 longshot. (00 wheel here)

Ken

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Okay, I think I may be done here with you as well Ken. I think you may just be trolling this site. In post #20 you talked about betting #4 in response to what Alan said. And for all your thousands of hours of study in the field of 00 roulette, the odds of hitting any number are 37 to 1 against you. Not 38 to 1.

Why wouldn't the temporarily hot numbers come out ahead? In the parameters you describe, the numbers you are picking have already appeared more than the statistical norm. Then, you only allow 20 more spins. Over those 220 spins (before starting the next "trial") your 3 numbers were already ahead of any numbers you assigned to us.

Or are you saying that your "hot" numbers will appear more often in the next 20 spins (not collectively over the total 220 spins)? >>>>

"Why wouldn't the temporarily hot numbers come out ahead" >>> They would come out ahead (imo), thats my point. The reason for the question was.....the non-method people say that IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE, everything is equal.....one number is not better than another number etc.

"Over those 220 spins (before starting the next "trial") your 3 numbers were already ahead of any numbers you assigned to us" >>> I'm not saying I am up on you 3-0, we start fresh 0-0. I'll try this a different way. If someone says, IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE, than it should NOT matter what my rules (parameters) are for the experiment, correct, because there can NOT BE ANY type of advantage (so I hear).

Ken

"Okay, I think I may be done here with you as well Ken. I think you may just be trolling this site. In post #20 you talked about betting #4 in response to what Alan said. And for all your thousands of hours of study in the field of 00 roulette, the odds of hitting any number are 37 to 1 against you. Not 38 to 1" >>> No, its 38 to 1. Ohhh, I love that word TROLLING. So if I get 70 posts directed to me and I answer ALL 70, thats trolling?

I love that definition man. As far as the #4, who cares about the 4? I THOUGHT you chose it for NO reason, thats what I was asking. The point stays the same, regardless if its the 4 or 34, whatever. I win and you dont....how does it feel to want?

Ken

Just curious if anybody will be showing PROOF that they do "well" with casino games? Wait, wait I know....the H.E. applies only to me. (lol)

Ken

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Why wouldn't the temporarily hot numbers come out ahead? In the parameters you describe, the numbers you are picking have already appeared more than the statistical norm. Then, you only allow 20 more spins. Over those 220 spins (before starting the next "trial") your 3 numbers were already ahead of any numbers you assigned to us.

Or are you saying that your "hot" numbers will appear more often in the next 20 spins (not collectively over the total 220 spins)? >>>>

"Why wouldn't the temporarily hot numbers come out ahead" >>> They would come out ahead (imo), thats my point. The reason for the question was.....the non-method people say that IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE, everything is equal.....one number is not better than another number etc.

"Over those 220 spins (before starting the next "trial") your 3 numbers were already ahead of any numbers you assigned to us" >>> I'm not saying I am up on you 3-0, we start fresh 0-0. I'll try this a different way. If someone says, IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE, than it should NOT matter what my rules (parameters) are for the experiment, correct, because there can NOT BE ANY type of advantage (so I hear).

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Okay, let me see if I under stand what you are trying to say. We start "fresh" at 0 - 0 and you are betting the "hot" numbers that came up frequently over the past 200 spins, and I am betting "cold" numbers based on the last 200 spins. We bet on the next 20 spins of the wheel. You are saying your numbers will appear more often over those 20 spins than my numbers?

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"Okay, I think I may be done here with you as well Ken. I think you may just be trolling this site. In post #20 you talked about betting #4 in response to what Alan said. And for all your thousands of hours of study in the field of 00 roulette, the odds of hitting any number are 37 to 1 against you. Not 38 to 1" >>> No, its 38 to 1. Ohhh, I love that word TROLLING. So if I get 70 posts directed to me and I answer ALL 70, thats trolling?

I love that definition man. As far as the #4, who cares about the 4? I THOUGHT you chose it for NO reason, thats what I was asking. The point stays the same, regardless if its the 4 or 34, whatever. I win and you dont....how does it feel to want?

