OUT with the OLD: IN with the NEW:

After literally spending years sifting through the bull at BJTF I've arrived at then end with final conclusions.

1.) Stay away from 6.5 blackjack.

2.) Stay from shoes.

3.) Focus on single deck and double deck games with as few at the table as possible.

4.) Play within casino tolerance. Do not exceed 8% in large bet frequency.

5.) Do not drive more than an hour to play blackjack in a day. Do not fly or drive 3 hours to a city without at least 5 casinos that offer blackjack.

6.) Do not play if not at least 60% pen. Do not play with more than 2 players double deck. 1 player single deck.

CV Data is a useful tool.

However, your count should equal 48. Hence, 24 on the negative side and 24 on the positive in order to combat today's game with the reduction of pen.

Why? 48 is the only number you can divide equally by 24,16,12,8,4,and 2. Therefore you can get exact ratios. No more guessing. What is played equals what still remains to be played.

Consider your base to be 940 BC, 545 PE, 650 IC as your base. Do not go below your base when running sims. Do not give the Ace -1.5 credit. IT proved a top SCORE but you'll find it to be a horrible solution when you test drive it on Verite.

Move your Ace for insurance purposes. Do not worry about it on the other plays.

Last but not least - MATTHEW 23.12.

Sessions are meaningless:

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Moses replies: You must have said this 100 times. I get so sick of hearing it. Especially from the blue oyster cult. Game selection is vital. You'd best know what kind of animal you have underneath you and what animal your capable of riding before you ever get in the gate. Otherwise, you'll have a series a bad sessions and may never catch up. If sessions are meaningless? Okay, I'll trade you one of my bad ones for two of your good ones. Geezeous!

Tarzan writes; If Gronbog can simulate T count, it's safe to say it's little he can't do. There was an immense amount of work on that project. Verifying the values being plugged was as difficult and detail-oriented as it gets, considerably more trouble than actually learning or performing the method, which is from a practical application standpoint the maximum gain and efficiency with the least amount of mental strain, arriving at near perfect play. That's what it takes to outperform HiOpt2ASC and anything short of that isn't going to cut it. I'm not saying what you're doing isn't good or effective, or discourage you in any way, and merely saying it's relatively certain it won't outperform HiOptASC, with this coming from someone who has intimate familiarity with what it takes to outperform HiOpt2ASC. Gronbog doing a simulation for you would give you a definitive answer on your enhancements compared to everything else, much better than just speculation.

Moses replies; The problem is by the time one actually outperforms the other? You could be dead. Too bad Gronbog has no interest in bottling and selling his program. I'd fly to his location and pay 10 times the amount of CV Data for a Sim customized to fit my game. Think about it G?

Most of your money made from card counting is derived from your bet spread and optimal betting. Everything after that is just gravy, slight gains that are tiny fractions of a percentage point, worth going for with some, not worth bothering with for others.

Excellent point. Yet forum rhetoric is all about slight gains that may or may not happen during our lifetime of play.

The illustrious 18 was devised for maximum gain using the least effort, getting the most of it. The tiniest fraction of a percentage point is a lot if there's a large enough volume of money involved, though, so nothing wrong with trying to maximize your theoretical edge. You can run this out to its greatest extent even, with the most difficult composition dependent index possible for the least gain involved if you want to, where the difference in EV can be as little as .0001 between three possible playing decisions, to either hit, split, or double given the right deck composition, which will have virtually no impact on a simulation, but is still just a hell of a lot of fun if you are hardcore enough. Can you guess the hand?

Probably not. I could care less about most thresholds on minimum bets. My time is better served discovering true advantages (with a max bet) and then improving my position on same.

What you saying is true for single deck and double deck games. For shoe games 6-8 deck it is possible to outperform Hi-OPT II with ASC by further improving the betting. I know because I simulated with two dimensional count systems optimizing it for betting. But with single deck and double deck it is different you maybe really need to bring blackjack to near perfect play to outperform Hi-OPT II with ASC.

