Maintaining Seven Stars

Happy New Year Everyone!

As a newly invited (haha!) Seven Stars player, my mind is now turning to how best to maintain being Seven Stars if I so choose.

First a little bit about me (this will help to explain the naive questions I ask below). I am a middle-aged smart woman with a full time job (scientist in drug development) who enjoys playing but has always been (until the last 2 months) a very casual player. I research every game I play and try to understand and execute the best strategy to play but I am definitely not an AP (ie I don't count cards in BJ, or drive many miles to get the very best odds machine for VP). I am more of a card player (gravitate to BJ and VP), don't play slots at all, and don't know much at this point about other casino games. I also understand that unless I am an AP, that if I start gaming a lot more that I will have to expect eventual losses overall.

I really have two questions:

Do any of you have tips or tricks on earning TPs for for the smallest amount of loss? For example, are there any games besides VP that you would play to build TP (I am open to expanding the repertoire of games I play). Or is there is a good way to run money through certain types of games to build points while minimizing losses. It seems like low variance, low house percentage games would be the best for this purpose, but they also have to be some form of machine game because how they award TP at the tables really sucks

I already know about TP bonuses and my plan was to play about 20 sessions of VP to earn 2500 TP and get the 5000 bonus TP which would put me there. Also I plan to play on Thursdays because So Cal offers 5x reward credits (RC) every Thursday and I think it is fair to call those RC an offset to losses. I also know I likely won't have to play all 20 sessions because of TC promotions that are offered from time to time.

Next question, is there any good way to manage the bankroll/money thing? What I am thinking about most here is that it seems to me that the only way you might not have a loss with VP is by getting a royal flush and eventually over the very long haul those don't make a difference either. So should I just expect I could be down $10-15K or lower at some point playing $5 VP and that's just the way it is?

Finally a question about expected loss in VP. On the other thread there were a couple of comments about my expected loss for VP when I was playing the 25x promo. Alan and DD: Are you just doing a straight calculation of money run through machine x house percentage to get that figure? Also, I would be really interested in understanding how to calculate the range around that number based on variance/SD of a particular game. I read somewhere else that its a skewed distribution for VP, but those that play VP seriously they likely have a pretty good experiential understanding.

If you get this far, thanks for even taking the time to read all my newbie comments/questions. Cause as was said on another active thread - (paraphrasing) what idiot APs would actually want to be helpful to newbies?! :rolleyes:

Table games will give you low tier points. If you're playing for points avoid table games.

so I just found a 2014 thread on just about the same subject -it will be interesting to see if anything changes in the advice given or strategy now that we are 5 years later

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Table games will give you low tier points. If you're playing for points avoid table games.

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I agree with you about table games.

So in the an earlier thread (2014) I found where you said that you would play some VP games even with higher variance because of the potential to make more money on the quads. Do you still feel that way?

I am currently playing Aces Faces most of the time which is less variance than something like DB but more than JoB and does offer better payouts on some quads. What game do you like best now, considering that a lot has changed in VP over 5 years (new games, loss of many good pay table machines, etc)? Also for that type of machine do you set stop-loss or win limits or have some other way you manage the money each session and over time?

Thanks in advance!

When I used to play at Rincon I played Aces and Faces and Royal Aces Bonus. I also played their double double bonus $5 progressive BEFORE they downgraded the pay table.

On Royal Aces Bonus I usually played at $1. Quad aces paid $4,000.

Read this and tell me if you have any questions: https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...-around-the-US

I'd consider some slot play.
There's the whole area of AP on these that has gotten a lot of discussion here, where you look for high progressives and such. That requires a lot of knowledge and observation and could be an option if that catches your interest, but that whole area is geared more toward a goal of net win toward winning the progressive by investing what it takes, rather than coin churning with a defined small max loss to get maximum points with minimal loss which I think is your main goal.
For coin churning it would be multi line reels - the old school kind not the new flashy ones, with 9 lines on 5 reels or 5 lines on 3 reels - or 2 credit one line reels like Quick Hits - either $1 denomination (so $9/$5/$2 max bet) or $5 denomination for the 2 credit so $10 max. The RC multipliers I used to play didn't count VP so I used to churn out TCs on these. There's a lot of little wins plus the occasional big win so at worst I'd get a lot of TCs before you lose your money (I'd put $60 or $100 max in a $2 max bet, $300 in $5/$9/$10) or I'd keep winning and play until I got bored and moved on.
If this is something that interests you I can expand with a more detailed explanation of what type of machines I mean.

