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Over a 10% hold on TDB thru 22k games but rob beats it every day. Yeah, right.
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Look at this: https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...-poker-machine
Over a 10% hold on TDB thru 22k games but rob beats it every day. Yeah, right.
This. Not a large enough sample size. Add in the fact that it's TDB with its ridiculous variance AND the fact it's Double Super Times Pay, so add in a lot more ridiculous variance! All that and the fact that nobody is playing the game optimally.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Machines have had this data and other data screens for years and it's good to finally see an actual picture of one on a forum. The machine I had at home showed multiple data layers (details). Every VP player should have seen these screens at least once. The armchair specialists--not so much.
Alan made the most pertinent comment here which touched the ap nerve on jbjb again. No game, regardless of who plays it and how often good or bad players play it, will show a theoretical hold higher than the actual hold without rare circumstances. IE, even if a constant flock of hot-shot/team-oriented AP's were the only ones to play a particular game on a particular machine, the actual hold always trumps the theo after a large sample size. And this was confirmed to be on the Wynn $1 FPDW machines I got them to put in.
I'd safely say mickey doesn't have the educational level to be able to play a game like TDBP correctly.
I've mastered games that are much more complicated. You're an idiot that doesn't know jackshit about gambling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Sure you have. Goes right along with you being a professional keno player :) and always winning exactly $500 on every casino visit. As an anonymous coward mickey, you're just about as believable as a phony armchair player like kew.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmI've mastered games that are much more complicated. You're an idiot that doesn't know jackshit about gambling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Wise up.
I've also made more money than you claim to have made. If you google internet coward you will find your picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerSure you have. Goes right along with you being a professional keno player :) and always winning exactly $500 on every casino visit. As an anonymous coward mickey, you're just about as believable as a phony armchair player like kew.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmI've mastered games that are much more complicated. You're an idiot that doesn't know jackshit about gambling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Wise up.
If you pick up just a penny in a casino ONCE, you've made more money then Rob has in his entire life from casino games!
AND ALAN!Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
It is no wonder these two life long losers and degenerate gamblers are so bitter and hateful towards anyone who has made some money from casinos. I mean to the point of denying basic mathematical principals. AND being that these two haters and losers are the top two leading posters on this forum (by volume not usefulness), it is no wonder this forum has evolved into an anti-AP bias.
And being that these two haters are the leading posters on this site, it is no wonder Dan Druff refuses to do anything about it. Dan talks a good game, but no forum owner wants to see volume decline and discussion cease on his forum. And that is exactly why Dan refuses to do anything about these two anti-AP, haters and even explains why untrue to his word, Dan Druff reversed course and invited Singer back.
Kew, as long as there are anonymous relevance-seekers and those who only talk a big game like you and mickey, this forum will never see a decline. You guys make the absurd claims; more intelligent people debunk them. Then you huff and puff and whine like a little wussy, and mickey takes a few gulps of cheap booze so he has the courage to tell those who disagree with him how he's gonna murder them.
Methinks what you're really angry about is how Alan and I both have pensions, ss, and 7-figure retirement accounts....while you know you'll never have any of that even if your delicate blood & ticker system makes it out of the 2020's.
How do you know the games were played poorly? You don't have to be a genius to play video poker, or to gamble. It helps to have a memory when counting cards but video poker doesn't require any memory at all because the same 52/53 cards are used in every hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
Kewlj stop your whine and rant about me being anti AP. It's old and it's wrong. You are the number one hater on this forum.
Rob, you are really going to infuriate Alan's son here, knowing that he could have been compensated from Alan's seven figure account under the original terms of payment for his work on the show, rather than having to restructure his show compensation schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I was wondering who was going to be the first individual to jump all over that comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayRob, you are really going to infuriate Alan's son here, knowing that he could have been compensated from Alan's seven figure account under the original terms of payment for his work on the show, rather than having to restructure his show compensation schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I'm not up to speed on that issue, but I do know nobody can ever touch a 401k outside of possibly bankruptcy court and maybe the IRS.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayRob, you are really going to infuriate Alan's son here, knowing that he could have been compensated from Alan's seven figure account under the original terms of payment for his work on the show, rather than having to restructure his show compensation schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I have a pension from the SAG-AFTRA pension fund. I get payments for life. Yes the "cash equivalent" is well over two million but you're not allowed to tap into a pension pool. It's not like a 401k. And the best part of a pension is the money never runs out, unlike a 401k which can be exhausted if you live too long.
