Interesting perspective on tipping from a casino dealer

I have a Facebook friend who is a dealer at a California Indian casino. She isn't a close friend, but more of an acquaintance -- actually a friend of a friend. I get along with her, but we aren't close, and in fact have never met in person.

Her life story is actually interesting (former stripper & bit-part actress in the '70s and '80s, but is now near 60 years old), but I'm not going to talk about that in this post.

Instead, I will discuss a post she made about a guy who tipped her after she dealt him a $14,000 jackpot hand in Ultimate Texas Holdem.

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Originally Posted by casino dealer

NUTHIN' LIKE PAYING OUT A $14,000 JACKPOT & GETTIN' A $100 TIP! WOO - HOO!!

ULTIMATE TEXAS HOLDEM

DELT HIM A STRAIGHT FLUSH ON THE FLOP SO HE GOT 10% OF THE $140,000 JACKPOT

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So the "woo - hoo" clearly seemed sarcastic, but I just wanted to make sure.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Are you happy with the $100 tip or do you think it should have been more?

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Originally Posted by casino dealer

HELL NO I'M NOT HAPPY! THAT'S NOT EVEN 1%!

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Okay, so that's what I thought.

Now I should give you perspective from the other side.

Ultimate Texas Holdem is a negative expectation game, meaning that players will lose over time. The guy who hit the $14,000 jackpot has likely lost far more than that at casinos in the past year.

While $14,000 seems like a big score on the surface, in truth it's just getting back a fraction of the money the guy has lost gambling at casinos like yours.

While I understand that the dealers work for tips, you can't expect large tips when people hit a big score, because they are probably still losing overall.

Similarly, you don't tip them when you deal them bad cards and they lose (which is most of the time).

$100 is actually a pretty good tip for a dealer. You should put out of your head how much he "won", and instead be happy that someone gave you an extra $100 for doing your job as you normally do.

While some players may tip more on jackpots like this, you shouldn't EXPECT such a tip.

In fact, unrealistic expectations of high tips is why I stopped tipping dealers entirely. I found that if I gave them what was fair/realisitc, they gave me a sour face and acted like I was an asshole. So if I'm going to be an asshole for tipping them something fair, I'd rather be the same asshole in their eyes and keep the tip I was going to give them.

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Thoughts?

I wonder what kind of tip she expected to get? I guess I'm curious as to what she's normally receiving from big winners that the $100 was not enough.

She was hoping for 5% (lol)

But then she made a follow up post to mine, seemingly contradicting everything else she was saying.

In the follow up, she claimed that she "never expects tips".

However, clearly she was disappointed by the $100.

What I said at the end regarding tipping casino dealers is true. I used to do it, but after I got repeated bad reactions for not tipping "enough", I just gave up on tipping them altogether.

Yup, that sounds about par for the course.

All the time in the break room I'd hear a dealer say "So n so just won $5,000 off my table and he tipped me $100." I'd give a "Hell yeah, nice!" because, well, $100 is a nice tip. The dealer tried explaining to me he should have been tipped AT LEAST $500 which is 10% which is a shitty tip, but it should have been $1,000 because that's 20%.

Someone wins $100 on my (craps) table, he tosses in $2-3, and a little while later dealers are saying he's a stiff, blah blah blah, he should'a tipped $10+. I'm thinking holy crap, what planet do you live on!?

I tried to explain to the dealers I worked with that at the end of the day, the tips you get on your table don't really matter -- we're a big enough casino where we're pretty much guaranteed our average tip amount +/- 10%...our paychecks were like clockwork (tips are pooled). Anyway, I also tried to explain the best way IMO to get more tips is to say thanks to everyone who puts out a tip and at least make them feel appreciated (whether you genuinely appreciate the tip or not). Idk how many times I'd been dealing craps or blackjack, someone has a $1 tip our for me...and after the bet loses I'd say, "Hey man, thanks for the try, I appreciate it" or something like that....then after a few times of that, then other people realize that "tipping exists" and they start throwing out $1 or $2 tips. If the table gets hot, those $1 bets on the line now suddenly have $2-3 in odds behind them and you got 3-4 players tipping you, after a while they turn to $5 on the line and now I've dropped a couple hundred in the box.


Then again, after work one day (I wasn't there, unfortunately) a dealer hit a 25c RF on VP for $1k. He tipped the bartender $200 and the 3 others he was with $100 each. I.....I just can't even...


