Midwest Player

Moses/Tater have you ever contributed one little once of worth while blackjack information. All your posts are about threatening folks. Okay you are probably a big dumb jock. Live by the sword. Die by the sword. You have not only threatened KJ, but also Norm and made many implied threats to folks over at BJTF. All your posts are about standing up and never backing down, never anything about blackjack.

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Moses replies: There was a time when I made many contributions to blackjack information. But it's a column count which reduces volatilty and risk while increasing the overall profit in shorter period of time. No one wants to hear it so I stopped talking about it. I remember you would speak of your travels. Folks put you down for it, so you stopped. Correct?

Now I've had players want to meet me, like Big Jer, who knows both Tater and myself. APs have contacted me from the East Coast. Came to my home and visited for hours about blackjack. We went to dinner and had a very enjoyable day.

But you've got guys like KJ and Flash that impose their will on others. Use several different handles. Whatever they could do to deceive others. I simply called their bluff like many on this forum do. And they don't like it.

You may be right. I may die by the sword. But at least it will be for something that is good, right, and something I believe in.

Midwest Player: Have you ever walked across the street to help a young girl being robbed? Funny thing, when I did. Others followed.
How you ever stood at a crossing light while three thugs were ganging up on a teenage girl and her little sister? Everyone else crossed the street shaking their heads in disgust. The light changed twice while people passed by. I stayed. And when I heard them say we'll take you in the alley and it will be 3 on 2? I simply raised 3 fingers. The got my message. Then I waited with the girls for the parents to come.

I could go on with several stories as these are almost weekly occurances. Do get me wrong, I'm no hero. Sometimes I wish I could've looked the other way or walked across with the rest of the group. But I can't. I really don't know why.

Maybe you saw on the news recently were this guy shoved some one for yelling at his wife for being parked in a handicap parking spot. The guy pulled out a gun and blew him away. I'm not saying that was right, but it sounds like you are constantly looking for a fight. Someday you will meet your match. Remember, live by the sword, die by the sword.

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Moses replies: My friend Tater has been banned from that website. But here is his response.

I can't speak for Moses. But the Tater can't get something out of his head. Maybe you can help. One night I was sitting in the sportsbook. This elderly gent was drunk and flashing his cash. These two punks befriended him. I knew they were going to rob him. I think I told myself he shouldn't have been flashing his cash in the first place.

Now, I could've easily wiped out those two punks. Moses would have IMO. But I went on about my own business. What I didn't know until the next day was they were going to beat him to a pulp. So you tell me Midwest Player. How do I GET THAT OUT OF MY HEAD?

You have not only threatened KJ, but also Norm

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Moses replies; As for Norm? He banned Tater and my lady friend for being my socks. There were causing no trouble whatsoever. Tater told a couple of jokes. My lady has met some of the APs. She was in between jobs at the time so it gave her something to do. Flash, typically started bullying them like he does all newbies.

Yes. I emailed Norm to question why they were banned and not Flash. BTW, those posts and threads were deleted by Norm I also went on to say I'd read some of the vile stuff KJ and others had written about him on other forums. I called direct. The only time in 5 years. Flash was gathering email info of other posters and sending them as a blanket. So I knew how to reach everyone and so did they. I wanted to know how he got that personal information.

Norm was very defensive. He spoke to this child molestation post that someone else had written many times. I cut him short because I didn't believe the accusation was true and it wasn't the purpose of my call. He hung up 3 times and then started with the condescending remarks like "you're sad, very sad." I simply stated that if we were face to face he would not be calling me sad and probably be cleaning the crap running down the back of his leg if he did. So I suppose that's a threat?

Midwest Player, what's up? You sign up for this forum, make 4 posts and then go away?

You ask me a question on a website where I can't answer and you know it. Why didn't you post the same question here where you knew I could answer? Are you afraid of these guys because they are not part of your group?

FWIW, IMO this a great forum with a great bunch of guys. They keep it real.

Your little groupie guys can sound "really good." It's just nothing is real.

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Strawberry Fields forever.

Since Midwest Player has an opinion on how the world is suppose to work. Consider this scenario. I live in the entitlement capital of the world. So someone having their handout is a daily routine, if not more.

