I got hurt walking into Caesars Palace. Caught by the beveled glass edge of an entrance door that sliced my hand. Photos and videos here: http://alanbestbuys.com/id418.html
Caesars security and medical staff quickly attended to me.
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I got hurt walking into Caesars Palace. Caught by the beveled glass edge of an entrance door that sliced my hand. Photos and videos here: http://alanbestbuys.com/id418.html
Caesars security and medical staff quickly attended to me.
Where is the pic of the alleged hand?
I didn't post the photo of my hand because it might be in poor taste. It's bloody. I think the jacket is enough to make the point.
That was a quick closing door. If people are ahead of you, it's dangerous. A child could be really injured.
I'm not licensed in Nevada. Otherwise--free craps for life!!!
Sorry to hear about that. Other than the replacement jacket, did Ceasars offer you any compensation? Did you need any stiches? I bet Ceasars has insurance for that kind of injury and so any claim would not be affected by the bankruptcy.
FAB
Sounds like only a minor accident. I don't see negligence. Unless said door created other incidents, and it wasn't replaced.
At any rate, the tendency to "pester" Caesars here in public isn't going to help. Can look pretty silly when things don't go your way.
Remember all the same sorts of Wizard incidents?
Minor accident? I didn't slip and fall in the shower in my room with no witness. I was cut on a glass door entering the building and bled all over the place and was attended to by their security and their on-staff EMT.
Was my hand cut off? No.
But I wouldn't call it "minor" either. You're not supposed to spill blood, and spilling blood is not included in the resort fee.
I am not licensed to practice in Nevada but I recall that any innkeeper, including Ceasars Palace, because it has invited guests into its premises, has a heightened duty to protect its guests from injuries due to its facilities. For liability to be found it is not required that previous injuries due to this glass door have occurred - but a failure to rectify known problems could enhance future damages. If Ceasars is smart, it would have volunteered some compensation -- particularly to a Seven Stars patron -- other than a replacement jacket.
Caesars did not offer a replacement jacket. I asked for one. I wear one in the casino because the casino is cold. That was the only jacket I had for this trip. Twice I asked the Risk Management Dept to get me a replacement. They said they would get back to me. A few hours later I called my host who said to buy one from the gift shop and it would be comped.
Several years ago at Caesars, my suitcase was delivered to my room with a wheel broken off. The bell guy pointed it out when he brought up the suitcase. I thanked him and figured "shit happens", a few minutes later I get a call from security asking for details of the broken wheel. Told them what happened and forgot about it. Fast forward a few weeks, I get a letters from someone at Caesars asking for the price of the luggage. I sent them a copy of the my receipt and a few days later got a check in the mail for the full amount. What was doubly nice is I was able to replace the wheel on the broken luggage for a few dollars. Still using it to this day.
I'm thinking you will get more than just a free buffet from this incident.
Bill Yung if I showed my thumb would you say the logo doesn't match the denomination?
Imagine if this had happened to Dan. After letting it eat away at him, he'd be all over the host office, security, maintenance, management, and legal until they caved in and cut him a check for $35. Dwelling does have it's advantages.....
People get accidentally hurt in these minor incidents all the time in casino hotels. Those who perpetually lose are always looking to "get something" out of it, while the winners just look at the accident as an annoyance that quickly ends up in their rear view mirror.
Are you sure ISIS had nothing to do with this? Oh that's right....Obama and Kerry have told us they're "desperate and on the run".
Here's an update:
I went to my doctor late yesterday because darn thing is still oozing blood (after 4 days). The flap of skin has a 50/50 chance of healing or dying off. I was given a tetanus shot and put on heavy antibiotics because it is still bleeding. Also, understand I had a kidney and pancreas transplant and I am on anti-rejection drugs which weakens my immune system. Basically, I have no immune system, and now I have an open wound.
The area is now black and blue (normal) and there is some pain in my hand (also normal) after being hit by a heavy door.
The most important things to watch now are the healing process and to be sure there is no infection.
Besides that... my blood pressure was 112/67 (excellent!) my weight was 195 full clothed (stable from my last check up) and blood oxygen is normal.
My transplants have been working great after eight years.
Glad you're okay, Alan.