Whenever I played table games (mostly card counting BJ), I'd tip $1 every few hands, trying to tip about $5-10/hour. Most of the time the dealer would give a "thanks for the try" or "appreciate the toke" or even just a head nod like a mutual "I see you, thanks" kinda thing. Every now and then a dealer would make some dumbass remark or would completely ignore the toke bet.....yeah, I'm not tipping more after that. I'd rather be an asshole with an extra $10/hour than the asshole he's giving a dealer $10/hour.

Dealers and slot attendants should never EXPECT a tip.

I hit a Royal Flush recently on free slot play while on vacation in Las Vegas, and was about to happily tip a $20.00. The slot attendant took 30-40 minutes to return with the handpay and W2-G. She came back with $5,500.00 in hundreds and 6 twenties. I tipped her nothing and gave two EVS employees $10.00 instead on my way out.

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I feel pretty much as you do, Dan. The last two times I hit a royal, I tipped $20 and got sour looks. So I'm tipping zero from here on in. I have never tipped at table games unless I won something at small poker tournaments, and then I feel like an idiot because the house take on those is like friggin' keno. I play in them just because compadres are in them, and I'm being social, so I understand it's a dumbass situation going in, thus I tip.

What really blows my mind is people tipping when they cash sports bets! You gotta be kidding me. That was pretty much nonexistent in the 70's or 80's. I have cashed some sizable futures in my time in Las Vegas, and I can tell you that not only did I not tip people, I fought tooth and nail to get free lunches and dinners out of them because, what, you're not really going to allow me to walk off property with this chunk of your money, are you? Not without at least trying to keep me here, right? I was tooth-and-nail for every penny advantage.

$100 on a $14,000 win is a good tip. 1% would have been $140.

Personally I would have tipped $150 to $200. But not more than $200.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

$100 on a $14,000 win is a good tip. 1% would have been $140.

Personally I would have tipped $150 to $200. But not more than $200.

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That’s because you’re a normal gambler having a good time, not concerned about the petty fight for your life EV loss.

Would anyone feel any different at a local casino where you play regularly and you know the slot attendants by name and talk to them like friends and see them every few days?

I enjoy reading threads like this, although it bothers me some that a few people will still tip no matter what the circumstances.

Eventually, everybody will come around.....

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Originally Posted by regnis

Would anyone feel any different at a local casino where you play regularly and you know the slot attendants by name and talk to them like friends and see them every few days?

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Nope. I'm not there to make friends, socialize, or worry or care about how much money they make, who and what they are, or if they're currently facing a myriad of personal problems. I'm simply there to make money period.

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Originally Posted by nerakil

Dealers and slot attendants should never EXPECT a tip.

I hit a Royal Flush recently on free slot play while on vacation in Las Vegas, and was about to happily tip a $20.00. The slot attendant took 30-40 minutes to return with the handpay and W2-G. She came back with $5,500.00 in hundreds and 6 twenties. I tipped her nothing and gave two EVS employees $10.00 instead on my way out.

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Breaking one of the $100s into $20s is always my signal to tip less. Sorry if I need a HP broken down into smaller bills I will ask.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

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Originally Posted by regnis

Would anyone feel any different at a local casino where you play regularly and you know the slot attendants by name and talk to them like friends and see them every few days?

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Nope. I'm not there to make friends, socialize, or worry or care about how much money they make, who and what they are, or if they're currently facing a myriad of personal problems. I'm simply there to make money period.

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I don't disagree. But there is some degree of discomfort when these people are friends, clients, or just so familiar from years of interaction. You may not be looking to make friends but shit happens.I think it is different for someone that spreads their play over more casinos or just goes to Vegas a couple times a year. In the local casinos, you deal with the same people every day.

I had a similar problem when a pit boss who was also a client was forced to tell me I couldn't throw the dice. He didn't want to do it but it came down from upstairs and I could see it in his eyes. I probably wouldn't have argued with them anyway but in that case I really couldn't.

Dealers and attendants, have a huge sense of entitlement,no matter how poorly they do their job....Big goose egg from me!!