I also collect social security and I paid into social security starting with my first radio job when I was 16. That's 50 years of contributions.
OJ's NFL and acting pension can never be touched, even by the Goldman civil judgment. OJ probably has a SAG pension (Screen Actors Guild).
The unions merged a couple years ago, but the stronger AFTRA pension remained independent.
The combined SAG-AFTRA union is 95% SAG members but the wealth is 95% AFTRA members. This is because there are SAG members earning as little as a couple thousand a year.
Edited to add: Yes OJ has a SAG pension too. Here's an article on his "bullet proof pensions" (what a pun).
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/07/20/oj...parole-hearing
Also OJ lives in Florida, and I believe the laws in that state make his home immune to garnishment (or whatever the proper term would be for a residence).Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Alan's pension belongs to his kid and the Craps table's.
Alan's pension belongs to his kid and the Craps table's. The truth came out regarding his financial situation due to his -EV gambling addictions.
From $25 VP to .25 VP. Imagine that.
Do you think these jealous gambling-addicted clowns have any idea what you're talking about when you bring up pensions, social security, and 401k's? To them we're broke because we don't play ap, your ex-wives and family can siphon your retirement accounts because that's the only narrative they can live with here, and I'm stealing electricity and fuel for my RV and camper, and have no homes I bought to go to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
These are the little people Alan....the ones who went into gambling with a dream and woke up in the middle of it in a nightmare. That's all some of these people have. That, and making up all sorts of stories about you, me, and themselves, just so they can get up in the morning (and so mickey can get a few winks in his old junk car).
It's fun to watch!
Years ago, Florida is the state to go to when running from bankruptcy. I remember when Bowie Kuhn, the former baseball commissioner, had his law firm in NJ file for bankruptcy. Rather than stay in your home state and take the heat, he ran to Florida. Full value of your home is protected. many other assets are protected. I think 60 Minutes tried to interview him and he went into seclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayAlso OJ lives in Florida, and I believe the laws in that state make his home immune to garnishment (or whatever the proper term would be for a residence).Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Other states have caught up a bit. Rob is correct that your 401K is protected, everywhere.
In Florida they have "homesteading" which protects all of the value of lower and middle priced homes and some of the value of higher priced homes. When I owned a home in Florida I think the first $100,000 was protected but those were the days that houses only cost $110,000.
I'm going to Google it.
Edited to add: exemptions are all over the map. Even a million dollar home can be protected.
Rob I first joined AFTRA in 1972. I only wish they'd let me take a lump sum from my pension which was 100% funded by my employers.
Don't quote me but I believe the amount of the exemption in Florida is the full value of the home, but there is some limitation as to size (acreage) rather than value.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
It's something that goes far beyond the comprehension level of the low class clowns here. Imagine how someone like mickey would feel collecting more than his two figure ss check and getting a 5 or 6 figure pension every year left in his sorrowful life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I don't expect most pensions can be taken as a lump sum any more.
Bet welching, degenerate gambler, cousin Eddie, living in someone else's driveway, mooching utilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Really kewlj?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJBet welching, degenerate gambler, cousin Eddie, living in someone else's driveway, mooching utilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Ya know, I have challenged Rob over the years on several things. I challenged him on his taxes and said I didn't believe he could deduct his groceries, dinners, parties when he filed a Schedule C. But he said he survived two audits and frankly that's where it ended. Unless he shows us his tax documents we'll never know. The IRS won't tell us. Just like the IRS won't release the President's returns.
I called out Rob on the bet with Arc over tax returns. Arc came through and Rob didn't.
Rob probably doesn't have any proof that redietz ever sent him a solicitation.
But you, kewlj. What was the point writing this response? Rob made a mature, intelligent statement but you had to just muck it up with another of your personal, immature attacks. You really are the #1 hater on this forum.
Alan, only you were going to see Rob's returns and the information you were allowed to report was limited. So why do you think Rob welshed the bet? I think it's obvious he had something to hide from you. And I think that something was his returns show something quite different than what he has been representing all these years. And I think we can start with his returns not showing his occupation as professional gambler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonReally kewlj?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJBet welching, degenerate gambler, cousin Eddie, living in someone else's driveway, mooching utilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Ya know, I have challenged Rob over the years on several things. I challenged him on his taxes and said I didn't believe he could deduct his groceries, dinners, parties when he filed a Schedule C. But he said he survived two audits and frankly that's where it ended. Unless he shows us his tax documents we'll never know. The IRS won't tell us. Just like the IRS won't release the President's returns.