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Moses replies: WRONG! If you start pulling that hairy high school crap of playing all indices, they WILL shorten pen and YOU'LL be fucked. I bet your sim didn't allow for that.
Your bet size is limited and frequency of large bets as well. Unfortunately, we no longer get to play with 1980 conditions. So STOP spewing that crap. I've never got to bet on a sim SCORE yet.

You HAVE to take what the give you and figure a way to beat them with that. It's just that simple. End of story. Sometimes it's not enough? So don't play.

Does anyone actually read this stuff?

Threads like this remind of visiting a nursing home and observing the oldster in the corner.

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I read some of it. Just don't have the desire to comment on most of it.

But I have some good news for you Moses. Your buddy 3 reads this site. Today on another forum he commented that I was preparing to break our bank and that was something I only mentioned here.

So if you have anything you want to say to him...he is reading. Lol. Actually I suspect "others" from BJTF are reading as well.

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I realize some are very busy reading 3 or 4 threads and 200 posts about the size of Singers dick. Sorry for the interruption.

BTW, the "oldster" in the corner may be smarter than you think. They did something right to be the oldster in the corner. It's better than the other option.

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I read some of it. Just don't have the desire to comment on most of it.

But I have some good news for you Moses. Your buddy 3 reads this site. Today on another forum he commented that I was preparing to break our bank and that was something I only mentioned here.

So if you have anything you want to say to him...he is reading. Lol. Actually I suspect "others" from BJTF are reading as well.

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Yup. That's why I do it. Plus notes to myself. And something to do while working on this endless boring assed study. But I should be done in 10 days or so.

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...And you think I care? Actually, RS, Blackhole, Singer, Monet, KJ and quite a few others have been very helpful. Then I view your posts and see some whining little ass hole.

So I get it you. Typically, you're the type that bitches about how a site is ran, threatens to leave, leaves, comes back again. REPEAT.

Now, obviously you've been following me which seems a little queer . ZZ is like my own private forum. The people who read are exactly the ones I want to read and offer sound advice. Not bullshit. I "think" you're the guy that had a lot say about me when I was banned and couldn't respond. Kind of a pussy way of dong things. Don't you think? Well, I'm here now and these guys don't ban people for speaking their mind.

Your "balls" are in your court.

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...And you think I care? Actually, RS, Blackhole, Singer, Monet, KJ and quite a few others have been very helpful. Then I view your posts and see some whining little ass hole.

So I get it you. Typically, you're the type that bitches about how a site is ran, threatens to leave, leaves, comes back again. REPEAT.

Now, obviously you've been following me which seems a little queer . ZZ is like my own private forum. The people who read are exactly the ones I want to read and offer sound advice. Not bullshit. I "think" you're the guy that had a lot say about me when I was banned and couldn't respond. Kind of a pussy way of dong things. Don't you think? Well, I'm here now and these guys don't ban people for speaking their mind.

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WTF are you prattling on about now? I know the ball is in my court and I keep it to myself. Go finish having conversations with R2D2 and your other nemesis.

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Prattling? That's all you've got. Prattling? What is the point of keeping it to yourself? IT's a forum, dipshit. What a fucking wimp. Bring it on or go back on the porch with the rest of your pussy dogs.

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Prattling? That's all you've got. Prattling? What is the point of keeping it to yourself? IT's a forum, dipshit. What a fucking wimp. Bring it on or go back on the porch with the rest of your pussy dogs.

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Dogs don't like fleas and you are definitely a flea. So I won't involve myself in any further argument with you. You can go start a new thread, on this or any other forum, muttering to yourself and carrying on imaginary conversations about me if you like though

Typical pussy response. I doubt you need to worry about fleas. It's clear you don't have one hair on your ass. But you think you're in charge of something? Let alone me? Think again dipshit. If Dan has or ZZ moderator has a problem with me then I would assume they would say so. But they have not said a word. I just want a level playing to deal with fuckers like you that like to hide behind and go running to the moderators.

So go back and hide. Trust me, you really don't want any part of me.