First off she isn't going to see much of the 100 dollar tip. Even if the guy tipped 500 dollars she isn't going to see much of it since the tips are pooled and put on your check and taxed. This is one reason when I hit large jackpots that aren't normal I will try to give them an envelope with a card and a gift card inside. You used to be able to give employees a sealed envelope with cash but most Casinos in LV changed that rule and now they have to open it and if cash is inside they have to pool it. Some places I have heard that they have to throw away the gift card if given. This depends on the Casino and current rules which are getting tighter and depends on what shift and who is working. Graveyard is more relaxed in general.

As I have said many times... this is kickback city... tips are part of the culture. If you don't want to tip don't tip. If you don't want to tip your server or buffet server or car wash guys... don't tip them. Stop crying about if someone gave you a sour look because you don't tip. Either tip or don't tip and live with your choice.

For me... I like to tip employees that I know that I am going to deal with all the time and I like to grease the wheels with management or hosts because I know they have meetings about players and they can help in many situations. When you tip a dealer a 100 dollar Walmart card they keep the whole tip... when you break them off cash they have to chop it up and even the IRS gets a share. This is all personal preference... when I tip I like the individual to get the tip and since I don't really play on day or swing shift I don't like those employees getting a cut and I really hate that the tips get taxed so I go out of my way to take care of employees. Many times they know that I will come back later in a day or two and hand them an envelope when I have time.

Anyways... it is different for me because I deal with this issue constantly. No right or wrong answer but I do know that if your going to be in the Casino constantly APing you want some friends on the other side. I know for a fact that many APs who used to fight for vision machines and progressives get a reputation as someone who doesn't tip and these employees constantly talk to others about it. Some APs have actually been no mailed or 86'd because of the aggressive nature of how they vulture. You guys want to be like ZK and rock the boat in the Casino and get a certain reputation that is fine... I am ok with that but I am just saying that you want to be low key and unknown and not cause problems like ZK with his passing out fliers and ideas of lawsuits.

Another interesting note is that I have had employees text me or let me know when certain jackpots or progressives are high because I comped them an expensive meal or gave them a hundo for Christmas. I have had hosts actually lock up the machine for me and call me to let me know to get down to the Casino which actually is worth it versus the tips in the long run. Sometimes management or hosts know that they are gonna dump 5k into some reel progressive making it a huge AP play and they have informed me. Same goes with friendly Bartenders that I have tipped well. Many angles in this AP world.

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I don't know Rob Singer and haven't got into any debates with him and don't plan to but I am curious about his posting and reinstatement... I thought he was only allowed to post in that one thread... did that rule change?

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Originally Posted by nerakil

Dealers and slot attendants should never EXPECT a tip.

I hit a Royal Flush recently on free slot play while on vacation in Las Vegas, and was about to happily tip a $20.00. The slot attendant took 30-40 minutes to return with the handpay and W2-G. She came back with $5,500.00 in hundreds and 6 twenties. I tipped her nothing and gave two EVS employees $10.00 instead on my way out.

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Breaking one of the $100s into $20s is always my signal to tip less. Sorry if I need a HP broken down into smaller bills I will ask.

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Yup, this is incredibly annoying...especially if you hit for something like $1280 and you get $1100 in hundreds and then $180 in 20s.

Although I'm not completely convinced it's due to tips. I know a lot of ATM machines will give you your last $100 in $20's. I suspect there are a number of people who want to have $100 in 20's and they do it for that reason....or at least I'd like to hope so.

Money, you're probably correct. I'm just guessing that wherever my name is brought up without me first entering a thread, then it's OK to reply. With tipping, I've posted a lot in the past about why it is stupid to tip on handpays, at the cage, or any slot attendant and ESPECIALLY not a host. You're either there to make money or you're there to socialize. I make money, and I couldn't care less about feeling intimidated over this or that, how it might be when I see the slot attendant on my next handpay, at the bar down the street, when I face them at church on Sunday, or when they bring their teenager over my house to babysit. I don't tip period. I did not ask them to give me a handpay or a tax form. I do tip lucratively anyone whom I ask a favor or a service of. Hotel maids are not one of them.

According to the Culinary Union the maids in Las Vegas make 50% more in wages than maids in other large towns. And also according to the Culinary Union about 1 in 5 people tip the maids which adds to their bottom line.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Money, you're probably correct. I'm just guessing that wherever my name is brought up without me first entering a thread, then it's OK to reply. With tipping, I've posted a lot in the past about why it is stupid to tip on handpays, at the cage, or any slot attendant and ESPECIALLY not a host. You're either there to make money or you're there to socialize. I make money, and I couldn't care less about feeling intimidated over this or that, how it might be when I see the slot attendant on my next handpay, at the bar down the street, when I face them at church on Sunday, or when they bring their teenager over my house to babysit. I don't tip period. I did not ask them to give me a handpay or a tax form. I do tip lucratively anyone whom I ask a favor or a service of. Hotel maids are not one of them.