I called out Rob on the bet with Arc over tax returns. Arc came through and Rob didn't.
Rob probably doesn't have any proof that redietz ever sent him a solicitation.
But you, kewlj. What was the point writing this response? Rob made a mature, intelligent statement but you had to just muck it up with another of your personal, immature attacks. You really are the #1 hater on this forum.
Mickeycrimm it doesn't matter why he didn't send his returns to me. The bottom line is he didn't but Arc did. End of story.
Interesting stuff Deech. thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeechYears ago, Florida is the state to go to when running from bankruptcy. I remember when Bowie Kuhn, the former baseball commissioner, had his law firm in NJ file for bankruptcy. Rather than stay in your home state and take the heat, he ran to Florida. Full value of your home is protected. many other assets are protected. I think 60 Minutes tried to interview him and he went into seclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayAlso OJ lives in Florida, and I believe the laws in that state make his home immune to garnishment (or whatever the proper term would be for a residence).Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Other states have caught up a bit. Rob is correct that your 401K is protected, everywhere.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
This must be part of the undocumented "well-documented" documentation that Argentino won a boatload of money (net, mind you, net). See, if there is no actual documentation, the trick is to say "it's well documented that..." You have passive voice, no actual reference, and not even a reasonable summary of the provenance of the author's subjective impression that money was won.
Undocumented documentation. The key to solid reporting.
And you wonder why others see you as strange.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
This must be part of the undocumented "well-documented" documentation that Argentino won a boatload of money (net, mind you, net). See, if there is no actual documentation, the trick is to say "it's well documented that..." You have passive voice, no actual reference, and not even a reasonable summary of the provenance of the author's subjective impression that money was won.
Undocumented documentation. The key to solid reporting.
Did your wife commit suicide?
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Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonReally kewlj?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJBet welching, degenerate gambler, cousin Eddie, living in someone else's driveway, mooching utilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Ya know, I have challenged Rob over the years on several things. I challenged him on his taxes and said I didn't believe he could deduct his groceries, dinners, parties when he filed a Schedule C. But he said he survived two audits and frankly that's where it ended. Unless he shows us his tax documents we'll never know. The IRS won't tell us. Just like the IRS won't release the President's returns.
I called out Rob on the bet with Arc over tax returns. Arc came through and Rob didn't.
Rob probably doesn't have any proof that redietz ever sent him a solicitation.
But you, kewlj. What was the point writing this response? Rob made a mature, intelligent statement but you had to just muck it up with another of your personal, immature attacks. You really are the #1 hater on this forum.
Let's cut to the chase here. KewlJ issued a challenge to Argentino. The first 40 responses featured nothing from Argentino, but 11 responses from Mr. Mendelson. Each response featured some kind of cover or diversion. The opener tried to argue for gross winnings as some kind of measure of credibility for the claim of professionalism. That was so clearly wrong, it was ridiculous. Based on that measure, every lottery winner should get to file as a professional gambler. Interestingly, when pressed as to why anyone should believe in his professional status, Argentino later argued that his annual collection of W2Gs totaling a million or more should be more than enough in the way of evidence. So he parroted the gross winnings claim of Mr. Mendelson. It's a good thing these guys don't purposefully tag team the forum -- LOL.
Argentino, for all of his posting, never mentions how many hands he played and what his X, Y, and Z results have been per hands played. He says, of course, that it's not important. What nerd keeps records like that? Well, if you want to file as a professional gambler, you have got to have logs like that.
Then you have a guy playing less than eight hours a week as a full-time professional. That's an oxymoron, since "full-time" does require you fulfill the definition of "full-time."
Of course, the IRS lets all of this slide.
Argentino, for all of his tax talk, hasn't even spelled out whether he filed as an individual, as a proprietor, or as a member of a Gambling Entity. That would be an obvious starting point. Not a mention. If he was heading a Gambling Entity, that opens a whole other can of worms regarding W2Gs.
The bottom line is that the two most prolific posters on this forum are pushing demonstrably wrong gambling strategies backed up by torturous, detail-lacking origin stories regarding the math of their gambling. What does that tell you?
It should tell you, redietz and kewlj, that you're both wasting your time and Rob won't do any kind of bet.