Anyway, I'm walking out the grocery store, an elderly guy walks up to give his hard luck story will I'm standing holding groceries. Long story short, he shows me his ID, claims he his not a homeless person, and shows me a wristband to prove he was in the hospital. Anyway, I said "jump in, I will drive you down to the bus station, buy you a ticket home, and you can send me a check. (I wasn't counting on it.) Now, he's got excuses, his bag is at a ladies apartment, she get home until late etc.etc. So he needs $21. I gave him $5 so he'd STFU and I could get my melting items home.

I would have rather spent $50 on a bus ticket than throw away $5 on his bullshit. Comments?

Yeah, I have a comment.

I wouldn't give him or any other beggar a dime.

"I don't know you, I don't give a flying fuck about you, so why should I give you money?"

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Since Midwest Player has an opinion on how the world is suppose to work. Consider this scenario. I live in the entitlement capital of the world. So someone having their handout is a daily routine, if not more.

Anyway, I'm walking out the grocery store, an elderly guy walks up to give his hard luck story will I'm standing holding groceries. Long story short, he shows me his ID, claims he his not a homeless person, and shows me a wristband to prove he was in the hospital. Anyway, I said "jump in, I will drive you down to the bus station, buy you a ticket home, and you can send me a check. (I wasn't counting on it.) Now, he's got excuses, his bag is at a ladies apartment, she get home until late etc.etc. So he needs $21. I gave him $5 so he'd STFU and I could get my melting items home.

I would have rather spent $50 on a bus ticket than throw away $5 on his bullshit. Comments?

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There's always a flow chart that gets followed depending on the answers you give. I was walking to the casino the other day and a millennial age hustler (also on foot) asks "are you going to the casino ?" I say yes. The next item on the flow chart based on that response was "Do you have a phone ?" I say (the truth) "not on me". So the "no" on having a phone on my person gets to the part of the flow chart where I am asked "Know anyone that needs a phone?", to which I said (the truth) "No". Then he mumbles something about being broke and needing $5, but I slowed my pace and ignored him. He mumbled something else which I didn't here and then he was off.

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Since Midwest Player has an opinion on how the world is suppose to work. Consider this scenario. I live in the entitlement capital of the world. So someone having their handout is a daily routine, if not more.

Anyway, I'm walking out the grocery store, an elderly guy walks up to give his hard luck story will I'm standing holding groceries. Long story short, he shows me his ID, claims he his not a homeless person, and shows me a wristband to prove he was in the hospital. Anyway, I said "jump in, I will drive you down to the bus station, buy you a ticket home, and you can send me a check. (I wasn't counting on it.) Now, he's got excuses, his bag is at a ladies apartment, she get home until late etc.etc. So he needs $21. I gave him $5 so he'd STFU and I could get my melting items home.

I would have rather spent $50 on a bus ticket than throw away $5 on his bullshit. Comments?

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There's always a flow chart that gets followed depending on the answers you give. I was walking to the casino the other day and a millennial age hustler (also on foot) asks "are you going to the casino ?" I say yes. The next item on the flow chart based on that response was "Do you have a phone ?" I say (the truth) "not on me". So the "no" on having a phone on my person gets to the part of the flow chart where I am asked "Know anyone that needs a phone?", to which I said (the truth) "No". Then he mumbles something about being broke and needing $5, but I slowed my pace and ignored him. He mumbled something else which I didn't here and then he was off.

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Just 20 minutes ago, had a disgusting, fat woman ask me and a few others in a casino if I was interested in buying a cigarette. I guess gambling is more important than smoking sometimes.

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Since Midwest Player has an opinion on how the world is suppose to work. Consider this scenario. I live in the entitlement capital of the world. So someone having their handout is a daily routine, if not more.

Anyway, I'm walking out the grocery store, an elderly guy walks up to give his hard luck story will I'm standing holding groceries. Long story short, he shows me his ID, claims he his not a homeless person, and shows me a wristband to prove he was in the hospital. Anyway, I said "jump in, I will drive you down to the bus station, buy you a ticket home, and you can send me a check. (I wasn't counting on it.) Now, he's got excuses, his bag is at a ladies apartment, she get home until late etc.etc. So he needs $21. I gave him $5 so he'd STFU and I could get my melting items home.