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Then Alan and BH can get you into any thread just by mentioning your name.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Money, you're probably correct. I'm just guessing that wherever my name is brought up without me first entering a thread, then it's OK to reply. With tipping, I've posted a lot in the past about why it is stupid to tip on handpays, at the cage, or any slot attendant and ESPECIALLY not a host. You're either there to make money or you're there to socialize. I make money, and I couldn't care less about feeling intimidated over this or that, how it might be when I see the slot attendant on my next handpay, at the bar down the street, when I face them at church on Sunday, or when they bring their teenager over my house to babysit. I don't tip period. I did not ask them to give me a handpay or a tax form. I do tip lucratively anyone whom I ask a favor or a service of. Hotel maids are not one of them.

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Then Alan and BH can get you into any thread just by mentioning your name.

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Singer and no tip Bundy go hand in hand...The king of stiffs!!

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Money, you're probably correct. I'm just guessing that wherever my name is brought up without me first entering a thread, then it's OK to reply. With tipping, I've posted a lot in the past about why it is stupid to tip on handpays, at the cage, or any slot attendant and ESPECIALLY not a host. You're either there to make money or you're there to socialize. I make money, and I couldn't care less about feeling intimidated over this or that, how it might be when I see the slot attendant on my next handpay, at the bar down the street, when I face them at church on Sunday, or when they bring their teenager over my house to babysit. I don't tip period. I did not ask them to give me a handpay or a tax form. I do tip lucratively anyone whom I ask a favor or a service of. Hotel maids are not one of them.

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Then Alan and BH can get you into any thread just by mentioning your name.

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But it wasn't me who first mentioned Rob in other threads.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Money, you're probably correct. I'm just guessing that wherever my name is brought up without me first entering a thread, then it's OK to reply. With tipping, I've posted a lot in the past about why it is stupid to tip on handpays, at the cage, or any slot attendant and ESPECIALLY not a host. You're either there to make money or you're there to socialize. I make money, and I couldn't care less about feeling intimidated over this or that, how it might be when I see the slot attendant on my next handpay, at the bar down the street, when I face them at church on Sunday, or when they bring their teenager over my house to babysit. I don't tip period. I did not ask them to give me a handpay or a tax form. I do tip lucratively anyone whom I ask a favor or a service of. Hotel maids are not one of them.

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Then Alan and BH can get you into any thread just by mentioning your name.

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But it wasn't me who first mentioned Rob in other threads.

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You didn't really expect that Rob would honor his word of staying out of other threads did you?

I think you have to say "beetlejuice" 3x before he is allowed to appear.

Everyone has their hand out compared to years ago. You go to a sub sandwich place, and there is a jar for tips at the register,simply for someone making your sandwich correctly. Ot Starbucks there is a tip jar for the "barrista" doing you the favor of putting the ingredients together in the correct manner.....his/her sole job. Not going above and beyond the job description. You are already paying top dollar for the product.......a product that you EXPECT to be made well.

Yet tips are used as a way for a business to attract workers who think the wages are low and otherwise might work elsewhere.

I wonder if the guy who won 14k...instead lost 14k.....and he told the dealer he was broke and needed 20 dollars for a cab ride home and asked her for 20 dollars......if she would feel like a partner to his losses and hand over the money.

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Everyone has their hand out compared to years ago. You go to a sub sandwich place, and there is a jar for tips at the register,simply for someone making your sandwich correctly. Ot Starbucks there is a tip jar for the "barrista" doing you the favor of putting the ingredients together in the correct manner.....his/her sole job. Not going above and beyond the job description. You are already paying top dollar for the product.......a product that you EXPECT to be made well.

Yet tips are used as a way for a business to attract workers who think the wages are low and otherwise might work elsewhere.

I wonder if the guy who won 14k...instead lost 14k.....and he told the dealer he was broke and needed 20 dollars for a cab ride home and asked her for 20 dollars......if she would feel like a partner to his losses and hand over the money.