What a sick, sick fuck you are Argentino.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Shouldn't it tell YOU something Alan? I keep waiting for you to take a step back and find just a tad of that honesty and integrity that a real journalist processes. Andyou keep disappointing, not surprising, but disappointing me. Shame on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Your dispute is with Rob, not with me. I am not on your payroll as your investigative reporter.
It's well documented here that Rob did not send me his tax returns but Arc did. What else do you want me to do?
I'm not the forum police and I don't work for you and redietz.
You guys are wasting your time. You're not going to waste mine. Rob is laughing at you. There is no reason for him to do anything you want or to even care about it. Your obsession is your problem. That goes for redietz also.
The only real "obsession" I see is in regard to playing the "gotcha card."
Exposing bold yet patently false claims can be entertaining, in both an intellectual and emotional way, although the value of doing so carries about as much weight as a small pile of butterfly wings.
Yeah, that craps table is calling 24/7. Isn't it? You would probably make it past the first week of the month for maybe a year if you could access it all at once. Then when it is gone you could pull a Singer and Cousin Eddie it up in your kids driveway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
This is definitely your funniest out of your 10000+ posts...glad your still posting here!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
Alan no longer the big shot baller he wants everyone to believe!!Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
I view it a little differently MrV. I don't find it entertaining at all. And I am less interested in the "gotcha card" and more interested in the truth, especially when such 'patently false claims' are influential to other players. This is the point that I feel legitimate players, and not just APs, but legitimate players that know and understand the math, have a responsibility to set the record straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Not all AP's share my passion about that because it can have the effect of creating new AP's, actual competition if you will. I don't worry about that so much as that sort of thing always works itself out. Very few people go on to the level to be any kind of real competition to me or any other real AP here or on other sites.
This 'Singer situation' is actually very similar to the situation that has resulted in me being banned from Qfit's blackjack site and carryover to WoV. I (and 2 other professional players) called out a member who was making mathematically impossible claims. Despite the consequences from that issue on the blackjack site, which has since been resolved, I have always said that I would do so again, despite being dragged through the mud. And this similar situation, although involving video poker claims rather than blackjack, is proof that I am true to my core. I believe I and other players have, not just a right, but a responsibility to call out ridiculous and mathematically impossible claims.
Here's some relief for you kewlj. Now brace yourself because it will come as a shock to you. Ready?
Are you sure?
Okay, here it is:
Rob Singer has not made any mathematical impossible claims. The rest of you have twisted his comments to make it seem he has.
Ouch. I knew that was going to hurt you.
WRONG ALAN!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Claiming 1.5 million in profit by playing -EV games is a mathematically impossible claim!
The premise that you can play many, many short terms that will equal the true long-term and mathematical distribution associated with long-term is a mathematically impossible claim!
Claiming stop limits, win limits, loss limits and other voodoo concepts an alter longterm results and distribution are mathematically impossible claims!
edit: I guess I am not surprised that you, Alan....of 18 y.o.'s in a row fame...don't recognize what a mathematically impossible claim is. :rolleyes:
I was at the WSOP last night and heard a good joke at one of the tables while playing. It went something like this...
Rob Singer, Alan Money Man Mendelson and Todd Witteles walk into this Bar Mitzvah together and...........
Exactly what has been going on for years. You don't know what he really won, but you also know people do win playing -EV games. That's the end of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJWRONG ALAN!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Claiming 1.5 million in profit by playing -EV games is a mathematically impossible claim!
The premise that you can play many, many short terms that will equal the true long-term and mathematical distribution associated with long-term is a mathematically impossible claim!
Claiming stop limits, win limits, loss limits and other voodoo concepts an alter longterm results and distribution are mathematically impossible claims!
edit: I guess I am not surprised that you, Alan....of 18 y.o.'s in a row fame...don't recognize what a mathematically impossible claim is. :rolleyes:
The entire battle between Rob and the rest of the world has been over one thing and one thing only: Ego.
It's time for everyone to grow up. Including Rob.
The ideal situation with a 401K or IRA is a situation where it will not be exhausted by living too long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
This can be accomplished when the average yearly gains of the 401K or IRA (in most cases it will require that the investor accept some risk; but not a great amount of risk) are greater than the average yearly draw down for expenses or discretionary purchases.
IRS requires minimum draw downs beginning at age 70.5 and they will be taxable if it's a regular 401K or regular IRA but the idea is that the taxation is at a much lower rate because the investor is older, and in many cases not working and has a much lower base income.