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Typical pussy response. I doubt you need to worry about fleas. It's clear you don't have one hair on your ass. But you think you're in charge of something? Let alone me? Think again dipshit. If Dan has or ZZ moderator has a problem with me then I would assume they would say so. But they have not said a word. I just want a level playing to deal with fuckers like you that like to hide behind and go running to the moderators.

So go back and hide. Trust me, you really don't want any part of me.

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I spent the earlier part of my life dealing with much more than wannabes like you. You are an insignificant flea. I don't even talk to Dan and could care less. Again with your prattling, no one knows what ZZ is. Don't bother to explain as I'm sure no one cares. I know I don't. So continue on fucking yourself and playing with your imaginary balls in the corner.

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I spent the earlier part of my life dealing with much more than wannabes like you. You are an insignificant flea. I don't even talk to Dan and could care less. Again with your prattling, no one knows what ZZ is. Don't bother to explain as I'm sure no one cares. I know I don't. So continue on fucking yourself and playing with your imaginary balls in the corner.

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...And I spent a great deal of my life dealing with mouthy fuckers like you that bit off more than they could chew. I will explain it if I choose to. But right now. I don't. Again you seem to know what everything thinks. How can you do that when you can't even find the front door in your own house? Here is a hint...it's the biggest one.

In the words of the Mickster. "Don't let you alligator mouth overload your hummingbird ass." I'm not hard to find. Enjoy gumming your banana.

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I spent the earlier part of my life dealing with much more than wannabes like you. You are an insignificant flea. I don't even talk to Dan and could care less. Again with your prattling, no one knows what ZZ is. Don't bother to explain as I'm sure no one cares. I know I don't. So continue on fucking yourself and playing with your imaginary balls in the corner.

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...And I spent a great deal of my life dealing with mouthy fuckers like you that bit off more than they could chew. I will explain it if I choose to. But right now. I don't. Again you seem to know what everything thinks. How can you do that when you can't even find the front door in your own house? Here is a hint...it's the biggest one.

In the words of the Mickster. "Don't let you alligator mouth overload your hummingbird ass." I'm not hard to find. Enjoy gumming your banana.

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No need for further back and forth. My assumptions and observations have been proven correct once again. Enjoy trying to stroke yourself in the corner.

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As well are mine. I went back and read many of your posts. It's clear you believe you are better than most. As I suspected, when called out you run and hide like a little girl. One thing you have accomplished though, you'll have me as shadow on any posts you make here. Simply put, I don't like people like you that are self professed and put themselves on a pedestal.

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As well are mine. I went back and read many of your posts. It's clear you believe you are better than most.couldn't be more wrong but people who have inferiority complexes might see it that way As I suspected, when called out you run and hide like a little girl.No hiding, I don't like playing with fleas. One thing you have accomplished though, you'll have me as shadow on any posts you make here.And I could give a fuck if you wanna be just another troll on this site. Simply put, I don't like people like you that are self professed and put themselves on a pedestal. You have a lot of inner turmoil. Maybe you should find help with that.

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Huh? You must be a queer. No but you're a jerk off.

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Are you in 5th grade or is that where your development stopped?

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No. Don't worry, I'm not the bully that was putting pop knots on your head in elementary school. I'm the guy who pulled him off you. IF you tell some guy in casino to beat off in a corner, they'd be all over you...and I'd have to pull them off you all over again. I mean are your really that stupid? The part that amazes me is you do it without effort. There is a group of us laughing at you. So you feed your ego with forum confronting?

Now, I've called you a pussy, chicken shit, yellow coward, and just about anything I can think of to get you to back your words because I think you're hiding under a different pen name or someone's puppet and we've been down this road before.

Put up or shut up. Dip Stick.

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No. Don't worry, I'm not the bully that was putting pop knots on your head in elementary school. I'm the guy who pulled him off you. IF you tell some guy in casino to beat off in a corner, they'd be all over you...and I'd have to pull them off you all over again. I mean are your really that stupid? The part that amazes me is you do it without effort. There is a group of us laughing at you. So you feed your ego with forum confronting?