I would have rather spent $50 on a bus ticket than throw away $5 on his bullshit. Comments?

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There's always a flow chart that gets followed depending on the answers you give. I was walking to the casino the other day and a millennial age hustler (also on foot) asks "are you going to the casino ?" I say yes. The next item on the flow chart based on that response was "Do you have a phone ?" I say (the truth) "not on me". So the "no" on having a phone on my person gets to the part of the flow chart where I am asked "Know anyone that needs a phone?", to which I said (the truth) "No". Then he mumbles something about being broke and needing $5, but I slowed my pace and ignored him. He mumbled something else which I didn't here and then he was off.

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Just 20 minutes ago, had a disgusting, fat woman ask me and a few others in a casino if I was interested in buying a cigarette. I guess gambling is more important than smoking sometimes.

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Yeah, I have a comment.

I wouldn't give him or any other beggar a dime.

"I don't know you, I don't give a flying fuck about you, so why should I give you money?"

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On the flipside. I was sitting in a sportsbook. It's what I do between sessions or at the end of the day to relax.

There was a guy with dark glasses seemingly staring in one direction which was directly at a young lady. She was getting some younger guys fired up at the guy. Then his arm slid off the chair and his head would drop to the side. He looked liked a guy who'd had way too much to drink.

I figured what the hell. So I got him a glass of water and a cup of coffee. I shook his arm a little. There was something about the way he lifted his glasses and looked me in the eye and said "thank you." I knew he hadn't been drinking. Problably got lost when he got of the bus. I ask him if he wanted something to eat. He said "no." Then I ask him how long it had been since he has had something to eat. He said he didn't remember.

So I went to the deli and brought a bread with vegatable beef soup and another water and cup of coffee. He thanked me again and shook my hand this time. Then he sat straight up in his chair, prayed, tucked his napkin in his shirt, and used his silverware to eat like a man. He ate every bite and this seemed to give him energy. We finished he got up, threw away his plate, and napkin etc etc. Then just walked away. I'd like to think maybe I helped someone along life's way.

I hope the guy today doesn't cloud my vision to the next person that really needs a helping hand. If a very fine line IMO.

Thanks to Mr V. I realize now the 2nd guy wasn't begging. I think that is how to tell the difference?

I'm basically a sucker for anything I find comical, especially if it's a relatively cheap laugh.

I'm walking along one of the pathways over the Las Vegas Strip and a few gentlemen are standing by a boombox CD player which is blasting some rap track. They've got it turned up fairly loud, but it's midday on the Strip, so you've got to be reasonably close to it to be able to hear it.

As I approach it, before I'd even really heard any more than perhaps one or two lyrical stanzas, one of the two gentleman approaches me and asks, "Do you like that song?"

Bewildered, I respond, "I don't know, I guess. I haven't really heard much of it. It blended in with everything else until just now."

Anyway, there are so many people out and about that I didn't see any reason to be impolite or to be overly guarded in this scenario. I always keep my wallet in my front pocket, anyway, so I have no real concern about being pickpocketed. Just to be really safe, I put my hand over my pocket and covertly press my wallet to my thigh in case this is that kind of set up...even though I would be far from the best target for that.

After about two minutes the gentleman asks, "So, did you like it?"

I decide to be charitable, "Yeah, it was fine."

Almost as if he didn't hear my response, "You know, I worked with Nelly once or twice back in the day. Opened for Sisqo (I think he said) in a small place in California, you probably don't know it. Anyway, these are all my tracks and you can get yourself this CD for $3.00."

"No thanks, I'm honestly not a huge rap fan."

(Pulling out a permanent marker) "What if I sign it at no charge?"

I bought a $3 autographed rap CD that I would go on to throw away as soon as I was out of sight.