Play $1 multi line VP to smooth out the variance rather than $5 single line. 5000 tier per day, 10 days= 150,000.

$10,000 bankroll is probably enough on Job or Bonus poker, if you hit a Royal or two you may well end up a winner.

Thanks for the info Dankyone. I thought I had read that there was more variance in the multi-line games? And that if you could find a single line, good pay table at $5 that was a better way to go?

This is interesting pkspins and I have considered some slot play to supplement doing it through VP.

My mom is a Seven Stars slot player and she actually does pretty well. She was telling me about some machines that do basically what you are saying here (TC builder with minimum input and less loss). She even made the exact same comment you did- "just play until you're bored and then move on"! She also mentioned the 9 line older games.

If you know the names of the specific machines you are talking about above that would be great!

If Rincon still has 8/5 Aces and Faces it's probably your best video poker play. I haven't been there in a couple of years but when they downgraded Bonus Poker they left Aces and Faces at 8/5 on the $5 single line games.

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If Rincon still has 8/5 Aces and Faces it's probably your best video poker play. I haven't been there in a couple of years but when they downgraded Bonus Poker they left Aces and Faces at 8/5 on the $5 single line games.

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Yes! They still have them and that is what I have been playing. Thank you! What's kind of weird it that there are only 4 of theses machines in the casino (all side by side) and nobody is ever playing them - go figure.

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Read this and tell me if you have any questions: https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...-around-the-US

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Thanks Dan for this SUPER helpful information! I think that pretty much answered all my questions. I only have a couple of minor ones left:

Considering the number of hands of VP that have to be played to reach Seven Stars assuming the 1 TC/$10 and using the bonus method (2500 TC gives you 5000 TC) on a $5 standard type machine (like Aces and Faces) are you in the range of enough hands to hit a Royal?

I think this would be 20,000 hands total to get the 150,000 total TC?

I realize that one can hit a Royal at any time but trying to think about "on average."

My other question is: When I was a Ak-Chin - I was seeing machines that were 10 coin in rather than 5. Why do they have these and are the pay tables looked at any differently or just divide everything by 2 in the pay table to calculate the return? I also saw the ones with extra one or two coin in so now I know what that is about!

Also I think that the info on your other thread for So Cal needs to be updated - VPFREE2 is accurate except for one machine type missing (A-C-E-S).

Hi Slyfox:

The best concentration of good video poker in the CET empire is in Lake Tahoe. I also believe that at the end of each year points accumulated (after October) usually have some kind bonus points for the next year. You should keep that in mind as you plan on your subsequent Seven Stars quest in 2019. Finally, I second Dan druff's hyperlink on that previous discussion as the best basic source for making Seven Stars.

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This is interesting pkspins and I have considered some slot play to supplement doing it through VP.

My mom is a Seven Stars slot player and she actually does pretty well. She was telling me about some machines that do basically what you are saying here (TC builder with minimum input and less loss). She even made the exact same comment you did- "just play until you're bored and then move on"! She also mentioned the 9 line older games.

If you know the names of the specific machines you are talking about above that would be great!

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I don't remember all the names but I dug out some pictures for examples, and there's lots of variants in terms of symbols and names. They're all wins because those are the pictures I took, so the extremes of when coin churning turns into profit. You can win and you can lose and you can break even - it's gambling. I just keep my maximum input into a machine to a minimum - like maybe 30-40 spins worth of cash for $2-$5, less spins but maybe $300 or so for higher denominations, because if you aren't treading water by then you aren't going to be.

EDITED TO ADD - sorry all these pictures are sideways and huge, I don't think I've uploaded here before and don't have time to redo right now.

