Do casinos still have change sorting machines? Will they convert lots of change to paper (or even a slot ticket to take to a cash machine) at no charge if you are a customer?
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Do casinos still have change sorting machines? Will they convert lots of change to paper (or even a slot ticket to take to a cash machine) at no charge if you are a customer?
I see people bring in buckets of coins to Red Rock and get cash. I doubt they charge a fee. I have no idea what the policy is at other casinos.
Elis Island probably still has one. Sometimes they will even give you a small % in extra in free play when you take your receipt to the cage. At one time it was a sweet deal. at one time I bought bricks of quarters and cashed them in just to get the extra free play.
I carted a couple of large change bags to Ellis when they had their 10% free play bonus for that. In fact, Argentino went into fits that anyone would do such a thing. I don't think they are currently giving the bonus, but I think they still have the change machine. They put in new flooring and carpet in the casino area last spring, so the place looks a bit spiffier. Plus the coffee shop specials are solid.
I take my change a few times per year to Ellis Island. Always a good excuse for a great root beer.
I could be wrong, but at one time I think they were doing 20% in free play up to $400 worth for $480 in free play. If me and my GF went that was $160 in extra free play. I should have done it more often.Bricks of quarters are heavy. I did hit a Royal clearing the free play.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
It was more about getting over on the casino than it was about the money.
Geez... if they still do that the +EV play is to buy rolls of quarters half dollars or dollars and cash them in. Will ha e to unroll them ofcourse.
Casinos accept rolled coins.
I think when the other guys talk about a brick they are referring to a box of wrapped coins that you get from a bank. Casinos take these and probably prefer them.
Remember the boxes of nickels when nickels were worth more than face value?
By the way copper pennies (all before 1982, some 1982) have 1.8-cents of copper.
Places that have coin-droppers will obviously accept your coins. I'm not sure if they have to be "separated" or not. But if you have a bunch of quarters by themselves, then they'll definitely accept them.
I remember going to the bank one time to get a bunch of rolls of quarters to bring to Ellis Island for the 10% bonus. I walked in and was greeted by the greeter person dude, he asked me what I needed help with, I said I just want to turn paper cash into quarters -- is there a limit for how much I can do? He looked at me stupidly, and said there's no problem, no limit, this is a bank after all. I wanted to confirm, so I asked again, and again he told me not to worry, there's no limit. Okay, cool.
I knew I wanted to do the Ellis Island thing several times, at $400 max, I decided if I did it for 5 days, I should get $2k in quarters. No problem for a bank, right? Riiiight???
So I get to the front, tell the teller I wanted A LOT of quarters and wasn't sure if they could help me with that. She also clarified there was no limit. So I asked for $2,000 in quarters. She told me they don't have that much in quarters (so much for the "no limit" thing). I don't remember how much I ended up getting, but it was definitely above $400 and I went to EI later to claim my $440 in FP. I didn't realize how freaking HEAVY that many quarters would be. It was a real struggle getting them all to my car.
After all that, I said f*** this, it's not worth the $35 in EV or so to spend all this time doing all this nonsense.
Years ago I drove to Vegas with a friend who owned a laundromat.
I'm amazed my car made it. I'm also amazed that the valets brought out two clothing carts to carry the buckets (and I mean buckets) of quarters. This was before TITO and Caesars happily accepted the $30,000+ of quarters.
Sounds like a sad, pathetic, desperate way to pick up a few bucks. Wouldn’t it be easier to collect deposit bottles out of the garbage? Imagine going to the bank and making a fool of yourself, then dragging heavy pounds of quarters to a casino for $35.00 dollars.
Of course, the famous alcoholic AP Axel hits a royal with the free-play scraps. He always wins or won regardless the angle.
These are the type of moves one must make when banking on the results of casino gambling games for their and their families security and future. Oh, that’s right, the math says certain results will eventually exist. Yet, the math never says you’re guaranteed these results. You still have to a certain degree be lucky.