I couldn't help myself. The notion that him signing it would add any value whatsoever to that CD just struck me as so absurdly hilarious that I felt I OWED him $3 for the uproarious laughter that I was working so hard to stifle until out of his earshot. And, I did laugh uproariously, probably the best laugh I had year-to-date. I was still chuckling about it to myself as I tossed that CD in the trash. I've paid more than that to go to places billed as, "Comedy shows," at which I didn't laugh once.

Honestly, I kind of wish I still had the CD, even though I personally know no fewer than five people who can rap considerably better than that two minute sample I heard. None of them are Sisqo or Nelly, though, personages that the guy has apparently rolled with.

Great story M146. I think maybe I ran into that same guy or a similar situation.

During Christmas season every year there is a guy that puts on a tuxedo and plays Christmas carols on his flute or clarinet. No matter how cold or snowing it gets. He is out there everynight. That's the only time of year I ever see the guy. Makes a person wonder. I alway try to drop some change in his hat.

There's some old scamming derelict up here that begs on the roadside, using a variety of different ploys.

Always a cardboard sign, but with a different message.

Sometimes it says he's a disabled vet; sometimes it says he needs rent money.

He's a regular, same spot for a couple years.

The guy has long white hair and beard, so when xmas comes around he puts on a Santa suit and holds a "ho ho ho" cardboard sign at the offramp.

Fucking beggars; ought to round them all up and put them to work on poor farms.

Have they no shame?

Begging in America: christ on a fucking crutch!

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There's some old scamming derelict up here that begs on the roadside, using a variety of different ploys.

Always a cardboard sign, but with a different message.

Sometimes it says he's a disabled vet; sometimes it says he needs rent money.

He's a regular, same spot for a couple years.

The guy has long white hair and beard, so when xmas comes around he puts on a Santa suit and holds a "ho ho ho" cardboard sign at the offramp.

Fucking beggars; ought to round them all up and put them to work on poor farms.

Have they no shame?

Begging in America: christ on a fucking crutch!

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I remember a kind of funny anecdote about 17 years ago. A guy near an overpass who looked like a bummy Jesus held up a sign saying something like,"I am homeless and hungry. Will work for food." The other side said,"The truth is,I just really want a beer." My sister and I had a good laugh at his honesty. :D

Help me see trouble long before it gets here. Then give me the wisdom to know what to do and the courage to do it.

There you go Midwest Player.

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Moses replies: There was a time when I made many contributions to blackjack information. But it's a column count which reduces volatilty and risk while increasing the overall profit in shorter period of time. No one wants to hear it so I stopped talking about it. I remember you would speak of your travels. Folks put you down for it, so you stopped. Correct?

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Moses, I don't talk about my local casinos. I still often do trip reports on distant casinos. I have received remarks from several posters that they enjoy them very much. However, I usually don't post these reports on the free forums. You will find many of my trip reports on the paid section of BJ21.

If I am walking and someone who i dont know from shit wants me to stop.....fuck it...i keep walking without eye contact. I dont know if he is "a gentleman". And if I did stop and give him 3 dollars...I would laugh hysterically as well .....at myself for being an easy mark. But I would have been used to in in a lifetime of being a mark. I probably would own 2-3 timeshares, and have a pending delivery of an envelope of cash from a prince located in nigeria on its way.

As far as the dude that needed some soup. I remeber watching a race in Harrahs reno, and i nodded off, sitting in a chair...and within 3 min security came over and said I couldnt close my eyes. That was fast. But I do understand the rule.

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Moses, I don't talk about my local casinos. I still often do trip reports on distant casinos. I have received remarks from several posters that they enjoy them very much. However, I usually don't post these reports on the free forums. You will find many of my trip reports on the paid section of BJ21.

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Maybe it was polls I was thinking about.

Moses/Tater mentioned over at Vegas Talk he got banned from this site. Tater when are you ever going to learn you can't go around threatening people. It takes a real man to be able to back down and walk away from a situation especially if it is just some silly insult on an internet site.
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Moses relies; Nobody has threatened anyone. Certainly not Tater. The Tater is about twice my size and a big teddy bear. We are about as opposite as you can get. BigJer has met us both and has now been explained several times. I came at KJ really hard on an another website which you don't like. IF you happen to read KJs attacks on Norm, there is no way he should've expected to be welcomed back.

