Just thought I'd let you guys know. Shout out to all my doubters.
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Just thought I'd let you guys know. Shout out to all my doubters.
Sup. I was walking through a casino the other night to grab some food and I was like wtf is that ZK? I almost wonged into your shoe that night. :) Obv I wasn’t going to, but considered it for the lulz.
I tried to message you but it said you weren’t part of that group anymore. :(
Lol which one was it? Or do you not want to mention it, which is fine. I think I know which one it might have been.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
Yeah I left the discord after my rant. Oh well.
Not gonna name it (neither should you) but it was near the super bowl party location. Hope you killed them for a lot. Pun intended.
That's what I figured. Yeah I won, but nothing crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
Hi, Zenking! :D It's good to her from you! :D
Someone catch me up on the wov version of ZK,
i can already tell he loves attention, I mean with the name "king" and a "look at me I have arrived" THREAD, I can gather that much so far.
we already have one resident" look at me" artist in Alan......we temporarily lost one with KJ......so its cool to get a replacement
WoV West lol
I am not going to break down the WoV version of ZK but you should read his
Moving out to Play and D Day in Vegas Threads to start...
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb...g-out-to-play/
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb...-day-in-vegas/
He finally moved out of his parent's home on the east coast in or near NJ and headed to sin city to seek his fame and fortune; he brought a $50K bankroll and a way too cocky attitude with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryS
The guy has stated more than once that he considers himself the greatest card counter in the world, or words to that effect: he and hubris are strangers.
Never one not to praise himself or his card counting abilities he quickly polarized the WoV crowd: people either love or hate him.
Very opinionated, vocal, headstrong and emotional: in other words perfect fodder.
He has a soft spot for conspiracy theories, especially involving Chinese cards and cheating casinos.
AP's love him, as he comes off like their goofy little brother; those who have met him say he is nothing like his gambling board personae, but I suspect they aren't a particularly good judge of character.
LarryS., ZK would be a great fuck doll for you if he decides to hang around.
It would be nice to get some sort of rivalry thing going between WoV West vs. WoV.
Something like Missions Football Picks Game where it is LVCT vs. WOV.
We need WoV to ban more members and send them over here to WoV West.
The kid has guts. As for best counter in the world? That's the attutude you want when your hindparts hit the leather chair. HE is not a recruiter. But he is a competitor. Thus he can be hard on himself at times.
there are 2 trains of thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVHe finally moved out of his parent's home on the east coast in or near NJ and headed to sin city to seek his fame and fortune; he brought a $50K bankroll and a way too cocky attitude with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryS
The guy has stated more than once that he considers himself the greatest card counter in the world, or words to that effect: he and hubris are strangers.
Never one not to praise himself or his card counting abilities he quickly polarized the WoV crowd: people either love or hate him.
Very opinionated, vocal, headstrong and emotional: in other words perfect fodder.
He has a soft spot for conspiracy theories, especially involving Chinese cards and cheating casinos.
AP's love him, as he comes off like their goofy little brother; those who have met him say he is nothing like his gambling board personae, but I suspect they aren't a particularly good judge of character.
LarryS., ZK would be a great fuck doll for you if he decides to hang around.
1- all you really need is one good fuck doll....ie stanton or alan
2- you can never have enough fuck dolls
I will see. I am not looking for a fight. Maybe he will calm down from his egocentric start. I am not familiar with him from WOV so I have no history with him or about him.
It usually takes a while for someones personality to emerge. So far he accelerated the process.
Yeah, maybe I'll start shitting wads of $100 bills. That'd be nice, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryS
LMAO. Great line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Thanks!
If you were able to swallow wads of 100 dollar bills, then you would be able to shit them.
Its possible.
Or if you were abducted and sedated and had your colon cut open and had wads of 100 dollar buills inserted, and then you were closed up. Again you could indeed shit 100 dollar wads.
both of those scenarios are more likely than 18 yos in a row which you felt the need to post on this site was a possible event.
So I too can play that game
Larry, Larry, Larry. Was that you who punked the guy complaining about his free T shirt yesterday? Don't like it? Then go buy one. Lodge your complaint with the casino owner. Classic two lines! lol Then the guy spends the next 20 minutes apologizing.
yeah, the t-shirt said.....I fucked moses
must have been a religious freak
other than that..I have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
Lay off the pipe
Naw, the guy never stops talking. The joke is he borrows $5. Then you lose 15 minutes hearing why he needs it. Then another 15 minutes when he returns it. So we borrow another $5 from someone else and say he'll pay you back.