Glad you're OK as well Alan. Will look for the infamous door tomorrow when I get there.
Once again, Rob makes an ass out of himself with his assumptions.
This actually DID happen to me at a CET property.
In 2009, I was doing the color commentating on ESPN 3 for the $10,000 Limit Holdem final table at the WSOP.
During one of the breaks, I went to the bathroom. On my way out of the bathroom, as I was reaching for the door handle, it flung open quickly and slammed into my hand.
Turned out one of the Rio janitors was coming in there to clean, and he pushed the door open too aggressively, to where the door handle slammed into my hand. It hurt a lot and was bleeding heavily.
The guy said he was sorry. It truly was an accident, even though the guy probably pushed the door too hard. I didn't want to get him in trouble.
I went up to security and asked for a large band-aid. They kept wanting me to file a report, but I refused. I just wanted a band-aid. They finally gave me two.
I went back to the studio and resumed the broadcast. However, my hand wouldn't stop bleeding. One of the media employees went and got me some more band-aids and some ointment, which I applied while doing the broadcast, which lasted about 6 more hours.
The cut was pretty big, my hand hurt a lot, and it took some time to heal.
Never filed a report, never asked for anything. Most important to me was that I didn't cause some innocent guy to lose his job, and obviously he didn't, because I never reported what happened.
I also never filed a report or asked for anything when I fell and broke 3 ribs in my room in Caesars Palace.
Again, this was not their fault. I fainted because I was sick, and the injury occurred when my ribs struck the ground.
This was the same trip where they wanted to charge me for the infamous "$48 Gatorade", which I refused to get, and which Rob still refers to every time he brings my name up.
But many others in my shoes would have lied about having been sick, and would have blamed the fall on something wrong with the Caesars room, and sued them for tens of thousands of dollars. All I wanted was some reasonably priced Gatorade to get fluids back in my body.
Remember, you're playing with fire. Say you get a few Thou$sand or less. The fact that you tried to recover for the injury they might ban you for it. They've banned people for a lot less.
I've thought of that, too. But if Alan can show them that the glass on their door really was sharp (which I'm assuming he can/did), they won't ban him. There seems to be little doubt that this injury really occurred as described. They would only ban someone for falsifying an injury.
They get injury claims all the time at CET properties. That's why they have a full-time Risk Management department.
Alan is in fact one of the least likely to get banned, because he has a long history of mid-high limit play there. He won't be seen as some professional victim looking to get rich off of them. Instead, they will see it as a loyal customer getting injured as a result of a defectively manufactured door.
I dealt with Risk Management at the Rio once, but not about an injury. During the 2009 WSOP, a high-wind thunderstorm blew into town. My car was parked outdoors at the Rio WSOP lot. They had been doing construction at the lot, and they didn't tie down their equipment well enough. It came out of the ropes and blew into my car, causing about $700 in damage.
I demanded the Rio pay for the repairs. At first I got some pushback, where they called it "an act of God" (not true, since they were negligent in not tying down their equipment when a storm was coming), and also trying to push me to sue the third-party company they hired during the work (again, not true, because it was the Rio's lot, and they are responsible for damage caused by contractors they hire.)
After weakly trying to argue these points, they backed down and cut me a check for the amount of the repair.
I did not worry about getting banned, because there was no doubt that their construction equipment blew into my car, and they knew I just wanted to get the damage covered.
What door / entrance was this? If I read it correctly, sounds like it's the seven stars valet entrance, near the special events / diamond lounge area? I may check it out sometime. What's with the timing, exactly? Door stays wide-open for X amount of seconds, then closes slowly or quickly? Not sure what part of the timing you're referring to (how long until it starts closing or how long it takes to close or something else?).
RS__ see my video. From the time you swing open the door it closes in about four seconds. If you do not continue to hold the door as you walk in it will slam into you. In my case when the door closed the beveled glass edge caught the top of my right hand ripping the skin. When walking in the door's edge was on my right. Just watch the video. I don't think doors are supposed to close in about 4 seconds after opening fully. Do you? What if there is a child next to you, or you are unaware the door is about to hit you? A heavy glass door even with a beveled edge can do damage. And it did. Caesars dispatched an EMT who saw it and filed a report.