So you like to watch the world go by. No? The other day I come to a stop sign, near my house, and notice a staple gun in the middle of the intersection. I stop, get out, and pick it up. About a mile ahead, I notice a paint truck with the roll up still open. I hauled ass to catch him and got to him just before he entered the exit to get on the freeway. After first, he was pissed off that I pulled him over. Sure, there could've been one helluva fight between us. However, when I handed him his staple gun and showed he'd left his door up. He instantly became very grateful. Can you imagine if he'd entered onto the freeway with tools flying out the back at 65 mph?

I wondered why I was the only one to notice. So IF I would've taken one on the jaw to save lives - then yes, I will take that trade.

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As far as the dude that needed some soup. I remeber watching a race in Harrahs reno, and i nodded off, sitting in a chair...and within 3 min security came over and said I couldnt close my eyes. That was fast. But I do understand the rule.

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Yep, that is usually the norm. But I'd say 30 minutes passed by. We watched a hooker in a negotiation gone bad one night. She stands up and says "hey, if you want this package you're going to have to pay for it." We call that the two minute warning and set our watches. Security showed up at about the 1.45 mark. lol

Heck even manboy is at it again asking for donations for the other site. It seems he has a 750 dollar renewal fee that is coming due. and is asking for 20-50 dollars per donation.

Manboy?

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Heck even manboy is at it again asking for donations for the other site. It seems he has a 750 dollar renewal fee that is coming due. and is asking for 20-50 dollars per donation.

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WTF?

A "renewal fee?"

What does he need to renew?

He sold the site; you'd think the new owners would need to pay any "renewal fee."

its for that other site..the one that is non gambling

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Heck even manboy is at it again asking for donations for the other site. It seems he has a 750 dollar renewal fee that is coming due. and is asking for 20-50 dollars per donation.

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http://diversitytomorrow.com/thread/2716/0/

Just another Millionaire who begs for money on the street.
Actually asking strangers would be more respectable but this asshole asks his own people who know he has plenty of money.
And they give it to him!!
The Hypocrisy is strong with this Wizard!
He has enough money to hang out with a bunch of Witches at the Burning Man though.

Interesting note is that Miss V said that people like this in Oregon should be hit in the head with a baseball bat.
Somehow those hustlers are bad... The Hustling Wizard is Good.

No big deal.

https://www.gofundme.com/r83t9v-miller-family-support

Bode Miller raised $31,806 after losing his baby girl so far.
Needless to say Bode Miller has over 7 million.
So if you want to give you can give to both hustlers and the links are provided for your convenience.
Ask them for a receipt so you can get a tax break.

Oh... right... #donthustlepeople... #hustlemachinesonly

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What's wrong with getting stupid suckers to pay your bills?

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What's wrong with getting stupid suckers to pay your bills?

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I am all for it if you don't preach/teach against such behavior.

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What's wrong with getting stupid suckers to pay your bills?

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I am all for it if you don't preach/teach against such behavior.

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http://diversitytomorrow.com/thread/2716/0/

Why does the Asshole... I mean Wizard of Odds have to make a poll on his thread that says you either are...

1. Happy to Chip In

2. I am too Selfish to Chip In

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http://diversitytomorrow.com/thread/2716/0/

Why does the Asshole... I mean Wizard of Odds have to make a poll on his thread that says you either are...

1. Happy to Chip In

2. I am too Selfish to Chip In

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I suppose he could easily just charge a small subscription fee.

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Great story M146. I think maybe I ran into that same guy or a similar situation.

During Christmas season every year there is a guy that puts on a tuxedo and plays Christmas carols on his flute or clarinet. No matter how cold or snowing it gets. He is out there everynight. That's the only time of year I ever see the guy. Makes a person wonder. I alway try to drop some change in his hat.

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Thanks for the compliment!

Where does the Christmas Carol guy hang out? Is he any good?

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Great story M146. I think maybe I ran into that same guy or a similar situation.

During Christmas season every year there is a guy that puts on a tuxedo and plays Christmas carols on his flute or clarinet. No matter how cold or snowing it gets. He is out there everynight. That's the only time of year I ever see the guy. Makes a person wonder. I alway try to drop some change in his hat.