Quick Hits 2 credit. I've seen $1 and $5 denomination. For $5 you want the one where 3 QH on the line is $50K not the one that is $10K. Other than that for coin churn purposes either the ones that have an individual machine progressive for the 3 QH anywhere or the ones that just pay a standard $1k are fine. The ones in banks where the progressive is linked don't work as well. The progressives pay all over the place so I don't sweat those.



9 line 5 reels. Ones without progressives or bells and whistles stuff like respins, the ones that are versions of 3 reel one line traditional slots like Double Gold, Double or Double Triple Diamond, Double/Triple Strike, Red Hot Sevens, Triple Stars etc.. Ones with free games features can be ok but are more volatile. Here are some examples. As you can see from the denominations they aren't necessarily in HL rooms and are multi denom machines on the regular floor. There are $1 variants, so $9 max bet, in HL or outside HL at many casinos - like CP in LV has a ton of old ones in the slot area between the circular HL area and the cage around where the VP bank is near the restrooms. There are 20 line variants that look the same but I always seem to lose my money faster on those.


20 line 3 reels - typically lower denomination so the TC rack up slower but loss is usually minimal. More play for a while and if you win big run.


20 line 5 reels - on the regular slot floor with multi denomination. Same rules about progressives and types as the 9 line 5 reels above


9 line or 5 line 3 reel machines. The 9 line on the first picture I don't see too much, but the 5 line ones are everywhere. Easy to find $1 denomination in most HL areas or near them, variants of traditional 3 reel one line slots like Double Diamond, Triple Double Dollars, Triple Red Hot 7s etc.


Those are all pretty straightforward coin churners.

Some others that can be good but are more volatile so they don't always work for coin churning but have been good for it in the past for me are:

Pink Diamond Free Games. Preferable is the 25 line version, which at $1 denomination is $25 a spin, or less on a multidenomination machine. Less preferable is the 10 line version where you bet every 2 lines so at $5 denomination like CP LV has its $25 a spin. At $25 I won't put in more than $300 but within that you can get a lot of TC at $5 and often win $500 or more and take it and run, or just walk away even when you get bored. More common than HL versions are multi-denomination versions on the regular slot floor.


Traditional 3 or 4 reel 1 line slots, $5 denomination, 1-3 credit where playing max credits only matters in making the top payout a higher multiple of your bet than on lower levels. I prefer the ones that give a lot of little payouts - like Triple Diamond where if you get one symbol on the line you win.

I hope all of this helps. I can't find the slot finder for Rincon on Caesars to look at what they have to tell you specifics of what to check out or avoid there, but if you can find a link to it that works I can go through their list and give you more specific examples of things I would check out if I were there.

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Thanks for the info Dankyone. I thought I had read that there was more variance in the multi-line games? And that if you could find a single line, good pay table at $5 that was a better way to go?

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Five play $1 VP is much lower variance than $5 single play.

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Thanks for the info Dankyone. I thought I had read that there was more variance in the multi-line games? And that if you could find a single line, good pay table at $5 that was a better way to go?

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Five play $1 VP is much lower variance than $5 single play.

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Ok, I'm not arguing but not understanding either. In general I have read several sources that say variance is higher with a greater number of hands when looking at the same game. Here is one of the sources: https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/appendix/3/

So are you saying that because you are playing $1 on 5 lines versus $5 on one line that decreases the overall loss from variance when playing $25 total coin in in each case? Would you be willing to walk through that calculation using the variance info in the link I supplied above (this is where my math skills get a bit touch and go)?

Interesting stuff, thanks.

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This is interesting pkspins and I have considered some slot play to supplement doing it through VP.

My mom is a Seven Stars slot player and she actually does pretty well. She was telling me about some machines that do basically what you are saying here (TC builder with minimum input and less loss). She even made the exact same comment you did- "just play until you're bored and then move on"! She also mentioned the 9 line older games.

If you know the names of the specific machines you are talking about above that would be great!

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I hope all of this helps. I can't find the slot finder for Rincon on Caesars to look at what they have to tell you specifics of what to check out or avoid there, but if you can find a link to it that works I can go through their list and give you more specific examples of things I would check out if I were there.