I need to get away from here again.
I just wanted a cheaper place than coin star to do it quick. The coin star vig sucks
I take my various coin into just about any casino every 3 years or so for cash just to get rid of it. Each time it's around $400-$600. The grocery stores charge to do it but Harrahs is the only casino I've run into that does....if you're not Diamond or 7-Stars.
RS__ it's not called "EV" when you went for the 10% EI bonus. That's called "real money".
My bank has a coin counter, and they charge no fee for processing coin.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK
Check and see if your bank has one (they probably do) and go to the bank, not the casino.
Not that it matters but Ellis Island has some stipulations on the FP offer with the change exchange program.
They had one machine and it broke down a good bit.
This machine would take halves and below.
It wasn't hard to have 400 dollars or more in your trunk in coin.
I had a few milk carts with plastic buckets from different Casinos like the California.
The Cal has/had a coin area upstairs during that promotion a few years back.
You could buy quarters off the Cal.
You could go to the D and use the quarter machine beside the Derby game.
You could hit up the bank for some change.
Fremont has a big area of coin in machines still. You could buy quarters there or cash out machines.
Sams Town still had coin areas at that time as well.
Skyline and other places. It wasn't hard to get a rolling bank of coin.
Ellis Island would also except dollar coins at the cages so you didn't have to use the machine.
I hit the place kinda hard at the tail end.
I was over there when they told me they were going to discontinue the promotion inside of a week.
IMO it was good while it lasted and it lasted a long time.
The best game at that time to run it off of was the 16/10 deuces.
They have/had all the way up to 5 dollars.
I hit a few sets of deuces for 5k over there and they get all shook up with security and the clientele.
After the promotion ended my mailers on my card went to zero.
It was as if they no mailed me. I haven't been inside the place since they gave up on the promotion.
I posted about this before when it ended on WoV. Old News that has all been discussed already multiple times.
I can't remember why I choose quarters over halves, I suspect it is from my experiences with halves always clogging and jamming up the old Brant machines more often than quarters. It only takes a few seconds to crack and release a roll of quarters.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK
I guess Ellis Island can expect a rash of people cashing in change in the next few days. ;)
The self-serve line at Walmart accepts coin as payment for your groceries. When you run out of coins, you can use paper currency or switch payment type to a credit card.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK
About 6 years ago, I was at a casino that had a CoinStar. I went to the cage to exchange 4 quarters for a dollar bill. The retarded attendant pointed to a sign stating that they don't exchange coins and told me about the machine. I countered back with "You want me to take 4 quarters to that rip off machine, be charged 7% and come back to you with a receipt for 93 cents???" She gave me the dollar bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK
If you took the bonus, you got the whole amount ($440) in freeplay. If there was a prime example of “EV vs real money”, I think this would be it, or pretty close to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Wait a second. If you brought in $400 and got a $40 bonus how could you get $440 in free play? Didn't you just give them $400???Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__If you took the bonus, you got the whole amount ($440) in freeplay. If there was a prime example of “EV vs real money”, I think this would be it, or pretty close to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I think he's saying that they converted his $400 in coins into $440 in free play. If that's the case, it was a sucker promotion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonWait a second. If you brought in $400 and got a $40 bonus how could you get $440 in free play? Didn't you just give them $400???Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__If you took the bonus, you got the whole amount ($440) in freeplay. If there was a prime example of “EV vs real money”, I think this would be it, or pretty close to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
The Crash Helmet Crew strikes again.
Whatever that means. You deliver messages that are as corny as redietz'.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
Yeah, the $400 in coins would turn into $440 in FP.
What kind of AP math is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
If you brought in $400 and they gave you $440 of free play, you really only got $40 of free play.
Unless you got $400 cash plus $440 of free play?
Now which is it?
LOL...classic gotcha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonWhat kind of AP math is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
If you brought in $400 and they gave you $440 of free play, you really only got $40 of free play.