Ken

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You have a 1 in 38 chance to hit your number. 1 win and 37 losses. Doesn't that make it 37 to 1?

"Okay, let me see if I under stand what you are trying to say. We start "fresh" at 0 - 0 and you are betting the "hot" numbers that came up frequently over the past 200 spins, and I am betting "cold" numbers based on the last 200 spins. We bet on the next 20 spins of the wheel. You are saying your numbers will appear more often over those 20 spins than my numbers?" >>> Pretty much but you left a couple things out.

A) I pick your numbers FOR YOU, you have no say in the matter. I think I said we both get 3 numbers each (?).

B) Yes, over 20 spins PLUS doing this over many trials......that takes out the BS luck debate. Same question.....would you say we should finish around the same, same results after 100-200 trials?

C) I believe I said I'll choose my hot numbers from the last 70 (?) spins from the 200.

Ken

"You have a 1 in 38 chance to hit your number. 1 win and 37 losses. Doesn't that make it 37 to 1?" >>> No.

00 wheel..... 38 to 1 odds for my number to hit in ONE spin with a 35:1 payout. This isn't tough man.

Ken

So what you believe is that "hot" numbers from the past 70 spins will appear more often in the next 20 spins. And why is that?

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"You have a 1 in 38 chance to hit your number. 1 win and 37 losses. Doesn't that make it 37 to 1?" >>> No.

00 wheel..... 38 to 1 odds for my number to hit in ONE spin with a 35:1 payout. This isn't tough man.

Ken

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Perhaps your understanding of the game isn't what you claim it is. Or perhaps you have difficulty in expressing "odds" the proper way. Yes the payout for hitting a number is 35 to 1. There are 38 numbers on a 00 roulette wheel. 1 of these numbers is yours. The other 37 are not. Hence the odds are 37 to 1 against you. Your chances of hitting a number are 1 in 38.

"There are 38 numbers on a 00 roulette wheel. 1 of these numbers is yours. The other 37 are not. Hence the odds are 37 to 1 against you. Your chances of hitting a number are 1 in 38" >>> Do you know how you can tell you are wrong about this? Because nobody is attacking me and coming to your aid on THIS subject (lol).

Ken

I want to make sure I'm talking with the correct people here >>> Its 37 to 1 odds on a 00 wheel.

No such thing as TEMPORARILY hot numbers vs. VERY cold numbers....its all the same..... you can not take ADVANTAGE of unequal distribution in any form of betting etc. Hmmmm and wow again.

Ken

Yeah Alan, I have to hand it to you. Loads of "experts" here.
WTF have I gotten myself into? (lol)

Ken

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Curious, why? What am I missing.

By the way: I did check mr jjj and his IP address and it is unique for all of the participants on the forum... just in case anyone is wondering.

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Still wondering? New guy, posting like a maniac, extraordinary claims, heated discussions and insults within days. And you thought I was bad news :p (joke of course)

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"There are 38 numbers on a 00 roulette wheel. 1 of these numbers is yours. The other 37 are not. Hence the odds are 37 to 1 against you. Your chances of hitting a number are 1 in 38" >>> Do you know how you can tell you are wrong about this? Because nobody is attacking me and coming to your aid on THIS subject (lol).

Ken

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I've tried to be as civil as possible in responding to your claims. You are the other hand have been condescending and totally disrespectful even though you are completely wrong. So if you want the gloves off and are trying to get a rise out of me, here you go.

Do you have any idea how foolish your claims sound when you proclaim to be a roulette pro? You don't even understand how to express odds correctly or even understand how they apply to the payouts on a roulette table. So let's take this SLOWLY.

You said in post#20 that you would bet on #4. Let's pretend for a moment in a perfect world you start with 38 units, and that after 38 spins each number has come up exactly once. You would have lost 37 times, and won once. Are you still with me?