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WOW!!! Thank you SO much pkspins! It is amazing how similar your thinking is to my mom's - she got her info the hard way - through a lot of blood, sweat, and tears on the casino floor. This kind of info gives me some confidence to try it out and see what happens!

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Originally Posted by Slyfox56

This is interesting pkspins and I have considered some slot play to supplement doing it through VP.

My mom is a Seven Stars slot player and she actually does pretty well. She was telling me about some machines that do basically what you are saying here (TC builder with minimum input and less loss). She even made the exact same comment you did- "just play until you're bored and then move on"! She also mentioned the 9 line older games.

If you know the names of the specific machines you are talking about above that would be great!

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I hope all of this helps. I can't find the slot finder for Rincon on Caesars to look at what they have to tell you specifics of what to check out or avoid there, but if you can find a link to it that works I can go through their list and give you more specific examples of things I would check out if I were there.

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WOW!!! Thank you SO much pkspins! It is amazing how similar your thinking is to my mom's - she got her info the hard way - through a lot of blood, sweat, and tears on the casino floor. This kind of info gives me some confidence to try it out and see what happens!

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I'm glad and again sorry my pictures are so outlandishly huge.
Your mom is a better resource because she knows your casino. The ones I shared are ones that have worked for me at most places. But you get to know the machines and what's good for this at one casino can be useless at another. At some places I play the QH 2 credits and the $1 9 line reels just eat your money. I just watch what I put in and don't get too far in the hole on any one machine and it kind of works out overall to about break even or better. My pictures are mostlyl from instances where it ended up better, or way better, but those weren't typical days.

I'm confused here.

Why would slots ever be a better choice than 99%-type VP to earn tier credits?

Slots have a very bad return.. something like 90-92%. I can't see where playing slots for tier credits would ever be a good idea, aside from a jackpot situation which temporarily makes the machine +EV or close to it.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I'm confused here.

Why would slots ever be a better choice than 99%-type VP to earn tier credits?

Slots have a very bad return.. something like 90-92%. I can't see where playing slots for tier credits would ever be a good idea, aside from a jackpot situation which temporarily makes the machine +EV or close to it.

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$10 = 1 Tier VP
$5 = 1 Tier Slots

Not sure how that adds up with the math.....

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I'm confused here.

Why would slots ever be a better choice than 99%-type VP to earn tier credits?

Slots have a very bad return.. something like 90-92%. I can't see where playing slots for tier credits would ever be a good idea, aside from a jackpot situation which temporarily makes the machine +EV or close to it.

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$10 = 1 Tier VP
$5 = 1 Tier Slots

Not sure how that adds up with the math.....

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I forgot about the difference in TC accrual for coin-in.
I suggested these slots because
1) she was looking for other ideas for games other than VP to accrue TC
2) the kinds I suggested can work well for that
3) these can also be handy for promotions that exclude VP, which is how I figured what I knew and shared out.
There is always luck involved, moreso that meeting the lifetime EV stat of VP, but by risking a minimum amount these would be a useful alternative for limited play to vary things from VP.

Did you read Jazbo's article referenced in the link you gave? I think he describes it better than the Wizard. A $1 5-play is less volatile than a $5 single line. At Rincon I like to play the $1 5-play 9/6 DDB in the Diamond lounge in addition to the $5 aces & faces.

The host at Rincon gave some very valuable information in mentioning the six month average. Use that to maximize your offers at other properties.

You'll probably get good offers from Ak-Chin but unfortunately they treat everyone as a local so unless you want to drive there every week you won't be able to take advantage of them.

Hey slyfox
that's so awesome. i'm trying hit 7 star this year (always diamond, haven't be able to become 7 star yet), and i'm using that TC bonus as strategy. I also go Harrah's on thursday because the 10X/5X promotion and i drive to there from Irvine. I went twice already this month and i already complete my diamond status for next year. i mainly play JoB but didn't fair so well, down about $2200. where are the 4 machines you said that locate at? do you have any other suggestion on my road to 7 stars? maybe i should start playing some slots too....lol

Hi Cloud and welcome. How many tier points do you have now for your $2200 loss, and what do you estimate 7 Stars will cost you?