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Listen as I have said many times. You guys don't want or like to tip... don't tip. It all averages out anyway and after many years working jobs that I made tips off of I found out it didn't matter if I gave great service or lousy service. I always came out to the same average of tips every month.

However if you aren't going to tip... don't tip anyone... I mean if you decide dealers or car wash guys shouldn't be tipped and you don't tip them... you shouldn't tip your server when eating out. I think if you decide you don't want to tip than you should stick to those guns and stiff everyone when faced with the tipping issue.

The same goes for you if you decide to work a job that accepts tips. If you are so bent on not tipping than you should refuse being tipped. This is my main problem. I worked for years in my youth as a dealer, bartender, server, room service server, tournament director and floor person. I accepted tips at the smallest and largest levels. I never told anyone I wouldn't accept a tip and I made plenty of tips. So now I tip everyone within reason. The point is if your not going to tip ok don't but tell your sons and daughters and family members that they shouldn't tip either. If your the head of the household and you disagree with the tipping culture and you decide you don't tip you shouldn't allow your wife and family to tip. You should really take a stance and not be so wishy washy about it.

That makes no sense. I tip anytime I ask for a service. I do not tip anyone who does something specifically for me that I didn't ask to be done but is a requirement if their job.

All the rest of your ongoing windbag psychobabble about it--and you--is irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

That makes no sense. I tip anytime I ask for a service. I do not tip anyone who does something specifically for me that I didn't ask to be done but is a requirement if their job.

All the rest of your ongoing windbag psychobabble about it--and you--is irrelevant.

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Your a tough cookie. I said this was my opinion and idea on the subject. There isn't a right or wrong question or answer.. the individual has to make their own decision. I do appreciate you finally taking a whack at me though... I've been waiting for you to insult me. I feel more like part of the club now so thanks! Although I'm not sure why you have to attack me personally... I'm like MC... I never graduated high school either so I don't think I'm educated enough to give anyone psycho babble?

I agree that I am irrelevant. Thanks for the reminder.

There's a pattern here. A bunch of anonymous WoVers chose to come here and take over much of the conversation with their AP baloney that no true AP would ever think of doing on a public forum, and they get uptight whenever anyone outside their sphere of influence questions them, challenges them, or disagrees with them. And some of them, with their loooong-winded rambling innervision-soaked posts, think they're God's gift to the psychology world. They want attention, crave relevance, and miss the wizard and that skankyone: BBB.

I say Off With Their Heads!

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

There's a pattern here. A bunch of anonymous WoVers chose to come here and take over much of the conversation with their AP baloney that no true AP would ever think of doing on a public forum, and they get uptight whenever anyone outside their sphere of influence questions them, challenges them, or disagrees with them. And some of them, with their loooong-winded rambling innervision-soaked posts, think they're God's gift to the psychology world. They want attention, crave relevance, and miss the wizard and that skankyone: BBB. I say Off With Their Heads!

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Off with your head, bitch. You, Mendelson and Buttnosehole are the problem on this forum. You and buttnosehole spew hatred and Mendelson is your accessory, enabler. You guys are losers ruining the forum. Bitch, you are just here temporarily but you think you are running things. You don't run jackshit, donkey. Now go sit back down on Mendelson's nose.

This is all so typical Argentino. Monet didn't say one word out of the way to him. But the problem is Monet is an AP and Argentino can't stand that. So he attacks Monet right out of the blue. Do you see that, Mendelson? This is your fucking friend attacking someone for no reason. Mendelson, it's you and the rest of the confederacy of dunces that are ruining the forum.

Mickeycrimm I never said anything like this before but you've forced me. Are you drunk?

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

There's a pattern here. A bunch of anonymous WoVers chose to come here and take over much of the conversation with their AP baloney that no true AP would ever think of doing on a public forum, and they get uptight whenever anyone outside their sphere of influence questions them, challenges them, or disagrees with them. And some of them, with their loooong-winded rambling innervision-soaked posts, think they're God's gift to the psychology world. They want attention, crave relevance, and miss the wizard and that skankyone: BBB. I say Off With Their Heads!

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This attack by Argentino is not only scurrilous, it's just plain stupid. But I've been telling people for years that Argentino really doesn't know anything about strategic gambling. All he knows is running a marty on negative expectation vp. He is not, in any sense, a gambling expert. Monet has been posting a lot of valuable information on real world advantage play. He's not only telling you how to do it, he's telling you where it's at.

