Wizofpuke is Rob Singer

Sure he has tried to tone down the wording slightly, but makes all the same arguments that singer did in almost the same wording.

same attacks on AP's

same attacks on mickey calling him both two bit and a drunk

same attacks on me referencing me being gay and drama

same attacks on RS, for defending.

Obsession with defending Singer. Knows everything about Singers claims.

First said he was a member of Wov, later amended that to he was a member of wov when Singer was there.


There is a message board analyzer that analyzes messages from supposedly different posters and gives the probability that they are the same poster. I am waiting on a friend to send me that link to that analyzer. The larger the sample size the more accurate. We now have more than 20 posts from "puke", way more than necessary for an accurate analysis. Anyone want to guess at the results? I am guessing analyzer will conclude better than a 99% they are one and the same. :cool:

I'm usually wrong, but I'll guess "no match." Rob has more "panache" than anyone else with a similar viewpoint.

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I'm usually wrong, but I'll guess "no match." Rob has more "panache" than anyone else with a similar viewpoint.

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That's what sock-puppets do. They try to throw you off by toning down what would otherwise be the dead give-away. But they cannot hide or change the way they think and/or write.

It may take a while to get a response from my friend as he is not online that much anymore. But I left both an email and a message on his forum, so hopefully will hear back from him in a day or two. I think it will be very conclusive that they are one and the same.

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I am guessing analyzer will conclude better than a 99% they are one and the same.

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LOL...So are these finally your final thoughts?...or are more final thoughts on the way?

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I will not be returning to this site. This is my final post.

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I am guessing analyzer will conclude better than a 99% they are one and the same.

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LOL...So are these finally your final thoughts?...or are more final thoughts on the way?

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I will not be returning to this site. This is my final post.

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Fuck you. Get back to the 10 year old boy you are molesting, you fucking asshole.

So where is Singer or Wizofpuke? Tuesday the day he empties the shitter on the mobile "home" that he lives in? In someone else's driveway, BTW, running an electrical extension cord to someone else's house. Million dollar video poker winner. Living in his daughter's driveway stealing utilities. ;)

KJ, try as you might, your attempts at trolling come off as the feeble attempts of a junior varsity wannabe.

Best leave trolling to those who are good at it.

Did anyone hear, I'm able to type two separate sentences at a time, one with each hand.

Fuck you fucking piece of shit asshole! I don't really know who I'm talking to, just seemed like the appropriate thing to say here

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Fuck you fucking piece of shit asshole! I don't really know who I'm talking to, just seemed like the appropriate thing to say here

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:D:cool:

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Fuck you fucking piece of shit asshole! I don't really know who I'm talking to, just seemed like the appropriate thing to say here

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Winner winner chicken dinner

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Fuck you fucking piece of shit asshole! I don't really know who I'm talking to, just seemed like the appropriate thing to say here

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I know.

From what I can see, yes, it is Rob Singer.

I have banned that accuont.

KewlJ, I also deleted 3 threads of yours.

Two of them were junk threads basically duplicating this one, and the other was a nasty (and apparently untrue) personal attack on coach belly.

Regardless of how you feel about these users, you cannot spam this board with junk threads, nor can you make highly inflammatory ones like you did about belly.

And you are not banning kewlj??

Also, you've never deleted threads before -- you closed them. Why the different treatment this time?

Frankly, the threads should not have been deleted. There were threats made in those threads and they can be considered evidence.

My suggestion is you restore the threads as "closed threads."

Two of the threads were complete junk (duplicating this one) and were cluttering the forum.

The one about coach belly was of no value to this forum, so it has been removed. I can bring it back at any point if I need "evidence", but I can't imagine the need for that anyway.

I am sending you a private message Dan.

Stop your crying Alan.

You are begging Dan to ban someone who broke no rules? Show me a rule that I broke? You guys, including Singer, who you are now begging be reinstated, have been trolling, attacking and hijacking threads by mickey and I since I have been here.

So now Alan is trying to bully Dan. And now he is going to take it a step further and send a private message to further bully him, out of site. You are sad Alan. A very sad man.

Did anyone notice that Alan slowed way down on his posting when the wop showed up? He was in on it and didn't want to slip up and give it away. Alan should be banned.

So long Robbie the wop. So you don't use sockpuppet's, eh?

One less duncetroll. Yippee!

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Did anyone notice that Alan slowed way down on his posting when the wop showed up? He was in on it and didn't want to slip up and give it away. Alan should be banned.

So long Robbie the wop. So you don't use sockpuppet's, eh?

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I remember onetime on FREEvpFREE Rob created a sock puppet and it was obvious he and the sockpuppet had the same writing style. Everyone called him out on it. So Rob created a new sockpuppet that wrote with absolutely no caps. But try as he might Rob's personality will start showing through the sockpuppet sooner or later. He got called out again.

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Frankly, the threads should not have been deleted. There were threats made in those threads and they can be considered evidence.

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A fictitious username threatening another fictitious username? C'mon, Alan.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

From what I can see, yes, it is Rob Singer.

I have banned that accuont.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

I am sending you a private message Dan.

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I feel sorry for Dan having this little bitch texting and Pm`ng him all the time....Dan obviously has a life and another forum....Like I said, Alan just wants to be the center of attention here, and when he`s not, he reverts back to eating Gerber`s and drinking his warm bottle of milk.....I actually liked KJ`s thread...great title and lots of valuable info in there....the fact it was 6 pages long says something about whom it was written about too

I'm a lot slower than KJ. I had only had a few slight suspicions that wop might be a sockpuppet. But since KJ exposed him I've gone over many of wizpukes posts. It's right there plain as day to me now. All of Rob's themes are there. All of wops posts scream out "I'M ROB SINGER!!! I'M ROB SINGER!!!"

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

From what I can see, yes, it is Rob Singer.

I have banned that accuont.