FYI. I'm in this for the fun and humor which is essential to blackjack and sports bets. Not too big on trading insults. So I'll let that one go on by.;)
who complained about a free t shirt...i have no fucking idea what u are talking about.
Some friggin idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryS
Atlantis was giving away free T-shirts for Hot August Nights. This local idiot was complaining because it didn't have a car on it. A stranger just drilled him with some classic lines. I thought, "man, that sounds like Larry, from VCT coming to life." LOL
Okay, Larry, I know you're a little slower than the rest of the class, so let's start from step one:Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryS
AGREE or DISAGREE:
If a pair of fair dice, each with numbered sides ranging from 1-6, is rolled eighteen times (and stop flatly upon a surface) must there or must there not be a total of eighteen results which can each range from 2-12?
I got lucky, mine's got two cars on it (2017 Atlantis HON shirt).Quote:
Originally Posted by MosesSome friggin idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryS
Atlantis was giving away free T-shirts for Hot August Nights. This local idiot was complaining because it didn't have a car on it. A stranger just drilled him with some classic lines. I thought, "man, that sounds like Larry, from VCT coming to life." LOL
I will have to get back to you on that...right now all I can think about is your colon being ripped open, with a wad of 100 dollar bills placed inside, and then seeing you shit out the bills in the form of a wad.
Thats all I have been able to think about for 2 solid hours.
Possibly the place you would do the shitting would be outside a mcdonalds.
That was last year. No? As my friend said, "get the larger sizes. Cuz when you take it home and wash it in hot water it won't cover your nuts." :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
Yes, that was last year's. I got the XL for that exact reason. IIRC, everyday of Hot August Nights was a 5x multiplier day also in 2017 (great buffet IMHO).Quote:
Originally Posted by MosesThat was last year. No? As my friend said, "get the larger sizes. Cuz when you take it home and wash it in hot water it won't cover your nuts." :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
Yes. Same thing this year. Excellent buffet. The land of entitlement though. Funny story, a guy walks up to me while I'm eating in the buffet. Asks for lunch money. HA. Get it?Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moses
i'm leaving court earlier today and a bum comes out from behind a bush, surprising me, and with a toothless, conniving smile asks "Do you have a dollar?"
I look him the eye for a few seconds, a merciless glare, really, then with a cheshire cat smile I say "Yes, I do" and just keep walking.
The fucker was nonplussed.
Pretty brazen. However I have gotten pan-handled multiple times when playing the formerly full pay uprights in the room just east of the gift shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by MosesYes. Same thing this year. Excellent buffet. The land of entitlement though. Funny story, a guy walks up to me while I'm eating in the buffet. Asks for lunch money. HA. Get it?Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
Yep...and the circle bar just beyond the steps heading to the VIP lounge.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
I don't think ZenKing is Nuked, so he can still enter the game if he wants. He can let me know here if he wants to play and just PM me his picks here.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
I might ask Wizard if the banned Members from WoV who post here would be allowed in the game if anyone wants to play. The only difference is banned people would have to escrow the funds for their entries to me only because they would have no incentive to pay if they lose.
If not, then we could always have a VCT Picks Game. I'll host it and the Rules will be the same. People who play in the WoV game and post on both sites could also play in the VCT Picks Game. If it's VCT only, we can decide an Entry Fee and it can be based on honor system.
I will donate less to the VCT Picks Game, maybe just something small for the winner, because I imagine there will be fewer players. I think the WoV game will have 25-30 this year. If we can get up to ten players for the VCT Picks Game, then I will do a small contribution for first place and last place.
I swear 97% of all members on these gambling forums are the cheapest people I know of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146I don't think ZenKing is Nuked, so he can still enter the game if he wants. He can let me know here if he wants to play and just PM me his picks here.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
I might ask Wizard if the banned Members from WoV who post here would be allowed in the game if anyone wants to play. The only difference is banned people would have to escrow the funds for their entries to me only because they would have no incentive to pay if they lose.
If not, then we could always have a VCT Picks Game. I'll host it and the Rules will be the same. People who play in the WoV game and post on both sites could also play in the VCT Picks Game. If it's VCT only, we can decide an Entry Fee and it can be based on honor system.
I will donate less to the VCT Picks Game, maybe just something small for the winner, because I imagine there will be fewer players. I think the WoV game will have 25-30 this year. If we can get up to ten players for the VCT Picks Game, then I will do a small contribution for first place and last place.