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Thanks for the compliment!

Where does the Christmas Carol guy hang out? Is he any good?

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The Biggest Little City sign. A happening place where folks from all walks of life come together. He isn't bad. It's likeh is own way to give back during that time of year.

Now the other guy in overalls without a shirt shaking a large cain, hollering "have you found Jesus" has guts. Man, does catch some shit.

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It seems he has plenty of money but needs 750 dollars from his brainwashed followers...

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/las-...ng-man-2018/2/

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The ticket was around $1,000. However, my share of the RV cost will be the main expense. Every RV rental place within 1,000 miles of BM jacks up their prices for that week. The rental place is also delivering it to BM, which can't be cheap. I'm just one person in eight, and hopefully my share will be less, because I don't get sleeping privileges. Then there is the expense of food, water, beverages, and what not. Fortunately, I already have most of the clothing and comfort stuff that is required. Eventually, after the dust settles, I'll get asked to pay up whatever they feel is my share. Once I get that figure, I'll let you know.

I am thankful that others have organized all the logistics and I'm riding their coattails.

About the lottery process, I never entered, so don't know that much about it. I'm sure other sites go into that in detail. I fear we got our tickets on the scalper market, which will be all the more I have to pay.

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Michael Shackleford.

didn't he sell his sites for 7 figures? how the hell is a millionaire begging for $$$

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didn't he sell his sites for 7 figures? how the hell is a millionaire begging for $$$

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Ever watch undercover video of "homeless" people that beg for money on street corners? Some are pretty well off. As I said, what's wrong getting suckers to pay your bills?

It's an advantage play.

Lots of sites are, "Pay to play," with the, "Pay," not even being optional. It seems like he is soliciting donations that the members can choose to either make or not make.

Guys with money are just supposed to always use it for the benefit of others and never ask people to chip in on any good or service?

Again, I thought I was supposed to be the Liberal, here.

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http://diversitytomorrow.com/thread/2716/0/

Why does the Asshole... I mean Wizard of Odds have to make a poll on his thread that says you either are...

1. Happy to Chip In

2. I am too Selfish to Chip In

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I'm not sure either Monet. We might consider creating a VCT poll with each poll choice consisting of a reason why he might have chosen to create that poll Monet ;-) We have a creative lot on this forum and I'm sure there would be some colorful entries on the VCT poll should it be created (kind of like a caption contest I guess).

Cheers, tp.

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Lots of sites are, "Pay to play," with the, "Pay," not even being optional. It seems like he is soliciting donations that the members can choose to either make or not make.

Guys with money are just supposed to always use it for the benefit of others and never ask people to chip in on any good or service?

Again, I thought I was supposed to be the Liberal, here.

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You are the Liberal. After reading many of your posts I believe you are far more Liberal than you believe.
However that isn't the point to this topic or disagreement.

Many pools are public and they charge a couple dollars UPFRONT to use them daily.
You have pools that are private and you have to pay dues UPFRONT to use them.
You have other pools that are in a private club and you have to be invited to even think about being able to be a member to use the pool.

Now the Wizards Pool is like a Pool in his backyard and he invites anyone to use it for free.
The Wizard has plenty of resources and constantly shows off that he has enough money for the rest of his life.
The Wizard constantly rebukes people who ask for money.
After enjoying the Wizards Pool every so often he begs for donations to pay the water bill.

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Whatever... I don't even know what my point is with the analogy. I should just delete it but I know I have a point.

My problem is that this guy constantly preaches and teaches certain things but constantly doesn't practice what he preaches and expects that nobody notices or will call him out on it. If you want it to be private or pay to play than make it that way. Why does he have to be so damn sneaky about it. If it was someone who wasn't so highly against being sneaky I wouldn't have a problem with it but this guy is constantly preaching about morals and not being sneaky and rebuking anyone that is sneaky.

Not only that but he has to humiliate the members who don't want to donate.
He humiliates them in a poll or directly on the thread.

Am I wrong here... doesn't it look bad when Millionaires beg for pennies and are supposed to be some sort of friend to all?