What do you value the benefits of Seven Stars at?

Hi alan,
I have about 16k so I guess if I don’t make it back, my expected lost will be 22000? Lol

I never been 7s before, so I want to see if I can hit it and experience see if it’s worth keep it long term

Cloud... seven stars ain't what it used to be. Unless you need priority lines and priority parking, skip it. The days (nights) of unlimited comps are over.

Yeah, after the devaluation three years ago where they took away aspiration level, I know it’s not worth it anymore....
So do you think mgm platinum is better?

I have played very little at the MGM casinos so I have no knowledge of their programs. Perhaps someone else will respond.

Quick question alan,
You know how we all say if you hit a jackpot on slot machine, the likelihood of hitting it again on the same machine is very small....(we all know that’s not entirely true). So do you treat it the same way with VP? So let’s say we hit a 4 of kind, do you continue the same machine, or do you move on? I know this is base entirely on personal preference....but I just want to get your opinion

The results of one hand at VP have nothing to do with the next hand. Each hand is random and independent.

I've had runs with many quads in short order, and I've had runs where I didn't get a quad all day.

When I hit my $100k royals a couple of years ago, the royals happened to have been preceded by many quads. And after one of the $100k royals I got quad aces for $10k just a few hands later. But there was no connection. It just happened.

By the way, I only play VP on two high limit machines at Caesars. So there's no surprise that my big royals came on the same machine.

MGM platinum is not better than 7 stars and it is not meant to be - it is the equivalent of Diamond.

I see, so i guess it will be noir vs 7 stars, which one is better?

My understanding is Noir is very difficult to get for a video poker player. I've pretty much given up at MGM properties. A year ago I did Platinum in a day ($200,000 coin in) and waited for the offers to roll in. The best I ever got was $50 free play.

Hi,
Good data point lol. I guess 7 stars still the only way to go.
Anyone else venture into other casino status? Like Venetian, cosmo, or the local one like palace station, etc

My wife and I were both Platinum at Cosmo but after we both hit a $5 royal on the same night the offers disappeared. Read what Monet has to say about Stations. We're both Chairman at Stations but we approach it as non-locals. Good offers but we expect to get cut off at some point. The cruises aren't as good through Stations since they don't guarantee a cabin category.

I'm interested to see what the merger of Marquee Rewards and mychoice brings about.

Please be aware that your offers (freeplay, rooms, food, etc) are NOT related at all to your tier level.

For example, there are some Gold (bottom tier) players getting better offers than Seven Stars (top tier) players at Caesars properties.

Tier leves are about guaranteed benefits, and offers are about your ADT (average daily theoretical loss in recent trips).

Many people erroneously think, "If I get to Seven Stars, I'm going to start getting some great offers", and then they're rudely disappointed.

The best way to get offers is, with a new card (or one you haven't used in 18+ months), come in once, run a good deal of play in a single day, leave, and then put the card in a drawer and don't touch it for 2-3 months. Do not use it for anything -- not parking, not play, not food, not anything. Do not redeem the first offers which come.

That will be your best way of getting offers, though they won't last long.

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My wife and I were both Platinum at Cosmo but after we both hit a $5 royal on the same night the offers disappeared. Read what Monet has to say about Stations. We're both Chairman at Stations but we approach it as non-locals. Good offers but we expect to get cut off at some point. The cruises aren't as good through Stations since they don't guarantee a cabin category.

I'm interested to see what the merger of Marquee Rewards and mychoice brings about.

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It's unlikely they killed your offers for hitting the two $5 royals ($20k each).

Casinos don't care about short-term luck.

They probably killed your offers because you weren't playing up to the standards they expected (compared to your play which earned the Platinum in the first place).

The only thing the two royals did was (probably) put you up lifetime there, which would remove any possible good graces the computer might have given you if you had run badly before that. You aren't usually punished for winning, offers-wise, but it does negate being rewarded for past losses.

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Please be aware that your offers (freeplay, rooms, food, etc) are NOT related at all to your tier level.

For example, there are some Gold (bottom tier) players getting better offers than Seven Stars (top tier) players at Caesars properties.