I will make a verbal bet with you and put the money in your paypal account if you take this bet which is in your favor.
I will send you 300 dollars for the VCT Picks Game because Hell will Freeze over before you get that Wizard to agree that banned members can play in your WoV game!
300 Dollars is almost half of what that prick is begging for on his Diversity site... Diversity is ironic because I see nothing diverse about how he runs things.
Anyways I put up 300 in your Pay Pal account and you make the rules on how players are paid.
The only catch is... if I win the contest outright or I have the worst record I win double. Meaning I win my money back plus you pay me 300 on top of it, plus I win whatever the placement was for 1st or last.
Ties in placement count for me but I have to play every week meaning if I miss one week I forfeit any chance of winning.
Hilarious. I'm going to use that one...alot. LMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by MisterVQuote:
Originally Posted by Moses
i'm leaving court earlier today and a bum comes out from behind a bush, surprising me, and with a toothless, conniving smile asks "Do you have a dollar?"
I look him the eye for a few seconds, a merciless glare, really, then with a cheshire cat smile I say "Yes, I do" and just keep walking.
The fucker was nonplussed.
Sure it is funny until that one day when the guy jumps out of the bushes and doesn't ask.Quote:
Originally Posted by MosesHilarious. I'm going to use that one...alot. LMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by MisterVQuote:
Originally Posted by Moses
i'm leaving court earlier today and a bum comes out from behind a bush, surprising me, and with a toothless, conniving smile asks "Do you have a dollar?"
I look him the eye for a few seconds, a merciless glare, really, then with a cheshire cat smile I say "Yes, I do" and just keep walking.
The fucker was nonplussed.
I'll match monet's contribution under the same terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Monet; An interesting contrast between a couple of guys that I'll have a beer with and watch a game. One is in his 80s, probably an M followed by some x's a few times. He won't tip. Loves all the free stuff. IF he ever bought something for himself, I'd be shocked, let alone someone else. He could have a fancy lifestyle but lives very conservatively. Personally, I think he's figured a way either to take it with him or not go at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
The other is in his early 50's. Not a nickel to his name. But money comes and goes through his fingers all day long. But he gives it away. He could care less about the free stuff.
Both have a great outlook on life, hilarious, and intelligent in their own way.
Ironic, they are the best of friends. I think there is a life lesson to be learned. But I'll be damned if I can figure it out. :p
That, my friend, is why one keeps their head on a swivel.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
For contributing a non-zero amount of free money to a game I take the time to run?Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Wait a minute, how is that double? That seems like it would be more than double if I make the prizes for first or last more than $0.00.Quote:
I will send you 300 dollars for the VCT Picks Game because Hell will Freeze over before you get that Wizard to agree that banned members can play in your WoV game!
300 Dollars is almost half of what that prick is begging for on his Diversity site... Diversity is ironic because I see nothing diverse about how he runs things.
Anyways I put up 300 in your Pay Pal account and you make the rules on how players are paid.
The only catch is... if I win the contest outright or I have the worst record I win double. Meaning I win my money back plus you pay me 300 on top of it, plus I win whatever the placement was for 1st or last.
Ties in placement count for me but I have to play every week meaning if I miss one week I forfeit any chance of winning.
Anyway, it's just supposed to be a fun little game.
Also, say only five people play and I make the prize all $300 for first place:
Monet: First Place = $600 Last Place = $300 (of my money) No Place = $0
(1/5 * 600) + (1/5 * (300) - (3/5 * 300) = 0
Therefore, that's a $0 expectation for you with five players. It's a losing proposition for me, though, because here's what could happen, I could either win:
(300 * 1/5) = $60
I could lose and you come in last place:
(4/5) - (1/4 * 300) = -$74.20
I could lose and you come in first place:
(4/5) - (1/4 * 600) = -$149.20
Or, I could lose and you do not place:
(4/5) * (2/4 * 0) = 0
Therefore, my overall personal expectation is $60 - $223.40 = -$163.40
Do you think I'm stupid? You have a $0 expectation and my expectation is to lose more than I'm even donating to the WoV pool?
Adding more players would change my expectation, but all it would do is make it more negative. The reason why is because I can only win the $300 if I contribute it all to one prize and win that prize outright. Other than that, I can only break even or lose.