Unless you got $400 cash plus $440 of free play?
Now which is it?
You've never had a losing year, the casino turned your cash into free play first,
so anything you lost was only free play.
Okay, so RS__ goofed.
Still, getting a 10-percent bonus is still a good deal.
Holy shit, you're dense. The $400 becomes $440 free-play. Run the $440 through once. I don't remember the best games to play there, but I remember there being the 98.9% DW. 98.9% * $440 = $435.16. So your EV is $35.16.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonWhat kind of AP math is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
If you brought in $400 and they gave you $440 of free play, you really only got $40 of free play.
Unless you got $400 cash plus $440 of free play?
Now which is it?
Okay. So you bring in $400 of coins, and you get $400 of cash plus another $440 of free play? Is that what you're saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__Holy shit, you're dense. The $400 becomes $440 free-play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonWhat kind of AP math is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
If you brought in $400 and they gave you $440 of free play, you really only got $40 of free play.
Unless you got $400 cash plus $440 of free play?
Now which is it?
Otherwise, if you're getting $440 from the casino, you PAID FOR $400 with the coins you brought in.
Which is it?
You don't get $400 in cash. The only thing you get back is $440 in free-play, which you have to pay for with $400. If you can't understand what I'm saying, I bolded the answer in your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonOkay. So you bring in $400 of coins, and you get $400 of cash plus another $440 of free play? Is that what you're saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__Holy shit, you're dense. The $400 becomes $440 free-play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Otherwise, if you're getting $440 from the casino, you PAID FOR $400 with the coins you brought in.
Which is it?
RS keeps writing "free play" when he means "slot play".Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
But as the Sheldon Cooper of his crew, he can never admit to making a mistake,
not here and not to you anyway.
It's obviously not free play if you use currency to pay for it,
but he's too dense to comprehend that.
Typical AP mentality I suppose.
The reason you don't know what it means is because you are on the crew led by MendelFool. The Tard Brigade aka/Crash Helmet Crew has once again demonstrated there poor comprehensive and logic abilities with not being able to understand the value in buying $440 in play for $400. You yourself called it a sucker bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerWhatever that means. You deliver messages that are as corny as redietz'.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
What value is there in something that's not worth the money?...you hand job.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
The exercise below is beyond retarded...it's pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
What's your next play hot shot?...sitting on one of the bridges with a bucket and your cat?Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
If it isn't worth anything why doesn't every casino offer it?
Why did they shut it down?
Why does RS never know or remember what is going on in Vegas?
I already explained the offer.
The best game for the last year it was up was the 16/10 deuces and you could run it off from quarters up to 5 dollar VP.
If you think running 5 to 10 people through the gauntlet daily isn't worth anything I can't really help nor explain it to you.
They also sent plenty of mailers and had daily kiosk spins and other things.
Once again 16/10 deuces is 99.7% return flat.
Some of those machines said they didn't take free play but they did.
Obvious goof from the Casino Side.
Before this Promotion they had better things and over 100% Ten Play games flat.
They threw a bunch of players out for taking advantage of them.
Like I said before... it doesn't matter. This is old news and you can't do it anymore over there.
However when you see things like this pop up from time to time it can help you if you know how to exploit it.
No reason to help the Helmet Crew out anyways.
They don't care and they don't believe.
They want to act like they caught RS like he wasn't explaining the play or that the play is no good.
Anytime a Casino wants to give me free play for money up front I will be happy to oblige.
The Helmet Crew is correct that this type of play is no good for them.
Especially the way Alan and the rest of the Crew plays Free Play Strategy.
They would never be able to get over 100% Return on their investment even with a 10% offer.
You can try to explain how you carried out this play.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
$400 in quarters weighs 20 lbs.
So what were you doing, collecting and then cashing in 200 lbs of quarters daily
to put 10 people on the play?