One day at a local casino a waitress dropped a cup of hot coffee in my lap. It was an accident--she was a klutz. The supervisor came over and wanted me to fill out all kinds of paperwork. I said no--I was fine--that I didn't think I had been burned. All I asked was that they pay for a new pair of pants. At first they refused and said they would pay for the dry cleaning. I told them coffee stains don't come out in dry cleaning. But they insisted.
Well--the stains did come out but I couldn't just let them off that easy. So I brought in my underpants which were completely stained and wouldn't come clean to show them how saturated I was and hinting at a burn claim. They agreed to pay for the new pants. I had to bring them my receipt for reimbursement.
I'm sure I could have gotten a lot more out of them but didn't want the waitress to lose her job. She is actually still there and I still won't get a coffee from her.
Regnis, I salute you. I'm sure a (male) jury would have been sympathetic to "scalded penis."
Well--hard to tell.
Red--try not to picture this as you may become ill but imagine me offering up my dick at trial as Exhibit A.
I got sick in some way at Rincon.
It's not clear what got me sick there. May have been the food, may have been something I touched there.
It wasn't a food poisoning illness. It was some kind of bad stomach virus.
I drove to Vegas from Rincon not realizing I was sick. I felt tired toward the end of the drive, but just blamed it on being late at night.
By the time I was unloading my car and getting ready for bed at Caesars, I was really feeling tired, but I still didn't connect it to being sick.
I remember a weird experience of going up the Caesars Augustus Tower elevator when returning from parking my car, and there was some early-20s girl in there. She tried to make conversation with me, but all I could do was mumble a few words back. When she walked out, she rudely said, "Try to loosen up dude, you're in Vegas, stop acting so uptight."
I still didn't realize anything was wrong with me until I woke up in the morning, still felt exhausted, and oddly did not feel the slightest bit thirsty. I also recalled that I didn't drink anything before going to sleep. This was unusual for me, as I usually have something (non-alcoholic, that is) before and right after bed. Here I was waking up and had no thirst.
Two hours after being awake, I forced myself to drink water, but it was very tough to force myself to get it down. I still didn't figure out what was going on, until I felt like I had to vomit about 15 minutes later.
I said to myself, "Crap... I bet this is going to be a bad one."
About 10 hours later, I fainted from dehydration. The funny thing is that I knew to watch out for dehydration, but let my guard down because I was able to drink about 3 hours earlier (and it stayed down), so I thought everything was going to be okay. Big mistake.
Perhaps a subconscious penile thought on marriage? Interesting, how others picked up on that in their own ways later on.
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I watched the video, it just wasn't too clear if you were holding it open more or not or what all was happening, since it didn't show it from the third person POV (i.e.: as if someone else videoed you + door).
You need to get hold of the Zapruder tape that clearly shows there was another doorman.
When I opened the door and was hurt I used my right hand. I was on the phone and the phone was in my left hand. After opening the door my right hand dropped to my side and the closing door hit the top of my right hand.
I shot the videos with my phone in my right hand. I opened door with left hand. I could not open door with my right because I was afraid of opening the cut and of pain.
I don't think it matters which hand was used to open the door. The point is this door closes in four seconds and that's too short of a time. Right hand or left hand -- it's a quick close.
Mystery door?
Received a letter today from a law firm representing Caesars. The letter said they tried to phone me. BS.
Damn't. I was out shooting a new TV show video today and the wound opened up and started bleeding. I haven't posted any photos of the wound or the bleeding so far, but I just might to point out how these heavy glass doors can injure.
Alan,
We went through that set of doors multiple times. The "fall" of the door after being held fully open seemed more than reasonable to us so maybe they did make an adjustment. You will have to be the judge next time you're at Caesars.
Those style doors are all over the strip.
A couple of other casino accidents.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...-being-6819714
http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/p...728-story.html
I am now driving back from Caesars. I drove up to check out the door and yes they adjusted it. I shot a video and put it on YouTube and when I get home tonight I will add the link so you can see it and how it's different.
I updated the page on my website with the new video and you can also see the old video with the "before" video. http://alanbestbuys.com/id418.html
I actually think Caesars should be commended for taking this action to fix their door. I mention in the article that the door now feels lighter. I don't think they changed the door but if they did that should also be commended.