Your one win would yield you 35 units. You now have 36 units left out of your starting 38 (you get to keep your original bet on your 1 win). What is 2 divided by 38? Why it just happens to be 0.05263 or, multiplying by 100, we get 5.263% or the house edge in roulette.

Let's say me, arci, regnis, Alan, and the Wizard of Odds meet you in a dark alley. There's 6 of us in that alley including you. We want to mug you and steal all your roulette winnings. Are the odds 5 to one against you or 6 to 1 against you?

Now imagine there are 37 men in that alley that you have trolled and pissed off and trolled plus you for a total of 38. We all want a piece of you . Now in your memoirs would you say it was 1 against 38 people, or 1 against 37 people?

Do you know how you can tell you are wrong about this? Because you still work for a living and are not the richest person on the planet. No one has to come to my aid because no one needs to. They all realize how wrong you are and have already started ignoring you (ala regnis). I can't believe I'm still responding.

"Let's say me, arci, regnis, Alan, and the Wizard of Odds meet you in a dark alley" >>> Is this an a** raping situation? I'll be honest buddy, I'm really not into that.

Let me see if I understand how BIAS the members are here. Not one person will tell this nut he is wrong and I am right, not one guy? >>> 00 wheel, do I have a 37 to 1 OR a 38 to 1 chance of my number hitting? Not one brave "player" (cough)?

Hey R2D2 >> If I flip a coin and bet on tails (one time), please dont tell me what my chances are, I dont want to hear it. (lol)

Ken

"Still wondering? New guy, posting like a maniac" >>> You left out the part regarding the maniac posts to me FIRST and THEN I responded. You left that out, thats odd.

Ken

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"Still wondering? New guy, posting like a maniac" >>> You left out the part regarding the maniac posts to me FIRST and THEN I responded. You left that out, thats odd.

Ken

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Interesting reply. Somehow you interpreted this completely wrong. This was not the meaning of my post. You come here, as a newbie, and start slamming WoD/WoV because you were banned there. Then in a couple of days you reach 118 posts. When people don't reply to your posts soon enough you just start "talking to yourself" and at least half of your posts until now have been in "gloves off mode". Let's just leave it at this, I'm not surprised you weren't the most popular poster on the other forum. I'm probably not either around here but I'm trying to better my life.

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Originally Posted by mr jjj

You forgot something I said a few days ago. You guys will not scare me away. Ban me if you need to but I won't shut-up, aint gonna happen. I win and you dont. Accept this and move on. Dont blame me for your failings at roulette. I have put in THOUSANDS THOUSANDS of hours TESTING/STUDYING this game, how much time have you put in? Just curious.
Ken

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@ Alan, I'll leave it at this because I don't feel like being in the middle of a heated discussion again and it appears mr jjj's objective is to create just that. I'm going to put more effort into being less argumentative.

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Originally Posted by a2a3dseddie

let's say me, arci, regnis, alan, and the wizard of odds meet you in a dark alley. There's 6 of us in that alley including you. We want to mug you and steal all your roulette winnings. Are the odds 5 to one against you or 6 to 1 against you?

Now imagine there are 37 men in that alley that you have trolled and pissed off and trolled plus you for a total of 38. We all want a piece of you . Now in your memoirs would you say it was 1 against 38 people, or 1 against 37 people?

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winner!!! winner!!! best post of the week!!!!

"Then in a couple of days you reach 118 posts" >>> .....and that is because? I thought we did this part already, lets try it again. If I get 14 questions/remarks, that'll be 14 more posts. If I get 33 questions/remarks, that'll be 33 more posts. Are you seeing a pattern now coolbreeze?

Ken

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Originally Posted by mr jjj

"Then in a couple of days you reach 118 posts" >>> .....and that is because? I thought we did this part already, lets try it again. If I get 14 questions/remarks, that'll be 14 more posts. If I get 33 questions/remarks, that'll be 33 more posts. Are you seeing a pattern now coolbreeze?

Ken

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Sure, if that's what you want to believe. Enjoy your battles....