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Math guys, I need your help. I found this vp machine that is unlike others, here is the pay schedule.....jacks or better 1:1, 2 pair 2:1, 3 0f a kind pays 3:1, straight pays 5:1, flush pays 7:1, full house pays 10:1, 40ak pays 50:1, straightflush pays 120:1, rf pays 500:1..... what is the advantage on this game
This game would be 109.2192%. Are you sure two pair pays 2:1 instead of 1:1?Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
Is the royal flush 500 to 1 for each coin bet? If so, five coins pays only 2500 ???
Yes micky, it pays 2:1 for 2 pair....and this game has 2 extra multiplier, it literally called bonus and a joker....let me explain, when u play this game, it randomly gives u a bonus symbol, which multiplies everything by 2. And it also has the joker feature which is random too, it too multiplies any winning hand by 2. Now here is the beauty, should u be lucky to get both the multipliers at the same time( which doesn't happen often) it multiplies any winning hand by 4...... u don't have to bet any extra coin to get these features.........this machines are definitely gaffed, I mean it has to be right, or the owners will lose thier shirt.....I know these machines are not class b bingo based machines, I checked me by throwing away dealt full houses and didn't get any paying hands on the redeal..... so what is the deal with these machines?
Yes Alan, rf pays 500:1 even on max bet
This changes everything. Can you take a screenshot of the game and post it up here? What is the name of the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
Spectacular. Never seen anything like it.
Who needs a joker or multipliers with a super fantastic, out of this world, LUCKY find like that?
Not that I don't believe Lucky, but if need to see a screen shot of the game and the complete screen shots of the rules as well. There has to be some sort of gimmick for this game.
Thats my thoughts too. I suspect that lucky is missing something about the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
"Lucky" has done this before to get a quick shot of attention. There won't be any pics, unless he "found" it on a cruise ship or in a foreign country.
there are all kinds of joker-poker games where the royal flush pays 2500 coins instead of 4000 coins. And I believe the payback on these games is close to 96%. Pechanga in San Diego has lots of them.
This is why I asked about the payback on the royal. Lucky says its 500 to 1 even with five coins in. That's 2500 coins.
So don't hit a royal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
lucky referred to a "joker feature" and a "bonus symbol." He didn't say anything about a joker being in the deck and with the payscale he put up there is no Five of a Kind listed. I have no idea what he's talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
With the payscale lucky listed who cares about a royal flush or even the straight flush. You would have about a 6% edge just up through the Four of a Kind.
I thought it was a joker game based on this:
Like the rest of you, I'd like to see a photo of this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
There games where the pay table is irrelevant. The return is fixed. What state is this machine in?
Because it's very complicated trying to upload pictures here, I can send the picture through e mail to anyone on this forum and they can upload it. Once again I repeat, this game is NOT a bingo based class 2 games. And yes micky, when I say joker, I don't mean it to be wild card(joker).....it's just a multiplier... the name of the game is joker bonus. Both r multipliers. Randomly awarded. 2 pair pays 2:1.......I am not going to reveal at this moment where I found this game, I want to make sure this game is truly random legit non gaffed machine. If it is truly legit game, I intent to ask bob dancer a finders fee and thus give myself a big enough bankroll to kill this game....
So exactly how are you going to go about "making sure" this is a truly random machine before trying to get money out of Dancer?
Tell you what--you can email the picture to me ( rob.singer1111@yahoo.com ) and I'll post it. But be sure to also include the location state as arci said. Once we get this all nailed down and confirm its validity as well as the denomination(s) it can be played at, then you'll be well on your way to getting a big check from Dancer!
Lucky, I'd keep it to myself and privately email Dancer. If it's for real, the fewer people know about it, the better.
Lucky, who is the manufacturer of the machine the game is on?
How to post a picture on this site.
1. Put the picture in documents on your computer.
2.When making a new post click on Go Advanced on the bottom right.
3. Scroll down and click on Manage Attachments.
4. Click on Add Files
5. Click on Browse
6. Click the picture in documents you want to upload.
7. Click on Upload.
8. Click on Insert Online
9. Click on Done
10. Left Click and hold down on the picture and drag it into the area that says "drag previously uploaded files into this area."
That will put your picture up, lucky
If the game is legitimate you won't need much of a bankroll. A few hundred dollars will do.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
I just ran this game on the software setting the straight flush and royal flush on zero. The game has a 107% RTP just up through the Four of a Kind. Just a 427 game cycle. This game would be payday everyday. Playing this game 5 or six hours a day you would have a very hard time having a losing day. It's to good to be true. I think lucky is missing something.
If this is for real I'd be willing to work out a deal (give you a % free-roll and my team plays it, you get a % of the action overall, or if we just pay you a $$$ amount for the information). I can be reached: shagatola at yahoo dot com. If you email me, can you let me know on here? I don't regularly check that email, but I more regularly check this forum.
EDIT: If you give the information to Dancer, there's a good chance he won't play it or whatever, but he'll just rat it out to the casino (and give them some fluffed up numbers) to show them they need him as their game protection expert.
We don't seem to be getting any real info here. Like where it is located, who is the manufacturer, photo of pay table and rules describing this odd bonus.
And why would you not exploit it yourself? You don't need much of a bankroll and you seem to play frequently.
Why involve Dancer?
Come on Lucky---
Add me to the list of people who don't understand why you would send this to Dancer. How is he even relevant here?
I will be glad to post the screen shot for you. Feel free to text it to me at (775) 372-8355.
(Anyone else who wants to text me at any time, you can also use that number.)
It's been five days and....*crickets*
I saw him browsing the thread after I made my post, so I'm not sure why he didn't respond to us.
Come on lucky... tell us what's going on.
As I said, he's done this before, and there's one chance his claim is for real: none. He mentioned Dancer paying him for the info only to increase the buzz. The funniest part of all this is how "pro player & team extraordinaire rep" RS__ believes this to be the most serious event in his life since discovering cheap, folding lawn chairs. :)
A play like lucky described, even if it were true, would not last long. Maybe a day or two. I remember a big mistake that Golden Nugget/Laughlin slot techs made in 2002. They changed an 8-coin dollar 9/6 Jacks bartop from 8 coins to 5 coins. But they mistakenly left the 8-coin paytable in effect. When you made a high pair you got payed 8 for 5, two pair 16 for 5, etc. This turned it into a 173% game. The play lasted until the next day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
In normal 9/6 Jacks a HP/TP/3K represent 70% of the payback. But in the above described game they represent 111% of the payback. How much bankroll would you need on this play? Got a hundred dollar bill?
Yup, which is why I've been begging and pleading him for the information all along.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Grow up.
That's funny RS__. You got caught with your "team pro" pants down on this one! You scan thru all the posts and aside from mickey playing with him a few times, you were "heartfelt serious" in your quest for this lucky to divulge the info into your lap.
Like I said, it's super funny watching an amateur at work :):)
I read most of the posts on this forum, since there aren't that many anyway. Not sure what you're trying to get at. If he's willing to sell the information off, I may as well give myself a shot at being the one who gets it. And it'd be stupid to sell it off to Dancer since he'd most likely just tell the casino in an attempt to get a job there.
Why do you try to hijack every thread and start saying shit in all these threads? Live and let live.
Because he's the great Rob Singer.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
When is he going to be appearing on Gambling With An Edge?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
They should have him on for comedic value only!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
K sorry for the late reply guys, I was busy negotiating a finders fee with someone who??? Which state is it in??? U r not going to get an answer from me, I have just send a pic to dan, in the pic that he will upload, u will see one of the 8s has a joker marked on it, like I said before, that joker is not a wild card but a multiplier, a if u look at the payout for the quad, it shows 1145, because when u hit a paying hand, the amount decreases from the pay schedule while ur credit racks up, understand? E.g. If I hit 2 pair, the machine payshedule decreases by 100 while ur credit racks up by 100.....and when u bet for the next hand, the pay schedule goes back to normal,, I hit quads with the joker multiplier, 2500*2=5000, I had about 3000when I hit that, that's why my credit shows 7005, I took the pic when the amount was going up in my credit and decreasing correspondingly from the quad payshedule, like I said this machine is very different.....I played 3 days straight for total of 17 hoursand won quite a bit..... I got both the multiplier together very few times, the highest I got for it was a 3 of a kind, which I couldn't turn it to a quad,
lucky, it's a bad move to sell information on the play. You don't know what could happen. How many people is that person going to tell? To many pigs at the trough can get a play squashed quicker than anything else.
Not completely sure I understand lucky's explanation of the paytable "decreasing" when you hit.
Can you be more clear regarding what you mean?
As it appears the "base" bet here is 50, the paytable seems to be:
Jacks/Better 1
2-pair 2
Trips 3
Straight 5
Flush 7
Full House 10
Quads 22.9 (??)
Straight Flush 120
Royal 500
As posted, the return is about 102.9%, which is still excellent.
But please explain what the "standard" pay table is for this game, and how/when that changes.
BTW, here is an odds calculator you can use: https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/analyzer/
This is correct. I've seen this happen all too many times.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You're best off giving it to someone you trust (or at least semi-trust), in exchange for part of the action and/or flat payment, and then getting a promise from them that they will tell no one else.
Of course if he sells the info at a certain price, why should he care who else gets the info or how it is used? I would just insist on cash up front.
But from the buyer's perspective... how do you know you are paying for valid information?
I still want to see the complete rules screens before making any determination. Remember, lucky did say that the joker was some sort of multiplier.
