Where my support for Rob Singer ended.

I was always critical of Rob Singer for his obnoxious behavior on message boards: I have no tolerance for his disrespect and insults and I knew about his misbehavior even before I met him.

But I was intrigued with his "special plays" and I believed they needed to be explained and even his own books and website failed to explain the special plays. That's why I did the interviews and the videos with him. I think some of his special plays have some value, especially when trip-Aces are presented in certain games. But I leave the choice about using them or not using the special plays to each individual player. Frankly, even Rob has said he doesn't use his special plays as often as I thought he did.

During the course of the interviews I discovered there was more to his overall strategy and clearly I objected to his belief that machines were not random. I did however embrace his strategy for win goals and loss limits and I use them myself.

I think that he is absolutely wrong when he tells players to avoid the benefits and conveniences that casinos offer including player club benefits, credit lines, check cashing, and using cage accounts, and comps. He is just leaving too much money "on the table" and perhaps for him -- a video poker player at $25/coin ($125 per play) -- he can afford to do that. I know I can't.

Rob has a few good ideas, but we have to separate the good from the ridiculous.

None of those "features' originated with Singer. They were not his "ideas". Like all cons you need to sprinkle them with a few good thoughts. Nothing more, nothing less.

Arc, over the years I also objected to your use of the word "con" when referring to Rob and his strategies. I challenge you to show how Rob conned anyone? Offering a system or strategy or method of play is not a con. It is no more of a con than you telling people to play according to the "math."

It's true that Rob did not originate the ideas of win goals and loss limits, but that doesn't mean he should be criticized for advocating their use. And there are plenty of video poker players who probably use "special plays" without even knowing that Rob Singer called them his "special plays" and that's because there are many players who will instinctively hold three aces in various games while breaking up full houses.

I'll play Devil's Advocate for the minority and say I have learned a lot of philosophical treasures from Rob. Life truly wouldn't be the same without his internet persona.

I'm trying to learn everything I can about discipline and mental toughness from him. I say this in all seriousness. Everybody has something good to offer.

It also takes a strong personality to withstand constant flaming from many people piling on you at once on many different message boards, doesn't it? Many mortals would simply give up the forum wars long before Rob ever has.

Still not 100% certain about his VP results. I hold out a last bastion of hope.

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It also takes a strong personality to withstand constant flaming from many people piling on you at once on many different message boards, doesn't it?

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Nope. Not "strong"...."vainglorious". He thrives on diverting all attention to himself while berating others to the point of having internet orgasms.

I think his personal attacks are nothing less than a sign of weakness for not being able to defend his controversial positions.

Of course everyone expects my reply to be one-sided, but there's a rough edge on every gem. I personally have watched the hot and cold cycles on some vp sessions. l lost my most money whenever I tried to play through them as I wanted to be sure I was right when detecting them. I have hit my largest quantity of quads whenever I saw the hot cycles developing. I like the idea of being able to now change machines and finish the session on another machine=flexibility. The special plays don't seem to factor in as much as some believe, but occasionally they do make the difference. I'm kinda bullet-proof as I've been jeered at for some of my beliefs all my life-so it doesn't really make a difference to me who believes what. It works for me.

slingshot: tell us "how" it worked for you? Do you have a profit following Rob's advice, or did following Rob's advice cut your losses? More importantly at what point in your play were you able to say "this machine is in a hot streak" or "this machine is in a cold streak"?

Yes, I have a profit FOLLOWING Rob's advice, but when all of you caused doubts in my mind I tried playing AGAINST his suggestions and began to lose by trying to play through these tough cycles. It was, as Rob suggested, at about the 100 credits mark and of course there's a whole thread on this and I'm not interested in going over the whole thing and listening to the chide remarks-mainly because no one else is interested in trying the strategies=even at the lower denominations like myself. I'm happy now at about the $100-200 win per week mark and at my denominations, I've decided to be happy with that. Looking at all the winning pics of jackpots tends to make one wanna play more and I got that outta my system. Amd you're correct about the special plays and the 3-4 card draws have been especially good on the quads.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Arc, over the years I also objected to your use of the word "con" when referring to Rob and his strategies. I challenge you to show how Rob conned anyone? Offering a system or strategy or method of play is not a con. It is no more of a con than you telling people to play according to the "math."