This is a gambling forum for Christ's sake. Yet, people like Mendelson are calling for the AP's to be removed from it. Which is kind of strange because he just started a thread on milking freeplay and he's looking to learn from AP's. I just don't get it. In one post he wants us to go. In another he's asking us to teach him something.

mickey, almost everything seems to go straight thru that gaping hole in your head where everyone else has a high school diploma in place.

The reason this collection of "AP's" showed up is a result of Alan challenging/disagreeing with them on their claims about dice and other gambling-related issues. Then while here, they continue to make unsupportable claims and say things that are meant to impress one another, so Alan asks them to explain the how, when, and where and they clam up, call him names, and when they get frustrated they start blaming it all on his friendship with me. IE, they are following the redietz playbook to a tee. I wouldn't be surprised if red actually PM'd each of them trying to sell it to them either.

You are a special case tho. While anyone who can think knows no true AP would ever come on a public forum to tease about how great they are or how fabulous an edge they go after, you can't help yourself because of all the relevance-seeking AP's that showed up, you have no life or world or even a reason to LIVE without being able to constantly blab about your really uninteresting two-bit plays. So you go on and on and on about your nonsense, thinking anyone gives a crap when all you're getting is lip-service views of empathy and you know it.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

mickey, almost everything seems to go straight thru that gaping hole in your head where everyone else has a high school diploma in place.

The reason this collection of "AP's" showed up is a result of Alan challenging/disagreeing with them on their claims about dice and other gambling-related issues. Then while here, they continue to make unsupportable claims and say things that are meant to impress one another, so Alan asks them to explain the how, when, and where and they clam up, call him names, and when they get frustrated they start blaming it all on his friendship with me. IE, they are following the redietz playbook to a tee. I wouldn't be surprised if red actually PM'd each of them trying to sell it to them either.

You are a special case tho. While anyone who can think knows no true AP would ever come on a public forum to tease about how great they are or how fabulous an edge they go after, you can't help yourself because of all the relevance-seeking AP's that showed up, you have no life or world or even a reason to LIVE without being able to constantly blab about your really uninteresting two-bit plays. So you go on and on and on about your nonsense, thinking anyone gives a crap when all you're getting is lip-service views of empathy and you know it.

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This is not true in my case. I never said one derogatory word to Alan or you Rob. I don't even know you guys. I had some back and forth with Alan once about why it doesn't matter if you quit playing just because your up 8 grand and he just kept making funny comments to me not answering questions. I don't get too heated at anyone because I'm here to share and learn about gambling in Las Vegas. I've lived here with a house and family almost 20 years. I was here in 91 but didn't stay until about 96 or so, so that's 22 years solid.

My big problem is with the AP crews on these forums who don't explain how the AP life really is and how they act all high and moral and preach ethics which isn't true or realistic. I have far too much experience in this town. If you read my posts and responses you will see I get some backlash but not very much because all the Gamblers know I'm telling exact truths and current real world conditions in Las Vegas.

The non APs can't give me much strife because I don't attack them and I tell everyone how dirty the AP and Casino life really is and how much of a horrible person I am as well.

I expect you to attack me in some way and that is fine with me. Bill Yung isn't very popular on this site but I have never gave him any grief... I actually enjoy his comments or point of view. I do skip over some members comments because they don't offer any information... they just give one lined sarcasm which is fine. If they would actually give decent rebuttals and not keep on with name calling I'd give them more consideration.

Why do you say you're a horrible person?

Yes you are a different animal than all the other "AP's" here, but has your forum personality been permanently wrecked by the corrupt "management" crew at WoV?

From reading your posts, I think you would be someone with whom I could sit down and discuss our different methods and backgrounds, and have it actually mean something without all the animosity.

These ap's here can't and don't give much helpful info because the majority of them are armchair gamblers, con men (redietz, for example), bs artists seeking relevance (kewlj) or phonies like mickeycrimm, who makes up his wishful thinking pretend ap life the only way he can--on whatever internet forum that will let him.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Mickeycrimm I never said anything like this before but you've forced me. Are you drunk?

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Haven't had a drink in over a year.

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Mickeycrimm I never said anything like this before but you've forced me. Are you drunk?

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Haven't had a drink in over a year.

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Now THERE'S a laugh!