Now, I've called you a pussy, chicken shit, yellow coward, and just about anything I can think of to get you to back your words because I think you're hiding under a different pen name or someone's puppet and we've been down this road before.

Put up or shut up. Dip Stick.

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You're delusional. You are losing your mind. You and your imaginary friends and personalities can continue laughing. One of 2 things happen to people that you are pretending be, ( a badass in your own mind). You either wind up dead/crippled or in jail. Seeing as to how you're pretty old and playing some broken BJ strategy you're definitely a wannabe flea.
No sock names and no puppeteering here. Apparently you find yourself down this road often. You seem to be the one trying to be all confrontational with your 5th grade insults from the 50's. Yellow coward LMAO.
Put up what? If you want to meet up that bad PM me a casino in Vegas with a date and time. Along with a description of your dumbass so I can find you.

So you think you want a piece of me? Two go out. One comes in. We are not far away from each other. You think everyone here is a tard or delusional. Well, you finally fucked with the wrong guy and just let your mouth get you into something you will wish it hadn't. Take your 6 figure income and stick it. I don't know Vegas. You name the casino. I'll be there.

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So you think you want a piece of me? Two go out. One comes in. We are not far away from each other. You think everyone here is a tard or delusional. Well, you finally fucked with the wrong guy and just let your mouth get you into something you will wish it hadn't. Take your 6 figure income and stick it. I don't know Vegas. You name the casino. I'll be there.

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I don't want any part of you. Crazy is -EV. There you go making up more shit. Only person who I called Tard is Alan. Deservedly so in my opinion. I'm pretty sure you're capable of finding the definition of delusional. What am I supposed to interpret your statements as being other than contradicting reality. You're always carrying on about kicking someone's ass. You're fucking with yourself. Where did the 6 figure income comment come from and what is the relevance?

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So you think you want a piece of me? Two go out. One comes in. We are not far away from each other. You think everyone here is a tard or delusional. Well, you finally fucked with the wrong guy and just let your mouth get you into something you will wish it hadn't. Take your 6 figure income and stick it. I don't know Vegas. You name the casino. I'll be there.

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I don't want any part of you. Crazy is -EV. There you go making up more shit. Only person who I called Tard is Alan. Deservedly so in my opinion. I'm pretty sure you're capable of finding the definition of delusional. What am I supposed to interpret your statements as being other than contradicting reality. You're always carrying on about kicking someone's ass. You're fucking with yourself. Where did the 6 figure income comment come from and what is the relevance?

Edit: You can go ahead and get the last comment in as I am getting bored with you.

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There was Alan, Larry S, Dan, Singer. Crimm. This is part of everyday life where I live. My quarter says you've never been in a fight in your life. The relevance is I took the time to read your posts to see exactly who I'm dealing with. I'm not scared...you're all mouth and no go.

I didn't read every post but I read enough know you're full of yourself.

Trust me, you won't be bored when I arrive. Sounds to me like your backing down. No? If so, then I suggest you keep you mouth shut in the future. If not? No worries. I will shut it for you.

Now it's an 8 hour drive or so for me. Name the casino...bad ass.

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So you think you want a piece of me? Two go out. One comes in. We are not far away from each other. You think everyone here is a tard or delusional. Well, you finally fucked with the wrong guy and just let your mouth get you into something you will wish it hadn't. Take your 6 figure income and stick it. I don't know Vegas. You name the casino. I'll be there.

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I don't want any part of you. Crazy is -EV. There you go making up more shit. Only person who I called Tard is Alan. Deservedly so in my opinion. I'm pretty sure you're capable of finding the definition of delusional. What am I supposed to interpret your statements as being other than contradicting reality. You're always carrying on about kicking someone's ass. You're fucking with yourself. Where did the 6 figure income comment come from and what is the relevance?