Tier leves are about guaranteed benefits, and offers are about your ADT (average daily theoretical loss in recent trips).

Many people erroneously think, "If I get to Seven Stars, I'm going to start getting some great offers", and then they're rudely disappointed.

The best way to get offers is, with a new card (or one you haven't used in 18+ months), come in once, run a good deal of play in a single day, leave, and then put the card in a drawer and don't touch it for 2-3 months. Do not use it for anything -- not parking, not play, not food, not anything. Do not redeem the first offers which come.

That will be your best way of getting offers, though they won't last long.

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This is very good advice but isn't 18+ months a little long? I've always used 6-12 months depending on the property.

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My wife and I were both Platinum at Cosmo but after we both hit a $5 royal on the same night the offers disappeared. Read what Monet has to say about Stations. We're both Chairman at Stations but we approach it as non-locals. Good offers but we expect to get cut off at some point. The cruises aren't as good through Stations since they don't guarantee a cabin category.

I'm interested to see what the merger of Marquee Rewards and mychoice brings about.

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It's unlikely they killed your offers for hitting the two $5 royals ($20k each).

Casinos don't care about short-term luck.

They probably killed your offers because you weren't playing up to the standards they expected (compared to your play which earned the Platinum in the first place).

The only thing the two royals did was (probably) put you up lifetime there, which would remove any possible good graces the computer might have given you if you had run badly before that. You aren't usually punished for winning, offers-wise, but it does negate being rewarded for past losses.

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We put in a lot of play but I think the theo of the 9/6 JoB isn't very good there.

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Happy New Year Everyone!

As a newly invited (haha!) Seven Stars player, my mind is now turning to how best to maintain being Seven Stars if I so choose.


Do any of you have tips or tricks on earning TPs for for the smallest amount of loss? For example, are there any games besides VP that you would play to build TP (I am open to expanding the repertoire of games I play). Or is there is a good way to run money through certain types of games to build points while minimizing losses. It seems like low variance, low house percentage games would be the best for this purpose, but they also have to be some form of machine game because how they award TP at the tables really sucks


If you get this far, thanks for even taking the time to read all my newbie comments/questions. Cause as was said on another active thread - (paraphrasing) what idiot APs would actually want to be helpful to newbies?! :rolleyes:

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Hi Slyfox:

There is now a February 2X Tier Bonus (up to 25,000) if you opt in and play in February.

Here is the opt-in link:

https://www.caesars.com/total-reward...dit-multiplier


The terms and conditions are here:

https://www.caesars.com/total-reward...dit-multiplier

That should get you started in increasing tiers on your way to maintaining Seven Stars.

FAB

Thanks for that tip, FAB.

I didn't know about this.

For those wondering, this does NOT double your daily bonus. It only doubles base tiers.

However, this does allow you to earn 10,000 total tiers for 2,500 base tiers of play in a day, or 20,000 tiers for 5,000 base tiers play in a day.

This does NOT really help Diamond in a Day attempts, but you could earn Diamond optimally by doing the following:

Day 1: Play 2500 tiers, earn 2500 from this promo and another 5k from the normal bonus, totaling 10k

Day 2: Play 1000 tiers, earn 1000 from this promo and another 1k from the normal bonus, totaling 3k.

Day 3: Play 1000 tiers, which will get you another 3k in the same fashion.

So you actually have to play 4500 base tiers doing this, rather than 5000. But it would take 3 separate days.

Another option is to use this to help yourself to get to 25k so you can access the lounges. That could be accomplished by playing 5000 base tiers on day 1 (20k), 1000 on day 2, and 1000 on day 3 (or alternatively, 2500 on Day 2 and nothing on Day 3), and that would get you there.

They now give you 10KTP for signing-up 20 people to CR (500 TP/person) and 5TP/$ spent on hotel rates.

does anyone know about if there is a June 2X promotion?

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does anyone know about if there is a June 2X promotion?

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I am unaware of any such CET promotion although a specific property may have them time to time. Those kind of system wide promotions typically occur in the beginning or end of a year. Right now there is a mish-mash of "Challenges", "Leaderboard" and "badges" which do not trigger many points.