FAB it makes perfect sense for a company's "claims administration" to send a letter when someone has been injured on their property.
It's official. Not only is my career as a boxer over but so is my career as a hand model. There's a scar and a depression from the lost skin. So don't look for me to hold diamond jewelry on the Home Shopping Network.
Permanent disfigurement (on some of us that's a pre-existing condition) is good $$$. Maybe we can file the suit here in Illinois. They do have a presence here. If not, I can petition the court in L A or Vegas to be admitted "pro hac vice" .
Just tell me when .
Can we get a hold of O J's glove??
Isn't the bankruptcy in a Chicago court?
This time Caesars has proof of the event happening.
After the uproar of disbelief about the craps event I requested the tape from a senior executive I know. I was told casino recordings are quickly recycled unless flagged to be held. Those tapes were not available. Honestly I never thought to ask for the casino tapes of the craps roll. I had no idea what a storm it would cause.
Hi Alan:
I do not think you answered my question. I assume you are not litigious but you had real medical expenses and now you have some disfigurement. At a minimum Ceasars should pay your medical bills (and I mean your gross bills and not just your deductible). But Ceasars will never pay unless you ask in writing. And you need to send a demand in writing to get their attention, perhaps with copies of your medical bills. I expect CP will forward to their insurance carrier and just have it paid out of that liability policy -- but if you want to leave money on the table, its your choice.
FAB
This is not 100% true.
In my 2009 incident in the Rio parking lot, where their construction equipment blew into my car because it wasn't tied down well enough, I did not submit any requests in writing.
I submitted an incident report, and eventually their Risk Management team contacted me.
I told them on the phone that I wanted the cost of the repair repaid to me (about $675, if I remember correctly), and they took a few days to think about it. They then contacted me and told me that they would cut me a check for that amount, provided I signed a release of further liability, which I did.
Here is one of the pics I took of the scene, btw:
Alan, have you given them any concrete number of what you're expecting? That might put an end to this process a lot sooner.
If you haven't yet, you should.
For example:
"I want $300 for my medical bills, and $1700 for both the pain and suffering and the scar that's on my hand, for a total of $2000."
If it's a fairly low figure like that, they might just agree to cut you a check and be done with it.
If it's something over $5000, they will probably fight you on it, and you might even risk getting barred if they think this is a predatory or frivolous lawsuit.
You probably won't get barred (because you've been a reliable middle-high limit player for years and never demanded money out of them before), but you are also much more likely to get cooperation if you keep the figure low.
If I were you, I would probably accept something in the $2000-$2500 range and just be done with it.
While it sucks that you have a scar from it, it might fade over time. Also, given that you're in your 60s, clearly your hands/skin don't look pristine and this point anyway, so a scar is less noticeable.
Also, I'm not sure how strong your case is. I did see how they adjusted the door after your accident, and yes, that does indicate some degree of culpability on their part. However, the original video doesn't show the door slamming shut at breakneck speed, so they might be able to successfully make the case that this injury was the result of your own negligence.
Finally, if you would like some advice, it would be to edit down that second video, and instead splice in footage of the original door closing, so the two can be compared. Maybe even a side-by-side, if you have the ability to do that. We certainly didn't need to see the same door opening and closing for 5 straight minutes.
Dan the reason for the repetition is to show the pattern and not an isolated opening and closing. Caesars has seen the videos. They are talking to my attorney. This is not a big $$ accident.
I got food poisoning from Spice Market buffet; we driving at intersection of Eastern and Fremont. Managed to get to El Cortez valet, fell out of got an ambulance. Thought it was a stroke, but the vomiting was bad. after 11 hrs on a gurney with a puke bucket, I felt well enough to go home. Pl Ho said too bad. it cost me $900 for ambulance plus about $3,000 for the ER room and diagnosis.
VPJUNKIE were you able to prove you got ill from that buffet. The person at Paris told me they were staying there and asked specifically about how some food was prepared. They got the wrong info and illness resulted.
I got ill from the Rincon in January 2014, likely from their buffet.
I could not prove the source of the illness, though.
I drove to Caesars Las Vegas that night (before knowing I was sick), and felt symptoms during the drive.