Set it up better or more fair for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146For contributing a non-zero amount of free money to a game I take the time to run?Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Wait a minute, how is that double? That seems like it would be more than double if I make the prizes for first or last more than $0.00.Quote:
I will send you 300 dollars for the VCT Picks Game because Hell will Freeze over before you get that Wizard to agree that banned members can play in your WoV game!
300 Dollars is almost half of what that prick is begging for on his Diversity site... Diversity is ironic because I see nothing diverse about how he runs things.
Anyways I put up 300 in your Pay Pal account and you make the rules on how players are paid.
The only catch is... if I win the contest outright or I have the worst record I win double. Meaning I win my money back plus you pay me 300 on top of it, plus I win whatever the placement was for 1st or last.
Ties in placement count for me but I have to play every week meaning if I miss one week I forfeit any chance of winning.
Anyway, it's just supposed to be a fun little game.
Also, say only five people play and I make the prize all $300 for first place:
Monet: First Place = $600 Last Place = $300 (of my money) No Place = $0
(1/5 * 600) + (1/5 * 300) - (3/5 * 300) = $0.00
Therefore, that's an Even Money proposition for you with five players. It's a losing proposition for me, though, because here's what could happen, I could either win:
(300 * 1/5) = $60
I could lose and you come in last place:
(4/5) - (1/4 * 300) = -$74.20
I could lose and you come in first place:
(4/5) - (1/4 * 600) = -$149.20
Or, I could lose and you do not place:
(4/5) * (2/4 * 0) = 0
Therefore, my overall personal expectation is $60 - $223.40 = $163.40
Do you think I'm stupid? You have a break even expectation and my expectation is to lose more than I'm even donating to the WoV pool?
Adding more players would change my expectation, but all it would do is make it more negative. The reason why is because I can only win the $300 if I contribute it all to one prize and win that prize outright. Other than that, I can only break even or lose.
Make a minimum number of players.
Make it so that if you win or get last place than I double up.
You are the man with the big IQ... make it so you have a slight edge and I will pony up/up front.
You forget that I am giving up the money first and technically you could just run away :)
You get all the glory of running this thing and having your name on it... you love that.
Don't worry about it, Monet.
If I decide to do a VCT game, then I'll be contributing the seed prizes and we can do an entry fee if people want to.
I don't want any of your money, even in the context of a bet. You can run your own game if you want to. If you offered me $300 to start the VCT game up with no qualifiers associated with doing so, I'd still tell you to fuck yourself.
You can play in the game here if I do one, though.
A good day. made $440 at the table. Free buffet. Learned two new words douchenozzle and nonplussed. what a riot! Brace yourself Effie. Im comin home. Going for the ha-hat trick.
a few things about the homelessQuote:
Originally Posted by MisterVQuote:
Originally Posted by Moses
i'm leaving court earlier today and a bum comes out from behind a bush, surprising me, and with a toothless, conniving smile asks "Do you have a dollar?"
I look him the eye for a few seconds, a merciless glare, really, then with a cheshire cat smile I say "Yes, I do" and just keep walking.
The fucker was nonplussed.
they are sometimes mentally ill
they are sometimes on drugs or alc
they are often sleep deprived
they have nothing to lose
which means if that man chose to do so..he could have run at you from behind put a knife inyour back and received shelter and 3 meals a day.
I just keep walking like I own the town, no eye contact, showing no fear and not looking to engage in any way.
That's pretty much what I do, when walking through bad neighborhoods.Quote:
I just keep walking like I own the town, no eye contact, showing no fear and not looking to engage in any way.
I do try to keep a frustrated/pissed off look on my face, as it makes me less approachable, and also gives the impression that I'll be less likely to intimidate.
I deleted 7 troll messages here.
Any further troll messages in this thread will result in both the messages deleted and a ban from the thread.
Dan Druff,
Would you play in a NFL Picks Game similar to the WoV game if I put one together?
I'm thinking about it, but only if there will be at least ten players.
Define "troll messages."Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
You deleted my response to an insult.
What, I should sit idly by and take it when some fool flips me shit?
Mission don't be Dumb, there wouldn't be more that 6 people here Interested.
You would be better off inviting people like Dan to partissipate at WOV.
!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Is Dan in good standing on WoV?
LarryS. spot on post 42. Dan. Good advice on pot 43. I hadn't thought of that. Truth is it's running a bit rampant now. In adition to in the street and parking lots, it's in the stores, casinos, and parking garages.
Some of the problem is those, that are begging, receive benefits, and are making more than those that work for a living. Pretty soon the workforce will be holding the signs.