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does anyone know about if there is a June 2X promotion?

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I am unaware of any such CET promotion although a specific property may have them time to time. Those kind of system wide promotions typically occur in the beginning or end of a year. Right now there is a mish-mash of "Challenges", "Leaderboard" and "badges" which do not trigger many points.

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They did a 2X promotion last year in June.

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Read this and tell me if you have any questions: https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...-around-the-US

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From your experience with the 9/6 JoB machines in Lake Tahoe, what would be the required bankroll to earn 2.5k TP on 8 hands with 0.25$/credit, please?

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From your experience with the 9/6 JoB machines in Lake Tahoe, what would be the required bankroll to earn 2.5k TP on 8 hands with 0.25$/credit, please?

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I ran super badly though I played 5-handed $1.

If you bring $3000, you should probably be safe. But it's always better to bring too much just in case.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Read this and tell me if you have any questions: https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...-around-the-US

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From your experience with the 9/6 JoB machines in Lake Tahoe, what would be the required bankroll to earn 2.5k TP on 8 hands with 0.25$/credit, please?

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I ran super badly though I played 5-handed $1.

If you bring $3000, you should probably be safe. But it's always better to bring too much just in case.

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There was someone in the high limit at Harrah playing 45K in one 9/6 JoB machine and 35K in the other!

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Originally Posted by skyscanner

There was someone in the high limit at Harrah playing 45K in one 9/6 JoB machine and 35K in the other!

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Skyscanner are you saying you tried to play the two 50 play machines and could not get on and also did not expect to soon given the balance of credits in the machines?

I was at Harrahs Lake Tahoe this weekend and among other machines, played a 50 Play machine which had both 9/6 Jacks and 8/5 Bonus Poker. I played at the quarter denomination and at the time was focused on earning points. I see two 50 play machines at Harrahs High Limit and I think they are pretty good at getting points. I like to earn points to "Pay" for the room and comps and any promos, then play craps which earn very few points at Harrahs and Harveys in Lake Tahoe.

To me one of the obstacles of video poker is the variance in that unless you hit a royal, you will be down about two percent of the pay back. My thought in playing the 50 play machine is that I would have a much better chance of hitting royal. It worked out this time.

As you can see, I was dealt a flush on Bonus Poker but it was four to a royal. So I threw away the 9 of diamonds and came up with two royals. I did a close up so you can see the two royal hits.

FAB

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by skyscanner

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Read this and tell me if you have any questions: https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...-around-the-US

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From your experience with the 9/6 JoB machines in Lake Tahoe, what would be the required bankroll to earn 2.5k TP on 8 hands with 0.25$/credit, please?

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I ran super badly though I played 5-handed $1.

If you bring $3000, you should probably be safe. But it's always better to bring too much just in case.

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The proper bankroll for single line $1 9/6 JoB to avoid RoR is $11,000. $3000 is FAR too small a bankroll to be playing five-play dollar 9/6 JoB with. But you played at a Harrah's property. That is what most people do there.

is there a 99.95% nines or better at Caesars Windsor?

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Originally Posted by pkspins

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Originally Posted by jpfromla

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I'm confused here.

Why would slots ever be a better choice than 99%-type VP to earn tier credits?

Slots have a very bad return.. something like 90-92%. I can't see where playing slots for tier credits would ever be a good idea, aside from a jackpot situation which temporarily makes the machine +EV or close to it.

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$10 = 1 Tier VP
$5 = 1 Tier Slots

Not sure how that adds up with the math.....

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I forgot about the difference in TC accrual for coin-in.
I suggested these slots because
1) she was looking for other ideas for games other than VP to accrue TC
2) the kinds I suggested can work well for that
3) these can also be handy for promotions that exclude VP, which is how I figured what I knew and shared out.
There is always luck involved, moreso that meeting the lifetime EV stat of VP, but by risking a minimum amount these would be a useful alternative for limited play to vary things from VP.

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There is one such promotion, I mean one that pkspins mentioned at 3) above at Harrah's Ak-Chin where they award you a 2-5X Tier multiplier on July 12th. Unfortunately, VP is excluded, so one must play slots or keno instead.