The required minimum draw downs, after taxes are paid, or estimated taxes are secured, can be farmed right back into the same investments into a non IRA or non 401K account.
For the purposes of my post I was considering that newly formed regular account as part of the original 401K or IRA in making the statement that ideally it would not be exhausted by living too long.
Persons who spent their careers as full time APs are not likely to have 401Ks but if they paid their taxes properly and had significant incomes they will have an S.S. payout. They also are eligible to have IRA accounts.
If interest rates continue to rise, they can get a better (than now) deal by using their savings to purchase a lifetime annuity and they can realize a lifetime income flow that way also.
Hopefully, a person such as this, as they get older and slow down, can still realize income from a career such as this by cutting down to part time at least for a fair amount of time.
This is the first time I've seen one. A powerful statement of short term strategy- thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Have you bought the RV yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by slingshotThis is the first time I've seen one. A powerful statement of short term strategy- thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Why just limit your desire to ferret out falsehood and fuzzy thinking only to casino gambling?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Expand your reach, there are many soft targets out there.
Start first with religion and the notion of a god which created and governs the universe.
That particular belief has done a helluva lot more harm to mankind than have the spewings of an innumerate odd couple.
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Originally Posted by MisterV
Maybe because the topic of this forum is casino gambling?
The topic is "Vegas casino talk."
Lots of topics get talked about inside Las Vegas casinos, including religion, ethics and morality.
The point I was obliquely getting at is that KJ does in fact seem to get joy and satisfaction in flaming his adversaries, despite his fervent protestations to the contrary; he's no "more interested in learning the truth" than is alan or Singer.
All have agendas and post in furtherance of same.
I disagree. Plus, I just talked to God, as I do everyday…..and he says "you are stupid". :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Mr. V, maybe you can appreciate a Humanist/Skeptic/Skeptical Inquirer angle on this. When I first found this forum, the Singer/Mendelson relationship looked an awful lot like Uri Geller/Stanford Research Institute to me. In fact, it was the closest thing to a classic paranormal claim parallel I have ever seen. That's what we're talking about -- somebody claiming paranormal abilities glomming onto a media celebrity who falls for and commits to the whole storyline while adding credibility to the claimant.
Let's face it, nobody else is going to bat for Argentino anywhere or even providing an Abbott to his Costello. Call Gaming Today -- ask them what they think. The whole scenario here is so classic, it's beyond textbook.
Now I was a big James Randi and Johnny Carson fan a long time before I ever heard of Argentino, so I don't think you can stand idly by forever (I stood by a long time) while the stories get more ludicrous and nobody says, "Hey, does this even make any sense?" Eventually, if you see stupidness, you have to raise your hand and say, "I see stupidness."
slingshot,Quote:
Originally Posted by slingshot
What do you see in that photo that makes it a "powerful statement of short term strategy"?
So, you're hearing voices, are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
You'd best get that checked out!
Seems to me it's fine for people to pray, as it helps them crytallize their otherwise mushy thought processes, but when they claim an invisible being converses back I have to draw the line.
Plus KJ's god seems to be a cruel, abusive flamer; when he prayed to his god, his god's only response, and I quote, was "You are stupid."
Really?!
KJ gets flamed and insulted for worshiping and praying to his god?
I'd hate to see what his god does to smite his detractors.
Then again, what can one expect from a god who by report crucified his only son?
Well, for one, no matter how smart a player or how long he continues to play, there is a limit to how far he/she can play to overcome the casino edge. This became readily evident this year as I tried to play through my winnings. It was too easy to fall in the "if I can win a little keep playing to win more" trap. My worst year ever. And all I had to do was reverse my thinking. MATH is a TRAP and the casinos actually thrive on highly intelligent people who think they have the smarts to beat them. That's why Rob- with a $175k bankroll- was able to accumulate $984k over 10 years with just a 5% or less win goal. So simple! And yet would I have the discipline to start with $57k and leave the moment I won JUST $2,500? Now take that down to the quarter level. Could I stop after a $5-$15 win on a machine? Sounds like not even worth the trouble but ever so often the quads DO hit and $60- $200 wins do pay for some extras WHILE allowing some freeplay and meals. And then one day- by sheer luck- comes the $500-$1,000 Aces/Royal win. And my weird breathing/congestive throat feeling doesn't become a factor at nights. Sure, I wish I had the larger bankroll but that's just life and how well I prepared for retirement. And there's no way that I can touch- or would want to- the $250k trust that so far stays the same each year. Peanuts to you guys. Thankfully, the strategies work at all levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by a2a3dseddieslingshot,Quote:
Originally Posted by slingshot
What do you see in that photo that makes it a "powerful statement of short term strategy"?