For instance, the church does a shoe drive. The owner of the shoe store is like "what did I ever do to you"?:confused:
Oh no! Mission has been warned and told he is not allowed to play with the Evil Group of people!Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
It is pretty bad when you can't make your own decisions.
Can you try to spell participate correctly? Too much Captain in you?
That has nothing to do with it.
1.) We probably couldn't get ten people.
2.) I assume I would have to let anyone from this site who wanted to play do so.
3.) I don't have any interest in betting you. I also don't have any interest in putting up $300 as a donation to the pool.
4.) Trying to do something fun here that some people would like is probably a waste of my time because every third post would be LarryS going on a diatribe about some make believe problem he would have with it. The sad part is he would probably also be playing at the same time.
Depressing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
I thought you and I had returned to some sort of civility.
I was in negotiations with you about funding a VCT Picks Game.
I was willing to fund the prize pool upfront.
I was willing to make a side bet with you and allow you to gain a small edge through the math.
You clearly do not understand how big of an advantage it is for me to stipulate I have to play every week because that is no easy feat for me.
I most likely would never make it no matter what. I blow off bigger things every week.
I am not very good at Sports Betting or Contests in General... very bad at it actually.
Even after all the Bullshit I am still willing to fund the game.
I would be willing to send you 500 dollars upfront with no stipulations.
I know... not worth your time and I can go Fuck Off!
We're at a point of civility, I just don't want your money.
If you would like to forward the $500 to Dan Druff, then I would be happy to manage the game. You decide how much of the $500 should go to each place once we know how many participants we have. I'm not going to play, though. The way I have always done the WoV Picks Game, I can play to, "Defend," any of the prizes that I put into the game, but it is impossible for me to win anybody else's money.
Even more depressing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
1. I have to send the money to Dan Druff.
2. Mission146 will not participate in the game with us.
I would rather just Fuck Off with those two demands.
Well, we're still at a point of civility, as far as I'm concerned. We're just not going to reach an agreement on this matter.
I just want everyone to realize you can't even just give money away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
I offer up a free 500 dollars to the prize pool of a game where anyone who is a member on this site can play and have a chance at.
I would send the money to Mission in any form that he chose if it was possible for me. (To Mission146 though not another party member)
I just want Mission to play along. Not hard to copy and paste his WoV picks.
It isn't like he is going to cheat us in a game where we only have 10 participants.
You see that isn't good enough. Free Money. No Strings attached and they still want more.
Oddly enough every time I give the guy who jumps out of the bushes at me money he has never refused.
These guys just can't believe I give money away like it grows on trees.
I give away comp and pay the tips all the time but these guys think there has to be an angle or some sort of catch!
Let the record show that every time I have given away Free items, including Cash, to these Internet Forum Members I have never contacted them again for some sort of quid pro quo.
I don't want more. I want $0 from you. How is that more?
You also tried:
But, then, simple arithmetic tells me that's not even close to being in my favor. I just put up the proof for everyone else's benefit, honestly, I read that and immediately knew nothing about it was in my favor.Quote:
if you take this bet which is in your favor.
So, you obviously think I'm a complete fucking moron. Which is fine, we can be civil with you thinking that, but I'm not going to do anything related to a game with you.
One night I gave this guy 250 dollars to his paypal account and everyone in chat couldn't believe it.
The guy used to stream Civilization 6 on Twitch.
Sometimes I just get in a charitable mood and I was enjoying his information and entertainment provided and I enjoyed helping his cause.
Of course I think his cause was to play Video Games all day and night but still his cause.
No... I am not a math genius like you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
As soon as you said that the math didn't add up I did not hesitate to change it around and let you make the rules in your favor according to the math.
I wouldn't even of checked your math... I would of just agreed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
I went back and checked...
I took a whole TWO MINUTES to change it up and let you make the rules after you posted the Math.
The posts were 3:33 and my response was 3:35
Post Numbers 38/39
A guy willing to negotiate Free Prize Money isn't good enough for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
You want to stipulate that I have to get Dan Druff involved in our business and you won't even play the game with all of us.
That is More!
Not the definition of, "More," that I would usually use. Okay, I'll modify my terms:Quote:
Originally Posted by monetA guy willing to negotiate Free Prize Money isn't good enough for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
You want to stipulate that I have to get Dan Druff involved in our business and you won't even play the game with all of us.
That is More!
I will not play the game if you make any donation whatsoever regardless of who holds it.