How long did it take to gather 200 lbs of quarters every day?
You carried them around in buckets in your trunk,
and lugged them into Ellis Island day after day?
The expected profit was $350 per day?
Did you pay your players?
How long did you do this?
Stupid X 19 = singer
Stupid X 29 = coach petunia
Stupid X 39 = mendelson.
I'll gladly buy freeplay at 11 for 10 all day long. Sell me a million dollars worth. Please.
I'm just amazed at this AP math. First of all, coach is correct when he used the term "slot play."
So let's see if the APs will agree to this:
When you bring in $400 of coin, you receive $400 of SLOT PLAY (which is nothing more than payment for your $400 of coins) PLUS you get $40 of FREE PLAY.
Do our distinguished friends agree with this?
Frankly, I see nothing wrong with doing this on a daily basis if there's a nearby bank to get the coins. Heck, I drive to a casino for $20 of free play.
Why are you attacking me Crimm? I didn't disagree with the coin play at all. You just want to troll me.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Freeplay is the same thing as slot play. I think it’s near unanimous people refer to them as freeplay.
Sorry buddy, but FREE PLAY is something the casino gives you. It's not FREE when you paid for it with the coins you brought in.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
MaxPen are you reading this?
Mickeycrimm are you reading this?
Whatever. Call it slot play, free play, free credits, or promotional credits; it's all the same thing -- "money" you have to cycle through at least once before cashing out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonSorry buddy, but FREE PLAY is something the casino gives you. It's not FREE when you paid for it with the coins you brought in.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
MaxPen are you reading this?
Mickeycrimm are you reading this?
I say potato, you say potato.
Stop your bullshit. Getting slot play for the coins you bring to the cage is not free play. You made a mistake. Admit it and move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__Whatever. Call it slot play, free play, free credits, or promotional credits; it's all the same thing -- "money" you have to cycle through at least once before cashing out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonSorry buddy, but FREE PLAY is something the casino gives you. It's not FREE when you paid for it with the coins you brought in.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
MaxPen are you reading this?
Mickeycrimm are you reading this?
I say potato, you say potato.
Tell me you really don't get this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonOkay. So you bring in $400 of coins, and you get $400 of cash plus another $440 of free play? Is that what you're saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__Holy shit, you're dense. The $400 becomes $440 free-play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Otherwise, if you're getting $440 from the casino, you PAID FOR $400 with the coins you brought in.
Which is it?
You give them 400 in coin
They give you 440 in a ticket to be used as play.
Done.
Of you are bringing $400 with you with the intention of putting it through a machine you might as well get an extra 10% out of it.
Edit: Nevermind, this isn't even worth talking about. It's impossible to reason with you when you use neanderthal logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Wait I see what you did here... there is some conflicting use of terms here...
I don't know the Ellis rules, but I imagine they give slot play tickets or something that has to be played through at 1X before it can be cashed out... to prevent people going in, getting a 10% bonus on their change and redeeming the ticket in a bill breaker...
While ot isn't exactly free play awarded they do give you slot vouchers.
Now if we want to get really picky about it, will the vouchers played show on your P&L for the casino as your coin in or as a $440 award?
They would put $440 in "slot play" onto your account. You go to machine, download it, then play it off. No vouchers were used (at least when I did it, but I doubt they changed it).Quote:
Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK
If you want to get nit-picky, they may have added like 440,000 points to the account, which could be redeemed for $440. I don't remember if they did that, or not. I just know that some places do that, especially when giving out free-play ... sorry, SLOT PLAY, manually, because it's easier to adjust someone's points than it is to give them free-play, for whatever reason. I know at least twice, when I had free-play issues, I asked a boothling or host about it, and they said they couldn't give me free-play because their system didn't allow for that, but they gave me the equivalent value worth of points -- this wasn't at Ellis Island though, it was at other places.
Hold it. There's only one bone of contention here: the use of the term FREE PLAY.