You guys will have to excuse me from all this- I don't have any taste for it, anymore. I have 3 sons- one whose son just pitched a championship game win and whose daughter is a true "tomboy" and has driven in several winning runs. It's such a joy to watch the videos. My oldest son works with the children at St Jude's, and his daughter is a beautiful lil' ballerina with all sons in academic excellence. Their mother is a church worker/administrator and constantly sends videos. My middle son had his beautiful daughter after several failures and himself worked as a computer consultant sent to several COUNTRIES! She is CUTE personified. This has been taking a lot of my time- that and being -I guess- a respected member on several hobby forums. I go from extreme joy for my blessings to the darkness of this forum. I apologize- but I don't want to appear as someone who "tucked tail and ran", as we say in Texas.
No worries.
Your priorities do not seem skewed: family / loved ones are most important.
If one actually believed deep down that they had a winning system they would be using ALL their funds to bump up levels and make that cash. But not even you believe deep down the system really works. Its just a fancy way to entertain yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by slingshotWell, for one, no matter how smart a player or how long he continues to play, there is a limit to how far he/she can play to overcome the casino edge. This became readily evident this year as I tried to play through my winnings. It was too easy to fall in the "if I can win a little keep playing to win more" trap. My worst year ever. And all I had to do was reverse my thinking. MATH is a TRAP and the casinos actually thrive on highly intelligent people who think they have the smarts to beat them. That's why Rob- with a $175k bankroll- was able to accumulate $984k over 10 years with just a 5% or less win goal. So simple! And yet would I have the discipline to start with $57k and leave the moment I won JUST $2,500? Now take that down to the quarter level. Could I stop after a $5-$15 win on a machine? Sounds like not even worth the trouble but ever so often the quads DO hit and $60- $200 wins do pay for some extras WHILE allowing some freeplay and meals. And then one day- by sheer luck- comes the $500-$1,000 Aces/Royal win. And my weird breathing/congestive throat feeling doesn't become a factor at nights. Sure, I wish I had the larger bankroll but that's just life and how well I prepared for retirement. And there's no way that I can touch- or would want to- the $250k trust that so far stays the same each year. Peanuts to you guys. Thankfully, the strategies work at all levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by a2a3dseddieslingshot,Quote:
Originally Posted by slingshot
What do you see in that photo that makes it a "powerful statement of short term strategy"?
AxelWolf wrote "If one actually believed deep down that they had a winning system they would be using ALL their funds to bump up levels and make that cash. But not even you believe deep down the system really works. Its just a fancy way to entertain yourself."
It's still gambling and that's why there are loss limits. And that's why there are budgets.
Again the amount of misunderstanding about Rob Singer's "system" is overwhelming. It's not voodoo, it's not like Uri Gellar switching keys, it's not bad math. It's simple and what every "grandma" does on a budget.
I know why you attack him. It's because he's a foul mouthed bigot who insults dead people and his critics and their wives. So he puts a big target on his back and on his chest. You want to prove him wrong.
Remember the 1964 presidential campaign? The slogan for Barry Gokdwater comes to mind about Rob's casino play: in your heart you know he's right.
Let's face it guys: when you have a big win you go celebrate. So does Rob, but his celebration starts with leaving the casino.
And... you've had a bad run at blackjack so you increase your bets to make up for the loss. Guess what? Rob moves up in denominations.
And the bad math? There is no bad math. He knows his special plays are at a disadvantage so when he uses them less than 5% of the time they are available he's just taking a shot trying to get lucky. That's not bad math, that's trying to get lucky.
Every claim you have about Rob's play can be explained if you would willingly listen and didn't twist it.
Now I can't verify any claims about what he said he's won or lost. He never sent me his tax returns. But to me it doesn't matter if he won a million dollars or not. What matters is that what he says makes sense. And in casinos with all of the lights and sounds and distractions, sense gets lost.
As I said before it's a battle of egos. Why you're fighting especially those of you who are anonymous here just amazes me.
Mr Dietz uses his own name so his ego is really on the line. I'm sorry you feel that way Mr Dietz. But if you really felt you were right and Singer was wrong you would just ignore Singer.
I know Singer is wrong when he starts with his insults and ego fighting. I've told him he's his own worst enemy. It's not defensible what he says sometimes.