Is that still more?
You and I realize we are both done here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146Not the definition of, "More," that I would usually use. Okay, I'll modify my terms:Quote:
Originally Posted by monetA guy willing to negotiate Free Prize Money isn't good enough for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
You want to stipulate that I have to get Dan Druff involved in our business and you won't even play the game with all of us.
That is More!
I will not play the game if you make any donation whatsoever regardless of who holds it.
Is that still more?
I know you just want the last word and you think you are right and I am wrong and you just want to prove that.
However, I think you are completely wrong but that is ok... let us just go back to trolling each other.
Why don't you make me a Cupid Profile as well... thanks.
HA!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Because you are either generally or always faithful to your wife, and even if you were inclined not to be, would prefer to engage in extramarital activities in a legal Nevada brothel.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Ergo, you have no use for OKCupid.
Are you saying that I am lying?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146HA!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
The truth is I can't do those equations like you and Mickey.
I don't even understand them.
I just know when a Progressive gets to a certain amount it is exploitable.
I do have a strong memory but not what I would consider photographic.
I wouldn't even know or care where to begin.
My whole game is from volume and experience and handed down from word of mouth or being observant.
I suppose I am good at exploitation as well.
I have never stepped foot in a Legal Brothel anywhere in this world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146Because you are either generally or always faithful to your wife, and even if you were inclined not to be, would prefer to engage in extramarital activities in a legal Nevada brothel.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Ergo, you have no use for OKCupid.
If I did, I certainly wouldn't be going in for the tour, ONLY, like Dan Druff.
Supposedly there was some old dollar coin machines in one that was full pay or overpaying.
I never got to participate.
I never said you did. Wasn't it you who made the point that is a better way to do something extramarital as opposed to having sex with the neighbor, or your wife's sister or whatever? I don't think you said you actually ever did it, you just said that was the way without any drama. Unless I'm confusing you with someone else.
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Originally Posted by monet
Just because I can lie or exploit doesn't mean I understand mathematical equations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Guys like me tried to read “Theory of Games and Economic Behavior” but the truth is that it is above people like me.
Street Guys don't have the patience for all that theory and those charts. We are more about Action.
Well you have to check a couple of posts and threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
I stated that I was not like every member on these boards that say they never paid for it.
I have paid for it many times over.
I found it strange that nobody else on these boards have or couldn't admit that they had.
I also made the point several times that if an individual is going to cheat it is better for that person to go "pay for it" because if you cheat on your wife with some friend, relative or neighbor or even stranger at a bar or online you are most likely going to get caught and it is going to cause you more money and headaches compared to just going to some call girl or massage parlor.
You made a decent rebuttal about less chance of catching a disease and spreading it around but I am not convinced that it would be better to be playing around with your wife's sister or neighbors wife compared to going to a Hooker.
HA!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
My point about not, "Wanting more," is I don't know how you could say I want more when, by taking myself out of the game, I can't get any of your money to begin with.
To be perfectly honest, I don't know what your angle is. I can think of at least two possibilities and not only do I not want your money, but I don't want to have to list and agree to every single contingency that would make what I think your angles could be (not saying are) impossible, so that we have to agree to every single contingency one by one.
If you send the money to Dan Druff, then I have nothing to worry about.
But, you're determined that you must send the money to me. Has to be a reason for that.
Okay, had my facts a little mixed up on the hooker thing, sorry. I had the right general idea, just the wrong specifics.Quote:
Well you have to check a couple of posts and threads.
I stated that I was not like every member on these boards that say they never paid for it.
I have paid for it many times over.
I found it strange that nobody else on these boards have or couldn't admit that they had.
I also made the point several times that if an individual is going to cheat it is better for that person to go "pay for it" because if you cheat on your wife with some friend, relative or neighbor or even stranger at a bar or online you are most likely going to get caught and it is going to cause you more money and headaches compared to just going to some call girl or massage parlor.
Yes... because I trust and respect you over Dan Druff who I have no trust for and most any other members.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146HA!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
My point about not, "Wanting more," is I don't know how you could say I want more when, by taking myself out of the game, I can't get any of your money to begin with.
To be perfectly honest, I don't know what your angle is. I can think of at least two possibilities and not only do I not want your money, but I don't want to have to list and agree to every single contingency that would make what I think your angles could be (not saying are) so that we have to agree to every single contingency one by one.
If you send the money to Dan Druff, then I have nothing to worry about.