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There was Alan, Larry S, Dan, Singer. Crimm. This is part of everyday life where I live. My quarter says you've never been in a fight in your life. The relevance is I took the time to read your posts to see exactly who I'm dealing with. I'm not scared...you're all mouth and no go.

I didn't read every post but I read enough know you're full of yourself.

Trust me, you won't be bored when I arrive. Sounds to me like your backing down. No? If so, then I suggest you keep you mouth shut in the future. If not? No worries. I will shut it for you.

Now it's an 8 hour drive or so for me. Name the casino...bad ass.

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I have never called Crimm a tard. The others maybe. Not so sure about Dan, but doubtful. You, Singer, Larry S, and Alan can continue sitting around having a circle jerk over me. Thanks for letting me know who is in your posse. Sorry you fools are so offended.
I have no intentions of engaging in the act of communicating threats over the internet. I have no need for that in my life. I'll let you lead the way in that department. You can imagine all you want about me. I am secure in my abilities to carry myself thru life and they have served me well thru out.
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I don't want any part of you. Crazy is -EV. There you go making up more shit. Only person who I called Tard is Alan. Deservedly so in my opinion. I'm pretty sure you're capable of finding the definition of delusional. What am I supposed to interpret your statements as being other than contradicting reality. You're always carrying on about kicking someone's ass. You're fucking with yourself. Where did the 6 figure income comment come from and what is the relevance?

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There was Alan, Larry S, Dan, Singer. Crimm. This is part of everyday life where I live. My quarter says you've never been in a fight in your life. The relevance is I took the time to read your posts to see exactly who I'm dealing with. I'm not scared...you're all mouth and no go.

I didn't read every post but I read enough know you're full of yourself.

Trust me, you won't be bored when I arrive. Sounds to me like your backing down. No? If so, then I suggest you keep you mouth shut in the future. If not? No worries. I will shut it for you.

Now it's an 8 hour drive or so for me. Name the casino...bad ass.

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I have never called Crimm a tard. The others maybe. Not so sure about Dan, but doubtful. You, Singer, Larry S, and Alan can continue sitting around having a circle jerk over me. Thanks for letting me know who is in your posse. Sorry you fools are so offended.
I have no intentions of engaging in the act of communicating threats over the internet. I have no need for that in my life. I'll let you lead the way in that department. You can imagine all you want about me. I am secure in my abilities to carry myself thru life and they have served me well thru out.
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Just what I thought...you're full of talk. I have no posse. I'll be all by my lonesome. I know what is inside of me. Too bad you look inside yourself and see nothing.

Sooner or later that full of yourself crap will backfire on you. You will pop off to the wrong person in a casino and you'll get your ass handed to you. I see it everyday. So I'm full of bullshit? I'm not the one hiding and never will be. I'd rather be dead. I see what it does to wimps like you. Good luck being a pussy for the rest of your life.

Circle jerk? jack off in a corner? You really sound like a flaming queer to me. Are you obsessed with wieners or what?

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Moses is taking you up on your offer.

Let board members know the place, date and time, please: we gotta take our entertainment where we can find it.

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Moses is taking you up on your offer.

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What offer would that be? The only offer I made is the one you are quoting. I haven't received any PM. I certainly wouldn't attend a meeting with a bunch of random forum members so you'll have to find your entertainment elsewhere.

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You want crazy? I haven't even touched the crazy button yet. I called you out and now you are looking like an absolute pussy to all those you've been putting down.

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You don't need a PM. Just tell me the casino. So you think you're being stalked? Naw, but if you don't show after I drive 8 hours, you will be. So what, you thought you could keep on posting your vile crap forever and never run into a crazy fucker like me? Wrong again Pussy Fart.

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One of 2 things happen to people that you are pretending be, ( a badass in your own mind). You either wind up dead/crippled or in jail. Seeing as to how you're pretty old..

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Still young enough to knock the ho out of your mo. Not a matter of being a bas ass. It's a matter of knowing I can handle myself when a punk like you gets in my face. Someone may beat me but they will have to bleed to do it. Looks like your posse has left you bomber boy. Your type is so predictable and easy.