Everybody grow up. Rob too.
Rob’s system doesn’t even use math. It might pretend to. But I’ve yet to see anything he’s written or anyone for that matter who’s claimed anything mathematical (positive) about it. Let’s start with an easy one:
How likely is he to lose the session BR in one session of play?
This is a perfect analogy Alan. ALL those grandmas on a budget are losing players. So thank you for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Another great analogy. Another losing system. Anyone playing a progression at blackjack is a long-term loser. But keep going Alan, you are doing great. No need for any of us to make our points, you are doing so very nicely. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Now what is with the "manual quoting" and all the "so and so said" that you have been doing for the past few weeks? This site has a quoting feature. Did you forget how to use it?
Thank you, Mister V. RS, I didn't mean that Rob's strategy used no math- as it was based on the math- taking into account all his short term applications. It was all summed up in his last article, "What's wrong with a positive progression?" on VP truth. Don't want to leave that impression.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't celebrate "big wins," and I certainly don't increase bets after losing. After "big wins," do I buy something extra? No. Do I eat at a different restaurant? No. Do I decide I'm the cat's meow? No. I go out of my way to avoid changing the decision-making context that led to the "big win." Frankly, after a "big win," I hammer at the casino for more comps, knowing they are under duress to keep me there.
Increasing bets after losing? You establish via your initial bets that you do not know what you're doing, so you then increase your bets accordingly? You've gotta be kidding. Best way to go broke.
These habits and behaviors are straight out of the George Costanza School of Casino Wagering.
Good lord, people, if you're reading this, DO NOT DO these kinds of things.
And finally, regarding Argentino and if I thought he was wrong, I'd ignore him. Since video poker isn't my schtick and I don't consider myself an AP, I pretty much did ignore him (for 2,000 posts) until (1) his attacks on arci became intolerable under Mr. Mendelson's forum guidance and (2) Argentino started venturing into the sports wagering field in his posts, where he was spouting his usual braggadocio but clearly had no blessed idea what he was doing. It would have been horribly wrong to just let him keep typing hate left and right, and giving what I absolutely knew were wrong suggestions regarding how to bet sports. I understand how some hardcore capitalists think everyone should look the other way when people clearly don't know what they're doing and aren't what they claim, because -- after all -- what's the cost /benefit? But I'm not a hardcore capitalist.
Redietz wrote: "Frankly, after a "big win," I hammer at the casino for more comps, knowing they are under duress to keep me there."
I thought you only play 25-cent deuces wild. What big wins and comps are you getting?
We've found evidence that Rob plays sucker keno (not to be construed with the advantage keno that I play). And Rob proved with his own stats that he is a losing sports bettor by putting up his picks for two NFL seasons on his website. How much money has he dumped on these endeavors since 1995? Rob is a degenerate gambler that calls everyone else degenerate gamblers.
Kewlj wrote "Now what is with the "manual quoting" and all the "so and so said" that you have been doing for the past few weeks? This site has a quoting feature. Did you forget how to use it?"
I'm using my cell phone and I'm having trouble with the quote feature.
Is it that hard to write [quote]quote[/quote] ? OrQuote:
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I just came back from coaching a summer varsity girls basketball game. I have no children on the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by slingshot
No one has any problems if a person leaves the forum. Jeez, I sound like LarryS. I guess some children are more perfect than others. Knowing how parents are after receiving numerous emails from running four or five programs in my town, I will leave the hanging chad, and not go for the jugular.
Personally, I love working with parents that have a child with disabilities, or such, and figuring how I can get them placed on a team (with the proper coach).
I guess this forum is for families with misfit families.
Damn LarryS, where are you?
OK. I have post on the edge in the last few minutes, but this one is with understanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Yes, many individuals with read this post regarding a player's type of play. I applaud you, for the second time, to figure out how to eliminate the venom on that certain player's type of play.
I am not picking sides, but at least you are reaching across the aisle.
Technically, I stand in the middle of the aisle but my background has me lean one way.
Again, I applaud you.
[/QUOTE] If one actually believed deep down that they had a winning system they would be using ALL their funds to bump up levels and make that cash. But not even you believe deep down the system really works. Its just a fancy way to entertain yourself.[/QUOTE]
This is just an ignorant statement. The one main thing you struggling AP's won't get about the what and why I developed the strategy is that it has nothing to do with making someone wealthy or risking everything they have cash-wise so they can play higher and higher stakes, thereby winning even more money.