I put up the Bode Miller example. You have a very well to do public figure causing the death of his daughter. Some people call what happened negligence and feel they should be prosecuted. It wasn't long after the death that one of his people put up a GoFundMe page and after the backlash he allowed it to stay up and said they are going to donate the proceeds.

Mission146 had lunch with WoN and that looks bad and is paying in some sort of way with guilt by association.
Bode Miller is paying the same way with the public no matter if he is right or wrong.
The Wizard isn't exempt from such public actions.

Why on Earth would you donate money to the site with the same people as the WoV site?
You can just let that site die and go over to WoV.
Just make it Pay to Play and be upfront about it.
He looks like a real worm the way he begs on his sites.
I know because I am a real worm.

What all these barrings have done is let me know about some other bj forums I would have never known about. I had never heard of zen zone or Vegas talk before. There’s some interesting stuff over there, but some of it is really out there.

I do miss Moses, Mose’s friend Tater, and the third person who sometimes used Tater’s handle. They have a unique sense of humor that makes these sites fun. I wish Moses and his friends could hold off on the threats so they could come back on these forums. I also really liked all Mose’s video posts on sports stuff. I don’t think Tater was as much into sports stuff.

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Moses replies: Thanks BJ032. But you'll have to be more specific regarding the threats. I read the thread in question. Tater merely used KJ's words back against him without the STFU and Fucking idiot terms. I do not see that Tater threatened him in the least.

Now I put the wood to KJ good on this site and another. KJ said he was copying those posts and turning them over to the moderator. Another pussified move. KJ has not uttered a peep since.

There is a group that reads the forum. So, of course they are going to sound alike. But KJ should be more worried about the lurkers who have said nothing than his perception of Tater saying something.

BTW Midwest Player. If it were my kids in harms way like the ones I mentioned in the OP. Then I would hope Monet, LarryS, MickeyCrimm, Mr V. Coach Bella, or Rob Singer are nearby. Say what you want, but I'll bet those guys wouldn't watch or walk away from someone in harms way that couldn't defend themelves or was at a disadvantage.

Probably not, as I understand humans are essentially hard-wired to intercede in such a situation; like the guy who saw a little boy fall into a river and then immediately jumped in to rescue the kid.

The guy drowned, the kid survived.

Instinct.

Well, it helps if u knpw how to swim. The guy doing the horizontal booze waltz? Not much hope when he starts flopping like a fish.

Midwest Player. Colorado is my old stomping grounds. No, touring in the winter months in a car is probably not the best idea. But, if you're bound and determined to go without renting a car to save money? Consider renting a car and staying in nearby Idaho Springs to save money on motel rooms. I would think the rates would be cheap in the winter. My mom ran the 6 & 40 Motel back in the day and we'd have days with no guests in the winter. Kings Derby is a nice place to eat with that small town atmosphere. I played ball with the owner who probably inherited or bought it from his folks. He also built a motel adjacent to the restaurant. One of the best pure shooter's I'd ever seen.

Beau Jeau's pizza was our hangout on main street. I believe it is still on main and now he has a string of places throughout Colorado. IMO the best pizza you'll ever eat.

Simply stay on i70. But going through Denver during rush hour will be difficult. There is (or used to be) the old 6/40 hwy that connected to Central City long before it was called Blackhawk. If you want to see Pikes Peak without driving, there is a train that goes to the top and back down out of Colorado Springs. Some friends of mine went on the tour recently and said it wasn't very expensive.

If you happen to make it to Hudson and eat at the Pepper Pod, don't believe those stories about the Buffalo heads on the wall. Pretty sure the old owner had them grazing out back and they became menu items. Ask for Bill and tell him Moses said to take good care of you. He married a girl from my class and we worked at the gas station which is now a liquor store. Tell him you need some old tractor tires that need fixing. He'll know what you mean. lol

Midwest Player: Just a suggestion. Stop making every new thread sound like your taking a poll or asking a question. Clearly, you like to instigate and your questions make you sound like a dumbass. For instance, this thread about Colorado, you could have said here is what I'm doing. The costs of rooms in Blackhawk seem very high and renting a car is more expensive than normal. Has anyone who has made this trip found a better way to reduce expenses? Then, list your train idea.