I fainted the next day in the Caesars room, and broke 3 ribs.
I did not attempt to sue anyone for this, nor did I ask for anything.
This, however, was the trip where the infamous $48 Gatorade incident occurred. I should have demanded some free Gatorade at the very least for all of this, but I was too sick to argue.
I had food poisoning a few months following my kidney and pancreas transplant and was hospitalized. I didn't sue and frankly I can only suspect where I got it. Unless you know the source what can you do?
I was able to collect for a client whose whole family got bed bug bites at a Vegas casino that, due to my agreement, cannot be named here. They initially denied the claim and provided reports from their extermination company showing current testing and treatment.
It wasn't much because bed bug bites eventually go away after a short period of discomfort. However, my client was a server at a top restaurant and he couldn't work because of the visible bites on his neck and arms, so at least we got lost wages as well.
Food poisoning is difficult to prove because so many people don't make a claim. If 20 people rather than 2 make a claim during the same time period, you have your proof.
My daughter has celiac disease and was at a gluten free restaurant. During the dinner time, with the restaurant full, the owner makes an announcement to everyone in the joint: "I'm sorry," he announces, "we just found out that one of our items has gluten in it."
Several people were rushed to hospitals, including my daughter, for treatment. Of course the restaurant paid those who became ill.
I think it's curious that the claims adjustor at Caesars who was assigned to my case has been sent all sorts of documentation including medical receipts from my attorney and has said only that she is waiting for a report from Caesars hotel -- whoever that might be. This claims procedure is taking quite a long time, especially since it only took a couple of days for Caesars to decide to adjust (fix) its door.
The claims representative for Caesars Palace is now asking my attorney why I didn't report a problem with the "mechanics" of the door when I was injured? Huh? Was I supposed to know there was a problem with the mechanics? At the time of the incident I reported to their security what had happened and their security treated me for my injury and their security agent filed a report about it. Now, they are asking why I didn't diagnose and report the mechanical problem?
Well, they certainly knew there was a problem -- because they adjusted the closing speed of the door and the force of the door after my injury.
I updated my website article: http://alanbestbuys.com/id418.html
It's not your job to diagnose or report a mechanical problem, just like it's not your job to ascertain based on a quick visual scan that something is wrong with the door. I don't like this because it suggests if you went in or out of the door previously, she is saying that you should have noticed a problem with the closing speed. It implies the onus is on you to judge the safety of the door and its speed.
If you announce that you had noticed something wrong with the door, and you had gone in or out of the door previously, then that implies you were at fault in using the door. That's bunk.
My initial reaction to this is that they have some sort of precedent or case law to quote (later) in support of the notion that doors aren't inherently safe, and require a degree of care in use. Were someone drunk, and holding out fingers deliberately, who would be to blame?
They are trying (stupidly) to establish that you are making up the problem with the door after-the-fact.
That is, they want to claim that you hurt yourself first, and invented the problem in the door much later (such as days or weeks later, after thinking of a way to blame it on them).
So they're trying to ask, "If the faulty door injured you, why didn't you report it as being faulty at the time?"
But you did do that. You just didn't specifically mention what was wrong with it mechanically -- something you are not required or expected to do.
Just lame sneaky lawyer tricks, but it's not likely to succeed.
I wish this had happened to someone else and i was still on the news.
Just cut them a check and it'll all be over.
This is typical of the legal business these days. Your claim has some value to it, but they will spend more to defend it than it is worth and still ultimately have to pay you. Plus, they may alienate a long time customer.
You have the ability to hurt them in the form of bad publicity which I hope you will consider if they keep screwing with you.
Just curious--do they have their own security footage in that doorway or just yours? I would assume there are cameras at all entryways and throughout the whole casino. You might want to request those tapes. They will refuse short of a lawsuit and a subpoena but it may keep them from destroying them.
Regnis,
Don't quote me on this, but I think the Caesars response will be that those tapes are wiped in 48 hours.
I was tempted to deface the hand of one of the Caesar statues with some red food dye.
Just negotiate for a special 9/5 BP game that only you can play and in exchange you'll drop the issue. :-)
I would have taken my subpoenas and financial damages to Small Claims Court myself early on. Fill out five or six simple pages of forms about what happened when, and what you want with interest. A couple hour's work in filling out forms, copying, filing, mailing and transit to courthouse. Nothing like doing something yourself. A real learning experience. Relatively simple case. Judges like lots of pictures, etc.