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I didn't detect it. I'd be interested to see any old quotes showing identical phrasing from both Rob and puke. I searched for "I win", but didn't get any hits.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

And you are not banning kewlj??

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I oppose bans generally except in extreme circumstances. I'm not sure Dan is doing kj any favors by allowing him to continue.

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I oppose bans generally except in extreme circumstances. I'm not sure Dan is doing kj any favors by allowing him to continue.

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I don't think Kiwlj should be banned. He is an asset for helping to confirm alleged big mouth AP's are phonies and frauds.

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I'm a lot slower than KJ. I had only had a few slight suspicions that wop might be a sockpuppet.

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I am usually really horrible at identifying sock puppets. Axel is really good at that, so I was sort of expecting that either he or you would bust rob right away.

But Wizofpuke was just so extremely easy it practically hit me over the head. In his very first post he declared Mickey "was on the sause". His second and third post also referenced mickey drinking. Whether you like mickey or not, most of us know that he has been sober for what 8-9 months now? And if he were to fall of the wagon, so what. That's his battle. None of our business except to wish him well. There was only one person completely obsessed with mickey's drinking and that was Singer/Argentino.

Second easy clue involved me, maybe that's why this one was so easy for me. It was his second day, his 4th or 5th post, I think that thread I started after returning home the second time (from cardiac rehab facility). WizardofPuke referenced my being gay. I don't think I make a lot of references to being gay. Because it is a non issue for me. I know there are people that disapprove of gays/gay lifestyle and that is their right. I am not trying to be in anyone's face with something that makes them uncomfortable. It does not define me and just doesn't matter with the topics I talk about, even if it is sharing something personal that I am going through like heart surgery and recovery. The only time I ever make reference to being gay is some sort of humor or joke and only in response to a joke or comment that someone lese made first. But Singer, or "puke" first chance he got had to mention that I was gay and in a very disapproving way. There just aren't that many people that care. Classic Singer.

One other funny thing was him pretending not to know who the owner of this site was in his opening post. That just seemed to reek of insincerity. It immediately smelled like someone trying a little too hard to throw us off the scent.

Easy pickings on this one.

As for Alan, yeah, it is one of those things that you can't prove, but looking back, Alan clearly backed off and gave "Puke" his space. He did the same thing in Singer's final days when Singer was at his worst. Either he was aware beforehand that this was Singer and agreed to give him space or he is just afraid of his friend Argentino. Either way it's a case of lack of integrity and honesty from the guy who constantly tells us what journalistic integrity he has.

And that is one of my biggest issues with Alan, he is always being "sneaky" and deceptive. Alan is very anti-AP in his agenda here. He dislikes AP's and anything to do with advantage play and he spends a great deal of time and effort trying to undermine the AP members. When you call him out on it he will deny it, but is as sincere as OJ Simpson, spending his days looking for the killer of Nicole and Ron Brown. I almost respect the AP haters that are honest and upfront, more than Alan and his game off deceit....which he doesn't play very well.

Wow -- see what I miss when I'm actually in Las Vegas. Wiz of Puke would have been proud -- I took the LuxBus, which leads to an important observation I'll share in another thread.

By the way, the tipoff for me was when someone posted about me having conflicted views regarding Mr. Singer. Rob knows I respect his posts regarding the problems with AP pay and addictions and tipping (still LOL), and I respect his writing, but he's a gambling quack. Now it would be really something if someone other than Rob, having been here a short while, immediately drew those conclusions. Man, the new poster would have to have read a ton of old stuff.

But without evidence, everybody gets a pass.

Briefly looking back on this stuff, yeah, looks as if Alan was in on this. That would be my best guess. If true, the slimeball quotient just keeps rising. No evidence, however.

It does, however, put Alan in a tough spot. If he denies it, and Rob says Alan knew, then Alan looks even worse for denying it.

Alan has been exposed for what he is, dishonest. It wasn't me that continues to expose this of him, but it is he, himself. But he thinks it is me and now wants me removed.

He texted Dan yesterday afternoon requesting that Dan look at the forum because he though and hoped Dan would ban me. Last night at 1am, when Dan visited the site, he confirmed WizofPuke was Singer (something Alan was probably in on) and then Dan removed several of my threads that he found distasteful. Alan's response "You are not going to an kewlJ?" Dan explained that he was not, to which Alan the sent Dan a private message again no doubt, demanding Dan ban me.

For me, this is shades of my experience at Wov in the final days. A prima donna member, bullying and attempting to use his influence / friendship with the site owner to get someone banned that they don't like, or don't like the opinions of. These bullys can't play on a level playing field. Things aren't going their way and they want to change the rules and kick out those they don't like.

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I'm a lot slower than KJ. I had only had a few slight suspicions that wop might be a sockpuppet.

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I am usually really horrible at identifying sock puppets. Axel is really good at that, so I was sort of expecting that either he or you would bust rob right away.

But Wizofpuke was just so extremely easy it practically hit me over the head. In his very first post he declared Mickey "was on the sause". His second and third post also referenced mickey drinking. Whether you like mickey or not, most of us know that he has been sober for what 8-9 months now? And if he were to fall of the wagon, so what. That's his battle. None of our business except to wish him well. There was only one person completely obsessed with mickey's drinking and that was Singer/Argentino.

Second easy clue involved me, maybe that's why this one was so easy for me. It was his second day, his 4th or 5th post, I think that thread I started after returning home the second time (from cardiac rehab facility). WizardofPuke referenced my being gay. I don't think I make a lot of references to being gay. Because it is a non issue for me. I know there are people that disapprove of gays/gay lifestyle and that is their right. I am not trying to be in anyone's face with something that makes them uncomfortable. It does not define me and just doesn't matter with the topics I talk about, even if it is sharing something personal that I am going through like heart surgery and recovery. The only time I ever make reference to being gay is some sort of humor or joke and only in response to a joke or comment that someone lese made first. But Singer, or "puke" first chance he got had to mention that I was gay and in a very disapproving way. There just aren't that many people that care. Classic Singer.