Thus you avoid ridicule from 21forme, the overbearing NYC smart ass who probably has never even been to Colorado. Hell, everyone knows Colorado is cold and treacherous driving conditions in the winter. That's why skiers like it.

Nothing wrong with $100 max. Just have to realize you are playing low limits and wins will be smaller, but also losses. The last time I played Deadwood max bet was $5. Should be able to hit the $10,000 mark in a year if you can get 300 hours of playing time.

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Moses replies: How do you come up with this figure? What is your basis? I mean other than armchair - thin air. Bosox, in the words of Jim Garrison, ask the question. Ask the question!

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Nothing wrong with $100 max. Just have to realize you are playing low limits and wins will be smaller, but also losses. The last time I played Deadwood max bet was $5. Should be able to hit the $10,000 mark in a year if you can get 300 hours of playing time.

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Moses replies: How do you come up with this figure? What is your basis? I mean other than armchair - thin air. Bosox, in the words of Jim Garrison, ask the question. Ask the question!

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Because I have done it. In fact, I've done it in under 200 hours, and have done it two years in a row. I said many times I'm basically a red chip player and most of my bets are under $100. However, to be fair on a few occasions I've bet more than $100. Biggest bet in my life was two hands at $200 each.

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Nothing wrong with $100 max. Just have to realize you are playing low limits and wins will be smaller, but also losses. The last time I played Deadwood max bet was $5. Should be able to hit the $10,000 mark in a year if you can get 300 hours of playing time.

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Moses replies: How do you come up with this figure? What is your basis? I mean other than armchair - thin air. Bosox, in the words of Jim Garrison, ask the question. Ask the question!

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Because I have done it. In fact, I've done it in under 200 hours, and have done it two years in a row. I said many times I'm basically a red chip player and most of my bets are under $100. However, to be fair on a few occasions I've bet more than $100. Biggest bet in my life was two hands at $200 each.

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Big difference between doing it and done it. No? Assuming you get 100 hands per hour and 200 hours, you've made $.50 a hand or $50 an hour for two straight years with a Level 1 count in a pitch game. Not heads up?

There is a lot of unsaid territory. Number of players at the table. Average hands per hour. Bet spread $5 to $100 in Double Deck? Not likely. I once went $5 to $75 in your town of Wendover in the mid 80s and got my ass kicked...literally and figuratively. If your spread is 8 to 1 you've got to be getting at least 6% max bet opportunities per hour. Not easy without getting heat. A Level One win/loss ratio is 51%-49% in pitch at an insurance TC. Are you side counting for insurance. If not, it drops even more. Still, $10 to $80 spread wouldn't fly in my neighborhood, $5 to $40 might. But that isn't going to get you to $10k in 200 hours with expenses. Not to mention the dreaded downturns with a Level 1 and multiple players at the table.

300 hours of DD blackjack in Deadwood sounds like a stretch. I assume it's smaller than Wendover? I'd be surprised if 100 hands an hour is doable, but if so that's 30K hands. But $.33 a hand is more in line than Zee's $80 an hour claim while he walks away from strong positive counts in order to preserve his quota.

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Assuming you get 100 hands per hour and 200 hours, you've made $.50 a hand or $50 an hour for two straight years with a Level 1 count in a pitch game. Not heads up?

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Never said it was a Level 1 count. Maybe half of the time heads up. Some of the time at full table.

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Bet spread $5 to $100 in Double Deck? Not likely. .

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Depends on the tolerance of the place. I've done it many times. In fact, I already spread $5 to $200 on DD.

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300 hours of DD blackjack in Deadwood sounds like a stretch.

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I have no idea what the tolerance is like in Deadwood. I've only been there once in my life. However, I just checked CBJN and pen on some DD games is .8 which is better than the one deck cut off that I usually find. Another big unknown is whether you can spread to two hands mid shoe.

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Depends on the tolerance of the place. I've done it many times. In fact, I already spread $5 to $200 on DD..

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Who were in the pit? Gomer and Aunt Bee?

$200? You rent 5 cars on just one bet and have unlimited miles. :cool: