Why try Rob Singer's strategy?

Why would I try Rob's strategies? What I'm doing already works and I make more money than I would playing Rob's strategies (with significantly-less/no risk). And there is absolutely nothing that backs up Rob's system. I mean, Rob hasn't even showed a single finding he has had when he came up with his strategy, and I suspect we will never get that information. Based on Rob's research (NOT HIS "RESULTS"), what is his average win, loss, and frequency of each? There's nothing to back this data up.

I know if I go to a casino and play X amount on Y machine and get Z back in FP/cash/etc., I can determine what my EV is, how frequently I'll end up a winner/loser and by how much.

I know if I put in X hours of BJ (card counting) how much I'm expected to make on average, how much I can lose and how much I can win and the probability of each.

I can do these things because it can be figured out using simple math or simulation. When looking at my results, they line up with the theoretical results (both in expected result ~= actual result, and frequency of wins/losses based on math line up with the theoretical figures).

It's obvious Rob has never done the proper research and figured out this kind of information for his system. Without doing that, you can't know if it's a winning strategy or not.

But RS -- Rob's the moral center of the universe, and he bets more than $20 or $30 a game. You should listen to him.

That's the whole point RS__. You readily dismiss something without any knowledge of it. You're simply going on the flawed information of a few of the jealous haters here because...I don't know, maybe you're too lazy to want to learn? And if you make MORE/session than I have using my play strategy (it averaged over $3100/session--both winning & losing) then I wanna know YOUR strategy!

Of course there's been the research and math done at the start, based on what you deem is more important than actual results: theory and probability. And naturally, any calculations done using -EV games won't be positive, but when the positive EV games are used those results are equally irrelevant because they just didn't meet my criteria for actual win %. The key is how and when I used the outside factors to increase probability--something regularly done in the research & development phase of some of the most important technological projects in corporate America. To explain all this in detail would require one of those face-to-face meets that even the Wizard's math geniuses feared. So I understand all the criticisms coming out of left field. It just makes no sense for a critic not to want to comprehend the whole thing before rendering it irrelevant.

After the Super Bowl, I will endeavor to do a Lettermanesque "Top 10 Reasons to Try Rob Singer's Strategy." Right now, I have to get this done. Stay tuned....

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Originally Posted by redietz

After the Super Bowl, I will endeavor to do a Lettermanesque "Top 10 Reasons to Try Rob Singer's Strategy." Right now, I have to get this done. Stay tuned....

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Exactly what I mean when I say that you always divert and deflect the topic or the question, and the result is a post that offers essentially nothing.

I hate to say this, but not being willing to at least go thru a session or two with Rob to prove or disprove is about the stupidest, most ignorant thing I've ever heard. I went thru an abbreviated session(approximately 1200 credits) of the single play strategy and saw for myself the hot and cold cycles before I ended up ahead with a soft session win. Only a bunch of morons would argue from ignorance. Put up or shut up!

I have nothing against "trying" but is one abbreviated session proof?

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

I have nothing against "trying" but is one abbreviated session proof?

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That was the SP strategy, Alan. It's mentally challenging and I had been playing another strategy and had no idea this strategy was gonna be so time consuming. I played for an hour, watched an actual cold cycle for approximately 300 credits before it was over, hit 4 A's for a small win of $30 and that was starting at nickels and when I won, I had just finished the last 100 credits at 10c ddbp- which gives an idea of it's challenge.
Artt is more exciting to play and the wins can come more quickly and if you're lucky enough to see when to change machines if necessary, and the importance of special plays for the game you're playing it will become apparent that there's nothing "spoofy" about this strategy.
All that to say, I AT LEAST TRIED IT!

The most important point is Rob's win goal of 5% of bankroll makes it very easy to prove success because you will win a high percentage of sessions. Tell someone you have a black jack strategy with a 5% win goal and with simple basic strategy you can prove it works most of the time. Sounds like someone could make a real killing on the ignorant if you packaged your "system" right.

Well, Lady Gaga just said it's time for some FOOTBALL!!

The math of independent random events is well known and has been for decades if not centuries. Singer's claims are pure nonsense. You can try to put two pennies and two nickels in a box as many times as you want. It will always turn out to be 12 cents. Only fools would think otherwise.

One problem I'm having is that Rob's strategy has so many facets I'd like to know which ones are being discussed. Are they all bad? Even the one that says play the best available pay tables?

There will never be any rationale comments or reasonable criticisms from anyone like arci, esp. when they've essentially seem to have given up on life---let alone playing video poker.

Oh wait!....arci said he gave up playing 3 years ago because Tonto removed his +EV machines. I guess the roof fell in after that :)

We all know that Singer is lying. He had a chance to produce his tax returns to prove he had won. He ran away. No one believes his lies any more.

Most reasonable people are still chuckling about his failure to produce a claimed analysis from those 3 seemingly mythical mathematicians a couple of year ago. Are those still tucked away in that mythical Arizona storage locker that you never visit but obviously must pay for every month. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Are you going to continue to dance this clown dance? Everyone with half a brain is laughing at you. Even mama belly is having trouble keeping up with your obvious lies. You might lose your biggest fan (outside of slingshit).

Arc that was a cheap shot against another forum member. On Forum "Brand B" that would have drawn a suspension.

That's my fault Alan. He's rattled. Remember the chipping away process I utilize with this poor soul to near-perfection? It's truly the gift that keeps on giving!

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

That's my fault Alan. He's rattled. Remember the chipping away process I utilize with this poor soul to near-perfection? It's truly the gift that keeps on giving!

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Rob, please. STFU.

Funny how Alan keeps referring to WOV as "brand B". Insecure much?

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Arc that was a cheap shot against another forum member. On Forum "Brand B" that would have drawn a suspension.

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It's fine, Alan. I kept checking back on the forum to see if anything had changed and found the whole cycle had started again. I shoulda stayed out and minded my own business. It's really silly, the more I think about it. I just miss some of the little tidbits of alternative "quickie" ways to the strategies- like playing 1,2,&5 credits on the $5 machines. I guess those days are gone. They shorten the playing time, sometimes.

It is Brand B. It's narrowly focused, and caters to a smaller audience.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Arc that was a cheap shot against another forum member. On Forum "Brand B" that would have drawn a suspension.

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Nope, when a person says something like

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Originally Posted by Slingshot

I hate to say this, but not being willing to at least go thru a session or two with Rob to prove or disprove is about the stupidest, most ignorant thing I've ever heard. I went thru an abbreviated session(approximately 1200 credits) of the single play strategy and saw for myself the hot and cold cycles before I ended up ahead with a soft session win. Only a bunch of morons would argue from ignorance. Put up or shut up!

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They truly are slinging shit. Since when is an accurate response a "cheap shot"?

Arc I thought you were a mature adult. You altered slingshot's screen name in a most juvenile way. Grow up.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Arc I thought you were a mature adult. You altered slingshot's screen name in a most juvenile way. Grow up.

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I will never feel sorry for anyone calling others "morons" when they have no clue what they are talking about. In reality I was extremely tolerant of his attacks on rational people. Besides, I'm still trying to help increase the entertainment value of your forum. Consider it a gift.

arcimede$

Rob found "Jesus" the night before our supposed "meet & greet" then his ASS CLOWN pal coach belly who could be a Rob Singer "alter ego" chimed in to protect him...
I agree with one thing why Alan still protects him every time he gets his ass in a sling.. Which is just about daily.... Maybe he feels sorry for him or well I'll keep it to myself for now

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Originally Posted by arcimede$

We all know that Singer is lying. He had a chance to produce his tax returns to prove he had won. He ran away. No one believes his lies any more.

Most reasonable people are still chuckling about his failure to produce a claimed analysis from those 3 seemingly mythical mathematicians a couple of year ago. Are those still tucked away in that mythical Arizona storage locker that you never visit but obviously must pay for every month. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Are you going to continue to dance this clown dance? Everyone with half a brain is laughing at you. Even mama belly is having trouble keeping up with your obvious lies. You might lose your biggest fan (outside of slingshit).

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Originally Posted by LoneStarHorse

Rob found "Jesus" the night before our supposed "meet & greet" then his ASS CLOWN pal coach belly who could be a Rob Singer "alter ego" chimed in to protect him.

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I'm not Rob Singer you dumb jackass.

Let's meet this summer in AC and you'll see for yourself...I'll teach you to body surf.

You're the one that backed out of meeting Singer...the record is clear about that.

You wrote that somebody's PM scared you away from the agreed time & place.

I don't recall chiming in to protect anybody...how could I when you were both in Vegas at the same time?

coach belly

I did back out of meeting in a parking garage at 4 AM... I gave alternate meeting places but then you, uh I mean Rob found Jesus and just avoided any other meeting...
So just climb back under that rock you live in or better yet just grow up

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Originally Posted by coach belly

I'm not Rob Singer you dumb jackass.

Let's meet this summer in AC and you'll see for yourself...I'll teach you to body surf.

You're the one that backed out of meeting Singer...the record is clear about that.

You wrote that somebody's PM scared you away from the agreed time & place.

I don't recall chiming in to protect anybody...how could I when you were both in Vegas at the same time?

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One interesting thing about coach and Rob -- they haven't said one thing positive about anything or anyone lately.

This is, after all, a Las Vegas forum. One thinks one would occasionally offer a tidbit about Las Vegas now and again. Rob doesn't seem to have spent much time there recently, for some reason, and we get no real information from him. I'm sure coach has been there recently, however.

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Originally Posted by LoneStarHorse

I did back out of meeting in a parking garage at 4 AM... I gave alternate meeting places but then you, uh I mean Rob found Jesus and just avoided any other meeting...

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Stop with that noise...that's your spin.

Singer backed you down, and then let you off the hook.

It was a big disappointment to everybody...some horse...more like a shitland pony.

BTW...how many of the 35 guys he owes money to did you meet with?

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Originally Posted by redietz

I'm sure coach has been there recently, however.

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You're sure that I have been to Las Vegas recently?

What gave you that impression, such that you're so sure?

I was being facetious, coach. You never mention anything about Las Vegas. No tips, no comments on current events, no promo mentions, no players' club comments. It's a little odd for a Las Vegas forum.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

Stop with that noise...that's your spin.

Singer backed you down, and then let you off the hook.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

So if I offended or even annoyed you, I apologize. This meet I proposed at the HRH--I realized it had no chance to be other than confrontational just about the time you suggested a venue change, so better to wait. Good luck in Vegas.

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Who backed who down?

coach belly

For some reason you like to take me on when I take shots at "Rob" are you guys lovers??? If so its fine with me

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Originally Posted by coach belly

Stop with that noise...that's your spin.

Singer backed you down, and then let you off the hook.

It was a big disappointment to everybody...some horse...more like a shitland pony.

BTW...how many of the 35 guys he owes money to did you meet with?

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Don't feed into coach belly he's upset I'm making fun of his partner.... I'd be willing to make a sizable wager that coach doesn't even gamble he's just a troll

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Originally Posted by a2a3dseddie

Who backed who down?

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Originally Posted by redietz

I was being facetious, coach. You never mention anything about Las Vegas. No tips, no comments on current events, no promo mentions, no players' club comments. It's a little odd for a Las Vegas forum.

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I commented quite a bit on how freeplay works on the machines.

A couple of longtime Vegas regulars had a very hard time comprehending that,
trying to help them understand was like pulling teeth actually,
I found it odd that they could not have known after years what I found out on day 1.

So as it turns out we have something in common, ditz...we've both found odd circumstances on this forum.

But I came here to learn, rather than teach.

I tried to be open-minded and neutral, and my questions were met by attacks and accusations,
from sociopaths like the always-acrid arcimedes, and snarky comments from various ditzs...like you.

Some guys obviously don't know how to play nice, so I dropped the gloves and here we are.

Just look at where RS & acrid took the "How to kill a forum" thread and you'll realize where the trouble starts.

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Originally Posted by LoneStarHorse

Don't feed into coach belly he's upset I'm making fun of his partner.... I'd be willing to make a sizable wager that coach doesn't even gamble he's just a troll

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How much, big mouth?

You just wrote a check with your mouth that your chicken-shit ass can't cash.

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Originally Posted by LoneStarHorse

coach belly

For some reason you like to take me on when I take shots at "Rob" are you guys lovers??? If so its fine with me

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I don't know Singer.

Chase your homoerotic fantasies elsewhere...try your guardian angel ditz...maybe you can throw him a shot.

Really? I mean... really?

New reality show..."Singer n friends"

Alan, coach seems to have me at something of a disadvantage since I don't know his last name. You don't mind if I substitute poking fun at your last name since I don't know his, do you? I was thinking "Mendelscum" or something along those lines.