You will have a hell of a time ever seeing ANY of their tapes, or even their gaming/security officials, in court. All manner of ways in casino law out of producing such evidence, or appearing to bring it. Even if win, they show up to court some time down the road to plead no contest or an equivalent. At which point you will have a lot of unrecoverable expenses, and more copying, etc. (Their copying to all parties is a sign of no end in sight.)
I've been in similar progression of events two or three times. You gain an intuitive feel for what's happening. They will likely produce some innocent document/minor contract you signed (ages ago and forgot about), or something from case law and the like. These were the few cases I didn't win. Were the judge pretty much declared a draw, save the expenses of the other sides I paid (a few thousand here and there depending on limit allowed at the time), because the other sides didn't bring what was asked for, and were otherwise evasive on the stand.
Never injured, though.
Growing up on the farms, many a time I turned off some chunks of skin on palms and fingers while working. Sometimes, you don't think to put on gloves until the hands get sore. Sometimes, the gloves don't prevent blistering, etc. Looks scarier than is. But it ALWAYS grew back leaving no scars. Even the fingerprints. That what skin does. It's when the fat and muscle below are revealed that you need stitches to keep the skin over top. Otherwise it will heal with a depression where the skin used to be.
Caesars has their own security tape. They told my attorney they have it.
When I had a dispute and filed a claim with Indiana Gaming, I demanded a copy of the tape knowing they wouldn't produce it. However to my surprise, the woman handling the case for the Gaming Board did have the tape (and this was months later) and we discussed it on the phone with me explaining to her what she needed to look for as she watched the tape. I don't know if they kept the tape because I filed a complaint right there at the time of the occurrence, or if they keep all the tapes. But she did watch it and reviewed it with me.
In my case, the claims rep said they had the tape and confirmed that I was holding my cell phone in my left hand. As I entered the door was closing on my right side and my right hand was caught. It was on July 14 that the claims rep told my lawyer they had the tape. My injury was on June 24.
Just back from my doctor. I developed a secondary skin infection from the wound and antibiotics. This sucks.
If you have a medical problem from this accident Alan, get the proper attention. Use your health insurance. Make it easy on yourself. Why are you wanting CET to pay you anything? Is it worth all this time-wasting, esp. since you still work? People have accidents like this all the time in their homes, in other people's homes, and elsewhere, and the great majority of them are handled without people trying to mooch money from a big company just because they're a big company. One of the biggest problems in this country is people thinking they can sue because of some minor issue with their feelings hurt, and in the end get a big check. How'd your daughter's suit go in Tucson?
Did Dan put you up to this thread just to get ratings for his flop?
I hope you don't do the usual huff & puff and "I'll call my lawyer on you in the morning!", but if you do I'm letting you know that I feel stupid for still posting on this board because hardly anyone reads it, and I won't be reading anything here any more. In fact, unlike the great days in the early 2000's of vp_heaven, there is absolutely nothing of any value left for gaming posting forums. vpfree is full of weak, dumb players who love their free buffets. When wizard sold his soul to foreigners after humiliating himself in order to keep liquid after his gambling failed him, it was well known then that those idiot members of his were going to scatter throughout any forums that allow posting, and ruin them. That's exactly what's been happening here, and now it's left with scraps.
The gig is up for all this nonsense. I'm surprised I spent any time at all in the past 6 months posting anywhere.
Yes Rob I am getting treatment. Yesterday I spent an hour with one doctor about the new skin infection which was diagnosed as a secondary infection from the Caesars accident. Then I had to consult with my transplant doctor to be sure I could safely take the new medicine that was being prescribed. And then I went to my pharmacy to get the new medicines. Yes I have health insurance.
I forgot that Alan had a kidney transplant.
That could actually help him here, as his past health issues (combined with the infection AND being over 60 years old) could easily gain sympathy with a jury, whereas a young guy making these same claims could be dismissed as exaggerating a minor injury.
Caesars attorneys may actually take this under consideration and give a better settlement offer.
Pretty sure this will never go to trial, either way.