One other funny thing was him pretending not to know who the owner of this site was in his opening post. That just seemed to reek of insincerity. It immediately smelled like someone trying a little too hard to throw us off the scent.

Easy pickings on this one.

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I suspected it was a sockpuppet from the first post. Hell, the name Wizardofpuke was a dead give away. It could have also been someone who supports and communicated with Rob, I didn't really care to put that much thought into it.

Anytime I call someone out as a sockpuppet people get pissed off including the Mods. So unless someone is addressing me or whatever they are saying has some effect on me, I don't really care, especially here with so many hateful people trolling.

I had other things more important than to get too involved in this crazy mess, especially when you guys start with Pedophilia talk, threats and personal shit. That's not what I signed up for here.

Between guys like Alan, Blackhole, Rob and the others, I would be here all day fucking around so I mostly just watched it play out.

I did my good forum deed for the month on WOV when I found jopke and let him know what Bjpro was saying so he debunk him in the SHUFFLE MASTER TRUTH SOLVED thread.

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Alan has been exposed for what he is, dishonest. It wasn't me that continues to expose this of him, but it is he, himself. But he thinks it is me and now wants me removed.

He texted Dan yesterday afternoon requesting that Dan look at the forum because he though and hoped Dan would ban me. Last night at 1am, when Dan visited the site, he confirmed WizofPuke was Singer (something Alan was probably in on) and then Dan removed several of my threads that he found distasteful. Alan's response "You are not going to an kewlJ?" Dan explained that he was not, to which Alan the sent Dan a private message again no doubt, demanding Dan ban me.

For me, this is shades of my experience at Wov in the final days. A prima donna member, bullying and attempting to use his influence / friendship with the site owner to get someone banned that they don't like, or don't like the opinions of. These bullys can't play on a level playing field. Things aren't going their way and they want to change the rules and kick out those they don't like.

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At best Alan is an enabler who encourages Rob to spew BS. Alan will only say anything if it makes Alan look bad or contradicts something Alan has already said.

If I had to guess, there seems to be some monetary reasons for Alan to support Robs Anti-AP agenda.

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I suspected it was a sockpuppet from the first post. Hell, the name Wizardofpuke was a dead give away. It could have also been someone who supports and communicated with Rob, I didn't really care to put that much thought into it.

Anytime I call someone out as a sockpuppet people get pissed off including the Mods. So unless someone is addressing me or whatever they are saying has some effect on me, I don't really care, especially here with so many hateful people trolling.

I had other things more important than to get too involved in this crazy mess, especially when you guys start with Pedophilia talk, threats and personal shit. That's not what I signed up for here.

Between guys like Alan, Blackhole, Rob and the others, I would be here all day fucking around so I mostly just watched it play out.

I did my good forum deed for the month on WOV when I found jopke and let him know what Bjpro was saying so he debunk him in the SHUFFLE MASTER TRUTH SOLVED thread.

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Good to see Axel make his cherry-picked cameo appearance reminding everyone how he saw it all from the very beginning and letting everyone know how he’s above it all just leaning on the rail. Why post anything at all?

I’m still waiting for you to link me to one of your interesting posts here.

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I had other things more important than to get too involved in this crazy mess, especially when you guys start with Pedophilia talk, threats and personal shit. That's not what I signed up for here.

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I think I should address this comment because I kind of get the feeling just maybe you are talking about me here. :rolleyes:

My pedophilia thread targeting coach belly was obnoxious. And I will take this opportunity to formally apologize to coach belly. I was trying to take things to the extreme to show just how ridiculous all the personal attacks are. I though if I took it to the extremist area of bad taste that I could possible go (short of calling someone a murdered), it would show just how lame and ridiculous we all are when it comes to personal attacks. That obviously didn't play well and just made me look like the same nasty angry, bitter person that I am railing against. AND basically, I couldn't even pull it off. Mr v commented almost immediately that I couldn't pull it off. It was almost a relief that someone who doesn't like me and hasn't for a long time on several forums, like Mr v, recognized that I was not being sincere in these attacks because despite that he doesn't like me, he was smart enough to KNOW that is not who I am.

I mean, I feel like I am under attack on this site, everything I say regarding my blackjack career as well as on a personal level and frankly I don't get it. I am a AP, I make a living playing blackjack, using the simplest, one of the oldest and most well know form of AP. I am NOT rich, Nor will I et rich off of my AP play. I am able to grind out what I consider a comfortable living and I am proud of that. I have been called a dinosaur and that is true to some extent as there just are very few younger guys getting into card counting AP. And you know what, I am proud of that too. I wear that dinosaur or grinder label with honor. I am not smart, nor doing anything groundbreaking, nor certainly not new. I am probably the dumbest AP in the "club".

But I play a game I still enjoy and make a living doing so. And I enjoy sharing some of my experiences of doing so, and honestly hope maybe one or two other's can benefit by me sharing. THAT is what the message boards are about to me. And THIS IS a gambling related message board, so it baffles me as to why I and other AP's are met with such hostility? :confused: Who is selling anything? :confused: Who is asking anyone to buy anything? :confused: Is mickey selling anything? :confused: Is Axel or RS pushing a book or system? :confused: fuck no. So why the freaking anger and hostility? :confused:

And in my case because I have participated on numerous forums and am a little bit known and people know of some of my issues and mistakes that I am not proud of as well as some personal stuff, this hostility manifests itself with very personal attacks and comments. It's very disappointing and even hurtful. :confused:

And I gotta tell you the response to my current medical situation has been really eye-opening. I didn't post about this situation looking or sympathy. It just so happens that this whole situation, including the very short notice was a shockingly event in my life, so I shared that and what I was going through almost in real time, with the forum that I currently call home. I appreciate the support that I received, but found it stunning that there were some really negative comments almost broken down by that divide line of anti-AP that I frequently reference. It really sad that this site has lost all sense of humanity. :(

And knowing that, I guess it was rather naïve of me to think that my little exercise yesterday of extreme nastiness and bad taste would have any effect on anyone. I honestly thought maybe it would open some eyes. Really disappointing that we are beyond that. :(

So yes, I will again apologize to coach belly. If you feel like we have a score to settle I will be happy to still meet and discuss it. Maybe buy you a beer.