I haven't checked yet, but I'll soon know how many DUI's you've had in the past year. You've had them before as you know,.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

That makes no sense. I tip anytime I ask for a service. I do not tip anyone who does something specifically for me that I didn't ask to be done but is a requirement if their job.

All the rest of your ongoing windbag psychobabble about it--and you--is irrelevant.

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I agree. If I make an appointment with a plumber ahead of time and he shows up and does his job. I pay him with no tip. However if he came on zero notice and he went out of his way to fit me in....and he does his job...he gets a tip.

The dude that makes my sub sandwich, or makes my coffee is only doing what they get paid to do. They are not bringing it to my car or cutting it up in little pieces and feeding it to me when my jaw is wired. Now THAT would require a tip.

There is this sub chain..Jersey Miles. Where they make your sub, and you can walk to the cooler and take out a bottle of soda, or maybe select a cookie for sale from the counter. And the person rings up the sub, the cookie, the bottle of soda.....and on the credit card screen it asks if you want to add a 5-10-20 percent tip. And if you push any of the number selections...it calculates a tip on everything....even the bottle of soda and the cookie or chips you personally retrieved. The employess deserve a tip for the work that they are expected to do...plus the work that you did in bringing the items to the counter.

Might as well tip the cashier at safeway while you are at it. The cashier at safeway does more work than the barista at Starbucks or the cahsier at a sub shop..or the guy that cuts you 2 slices of pizza at the local pizza parlor.

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Originally Posted by LarryS

Everyone has their hand out compared to years ago. You go to a sub sandwich place, and there is a jar for tips at the register,simply for someone making your sandwich correctly. Ot Starbucks there is a tip jar for the "barrista" doing you the favor of putting the ingredients together in the correct manner.....his/her sole job. Not going above and beyond the job description. You are already paying top dollar for the product.......a product that you EXPECT to be made well.

Yet tips are used as a way for a business to attract workers who think the wages are low and otherwise might work elsewhere.

I wonder if the guy who won 14k...instead lost 14k.....and he told the dealer he was broke and needed 20 dollars for a cab ride home and asked her for 20 dollars......if she would feel like a partner to his losses and hand over the money.

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Listen as I have said many times. You guys don't want or like to tip... don't tip. It all averages out anyway and after many years working jobs that I made tips off of I found out it didn't matter if I gave great service or lousy service. I always came out to the same average of tips every month.

However if you aren't going to tip... don't tip anyone... I mean if you decide dealers or car wash guys shouldn't be tipped and you don't tip them... you shouldn't tip your server when eating out. I think if you decide you don't want to tip than you should stick to those guns and stiff everyone when faced with the tipping issue.

The same goes for you if you decide to work a job that accepts tips. If you are so bent on not tipping than you should refuse being tipped. This is my main problem. I worked for years in my youth as a dealer, bartender, server, room service server, tournament director and floor person. I accepted tips at the smallest and largest levels. I never told anyone I wouldn't accept a tip and I made plenty of tips. So now I tip everyone within reason. The point is if your not going to tip ok don't but tell your sons and daughters and family members that they shouldn't tip either. If your the head of the household and you disagree with the tipping culture and you decide you don't tip you shouldn't allow your wife and family to tip. You should really take a stance and not be so wishy washy about it.

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no one is telling others not to tip.
Giving money to others where it isnt required can be viewed as charity. So if you want to give charity to the dude that makes your coffee thats fine.....some people give charity to childrens hospital or the ASPCA.....AND some give it to the dude that slices the meat for your sub. To each his own......no one is telling anyone else who to give money to.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Money, you're probably correct. I'm just guessing that wherever my name is brought up without me first entering a thread, then it's OK to reply. With tipping, I've posted a lot in the past about why it is stupid to tip on handpays, at the cage, or any slot attendant and ESPECIALLY not a host. You're either there to make money or you're there to socialize. I make money, and I couldn't care less about feeling intimidated over this or that, how it might be when I see the slot attendant on my next handpay, at the bar down the street, when I face them at church on Sunday, or when they bring their teenager over my house to babysit. I don't tip period. I did not ask them to give me a handpay or a tax form. I do tip lucratively anyone whom I ask a favor or a service of. Hotel maids are not one of them.

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Then Alan and BH can get you into any thread just by mentioning your name.

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Singer and no tip Bundy go hand in hand...The king of stiffs!!

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The casinos are the ones making all the money they should pay people enuff so they don't have to beg for tips