Looks like an old school coin-op amusement/arcade game manufactured by Bonanza Enterprises, Ltd.
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
If the base bet is 50 then it's not a +EV game. No one any this point knows the true effect of those "multipliers", or even if this is an online game played for fun or whatever. Lucky is still full of it until he elaborates further. And no one would ever pay for this info the sloppy way he's thus far articulated it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
It seems a few are feeling bad for the way RS__ jumped out and stepped in this thing. Hardly the way any "pro" would approach anything in his area of so-called "expertise". Yet please do continue to fit him for his diapers.....
mickey remains infatuated with Dancer's silly radio show that helps no one except Dancer and that Munchkin creep, who both get $50/episode. That averages out to about $10/listener. And a good slice of that goes to Shirley. In other words, to most people it's a joke, and to Shirley it's a laugher. To take it a step further, to anyone with intelligence it's a big waste of time.
Well, Rob, if you had a radio show, I guess then people would have an alternative, wouldn't they?
I have to agree with Rob on this one. If the bet is 50 coins and the royal pays 2500 coins then royal only pays 50 for 1.
Dancer is older than even me. He for some reason--and guess what that is--continues to need money from whatever source possible. I don't. Otherwise, I would easily have the most popular gaming show ever, just as my Gaming Today column was for nearly 8 glorious years. And oh....he lost out to me on that one, and unlike the future childless divorcee, I even did it for zero pay. In fact, that may very well be where the term "them apples" originated from.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I think he means he took the picture while the credits were still racking up from the win. The game probably shows the amount of coins won then that amount decreases to zero as his credits rack up to the amount of the win. My guess is the credits rack up slowly. This game appears to be older than the hills. And I think nerakil hit the nail on the head. This is a "for amusement only." game. It's been common knowledge for years that if there is a sign on the machine that says "for amusement only" then it's not random.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Doesn't the photo that Dan posted show a bet of 50 with 25000 paid for the royal?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Here are the pays I see for a 50 credit bet:
JOB 50
2P 100
3OAK 150
ST 250
FL 350
FH 500
4OAK 1146
SF 6000
RF 25000
I think Oregon, Washington and New York are some of the states where the game is not random. The pay tables are meaningless. That is why I asked about the state.
I have to admit that Rob's videos on my website have had thousands of views.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
And twice as many laughs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I see it now. I didn't have the picture fully in the screen so thought the royal was 2500 instead of 25000.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Most machine pros don't participate in the gambling forums. They consider Rob's strategies to be a joke but they love having him out there disinforming the masses. It serves to stifle competition for the real playsQuote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
How many machine pros are there? Do you know all or most of them?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Arci nice to see you posting again.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcimede$
For entertainment purposes,not for video poker knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Funny watching the envious critics obsess and then jump out of their seats with wishful-thinking comments when even the simplest of things is brought up about me. :)
That pic of four 8's? was taken in such a way as to avoid showing that there is no cash involved in this game. It's graphics are also suspicious.
I wrote a GT article about a vp machine I found in Almaty, Kazakhstan: job with four joker wild cards that paid even money for 7's or better, 2:1 for 2-pr., 3:1 for trips, 4:1 for a straight, 6:1 for a flush, 9:1 for a FH, 25:1 for quads, 100:1 for four jokers, 50:1 for a SF, 800:1 for a RF with at least one joker, and 2000:1 for a natural RF. I put in $300 to try it out on a denomination that was equivalent to about 15c/credit. I lost it in less than an hour. The machine was an IGT.
So the location makes all the difference if this "machine" has a pic showing that it is an actual machine and not some online dream game.
It looks like when lucky took this picture the credit meter in the upper left (green color) at 7005 credits was still racking up the credits while the credits in the payscale (red color) at 1145 credits for the 4 of a Kind was going down. I think it's just a feature to show the credits are being transferred to the credit meter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Lucky listed the 4 of a Kind paying 50 for 1 so with a 50 coin bet the hit would pay 2500 coins plus the 8 of diamonds with the joker on it should double the pay to 5000 coins. Or is it just credits on an arcade game?
Those cheesy graphics do make this "machine" look pretty much like one of those arcade games played for fun in non-gambling establishments such as bars and some restaurants.
Yes micky is absolutely spot on with his explanation, that's how the machine pays out. I don't care either way if u guys think it's a arcade or online game, it's neither. I got half of my finders fee wired to me this morning and the other half will be doled out when that person and I take a trip to that casino. The agreement all verbal is that only the 2 of us will be working on these machines, it's not like there is a bank ofthem. I don't know how long the machines will stay in place, since previously it was practically sitting empty and now soon it will be getting worked on everyday at the max bet.
More BS that only a mother would believe. No one would ever "wire money" to anyone w/o absolute confirmation--and even then, it's basically impossible that someone would give cash away to a proven online kook.
So how about providing some pictures showing CASH instead of credits and showing some casino background?
Lucky, I'll give you credit. You sucked these degenerates in and kept them occupied for a week and now it's going on 4 pages. I personally think you are full of ***** but it is great fun watching the parade of fools.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
Lucky, what denomination is this game, pennies, nickels, quarters?
Also, we know the 8 of diamonds is the joker card. Which card is the bonus symbol on?
Uh, oh. Looks like belly is at it again. I know. You are just collecting information, right? Belly when are you ever going to put all that information you are collecting to good use? I knew a couple of dozen machine AP's personally when I was in Nevada. And I've met more in the online gambling forums. I've taken heat from some of them for the information on games I've put up in the forums. And I know how they think about Singer.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
I have no idea how many there are nationwide. And I don't think I know most of them. You got an honest answer but I think you will find a way to disparage it.
That's right, I'm seeking information...and trying to determine whether any of the wormm-speak that you dish out on multiple forums on a daily basis is truthful.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Honesty is the best policy...let's see if you can stick with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
If you have no idea how many machine pros exist, and acknowledge that you don't know most of them, then how can you know what most of them think about anybody's strategies?
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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Find someone else to troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
I don't know all the mathematicians in the world, but I'll say most if not all agree 2+2=4.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
There's a difference between fact and opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
Are you able to say what most mathematicians opinions are on any subject?
Not on any subject, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
I agree, there is a difference between fact and opinion. Rob Singer's method does not work -- that's a fact.
RS__....please do tell how you "know" my method "does not work". Explain what happened during the times you've tried it. Actually, explain how it works.
You would have been a good mock and public challenge in the LV papers in 2005 when I challenged the Huntington Press crowd on this same subject and claims, outlining exactly how I could 100% prove I've won consistently using my "method"----and if there were any doubt by anyone who took the challenge I would pay for a court-appointed arbitrator, who's decision would be final.
HP humiliated themselves by declining to participate, choosing instead to keep making unsubstantiated assertions while I continued to ridicule them publicly almost on a weekly basis for their virtual bravado and actual cowardice. Of course, it would have been the same with an anonymous hack like you, as your entire joke of a "team" wouldn't have been able to even come close to the escrow I posted for the bet. And yes, that includes Tom Robertson, who withered along with the rest of them.
Yes, Rob made that challenge for $650,000 which was what he said he had won up to that point on machines and still had the money in the bank. The only problem is, we now know that Rob never payed taxes on any of his win--at least that's what he says. If he spent the money and created the write offs then how did he still have the money in the bank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
The "challenge" was typical Rob Singer, making then changing the stipulations on the bet so many times that people got exasperated and quit dealing with him. And, of course, that's when Rob CLAIMED VICTORY!!!!! Way to go, Rob. You sure showed them!
I can say that close to 100% of them would laugh at Singer's claims. That's a few thousand really smart folks who think he's a fraud. Why do you deny their knowledge?Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
I wouldn`t expect an answer for at least 15 minutes...Coach Belly and his man-idol Rob are currently doing the horizontal mambo in the backseat of Rob`s Pinto behind a Home DepotQuote:
Originally Posted by arcimede$
I don't deny their knowledge...I haven't heard or read the knowledge of a few thousand folks regarding Singer's claims...have you?Quote:
Originally Posted by arcimede$
How machine machine pros are there? Do you know all or most of them?
Look who's having homoerotic fantasies now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biloxi Bill
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Originally Posted by Biloxi Bill
There's not much mystery to Rob's claims. Just take a summary of his system to the heads of the math departments of the three universities closest to you. Offer some meager donation to the general scholarship fund (I'd suggest $100) if they could spend 20 or 30 minutes reading Rob's systems and claims, and then listen to what they have to say.
If people want to really get a handle on this stuff, that would seem like a reasonable way to do it.
If you believe Rob's stuff works, and you're going to lug 52K or whatever around to try to win with it, a $300 investment in three professional opinions would seem a fair and rational starting point.
It's called math.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
If someone told me I could breathe underwater, I don't need to try to breathe underwater to realize that person is full of shit.
Now that the mud slinging has died down, I want to answer micky.....the bonus multiplier shows up in red bold letters right below the bet symbol. The bonus comes (if it comes) when u press the deal button and the joker (if it comes) always when the cards are being dealt. The joker never appears on redeal. Yes, the bet wagered is in dollars. In this forum, due to the actions of few characters, now every thing stated on this forum by anybody is doubted and ridiculed. Personally it doesn't matter to me coz I got a hefty finders fee plus till the casino kills the games, I will be making some great money. You guys asked for a picture I gave it to you. I did not send dan other pictures of the machines because I am worried that somebody might recognize the background and blow the location.