And no, I am not going to close with a threat to leave this site. While I continue to be very disappointed in this site and the path of constant attacks and frequently wonder what I am doing here....I don't have a lot of options as far as participating on gambling/AP related sites. My current option is to hope lightning strikes and some how we can all co-exist and while not agree, at least be somewhat respectful towards one another.

Yes you took things to an extreme kewlj which is why I stopped posting. It had nothing to do with Rob or any sock puppet. I wanted nothing to do with you or your threats. I was afraid of you and I continue to be afraid of you. I will not participate here again.

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Good to see Axel make his cherry-picked cameo appearance reminding everyone how he saw it all from the very beginning and letting everyone know how he’s above it all just leaning on the rail. Why post anything at all?

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Why do YOU need to post this? Why do you need to re-draw that dividing line in the sand, declaring sides.....us vs them?

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Yes you took things to an extreme kewlj which is why I stopped posting. It had nothing to do with Rob or any sock puppet. I wanted nothing to do with you or your threats. I was afraid of you and I continue to be afraid of you. I will not participate here again.

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I think Alan is 100% correct in his observations of Kewlj and with good reason.

Everyone here knows exactly what Alan looks like and sounds like. He could easily be made in any casinos where he spends a great deal of time in. I would guess just stalk the Video poker machines or crap tables.

When someone like Kewlj goes off the deep end and demonstrates time and time again a mental disorder maybe an indication of schizophrenia it could get scary if you knew he could be close by. Especially when death threats are being made. This asshole lives in Vegas and always visits casinos on a daily routine.

So, I’m with Alan all the way here.

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Yes you took things to an extreme kewlj which is why I stopped posting. It had nothing to do with Rob or any sock puppet. I wanted nothing to do with you or your threats. I was afraid of you and I continue to be afraid of you. I will not participate here again.

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I am sorry that you feel that way. I gotta tell ya, you have nothing to be afraid of with me. I am a puppy dog. Yesterday, someone (without looking, probably mr v) posted a picture basically trying to make the point that I am a puppy dog or kitten trying to act tough. It was insulting...but true. :o

So, I hope you will reconsider. And if you don't, and sincerely don't think we can co-exist on this site, I would be willing to throw it open to the membership and have them decide which of us should exit, even though I suspect that wouldn't go well for me. That is the least I can do as an act of fairness.

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I suspected it was a sockpuppet from the first post. Hell, the name Wizardofpuke was a dead give away. It could have also been someone who supports and communicated with Rob, I didn't really care to put that much thought into it.

Anytime I call someone out as a sockpuppet people get pissed off including the Mods. So unless someone is addressing me or whatever they are saying has some effect on me, I don't really care, especially here with so many hateful people trolling.

I had other things more important than to get too involved in this crazy mess, especially when you guys start with Pedophilia talk, threats and personal shit. That's not what I signed up for here.

Between guys like Alan, Blackhole, Rob and the others, I would be here all day fucking around so I mostly just watched it play out.

I did my good forum deed for the month on WOV when I found jopke and let him know what Bjpro was saying so he debunk him in the SHUFFLE MASTER TRUTH SOLVED thread.

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Good to see Axel make his cherry-picked cameo appearance reminding everyone how he saw it all from the very beginning and letting everyone know how he’s above it all just leaning on the rail. Why post anything at all?

I’m still waiting for you to link me to one of your interesting posts here.

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I posted because my handle was brought up.

I already said, there is not, nor will there ever be anything I post that will be interesting to you. Even if I happen to post something you might find interesting you would just claim its BS. So whats the point?

There was a time I thought you might actually be somewhat open-minded, I dont think that's the case anymore. I don't think it matters what proof one has or what someone says, interesting or not, you have made up your mind about AP.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who believes what, it's not like I'm not selling anything.

I'll just keep on doing what I'm doing.

I hope you do as well, hopfully that includes spending as much time with your family and loved ones as you can.

Is it just me or do a significant amount of people seem a bit bipolar on the forums?

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I posted because my handle was brought up.

I already said, there is not, nor will there ever be anything I post that will be interesting to you. Even if I happen to post something you might find interesting you would just claim its BS. So whats the point?

There was a time I thought you might actually be somewhat open-minded, I dont think that's the case anymore. I don't think it matters what proof one has or what someone says, interesting or not, you have made up your mind about AP.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who believes what, it's not like I'm not selling anything.

I'll just keep on doing what I'm doing.

I hope you do as well, hopfully that includes spending as much time with your family and loved ones as you can.

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You have a point here Axel. At the end of the day what does any of this matter except for entertainment.

I’m getting bored with it also and think I’ll join Alan.

Ciao

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Mr v commented almost immediately that I couldn't pull it off. It was almost a relief that someone who doesn't like me and hasn't for a long time on several forums, like Mr v, recognized that I was not being sincere in these attacks because despite that he doesn't like me, he was smart enough to KNOW that is not who I am.

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KJ, I don't dislike you; I don't know you.

All I know of you is what you've written on message boards.

What I dislike about your posts is how "you wear your heart on your sleeve."

I'm not homophobic, but one thing you gays do that goes against the grain of manliness is to act feminine via venting, emoting, and pulling your hair out while listing ad nauseum all the slights others hurl your way.

Why not just cowboy up and move on?

This nonsense about you being banned at WoV is a prime example: you just won't shut up about it, and drag out that hoary chestnut whenever the opportunity arises.

I read it once: that was enough.

The AP / anti-AP discussion should be a walk in the park for you, yet you let it derail you; why?

It's all just shits and giggles, isn't it?