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Whenever a person puts out a strategy that is well known to lower a person's chances of winning then it right away is questionable. How does Singer benefit? Well, at least one person has stated Singer used his own player's card to accrue points (aka personal gain). A couple of years ago he claimed to have received something like $1500 in free play for a single month. Earlier he had claimed to have only played 25 hours the previous year before reaching his yearly goal.

In addition, any time someone wins during a training session I'm sure they are tempted to split the winnings with Singer (or some portion). More personal gain. His denial would be expected and is meaningless. However, I suspect his biggest gain is in terms of ego. He loves the attention as is obvious from his comments over the years. Bilking people out of money for attention is still a con.

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Arc, over the years I also objected to your use of the word "con" when referring to Rob and his strategies.

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I for one couldn't care less about calling Rob names or calling his "strategy" a "scam or con". Rob gets what he gives. As long as he calls everybody every name in the book there is absolutely no reason to defend him in any shape or form.

About his "strategy", I'm with Arci. Win goals and loss limits: not his. Playing the best paytable available: not his. The rest of his "strategy": one big pile of dog doedoe. Food for the math challenged gullible gold seekers.

Regarding the use of the word "con" or "scam" please note that I have a higher standard than the rest of you. Without proof of a criminal act or conviction in a court of law, these words will NOT be used.

Do you want to call someone an a**hole? Be my guest. Do you want to say their full of sh*t? Be my guest. But I am drawing the line regarding the use of "con" or "scam."

Personally, I don't believe Rob played as little as he claimed over the years to reach his win goals. I've never seen any proof about use of player's card when someone else played. And for the record, I've received more than $4,000 in free play in a month so reports about Rob getting $1,500 of free play in a month are meaningless.

Offers about splitting winnings are also meaningless. I've split winnings with other players under certain conditions which I will not get into here.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Regarding the use of the word "con" or "scam" please note that I have a higher standard than the rest of you. Without proof of a criminal act or conviction in a court of law, these words will NOT be used.

Do you want to call someone an a**hole? Be my guest. Do you want to say their full of sh*t? Be my guest. But I am drawing the line regarding the use of "con" or "scam."

Personally, I don't believe Rob played as little as he claimed over the years to reach his win goals. I've never seen any proof about use of player's card when someone else played. And for the record, I've received more than $4,000 in free play in a month so reports about Rob getting $1,500 of free play in a month are meaningless.

Offers about splitting winnings are also meaningless. I've split winnings with other players under certain conditions which I will not get into here.

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I get what you're saying Alan. I'm not saying his "strategy" is a scam or a con. I'm saying I don't have a problem with people calling it that. If it's true or not is not something I'm concerned about. People can give Rob any title they want and call him whatever they like because that's exactly what he does constantly. Just my humble opinion.

During my TV news career I put real con artists and operators of real scams in prison. I am very sensitive to what is a "con" or a "scam."

So if McDonalds says, in an advertising pitch, that its food "is good for you," would you consider that a con? That's a set-up question for my real question, what do you think of "Steve Stevens" of Money Talks.

I don't know who Steve Stevens of Money Talks is.

I don't know if McDonald's ever advertised that its food "is good for you."

I don't think Rob is conning or scamming anyone.

I do think he is delusional regarding his belief that his strategies will lead people to win. I also think he lies about his results.

Another problem with Rob is that he will just make things up when he doesn't know about a certain subject. A good example of this was his laughable descriptions of the clientele at various hotels. Supposedy Paris had "too many obnoxious Euros" and Planet Hollywood had "too many Middle Eastern types, because it was once the Aladdin." Both dumb assumptions based upon the ethnic thematic gimmickry of both hotels (in one case, former hotel), where Rob didn't realize that people visit gimmick hotels different from their own culture, and aren't interested in a watered down version of what they already see every day at home. On top of that, having been to both places myself, his statements simply weren't true.

I have to agree with Dan Druff regarding the true clientele of the Vegas hotels. And I haven't seen many gladiators walking around Caesars... except for the one that guards Cleo and Julius. (There used to be two.. but budget cuts, ya know.)

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Nope. Not "strong"...."vainglorious". He thrives on diverting all attention to himself while berating others to the point of having internet orgasms.

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Haha--you all ate the bait, enjoyed it, and now you look as stupid as ever. Fitting. An instantaneous thread about me with rapid-fire posts from each poster I've tortured is the undeniable truth: I OWN you people....even the Euro loner who hates being stuck "over there" :)

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I have to agree with Dan Druff regarding the true clientele of the Vegas hotels. And I haven't seen many gladiators walking around Caesars... except for the one that guards Cleo and Julius. (There used to be two.. but budget cuts, ya know.)

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Alan, the issue with you and Dan is that he's simply a newcomer to what's what in LV and tries to talk a big game with a very weak delivery, while you have had the opportunity to know better thru experience, but your trips continuously stick you in one single place. Yeah yeah yeah you said you've played at a few other places, but you never get to know more than a few machines and a craps table. I saw that when I took you to the Hard Rock for filming. You had no clue about the place so I got the Casino Manager's approval since I knew the place and I knew him. And since I've played at and talked to the execs at every major casino in Nevada for over 10 years while you stagnate in a place that controls your every move, you'd be all the wiser for listening.

I have no "chacterization" of Caesars other than to know it's always been old school and attracts celebs as well as a good cross section of everyone else. As for PH, I was among the "media" for the pre-grand opening (aka, the Alladin for those of you who trail behind) and it was designed for and attracted a Middle Eastern crowd. Remember the London Club upstairs? I''ve been to the one in Dubai, and yes, I've been to the one in London! And guess what--the Arab who owns Harrods in London owned it. Gee....I guess that means Aladdin not only themed ME, it ATTRACTED them. Dan/Alan, do you get THAT yet?

And Dan, here's more proof you came to the game late as a know-it-all. When Paris opened, it required 50% of it's front staff to be fluent in French. And what's common among all Europeans if they want to get anywhere in the world? Yup, they also have to speak one or two other languages besides their own language and English. So why'd Paris do that? Yahtzee!--to attract Europeans! Just think, if some funny guy showed up and only spoke the hideous Dutch language but wanted to feel "needed" & "wanted" in LV, where do you think he'd go? BINGO!! Lesson learned....And I didn't even take your precious rewards credits in the process.

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During my TV news career I put real con artists and operators of real scams in prison. I am very sensitive to what is a "con" or a "scam."

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I've mentioned this before: arci lies about me out of frustration. His con man claims is among that which he feels best with getting back at me for mocking what he's done to his "retirement" life, and that lie about me charging some player came from vp.com when he and his alias were caught "talking to each other". So he doesn't really mean it. In fact, he's such a nerdy guy with a gimpy way about him, so give him some slack. Besides, how can you not love a guy with such a shiney forehead?:)

Too bad nobody took my bet about Rob not posting until the end of the year because he would be "too busy travelling and enjoying the good life". Seems he might not be as busy as he wants everybody to believe.

Signed,
The Euroloner
Aka Macau lover
Aka whatever new dumb name Rob can come up with

Whatever I'm up to, you certainly do know that doing it over here ....oh, you know I'm just gonna ridicule where you're stuck living again:)

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Whatever I'm up to, you certainly do know that doing it over here ....oh, you know I'm just gonna ridicule where you're stuck living again:)

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Keep dreaming and enjoying your life in lala land. I'm perfectly happy where I am.

I am neutral in this particular back-and-forth, but I can verify that what Rob says regarding the London Club and Paris requiring fluency in French when it opened is correct. I think, however, that the "vibe" one gets in Paris these days has more to do with marketing to gays than to Europeans. Rob sometimes seems to conflate the two. Um, that was an attempt at humor.

Yes, I agree it's changed themes there. The last time I stopped by I was greeted by several funny looking employees with a lithpy voice and that sickening designer delivery that's so common on the tube these days with stations pushing the gay agenda.

Luckily, video poker rises above all that, and I am a lifetime winner at Paris. In fact, we had my daughter's big wedding there in the early 2000's, and not only were four of the suites I reserved comped, but the service and reception in Napoleon's was fully comped too. I showed my thanks by playing two sessions while there, and winning almost $7000. Everyone else in the wedding party lost, but they didn't play much.