What casinos do you play at ?? How often do you play ??
What's your game of choice?? I have many others

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Originally Posted by coach belly

How much, big mouth?

You just wrote a check with your mouth that your chicken-shit ass can't cash.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

I don't know Singer.

Chase your homoerotic fantasies elsewhere...try your guardian angel ditz...maybe you can throw him a shot.

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Damn, I wish I'd known this sooner. I committed two felonies yesterday so I could go to prison for the three squares, color tv, and avant garde sex. Oh well.

Coach, I don't know why you have a (pardon the expression) hard on for me. If Rob simply apologizes for his caretaker quotes and explains he was wrong, I'll never post here again. Easy Peasy.

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Originally Posted by LoneStarHorse

What casinos do you play at ?? How often do you play ??
What's your game of choice?? I have many others

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You name the sizeable figure that you want to wager and you will find out soon enough
for you to come meet me in AC and settle up.

I'll meet you in February if you want, any time after you get back from Mardi Gras works for me.

No pussy-footing around like you did with Singer...you laid down the gauntlet,
you claim to be wealthy and a heavy gambler, so a sizeable wager should be no problem for you to cover.

What's the figure?

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Originally Posted by redietz

If Rob simply apologizes for his caretaker quotes and explains he was wrong, I'll never post here again. Easy Peasy.

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That's between you and Rob, not between you and me.

I don't want you to stop posting here, I'll never call for someone to be banned or resign or whatever.

Can't say the same for your friends.

I'll go back and try to find the post where you cast the first stone, and when I do you can apologize to me?

Fair enough?

coach

Why not post some pictures of your offers from the casinos you play at.. You know the way I did.....
About a wager I'll bet anyone anytime... So you name the wager

You are playing the role of Chief Asshole in here, because of your admiration of Rob... I guess you wish you had some big wins or maybe a RV to live in instead of the Salvation Army Shelter

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Originally Posted by coach belly

You name the sizeable figure that you want to wager and you will find out soon enough
for you to come meet me in AC and settle up.

I'll meet you in February if you want, any time after you get back from Mardi Gras works for me.

No pussy-footing around like you did with Singer...you laid down the gauntlet,
you claim to be wealthy and a heavy gambler, so a sizeable wager should be no problem for you to cover.

What's the figure?

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Originally Posted by LoneStarHorse

About a wager I'll bet anyone anytime... So you name the wager

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OK...you are playing games, looking for attention, like you have done since you showed up here.

Here's what you wrote

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Originally Posted by LoneStarHorse

I'd be willing to make a sizable wager that coach doesn't even gamble

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How much can you afford to lose? That's what I want to bet.

You have avoided answering any of my questions why is that?? I know why, you have NO offers.... Just go back to your cot in the shelter.. You're lucky they give you free WiFi...

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Originally Posted by coach belly

OK...you are playing games, looking for attention, like you have done since you showed up here.

Here's what you wrote



How much can you afford to lose? That's what I want to bet.

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I created a NEW THREAD for the Coach Belly vs LoneStarHorse wager.

Offering up large bets is exactly what Singer has done many times when he wants to avoid a situation. He assumes no one will take him up on the bet. The fact coach is using a long time Singer strategy pretty much locks in Singer is behind the comments. There may be a real coach but it is Singer who is creating the comments (he's been caught doing that several times).

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Originally Posted by arcimede$

Offering up large bets is exactly what Singer has done many times when he wants to avoid a situation. He assumes no one will take him up on the bet. The fact coach is using a long time Singer strategy pretty much locks in Singer is behind the comments. There may be a real coach but it is Singer who is creating the comments (he's been caught doing that several times).

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That is silly...you are delusional.

Besides...I haven't offered up any large bets...what are you talking about?

Who brought the popcorn? I'm liking the sight of arci dripping sweat as he once again pretends that another poster getting the better of him is me!

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Originally Posted by coach belly

That is silly...you are delusional.
Besides...I haven't offered up any large bets...what are you talking about?

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Is that right?

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Originally Posted by coach belly

How much can you afford to lose? That's what I want to bet.

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How much can you afford to lose?

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Originally Posted by arcimede$

How much can you afford to lose?

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How does that qualify as a large bet?

All he could afford to lose was a free gift that he's getting from Harrah's.