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Yes you took things to an extreme kewlj which is why I stopped posting. It had nothing to do with Rob or any sock puppet. I wanted nothing to do with you or your threats. I was afraid of you and I continue to be afraid of you. I will not participate here again.

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I'm a cynic, so let me guess: Alan made some kind of ultimatum to Dan involving KJ. Things didn't work out.

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Mr v commented almost immediately that I couldn't pull it off. It was almost a relief that someone who doesn't like me and hasn't for a long time on several forums, like Mr v, recognized that I was not being sincere in these attacks because despite that he doesn't like me, he was smart enough to KNOW that is not who I am.

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KJ, I don't dislike you; I don't know you.

All I know of you is what you've written on message boards.

What I dislike about your posts is how "you wear your heart on your sleeve."

I'm not homophobic, but one thing you gays do that goes against the grain of manliness is to act feminine via venting, emoting, and pulling your hair out while listing ad nauseum all the slights others hurl your way.

Why not just cowboy up and move on?

This nonsense about you being banned at WoV is a prime example: you just won't shut up about it, and drag out that hoary chestnut whenever the opportunity arises.

I read it once: that was enough.

The AP / anti-AP discussion should be a walk in the park for you, yet you let it derail you; why?

It's all just shits and giggles, isn't it?

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I would never let this crap derail me, especially to the point it has others. But, I can see how it can get very exhausting and frustrating having to respond to all the haters who love to troll. It's one thing if you have to respond to a few skeptics here and there, but It's hard to ignore people attacking and challenging everything you say every step of the way.

Look at the BS Alan pulled with me regarding me being ruffed up in a casino. He kept asking questions about the situation, and I explained. It was fairly obvious what the situation was. It was obvious I was not claiming casino security guards just go around beating up VP players at random. Once he realized that there was evidence to what I was saying, he tried to play childish word games.

You got guys like Rob Singer making up complete lies. He was claiming he had someone investigate and follow me around the casinos or some BS like that. I wasn't even posting here at the time he said that shit.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Yes you took things to an extreme kewlj which is why I stopped posting. It had nothing to do with Rob or any sock puppet. I wanted nothing to do with you or your threats. I was afraid of you and I continue to be afraid of you. I will not participate here again.

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I'm a cynic, so let me guess: Alan made some kind of ultimatum to Dan involving KJ. Things didn't work out.

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I must be a cynic as well. I have no doubt Alan is all pissed off he didnt get his way.

If you look at all this from an impartial standpoint you can see who the troublemakers really are. I think KJ crossed the line but Rob was warned many times.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Yes you took things to an extreme kewlj which is why I stopped posting. It had nothing to do with Rob or any sock puppet. I wanted nothing to do with you or your threats. I was afraid of you and I continue to be afraid of you. I will not participate here again.

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I'm a cynic, so let me guess: Alan made some kind of ultimatum to Dan involving KJ. Things didn't work out.

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That's exactly right. It's most likely the same spiel Alan gave Dan. Feigning he is in fear for his life and afraid to post until KJ is banned. And if KJ were banned Alan would happily return. That's a joke. If Alan had a real reason to be afraid it wouldn't matter whether KJ were banned or not. If Alan does stop posting here its because he's pissed he can't get his buddy Singer back on the site....even as a sock puppet.

Alan's gonna quit posting here or something? Good.


Good riddance.

You'll find him posting his ever pithy and piquant observations about gambling at eighteenyosinarow.com.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

Feigning he is in fear for his life and afraid to post until KJ is banned. And if KJ were banned Alan would happily return. That's a joke. If Alan had a real reason to be afraid it wouldn't matter whether KJ were banned or not. If Alan does stop posting here its because he's pissed he can't get his buddy Singer back on the site....even as a sock puppet.

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Agreed. What does Alan have to be afraid off me. I didn't even address him yesterday. This is Alan manipulating as he always does. Same as he did with the tracking two blackjack tables thing. Same as he did with Axel's machine backoff/barring. Same as he did with the whole redietz package thing. And same as he has done with just about everything involving Singer. Alan is a manipulator. He plays games... period. Including playing dumb when it serves him. And now he is playing "scared"....he is afraid of KJ, who said absolutely nothing to him yesterday.

If Alan wants to leave, the he should leave. I hope he doesn't, but that is his call. I can't say the same for blackhole. I hope blackhole does leave. The difference in my mind is I have never seen blackhole post anything that was useful or meant as a positive contribution. All he does is attack and tear down others. I mean blackhole goes as far as to repeatedly state that Axel contributes nothing useful to the site. How ridiculous is that? A guy that would even make such a statement has a completely alterior motive and agenda.

Alan on the other hand, is anti-AP, but that is not ALL he is about. He makes some positive contributions. As I think mickey said this morning, their is some weird connection between Alan and Singer. And simple friendship doesn't explain it. Mickey suggested some kind of money connection? I have no idea about something like that. Seems like speculation, but I think it is fair to say there is something more to this connection than meets the eye.

And I want to repeat one more time, that while I hope Alan decides to continue participating, if he honestly <- :rolleyes: feels he and I can not co-exist, I will leave it up to the membership to decide which off us should step aside and will abide by that decision, which I suspect may not favor me. I am not going to initiate the poll. If Alan decides he wants to, or someone else feels they want to on his behalf, fine.

Correction: It was Axel who suggested some monetary connection between Alan and Singer, not mickey as I mistakenly suggested. Sorry, mickey.

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Originally Posted by RS__

Alan's gonna quit posting here or something? Good.


Good riddance.

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Maybe he is going back to Wov. How would you feel about that? :p

Is Alan actually banned at wov or did he leave of his own accord? I was somehow under the impression he just left on his own after members were frequently giving him a hard time about the 18 straight yo's. I suspect I was there at the time but I do not remember. I just didn't pay much attention to the craps threads.

I think I was the one who suspected there was a monetary connection. Perhaps its something as simple as Alan thinking he brings traffic to his site or whatever.