If you bring $400 in coins to the casino, and they give you $440 of credits on your account you DO NOT have $440 of FREE PLAY. You have the $400 you brought in plus a $40 bonus which is in fact $40 of free play.
You would buy freeplay from whom? All day long where?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
How would that work? The seller must travel to Montana,
to track down the world's biggest groundhog?
Axel has written several times offering to buy freeplay.
Is that what he'll pay? $10 cash for every $11 in freeplay?
Let us guess, you wanna put some money up and meet up with him, but only face to face...same as you’ve tried with at least 10 other dudes here.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyYou would buy freeplay from whom? All day long where?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
How would that work? The seller must travel to Montana,
to track down the world's biggest groundhog?
Axel has written several times offering to buy freeplay.
Is that what he'll pay? $10 cash for every $11 in freeplay?
Does it really matter what it's called? As long as we agree it's a good deal, that's all that matters.
Buying those promotional chips (under the name "Win Cards") for table games that MGM properties have/had is the same thing.
And if I give YOU the $440 credits for free do YOU now have $440 in free play? If so, then it always was and always will be free play. Just because someone paid for the FREE PLAY doesn't change the NAME of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
It would all depend on the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyYou would buy freeplay from whom? All day long where?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
How would that work? The seller must travel to Montana,
to track down the world's biggest groundhog?
Axel has written several times offering to buy freeplay.
Is that what he'll pay? $10 cash for every $11 in freeplay?
I would not wast my time with a small amount.
If I could buy it in bulk, FROM THE CASINO, at that rate, then YES, I would do it all day long. No, I dont want to do it in dribs and drabs while having to run from casino to casino.
Would you play a variation of a 8/5 bonus VP machine all day if it was 109% payback?
I don't really want to buy it from individuals at that rate because it sets the market to high and I want to get the best deal for myself as I can.
Yes, it matters what it's called. You can't call your own money "free play."Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
And yes. It sounds like a good deal to me as long as a bank is convenient to pick up $400 in coin to bring to the casino for a $40 bonus. Why not?
Are you really this stupid? The casino only gave you $40. You brought them $400 in coin as am incentive for them to give you a $40 bonus. The bonus is your free play.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfAnd if I give YOU the $440 credits for free do YOU now have $440 in free play? If so, then it always was and always will be free play. Just because someone paid for the FREE PLAY doesn't change the NAME of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Geez. I can't believe this AP double talk.
I look at it this way. The 400 cash is converted to 440 free play. 440 free play has less value than 440 cash or 400 cash plus 40 free play because you have to run it through once. So I don’t think it is incorrect to refer to it as 440 in free play. That there was a cost for the free play is a different issue. But the cash has been converted to free play in the sense that there are rules attached to it now. You can’t just put it in your pocket.
Sounds like a good deal to me but I wouldn’t waste my time as a visitor. For someone that lives there why not.
Alan's mental midgetry is shining through again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonAre you really this stupid? The casino only gave you $40. You brought them $400 in coin as am incentive for them to give you a $40 bonus. The bonus is your free play.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfAnd if I give YOU the $440 credits for free do YOU now have $440 in free play? If so, then it always was and always will be free play. Just because someone paid for the FREE PLAY doesn't change the NAME of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Geez. I can't believe this AP double talk.
No mickeycrimm. I'm tired of the bullshit.
AxelWolf starts talking about money dropping out of heaven like manna? Yeah, that's free play. But when you bring in $400 and the casino gives you $440 of credits only $40 is free play. Stop your twisted hallucinations.
Regnis "that there was a cost for the free play is a different issue" are you serious? That's the only issue. Anything you pay for through an exchange or deposit or purchase isn't free.Quote:
Originally Posted by regnis
No reason not to call it "free play," as in fact you must run it through once before you are allowed to set it "free" / cash it out.
Just for the sake of argument: what name would you propose be used?