And you people can't get there because your lives just aren't on the same level. The reason it makes no sense to you is because you never secured your lives and retirement in the first place, and you can only think about good gambling as a way for you to make it. That's not only stupid from all angles--it's sad.
I set aside a $171,600 bankroll (3x a session's required br of $57,200) when I started out, and the goal was to quit after either reaching $1million in net profit directly from the machines, to quit for the year as soon as I reached $100k profit, to quit on my 60th birthday, or if I lost enough of the bankroll so that I no longer had at least one session's worth ($57,200) to play another session. And as I won along the way that money did not go into increasing or replenishing my gambling bankroll because it wasn't needed or meant to.
And that's what you guys don't get: unlike you gambling-infatuated people, my money in life was made, the pro vp play had zero to do with my quality of life in the present or in the future, and it was simply a way of proving to myself that as an educated/early retired aerospace engineer/exec, I was intelligent enough to be able to figure out a way to consistently take money from the machines that took money from me as a losing ap. It had nothing to do with either trying to make more and more money, or teaching others how to get rich. When I teach others I tell them it's how to enjoy their play more, how to lose less or win for a change, and that virtually no one will do it exactly as I do it but their own variations and denominations which are comfortable to them is of the utmost importance.
So make whatever you want up about all this, and mickey keep coming up with your frustration-breaking lies about me playing keno and losing at the very little sports betting I've done or whatever. Nothing changes the facts....and definitely, nothing changes you.
You and axel must have dropped out of the same school.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
The strategy is not only grounded in optimal play math from the start--any and every deviations from that are 100% based on mathematical analyses and so-explained. The videos are a good place to start to update your education on this.
Not sure what you mean about not seeing anyone who's claimed anything mathematical about it. I continually have brought these points up, and critics/confused personalities refuse to read with comprehension because they haven't the aptitude to think beyond +EV means you win and -EV means you lose. But if you retain anything at all then let this sink in: THE STRATEGY IS BASED ON MATH, IT DOESN'T OUTSMART THE MATH OR ATTEMPT TO REWRITE THE MATH BOOKS, AND IT'S #1 ATTRIBUTE IS THAT IT ENHANCES THE PLAYER'S OPPORTUNITY FOR GOOD LUCK TO APPEAR--WHICH AS WE ALL KNOW, IS THE ABSOLUTE ONLY WAY ANY PLAYER EVER HAS A WINNING SESSION AT THE VP MACHINES.
All the other bs you people spew is irrelevant.
Your question about the likelihood of losing the session bankroll in a session of play shows just how little you understand about the strategy. First, are you aware that there are many soft profit cashouts as the session progresses that are NEVER risked again? If so, then maybe you'd understand that the chances of losing an entire session bankroll is virtually impossible. And if your question really refers to the chance of simply "losing" a session (which I identify as not attaining at least a $2500 profit--or losing part of my session bankroll) then that's 85% to 90%.
Deep Thoughts from Rob Argentino.
It's a shame his mastery of the machines will die with him. And the secrets of how to get the IRS to agree that you're full-time when you do something four hours a week. It's sad that this knowledge will be lost to future generations.
But perhaps there's a secret cabal of trainees somewhere, waiting to keep the gnosis alive. One can only hope and pray.
It's fun to watch redietz continually step into his own traps, isn't it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Now wait for another one of his nerve-driven wordy but corny dissertations....
Brilliant trap, really...if casinos didn't have sports books. I didn't even respond to Mr. Mendelson on this, because it was so blatantly stupid, and I suspect Mr. Mendelson's suffering some cognitive issues. But Argentino stepped to the plate.
Of course he did. More Deep Thoughts and Gotchas from Rob Argentino.
There was a recent post about a presumption that those who are good at math have reading disabilities. I would not go that far but there are countless individuals that are good at math and have poor verbal scores (guilty).Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I am getting better. If given a multiple choice, I had "cabal" nailed. There is no doubt that I am in the minority that pronounced "gnosis" correctly. Then again, why would I be in a room by myself trying to articulate words that I do not know?
Please give another play on a machine that I can research? This room is shrinking. I will be reviewing the analysis of the play posted two above me.
Yeah right---sports better's are constantly under "duress" by casinos to keep them there. And we all know these gamblers are absolutely showered with comps, especially when they "hammer" the casino for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I'm glad you showed such abnormal strength in "ignoring Alan" on this.