Don't forget his repeated nonsense related to the two dice problem and the fact that he basically claims there is not much, if any, value in a loss rebate and his nonsense about free play. It's just his annoying endless contradictory stance when it comes to anything AP related. He tries to set people up while useing or creating loopholes and technicalities.

Yes, he left on his own accord after catching a raft full of well-deserved shit for his now infamous claim of watching eighteen yo's rolled in a row at Caesars.

He can return there at any time, but the Wiz has since adopted a rule that says if you voluntarily resign you cannot change your mind and join again until at least thirty days have passed.

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

I think I was the one who suspected there was a monetary connection. Perhaps its something as simple as Alan thinking he brings traffic to his site or whatever.

Don't forget his repeated nonsense related to the two dice problem and the fact that he basically claims there is not much, if any, value in a loss rebate and his nonsense about free play. It's just his annoying endless contradictory stance when it comes to anything AP related. He tries to set people up while useing or creating loopholes and technicalities.

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yes, in re-reading, I caught that it was you that suggested a possible monetary link. I edited that just a few minutes prior to this post. I am sorry I didn't give you credit for this "conspiracy theory". :rolleyes:

"Setting people up"," loopholes" and "technicalities" is exactly what I am referring to when I say manipulates. Manipulates just covers a broader base.

He left WoV on his own accord. And, KJ, his statement that he is afraid of you is as phony as a three dollar bill. It's just a convenient pretext for him to boycott the site. He wants you off this site because you are way to good at describing his flaws/faults. He's really got the red ass over it.

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Originally Posted by MisterV

I'm not homophobic, but one thing you gays do....

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Mister v. You are well within your right to feel how ever you like about anyone, including categorizing of groups you aren't comfortable with or dislike. And you don't have to explain that to me or anyone.

However....are you sure you don't want to re-think this phrase (regardless of what followed).

"I am not homophobic, but here is my problem with you gays". :confused: regardless of what follows you are categorizing a group of people, based on a stereotypical characteristic that you dislike. Mister v, that is the definition of prejudice, including racial, homophobic or other prejudices.

I mean lets change the words just a bit and maybe you will see what I am saying.

"I am not a racist, but I just don't like the way blacks are lazy".
or how about " I am not racist, but I just don't like the Latinos because they commit a lot of crime. (geez this one sounds like a Donald trump line).

With your actual statement it is "you are not homophobic but you just don't like the way you gays act feminine".

Do you see what I am saying. Initial statement says I am not this or that. Followed immediately by a prejudice thought completely contradicting that first disclaimer and completely proving how you are racial, homophobic or otherwise prejudice. (in this actual case homophobic).

Again, I am not challenging what you believe or feel or your right to believe or feel that way. I am simply pointing out that your statement as written, actually proves the very thing that you claim you are not. :confused:

I disagree with your analysis, KJ.

Femininity is a quirk of gays that I have observed over my lifetime: it is what it is.

I put up with it; it is not what I consider "normal" male behavior, i.e. straight male behavior.

Perhaps I should have clarified: I am referring to gay men, not women.

Those bull dykes are an entirely different bottle of mustard.

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Originally Posted by MisterV

I disagree with your analysis, KJ.

Femininity is a quirk of gays that I have observed over my lifetime: it is what it is.

I put up with it; it is not what I consider "normal" male behavior, i.e. straight male behavior.

Perhaps I should have clarified: I am referring to gay men, not women.

Those bull dykes are an entirely different bottle of mustard.

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Mr v, even that bull dyke line is a categorizing of a group off people based on a stereotype. That is the definition of prejudice.

It is kind of funny and I can't say I disagree with it, but it is a prejudice statement. :rolleyes:

Being aware of our differences doesn't make someone racist, sexist, homophobic, or any other buzzword. Racism is when you think one race is superior to another. Sexism is when you think one sex (gender) is superior to another. Homophobia is when you dislike gay people.

If I need a dog sitter, I'm probably not going to ask the black guy, because they are usually scared of dogs.


https://www.snopes.com/racial/humor/fearmost.asp Usually I trust snopes, but on this one....not so much. LOL @ registered mail

Some good reading here, too, especially the comments: https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com...ked-1799387087

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Originally Posted by RS__

Alan's gonna quit posting here or something? Good.


Good riddance.

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The biggest attention whore is not getting his way....let's call the Waaambulance!!

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Racism is when you think one race is superior to another. Sexism is when you think one sex (gender) is superior to another.

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Yes, those are the dictionary definitions. But to make a judgment about such beliefs, we need to know the facts.

There's no doubt that differences exist between various classifications of human, and it makes people very uncomfortable. So they pretend that everyone is the same, and if I acknowledge reality, I must be a bad person.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Yes you took things to an extreme kewlj which is why I stopped posting. It had nothing to do with Rob or any sock puppet. I wanted nothing to do with you or your threats. I was afraid of you and I continue to be afraid of you. I will not participate here again.

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I am sorry that you feel that way. I gotta tell ya, you have nothing to be afraid of with me. I am a puppy dog. Yesterday, someone (without looking, probably mr v) posted a picture basically trying to make the point that I am a puppy dog or kitten trying to act tough. It was insulting...but true. :o

So, I hope you will reconsider. And if you don't, and sincerely don't think we can co-exist on this site, I would be willing to throw it open to the membership and have them decide which of us should exit, even though I suspect that wouldn't go well for me. That is the least I can do as an act of fairness.

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Wait. What happened to the bi-polar rant with you flying around the country, threatening to go to an elderly guys home, kick his ass, then off to AC to kick another guys ass. Willing to go to jail, etc.??? Many of the rants came very close to death threats.

Mental illness is a bitch, I hope you get it under control. Your long winded "health updates" appear to be another manifestation of the illness, since a normal mind would keep this to people that actually know you. I have a cousin with mental illness, he has the same need for drama and writes these long rambling e-mails that go nowhere. Sound familiar? Your dramatic exits and returns are classic bi-polar behavior.