Whatever you want to call it it has now been converted to something equivalent to free play as it must be played through. It has less value than 400 cash. The term “free play” does not, in this case, mean there was no cost. It is free play in how it must be used——i.e.—— it has to be played through once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonRegnis "that there was a cost for the free play is a different issue" are you serious? That's the only issue. Anything you pay for through an exchange or deposit or purchase isn't free.Quote:
Originally Posted by regnis
But whatever anyone wants to call it, you are getting the ev on the extra 40 so not a bad deal.
The casino is banking on the suckers to keep churning the money through after the initial play through. That's why they market it as "free play." Again, to me, I don't care what they call it. If it's a good deal and worth the time, I'll play it.
Yeah but the AP who actually accepted the offer wrote this...Quote:
Originally Posted by regnis
So is it a good deal if it's not worth it?Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__
And RS was only talking about gathering 20 lbs of quarters together,
to put 10 people on the play daily that would require gathering 200 lbs of quarters daily.
Is that a more worthwhile endeavor?
I think the appropriate term now is "disaster waiting to happen."Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Initially I thought that if you brought in $400 of coin you would get $40 of free play for the coinage.
But now you're telling me that you no longer have control of your initial $400 and you have to run it through a machine? What kind of +EV is that?!?! It sounds to me like a trap even if you are getting a 10-percent bonus on your money.
I would bring in coins all day long if I was given cash for the $400 in coins plus 10% free play. But obligating me to now run through my initial investment in any machine turns it into a disaster waiting to happen.
Why would it matter? You play WITHOUT these bonuses anyway. The sharps will play through once and leave, the "ploppies" will stay and keep playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonI think the appropriate term now is "disaster waiting to happen."Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Initially I thought that if you brought in $400 of coin you would get $40 of free play for the coinage.
But now you're telling me that you no longer have control of your initial $400 and you have to run it through a machine? What kind of +EV is that?!?! It sounds to me like a trap even if you are getting a 10-percent bonus on your money.
I would bring in coins all day long if I was given cash for the $400 in coins plus 10% free play. But obligating me to now run through my initial investment in any machine turns it into a disaster waiting to happen.
So long as the player limits his casino play to running through the $440 and then stops, I think there would be a very slight advantage to the player with slots, given the low-nineties pay back percentage on slots in many Las Vegas casinos: a better advantage would lie with VP players who are playing better games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
But hey, how many players would leave, given their addiction,I mean, given their fondness for casino play?
That's where they get you.
Exactly! Using 8/5 BP the expected return is approximately $436.30 for a net PROFIT of just over $36. Just playing the $400 the expectation is a LOSS of $3.36Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVSo long as the player limits his casino play to running through the $440 and then stops, I think there would be a very slight advantage to the player with slots, given the low-nineties pay back percentage on slots in many Las Vegas casinos: a better advantage would lie with VP players who are playing better games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
But hey, how many players would leave, given their addiction,I mean, given their fondness for casino play?
That's where they get you.
Its not a matter of running the money thru once and leaving. It's having to run the money thru once and taking your chances. Sure you might hit something and win but what if you run the money thru once and lose? Even kewlj admits to losing and he has the advantage of counting cards. You can't see how the RNG is picking cards or symbols.
Sorry. Use this promo only if you intended to gamble that money to begin with.
Exactly what the APs would say. But what if your actual return differs? I've run $500 thru a $5/coin Bonus game without getting even a paying pair.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbExactly! Using 8/5 BP the expected return is approximately $436.30 for a net PROFIT of just over $36. Just playing the $400 the expectation is a LOSS of $3.36Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVSo long as the player limits his casino play to running through the $440 and then stops, I think there would be a very slight advantage to the player with slots, given the low-nineties pay back percentage on slots in many Las Vegas casinos: a better advantage would lie with VP players who are playing better games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
But hey, how many players would leave, given their addiction,I mean, given their fondness for casino play?
That's where they get you.
For myself, free play, free money, free anything is good (unless you have to sign a contract). If I lived in Vegas, I would take advantage of this offer.
While Alan is correct about one time, bad, pay through of the money, most individuals will go with the long term numbers. On VP at 99.5% payback, the extra $40 "free money" should only lose 20 cents. When forced to play the whole $440, an individual "should" lose $2.20. Yes, the casino gets an extra $2 from you, but, if diligent, you "could" walk out $37.80 ahead.
For us Irishmen, there are extra mitigating factors. Forcing to put through the initial $400 will take an extra 45 minutes or so. I am no Supreme Court justice nominee, but I still will wreck some havoc with a few drinks and the tips on my Barcardi and Diet Cokes will affect the overall payout.
At $37.80 minus a few bucks for tips, this is a nice little play. Then again for Kavanaugh, this would be a negative EV (kidding).
Actual or "what might happen" has no bearing on anything. If that were the case, casinos wouldn't exist on themselves relying on their edge. But...what IF you run way above average??? This is why you want to play it as much as you can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonExactly what the APs would say. But what if your actual return differs? I've run $500 thru a $5/coin Bonus game without getting even a paying pair.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbExactly! Using 8/5 BP the expected return is approximately $436.30 for a net PROFIT of just over $36. Just playing the $400 the expectation is a LOSS of $3.36Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
You're just a negative person. Just keep going to Red Rock and forking over your retirement money....
A simple question gets turned into the most useless argument only here...
Duck, i just wanted to know if I can change coins to bills at a casino.
Cool that one casino out there will give you a 10% bonus for what you bring in. Most people will just play through it anyway so why not get the 10%. Who cares what it is called. Geez... if you people would put more effort into life than what was in this thread....
Because you are a degenerate addict. People like you are the reason the lights stay on. In a way AP's should put you on a pedestal. You losing your pension monthly in a quest for some comped juice allows casinos to exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonI think the appropriate term now is "disaster waiting to happen."Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Initially I thought that if you brought in $400 of coin you would get $40 of free play for the coinage.
But now you're telling me that you no longer have control of your initial $400 and you have to run it through a machine? What kind of +EV is that?!?! It sounds to me like a trap even if you are getting a 10-percent bonus on your money.
I would bring in coins all day long if I was given cash for the $400 in coins plus 10% free play. But obligating me to now run through my initial investment in any machine turns it into a disaster waiting to happen.
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Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK
Slap, you are correct. Then again, Yogi Berra said, "When you reach the fork in the road, take it". Everyone is responding to the fork (for the most part) and not your original post. I am not surprised.
No MaxPen. You have the problem because you think being forced to play thru $400 to get a 10-percent bonus is a great deal.
Hint: the casino has you by the balls.
Retirement money. Remember that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbActual or "what might happen" has no bearing on anything. If that were the case, casinos wouldn't exist on themselves relying on their edge. But...what IF you run way above average??? This is why you want to play it as much as you can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonExactly what the APs would say. But what if your actual return differs? I've run $500 thru a $5/coin Bonus game without getting even a paying pair.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
You're just a negative person. Just keep going to Red Rock and forking over your retirement money....
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Originally Posted by Deech
This statement, upon examination, makes no sense, at least in the context of this thread.
What point are you trying to make?
Did you really mean to say "...put the same effort into life as was in this thread?"
Your statement is too damned obtuse, unclear, and basically meaningless.
"Like father, like son?"
For the record AxelWolf mentioned the Ellis Island promotion in the third post of this thread.
If any of you want to accept the risk of running thru your own money which you first obtained by going to a bank or emptying piggy banks or water bottles and then lugging it to a casino for a 10% bonus that also must first be put at risk, and if you want to call that a +EV play, be my guest to take advantage of all such opportunities. You could come out ahead, and you could lose. But you will certainly get some exercise and there is +EV in that.