But, you're determined that you must send the money to me. Has to be a reason for that.
You have been doing this Picks Game thing for a long time so I am not worried about you skating.
The truth is you have to hold the money for a long time and god forbid if you pass away we aren't seeing that money.
You and I have somewhat of a history with football picks games.
I have met 3 people off of the forums that you know of and have not cheated them out of any money or ever contacted them about anything.
As a matter of fact they have profited off of me and I have had 0 profit from them except that Axelwolf told me a place that mail was good that worked for me for a few months.
So I did make some cash off of that meeting but it was information at the tail end and the heat was turned up. Not an easy angle at all but I managed.
Another exception is ZenKing who I have had a few texts back and forth with about posts on WoV or warnings of being careful of teaming up.
You want to think I want to get your banking information or personal information and run wild with it... I understand... whatever.
The truth is your side actually has all of my information and can do me much more harm in the long run if they wanted to.
I don't even care. I am not worried. If someone wants to come to my door and file a complaint I am always ready. I am not hiding. I have had this house for 14 years now solid.
Never missed any payments or been late on any bills. As a matter of fact I pay 6 months to 12 months ahead of time on everything.
I would send you cash through the mail to a PO Box or Western Union to some fake name for you or many, many, many other options that would have no chance of you getting screwed.
Your the guy in the smart 10% of the country... I am sure you can figure many ways of how to get the money to you from me with no liability on either side.
Guys like you and RS just can't believe that I am into many things with no strings or angles attached.
You both have a bad perception of who I really am or have become over time.
Fair enough. Do you trust yourself? If you would like to hold the money related to the contest, then you can decide where the prizes go when we know how many participants we have and then you can send them their money that comes from you at the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
What history? I made some picks for you and never won. I think we would have been in the money one week had one game broke the other way.
None of that is any of my business or concern.Quote:
I have met 3 people off of the forums that you know of and have not cheated them out of any money or ever contacted them about anything.
As a matter of fact they have profited off of me and I have had 0 profit from them except that Axelwolf told me a place that mail was good that worked for me for a few months.
So I did make some cash off of that meeting but it was information at the tail end and the heat was turned up. Not an easy angle at all but I managed.
What would you do with my personal information, get rejected for loans? Least of my concerns.Quote:
You want to think I want to get your banking information or personal information and run wild with it... I understand... whatever.
The truth is your side actually has all of my information and can do me much more harm in the long run if they wanted to.
I don't even care. I am not worried. If someone wants to come to my door and file a complaint I am always ready. I am not hiding. I have had this house for 14 years now solid.
Never missed any payments or been late on any bills. As a matter of fact I pay 6 months to 12 months ahead of time on everything.
I have no desire to have any of your personal information. I also have no desire to have any of your money.
If you wish to donate to a game here, then hold your own money until the game is over. I'll manage and play the game, and if I finish with a prize, I will surrender my prize over to the person closest to me in the ranking for the relevant prize, deal?
No thank you. Just hold your money until it comes time to pay whoever finishes with a prize. Sound good?Quote:
I would send you cash through the mail to a PO Box or Western Union to some fake name for you or many, many, many other options that would have no chance of you getting screwed.
Your the guy in the smart 10% of the country... I am sure you can figure many ways of how to get the money to you from me with no liability on either side.
Guys like you and RS just can't believe that I am into many things with no strings or angles attached.
You both have a bad perception of who I really am or have become over time.
It does sound good except that it puts responsibility and pressure on me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Two things I basically hate.
In the last 15 years all I do is throw money at it... if you understand what I mean.
I don't like having to do the work or be responsible or on the hook so to speak.
If I can get the money over to you I don't have to worry about it if I decide never to participate online for an extended amount of time.
I thought we had some history since we were, at least in my mind, partners for a week or two on my free contests.
If I was wrong and we didn't have some sort of history or connection that is my fault in thinking too much of it... sorry bout that.
You are very good at being responsible compared to me.
I wanted to be more of a silent partner or donor to the cause of the "fun" as you put it.
Do we even have interest? I haven't seen anyone else say they would want to participate?
I really hate having to hold the money and distribute it. I would rather you do that.
I could hold the money and get it to you in Vegas when you visit... you are coming to Vegas soon right?
I could put it in your poker account at the Rio so neither of us have to have contact with one another... I think that can be done.
Just a quick thought... it doesn't have to go down like that.
It was better when you told me to Fuck Off and we were done with this... it is starting too get complicated.
Yup. Too complicated. Doesn’t seem to be any real interest. I’ll let you know what my Vegas dates are if you want to meet up for a few drinks, though. Most likely December the week before Christmas.
I am too much of a Hustler to send you money and you can think of two angles that I am shooting for to screw you over in some way but you have no problem meeting me in person for drinks??Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
Sure, why not? We’ll play a quarter bartop progressive, the drinks will be free and the game +EV. I’m thinking The D.
There might be some other people there depending how the schedule works out, but not if you don’t want there to be. I’m sure I can cut out a few hours. If my ex wife gets her vacation where she wants it, I should be there for four or five days. Not The D for four or five days, Vegas, in general. Not even sure I’d be staying at The D at all.
It could be interesting if this nascent discussion of a private get together were to expand to become the VCT equivalent of WoVCon.
Never happen, of course, but if it did, one can only wonder how things would be were some of the board's more opinionated, vocal members to meet up in the real world?.
As you can read for yourself on these quotes Mission was willing to host and run a VCT Picks Game. He wanted the rules to be the same and was willing to donate less money to the VCT Picks Game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146I don't think ZenKing is Nuked, so he can still enter the game if he wants. He can let me know here if he wants to play and just PM me his picks here.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
I might ask Wizard if the banned Members from WoV who post here would be allowed in the game if anyone wants to play. The only difference is banned people would have to escrow the funds for their entries to me only because they would have no incentive to pay if they lose.
If not, then we could always have a VCT Picks Game. I'll host it and the Rules will be the same. People who play in the WoV game and post on both sites could also play in the VCT Picks Game. If it's VCT only, we can decide an Entry Fee and it can be based on honor system.
I will donate less to the VCT Picks Game, maybe just something small for the winner, because I imagine there will be fewer players. I think the WoV game will have 25-30 this year. If we can get up to ten players for the VCT Picks Game, then I will do a small contribution for first place and last place.
I came in next and offered to put in 300 dollars if Mission agreed to a side bet.
Mission ran the numbers and said the bet wasn't even close to fair.
Mission did not run the numbers with the X Factor of how I have to get my picks in every week.
If I missed one week I would forfeit any chance of winning and the 300 would stay in the Prize Pool.
I know that I have a 99% chance of missing a week... perhaps even a 100% chance of missing a week.
There is no way that I am going to be able to get my picks in for 18 or 19 weeks in a row and most likely I am going to just randomly pick my picks.
This is a main problem with Math Guys vs. Street Guys... The Math Guys can see the numbers but they can't size up the real world situation of the problem.
They aren't able to know what certain people will do or how to calculate it.
Two Minutes after Mission Posted the Math and that I was calling him stupid I agreed and asked him to adjust the rules and gave him the chance to give himself a small edge in the bet.
He refused that offer and told me that even if I gave the money with no stipulations that he would still tell me to Fuck Off!
We negotiated after that and I said I would donate 500 dollars to the Prize Pool for the VCT Game with the only stipulation that I send him the money directly because I trust him and he knows what he is doing running these games and has a long track record in this arena. I thought it might be fun for the forum over here to get involved in a FREE SHOT at some money. He could of made it winner take all or broke down the prize money however he wanted.
So now he is too scared for me to send him the money directly because I must be up to some sort of underhanded mischief.
So he agrees but I have to send the money to Dan Druff and Mission146 will not be participating in the game.
I refuse to those terms
I honestly do not understand how hard it is when someone says they are going to give you 500 dollars with no strings attached to just agree but these guys make it complicated and difficult.
Mission146 thinks I am giving him the money and keeps saying that he doesn't want my money.
The truth is I wasn't giving him money. I was giving him money to put into a prize pool for a VCT Picks game that the VCT community could enjoy a chance at winning.
I certainly wasn't giving him money for him. However I would of broke him off some dough if he needed some sort of fee for his time and his hard work in organizing the game.
The truth is I would of gone all the way up to 1000 dollars and sent it immediately for the game but many times it is difficult to give free money away.
Recently I had a lawyer instruct me to just spend this certain money that I have so that I do not have to worry about a legal situation.
I tried to explain that it isn't so easy to spend that kind of money and the money keeps growing. Every time I talk to these lawyers they put me in a Catch22 situation.
Something like sure you can own this or that but you can't do this or that with it. Fucking Lawyer double and triple talk.
Reminds me of Brewster's Millions... it really is that hard to spend large sums of money.