So yes, I can see a public figure afraid of someone online showing classic signs of mental illness on a public message board.

This is how disingenuous ALan is being. I was the first to go postal and asked black hole if we could meet up so I could kick his ass. Not a peep out of Alan about it. KJ does the same thing with belly and all of a sudden Alan fears for his life. Alan you're not fooling anyone, dude.

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This is how disingenuous ALan is being. I was the first to go postal and asked black hole if we could meet up so I could kick his ass. Not a peep out of Alan about it. KJ does the same thing with belly and all of a sudden Alan fears for his life. Alan you're not fooling anyone, dude.

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Mick, go back and read the quotes. Kewl was saying he knew where people lived and he was going to show up at the homes to settle things. This is involving family as well as individuals. People are relatively easy to find using the internet. If someone makes a threat to me or my family and claims to know where I live, I am taking it very seriously. He claimed he was willing to go to jail, so you have to assume it was a major physical threat.

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Originally Posted by james40

Mick, go back and read the quotes.

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I trust Alan will be along soon to defend himself, but I do think he had some basis for feeling intimidated. He has a history with kj here, dating back at least to the "two tables" controversy. Search tells me Alan was the first recipient of the "fuck" word from kj:

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...ll=1#post50907

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

What the f--- is wrong with you?

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Originally Posted by james40

Mick, go back and read the quotes.

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I trust Alan will be along soon to defend himself, but I do think he had some basis for feeling intimidated. He has a history with kj here, dating back at least to the "two tables" controversy. Search tells me Alan was the first recipient of the "fuck" word from kj:

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...ll=1#post50907

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

What the f--- is wrong with you?

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The dramatic mood swings are the tell. Scary when they are off their meds.

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The dramatic mood swings are the tell. Scary when they are off their meds.

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Ah, meds: probably not an excuse, but a likely explanation for such out of character behavior.

I've not read about KJ previously having been diagnosed with mental health issues which require daily meds, but I recently saw where he said he was taking pain meds due to his heart surgery.

There it is: pain meds, opioids most likely.

He authored his tragi-comical threatening screeds while higher than a kite on Oxy, or Vicodin, or some other powerful narcotic pain killer.

Sort of like how MC once wrote his most "colorful" material while drunk.

Yeah, I suspect the drugs had a lot to do with KJ's threatening posts, not implanting the ideas in his noggin but allowing the percolating thoughts to erupt in full regalia.

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Originally Posted by james40

Many of the rants came very close to death threats..

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Who is being dramatic now? No death threats jimmy....not even close. As matter of fact, when someone else even mentioned death threats, I immediately corrected them that at no time was there mention of any kind of death threat. So you are lying to make your point. Please post the death threat I made to anyone or be man enough to admit you accusing me of something never said and intentionally are lying for effect.

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threatening to go to an elderly guys home,

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Let's be clear here.....we are speaking about Singer. I don't want anyone confusion associated with blackhole who is elderly and ill, because I never said a word about blackhole, and even specifically stated so.

So Singer gets to say whatever he wants, nasty homophobic comments, wishing me to die of aids is an example and all the vile comments he makes to everyone else with no consequences because he is old. That's a bully tactic. Talk big and when someone comes after you, cry for help,"Oh well I am just an old man". Alan likes to say that Singer doesn't talk or act that way in real life. Know why, he would get his ass kicked daily. Let him try saying the things he says to people in real life, and he will get his ass beat on a daily basis by 20, 30 and 40 years old and they won't care that he is 68. When you talk and act the way Singer does to people, you forfeited that protection. At that point you get what you deserve.

I am not going after Singer, but he should be concerned that his address is all over the internet. If he continues to talk and treat people like shit, someone is going to come after him, and "Hey I am 68 years old...elder abuse" isn't going to save his nasty trolling ass.

So maybe I did him a favor. Everyone saw how scared shitless he got. Maybe he will consider that some day someone is going to come after him, and there will be consequences to his shit. Maybe he will think twice and stop acting like such an asshole, when he is hiding behind is keyboard. If he is a decent guy like Alan says, then act like a decent person on the internet.

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Wait. What happened to the bi-polar rant.... ....Mental illness is a bitch, I hope you get it under control. Your dramatic exits and returns are classic bi-polar behavior.

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Thank you for your diagnosis. Please share with us your credentials for making such a diagnosis. And in accordance with the theme of this site, where everyone is required to prove everything, I assume you will be posting copies of your medical degrees. Thanks jimmy.

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The dramatic mood swings are the tell. Scary when they are off their meds.

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Ah, meds: probably not an excuse, but a likely explanation for such out of character behavior.

I've not read about KJ previously having been diagnosed with mental health issues which require daily meds, but I recently saw where he said he was taking pain meds due to his heart surgery.

There it is: pain meds, opioids most likely.

He authored his tragi-comical threatening screeds while higher than a kite on Oxy, or Vicodin, or some other powerful narcotic pain killer.

Sort of like how MC once wrote his most "colorful" material while drunk.

Yeah, I suspect the drugs had a lot to do with KJ's threatening posts, not implanting the ideas in his noggin but allowing the percolating thoughts to erupt in full regalia.

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Drug induced (or lack of) or not, when the threats start getting specific as to the address where I live, then it crosses a line. Having an unhinged stalker making public threats is downright scary and has to be taken seriously.

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Search tells me Alan was the first recipient of the "fuck" word from kj:

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Just curious, bocce ball....was that "fuck" issued from KJ to Alan issues before or after Alan abruptly ended numerous discussions with a "fuck you KJ" or "go fuck yourself KJ".

Not that two wrongs make a right, but just interesting how you want to cherry pick, trying to highlight one while giving a pass to the other, depending on who you are being supportive of.

Reading is fundamental, note the use of the words "very close".

How do you explain the following quote? Especially the "I will do what I need to do" and "I am going to settle things".

"But I figured, no need to rush, because I know exactly where you live. And when you push me too far, I will do what I need to do. And collectively, you bitches have now pushed me too far. I don't care the cost, physically, monetarily, or legally. I am going to settle things with a couple of you loud mouth lying bitches, hiding behind your keyboards."

That is not from a balanced mind.

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Drug induced (or lack of) or not, when the threats start getting specific as to the address where I live, then it crosses a line. Having an unhinged stalker making public threats is downright scary and has to be taken seriously.

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Oh boo hoo. Cry me a river. Some of you guys have been bouncing around message boards for decades. You would think this is your first go-around. Just stop with the dramatics. No one, you jimmy, nor Alan is afraid of me. (and for good reason). Just a façade to try to pressure Dan to get rid of a member you don't care for and you and Alan and everyone else knows it.

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Drug induced (or lack of) or not, when the threats start getting specific as to the address where I live, then it crosses a line. Having an unhinged stalker making public threats is downright scary and has to be taken seriously.

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Oh, please.

Nobody who is familiar with his gambling forum posts should be afraid of KJ, the guy is a kitten.

Besides, immediately before the weird shit started he explained how he was pissed at the trolls here and that he was going to troll them back.

Sort of like "If you can't beat em, join em."

I correctly pointed out that he's an amateur at this game, and the results support this claim.

Like a lot of stuff on these boards it was just a bunch of bullshit.

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Drug induced (or lack of) or not, when the threats start getting specific as to the address where I live, then it crosses a line. Having an unhinged stalker making public threats is downright scary and has to be taken seriously.

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Oh boo hoo. Cry me a river. Some of you guys have been bouncing around message boards for decades. You would think this is your first go-around. Just stop with the dramatics. No one, you jimmy, nor Alan is afraid of me. (and for good reason). Just a façade to try to pressure Dan to get rid of a member you don't care for and you and Alan and everyone else knows it.

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Paranoia is another symptom.

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Originally Posted by james40

How do you explain the following quote? Especially the "I will do what I need to do" and "I am going to settle things".

"But I figured, no need to rush, because I know exactly where you live. And when you push me too far, I will do what I need to do. And collectively, you bitches have now pushed me too far. I don't care the cost, physically, monetarily, or legally. I am going to settle things with a couple of you loud mouth lying bitches, hiding behind your keyboards."

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How do I explain it? I'll tell you what....I like it! ;) Hey Mister v, you said I wasn't credible, that I couldn't pull it off, that no one believes I am a tough guy. Look! Jimmy believes....or would like us all to believe that he does, that he is so traumatized, it will be difficult for him continue on with me on the site.

Jimmy, both you and Alan are complete phonies. Neither are the least bit concerned about anything. (and yet I am the one called a drama queen) :rolleyes: Just give it up.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Not that two wrongs make a right, but just interesting how you want to cherry pick, trying to highlight one while giving a pass to the other, depending on who you are being supportive of.

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You call it cherry picking, I call it brevity.

Alan has trolled you on multiple occasions, but I was specifically addressing the issue of violent threats.

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How do you explain the following quote? Especially the "I will do what I need to do" and "I am going to settle things".

"But I figured, no need to rush, because I know exactly where you live. And when you push me too far, I will do what I need to do. And collectively, you bitches have now pushed me too far. I don't care the cost, physically, monetarily, or legally. I am going to settle things with a couple of you loud mouth lying bitches, hiding behind your keyboards."

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How do I explain it? I'll tell you what....I like it! ;) Hey Mister v, you said I wasn't credible, that I couldn't pull it off, that no one believes I am a tough guy. Look! Jimmy believes....or would like us all to believe that he does, that he is so traumatized, it will be difficult for him continue on with me on the site.

Jimmy, both you and Alan are complete phonies. Neither are the least bit concerned about anything. (and yet I am the one called a drama queen) :rolleyes: Just give it up.

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Me traumatized? Why? The threats weren't made to me. Unlike you, I can come and go on this forum anytime I like. I'm not sure why you think I would care if you are here or not. Self important much? It's probably time for another long winded update on your medical condition. You know, because so many here are waiting for it.

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Oh, please.

Nobody who is familiar with his gambling forum posts should be afraid of KJ, the guy is a kitten.

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I know you are proud of yourself for immediately pointing this out, but you could have cut me a break when this exercise was playing out, Mister v. For god sakes this kitten was trying to ROAR.

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Besides, immediately before the weird shit started he explained how he was pissed at the trolls here and that he was going to troll them back.

Sort of like "If you can't beat em, join em."

I correctly pointed out that he's an amateur at this game, and the results support this claim.

Like a lot of stuff on these boards it was just a bunch of bullshit.

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Everyone knows this Mister v, it's just Alan and now jimmy want to pretend they are traumatized. Everyone else including Dan....nothing there. I mean Dan would certainly have an interest if there was anything there. It took about 20 seconds for him to declare....NOTHING THERE.

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I know you are proud of yourself for immediately pointing this out, but you could have cut me a break when this exercise was playing out, Mister v. For god sakes this kitten was trying to ROAR.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf0gebAgEyo

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Originally Posted by bocce ball

You call it cherry picking, I call it brevity.

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That's cute, but it is also dishonest. You intentionally highlighted one persons unfavorable act (in this case using the F word), while completely giving a pass to the other party for the same action, in the same time frame. It's no biggie, but it just isn't very fair. It certainly shows you to be partisan and not very objective, but I can't say I thought you were very objective before this, so nothing new.

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Alan has trolled you on multiple occasions, but I was specifically addressing the issue of violent threats.

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Were you? Me saying "fuck" to Alan is equivalent to violent threats? :confused:

The only way, I can see that, is if my intentions were to actually "fuck" Alan. Please respect me enough not to sink to that level as I can do a lot better than Alan, should I ever decide to engage in that activity with a male. :cool: