TROLLING / DAN

I’m sure everyone knows by now I’ve been removed from the “casino cheating” thread.

It’s obvious Dan didn’t read the entire thread or just caved in from the PM’s he must have gotten from the numerous forum AP click. There’s a lot of that PM shit going on here. When you put their backs against the wall they gang up on you in the threads, and if they get nowhere they must gang up on Dan with PM’s. If he bothered to read the thread, he would have seen who started the troubles. I posted challenges concerning casinos cheating.

Dan claims to be an advocator of free speech. That comment combined with his actions confirms he’s a bullshit artist to.

Maybe he needs to believe in the 90% bullshit being printed here hoping there might be a future in it for him. It appears anyone that calls out these alleged un-proven claims is anti AP or a troll.

For example, in that pathetic thread multi-carding Monet started. Dan had the balls to post this comment quote:

“The tips posted by monet in this thread are good, and I like to see threads like these.
Please don't attack him or others posting such tips, either because you are anti-AP in some way or because you feel he's giving away too much secret info.”

Running around all different hours of the day and night, with pockets full of other people’s cards, slivering around like a snake, knowing what to say, or act like a drunk unaware of your surroundings if questioned, hoping not to get thrown out.

Are you fucking kidding here Dan. You’re a confirmed poker pro for crying out loud. Did you blow everything already?

Alleged forum AP’s attack everyone with all sorts of adjectives when challenged, which is a result of after being made to look like a fool that’s their last resort. They certainly can’t back up most of the claims they make, and specialize in twisting and turning their previous comments around like the master of bullshit KJ.

KJ, Boz, Reditz, Mickey, (2-bit) can attack all they want even when not mentioned in a thread. Mickey came after me with guns a blazing in that thread not even being mentioned.

Based on Dan’s action’s and definition of trolling, every single poster on this site is a big-time troll.

So, Dan if you’re going to be fair, no problem. Sadly, I don’t think you will be. You don’t have enough posters to do that and your decisions are purely based on the site’s future. So, stop with the bullshit of how righteous of a free speech advocate you are. You’ve made it clear how much of a frugal person you are. If this place has anything to do with money than your erroneous actions are understood. The last thing you need here is someone trying to separate the facts from fiction.

If you read that thread you had to ignore all the other trolling and obviously after you realized I made a fool out of KJ decided to single me out. No problem pal. I already made my point in that thread, and as long as I could still post, I will question anyone I don’t believe in the future. So free speech advocate, you have a decision to make.

MONET, that’s right I posted this thread in the Las Vegas section. I don’t think many people read the other sections unless of course there is trolling going on. So, for the record … fuck-off tough guy.

Not sure why you are always pissed off at me?
I have never asked for you to be banned or deleted.
Never asked that you or anyone's posts be deleted or banned from a thread.
As a matter of fact when you started posting I would question what your point of view was.
Trying to understand your side.
You do not agree with what I talk about.
I get it.
No big deal to me.
I am not running around behind your back tattling on you.
For the most part I ignore you.
Obviously you can never ignore me.
If you seriously have a problem with me and want to confront it in person just let me know when and where.

Blackhole, You made a fool out of me? (where is the damn rolling on the floor laughing emoji?). Only in your alternative world did you make a fool of me.

What claims did I make? I posted to a thread from another forum, where a poster, claiming to be a dealer or former dealer had some interesting, (disturbing if true) things to say. I said players, both AP's and non-AP's should read for themselves and decide whether they find this credible and if it is disturbing to them.

You attacked me for that, because you will attack anything I say. Everyone knows it. If you don't you must be lying to yourself. In this case you attacked me, concerning my stepfather throwing me out of the house almost 2 decades ago, when I was 18 and still in high school. Like that had what to do with anything? You my friend (not really) are obsessed with me, who you don't even know. Some sort of bizarre hatred. Everyone sees it, that's why others have commented about that. You really need to look in the mirror and deal with your issues. And by the way, when you do look in the mirror, if it doesn't break, you will see the image of the person who was made a fool of....and by himself.

You SHOULD have been removed from that thread. You SHOULD be removed from the forum, because you add nothing. Never a damn thing. All you want to do is attack and be disruptive.

I should post the image...your image of the baby crying, cause that is what you are doing. Just grow the fuck up and start acting your age.

Damn everyone hates everyone. Cliff notes plz?

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Cliff notes plz?

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Ok cliff notes: Blackhole is a bitter, old, anti-AP, troll, who seems to have a particular obsession with me. That short enough for ya, RS_? ;)


Want to know his next move. I'll bet he is petitioning Dan to have me banned from this thread. BUT since this is a trolling thread, I am right on topic. :cool:

Blackhole is a bitter sad pathetic friendless person lashing out at everyone without rhyme or reason.

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Damn everyone hates everyone.

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Ahem. Pretty much. Haven't you noticed that to be a common trend in the casinos you frequent? Or forums?

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Damn everyone hates everyone.

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Ahem. Pretty much. Haven't you noticed that to be a common trend in the casinos you frequent? Or forums?

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while your question was rhetorical, I feel it deserves a real answer.

No, I don't see it that way in the casinos, anyway.

People don't hate each other: they ignore each other, at least at the machines.

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Ahem. Pretty much. Haven't you noticed that to be a common trend in the casinos you frequent? Or forums?

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while your question was rhetorical, I feel it deserves a real answer.

No, I don't see it that way in the casinos, anyway.

People don't hate each other: they ignore each other, at least at the machines.

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The employees all seem to get along. Granted, the machine players look to be very focused, yet relaxed. Like someone unwinding from a stressful job. But I've seen some humdinger's at the tables. The sports book regulars? Well, I can't quite describe it. Winning the bet isn't enough. Being king of the mountain is the goal. or One Flew over the Coo Coo's nest. Mixed the out of towners from the Bay in with the regulars = Chaos quite often.

Craps can be a social event, as can other table games, no question.

I enjoy kibbitzing with the dealers and other players while rolling dem bones, but rearely interact with others while playing slots, nor do they interact with others.

Were I looking to meet a woman I'd surely not hit on her while she's playing slots: I'd make a move on one at the casino bar instead.

Location, location.

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Were I looking to meet a woman I'd surely not hit on her while she's playing slots: I'd make a move on one at the casino bar instead.
Location, location.

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Consider the spots where EITS can't see
And That is where your Hookers will be.

They seem to frequent the bars nearest to the sports book. For best results, to meet a woman, hang out at the bar at or near the entertainment stage. Asking them to dance is a easy ice breaker. Out of towners are best if you're not wanting commitment. Worst if you are.

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Craps can be a social event, as can other table games, no question.

I enjoy kibbitzing with the dealers and other players while rolling dem bones, but rearely interact with others while playing slots, nor do they interact with others.

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I thought you don't play craps?

No, I still play craps, just not as often as I used to.

My main games are high limit Double 3X4X5X Pay and Double Diamond.

Blackhole, I'm sure if most users here were polled, they would say that your troll content is far more common than your useful content.

This frustrates me, and there's been points when I've been very close to banning you.

Even if you want to state that banning you from that particular thread was unfair, you can't make the case that you haven't done a large amount of trolling on this forum.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Even if you want to state that banning you from that particular thread was unfair, you can't make the case that you haven't done a large amount of trolling on this forum.

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You and I both know I don't have a leg to stand on here. You're an alleged forum AP. Your prosecutor, judge, and jury. My case is already closed. I'm just in a holding cell waiting before I have to serve my sentence.

By the way while we're communicating. Are you going to do anything about KJ's obvious sock? Bob21

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Blackhole, I'm sure if most users here were polled, they would say that your troll content is far more common than your useful content.

This frustrates me, and there's been points when I've been very close to banning you.

Even if you want to state that banning you from that particular thread was unfair, you can't make the case that you haven't done a large amount of trolling on this forum.

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Dan there are others who are just trolling here. But you singled out Blackhole.

I'll sum up BH:

"AP is possible but nobody is getting away with it and the ones that say they are, are liars."

Let him keep telling people this!

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Originally Posted by jbjb

I'll sum up BH:

"AP is possible but nobody is getting away with it and the ones that say they are, are liars."

Let him keep telling people this!

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And he has a right to say it.

I think there are APs who do make money. But I want some proof of the extraordinary claims. And yes, Rob Singer never proved his claims with tax returns. We've been there, done that. But it's the $800 an hour claims I question.

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I'll sum up BH:

"AP is possible but nobody is getting away with it and the ones that say they are, are liars."

Let him keep telling people this!

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And he has a right to say it.

I think there are APs who do make money. But I want some proof of the extraordinary claims. And yes, Rob Singer never proved his claims with tax returns. We've been there, done that. But it's the $800 an hour claims I question.

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Couple of things.

You don't travel the country to find and play these $800 an hour games like we do. You stick to just a few casinos there in Vegas. When was the last time you were inside scouting tables and machines in Missouri or Mississippi?

You only go to a few areas of a casino. We'll check every square foot out.

You don't look for casino "mistakes" like we do.

I'm sure there are others. If you did what we do, you'd find those huge plays and more as well.

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I'll sum up BH:

"AP is possible but nobody is getting away with it and the ones that say they are, are liars."

Let him keep telling people this!

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And he has a right to say it.

I think there are APs who do make money. But I want some proof of the extraordinary claims. And yes, Rob Singer never proved his claims with tax returns. We've been there, done that. But it's the $800 an hour claims I question.

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Couple of things.

You don't travel the country to find and play these $800 an hour games like we do.

You only go to a few areas of a casino. We'll check every square foot out.

You don't look for casino "mistakes" like we do.

I'm sure there are others. If you did what we do, you'd find those huge plays and more as well.

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More of your unsubstantiated AP secrets.

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I'll sum up BH:

"AP is possible but nobody is getting away with it and the ones that say they are, are liars."

Let him keep telling people this!

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And he has a right to say it.

I think there are APs who do make money. But I want some proof of the extraordinary claims. And yes, Rob Singer never proved his claims with tax returns. We've been there, done that. But it's the $800 an hour claims I question.

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Who made the $800 an hour claim? Before you said $500, now it's $800. Most AP's don't claim to be constantly making large amounts per hour. Plays do and have come up that are worth hundreds or even thousands per hour, but its not that often.

Bob21 is not kewlJ. Nowhere near one another.

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Bob21 is not kewlJ. Nowhere near one another.

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Is he from the east coast? Regardless, many more ways to create a sock not from your own IP. I'd bet the ranch on BOB21 is a KJ sock.

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Bob21 is not kewlJ. Nowhere near one another.

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Is he from the east coast? Regardless, many more ways to create a sock not from your own IP. I'd bet the ranch on BOB21 is a KJ sock.

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I have a lot of ways to tell if it's a true IP or an attempt to hide.

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I'll sum up BH:

"AP is possible but nobody is getting away with it and the ones that say they are, are liars."

Let him keep telling people this!

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And he has a right to say it.

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Sure. I don't have a problem with him being anti AP. He just needs to leave all the smearing, insulting, and name calling out of it. If he can do that he won't have a problem.

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And he has a right to say it.

I think there are APs who do make money. But I want some proof of the extraordinary claims. And yes, Rob Singer never proved his claims with tax returns. We've been there, done that. But it's the $800 an hour claims I question.

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Couple of things.

You don't travel the country to find and play these $800 an hour games like we do.

You only go to a few areas of a casino. We'll check every square foot out.

You don't look for casino "mistakes" like we do.

I'm sure there are others. If you did what we do, you'd find those huge plays and more as well.

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More of your unsubstantiated AP secrets.

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Yes, and pretty much going to stay unsubstantiated. The last think you do is broadcast it when you find it unless you want other AP's to move in and take the money. Also, it is not a requirement that it be substantiated to you. If you don't believe it no one cares.

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Couple of things.

You don't travel the country to find and play these $800 an hour games like we do.

You only go to a few areas of a casino. We'll check every square foot out.

You don't look for casino "mistakes" like we do.

I'm sure there are others. If you did what we do, you'd find those huge plays and more as well.

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More of your unsubstantiated AP secrets.

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Yes, and pretty much going to stay unsubstantiated. The last think you do is broadcast it when you find it unless you want other AP's to move in and take the money. Also, it is not a requirement that it be substantiated to you. If you don't believe it no one cares.

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Exactly Mickey. It's better if they don't believe us.

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And he has a right to say it.

I think there are APs who do make money. But I want some proof of the extraordinary claims. And yes, Rob Singer never proved his claims with tax returns. We've been there, done that. But it's the $800 an hour claims I question.

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Couple of things.

You don't travel the country to find and play these $800 an hour games like we do.

You only go to a few areas of a casino. We'll check every square foot out.

You don't look for casino "mistakes" like we do.

I'm sure there are others. If you did what we do, you'd find those huge plays and more as well.

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More of your unsubstantiated AP secrets.

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That dealer I showed you should substantiate them. At 2 x $400 a hand and at a conservative 8% edge (13% if played perfectly like hitting 19 vs 20) and another conservative 45 rounds per hour, that's $2880 an hour for that player.

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I'll sum up BH:

"AP is possible but nobody is getting away with it and the ones that say they are, are liars."

Let him keep telling people this!

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And he has a right to say it.

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Sure. I don't have a problem with him being anti AP. He just needs to leave all the smearing, insulting, and name calling out of it. If he can do that he won't have a problem.

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My point is that there are other posters here who just do smearing, insulting and name calling and Dan dies not ban them. In fact, one of them was banned and then Dan lifted his ban and he was back at it.

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$2880 an hour for that player.

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How many hours are you permitted to play at that earn rate?

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It's better if they don't believe us.

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Why is it better not to be believed?

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$2880 an hour for that player.

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How many hours are you permitted to play at that earn rate?

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It's better if they don't believe us.

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Why is it better not to be believed?

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Get a crew and figure it out yourself.

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It's better if they don't believe us.

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Why is it better not to be believed?

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Get a crew and figure it out yourself.

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A crew can help explain why someone would make over 2000 posts on a forum, with the preference not to be believed?

Call me naïve. But it is just barely possible Bob in a new member and a previous lurker?

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Bob21 is not kewlJ. Nowhere near one another.

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I’ll try once again to explain who I am and why I registered on this site. I’ve already done it once but apparently blackhole missed it. I’m a part time counter who has been lurking on these sites for one or two years.

My motive for registering on this site was to ask Moses a question about his system, since he does something different than Hilo, which is my system...and btw what most people use.

When I asked my questions I probably was somewhat complementary of Moses and KJ. That usually helps in getting a decent response, which is what I got. Since I’ve been busy this weekend with other things, I haven’t had a chance to thank KJ for his answer to my question. But it was much appreciated and helped me understand his views (the pros and cons) of team play. Thank you!

As far as being a sock of somebody I would think blackhole would see me as Moses’s sock rather than KJ, since most of my complementary posts have been toward Moses. Moses is by far my favorite poster due to his creative way he expresses himself. He has a unique and creative sense of humor. I do go on Zenzone at least once a day to see if he’s posted something there.

I like this forum and the fact that Dan is slow to ban people and lets people express their views in the way they want, even thought it might hurt someone’s sensibilities. I don’t mind ridicule, sarcasm or being poked fun at because I like to do some of that myself. It makes these forums interesting adds some spark to them. A little creative name calling never hurt anybody, if it isn’t taken too far that is.

With this said, it does seem like blackhole has an agenda that I’m having a hard time understanding. He seems to be a bitter person that just likes to cause trouble because he doesn’t have anything better to do. I actually feel sorry for him.

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Who made the $800 an hour claim? Before you said $500, now it's $800. Most AP's don't claim to be constantly making large amounts per hour. Plays do and have come up that are worth hundreds or even thousands per hour, but its not that often.

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I dunno Axel. If I'm making $800 or $500 an hour, it's for damn sure I'm not going to broadcast it. Someone may want to occupy my seat. Shrewd. My money investments make far more than my money and time investments. If other words, if I'm travelling, it makes it damn hard to bet on games (out of state). If my ass is in a leather seat at a blackjack table, chasing the almighty EV, then it's difficult to know what the market is doing. Plus there is the health considerations. I can workout while watching a game. But jump down off your chair in the middle of a casino and start doing pushups? Probably going to get some strange looks. :D

I'll be honest, something still just doesn't feel right to me about this. But anyway, even if you have a sock that is asking someone legitimate questions, one of the good things is that if you answer, you are not only answering that sock but providing that answer for others, maybe even others that will read at some point in the future. That is precisely why I still answered Bob21, even when I suspected he might be a sock.

And given what has become public today, I have more thoughts/opinion for Bob21, not that he has asked me. My only problem now, is to figure out where to post those thoughts since my suggestion that the Moses/ Bob21 blackjack discussion be broken off into it's own thread wasn't done. So this is all over the place now, in multiple threads. :(

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I actually feel sorry for him.

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I wouldn't feel too sorry for Blackhole. HE probably has his ducks in a row far better than most. My friend 82 year young friend Lou gets pissed at more stuff around him that I don't even notice. I swear, he will jump, and it's like he heard a fly fart in a casino 3 miles away. But he's got a ton of savvy and knowledge. But Lou loves to get under peoples skin...and he is damn good at it. Hmmm. Maybe Blackhole is Lou?

Maybe it's like Dylan Thomas wrote:

"Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light."

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With this said, it does seem like blackhole has an agenda that I’m having a hard time understanding. He seems to be a bitter person that just likes to cause trouble because he doesn’t have anything better to do. I actually feel sorry for him.

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You told me this more than once KJ. Just like all your other stories, but I'm really having a hard time excepting how far you're willing to take this one.

You even started a thread for the 3 of you. LOL

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With this said, it does seem like blackhole has an agenda that I’m having a hard time understanding. He seems to be a bitter person that just likes to cause trouble because he doesn’t have anything better to do. I actually feel sorry for him.

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You told me this more than once KJ. Just like all your other stories, but I'm really having a hard time excepting how far you're willing to take this one.

You even started a thread for the 3 of you. LOL

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Look numb-nuts you made your accusation. The forum owner looked into it and gave you a definite 'no. Not an "I don't thinks so" or "not likely" I definite 'NO'.

Now I am not a tech guy, so I don't know much about these changing IP address techniques. And that is why each time I have attempted to use sock puppets I have been "caught" immediately. And for the record, those times were not for the purpose of adding credibility to my claims or anything I says as most sock puppets are. I simply wanted to continue to participate on forums that I was banned from. I used handles like Kewlj-2, kewlj-3 at WoV, (maybe it was KJ 2 & 3) and the third time LVkid. None of which were trying to hide who I was for the purpose of tricking anyone. Just wanted to voice my opinion.

The final time on a different site, I did use spiderman. But again, I wasn't trying to trick anyone. I went out of my way for the members of that forum to know who I was. I just had something very important I wanted to share with the community (ASM cheating experience).

So you see, you are acting like a dope. You made your false accusation based on your obsession with me. Dan Druff unequivocally told you that you were wrong. And Dan Druff is an expert in this field. And just like everything else, you refuse to accept reality. Always the same thing with you guys. You live in the twi-light zone.

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And he has a right to say it.

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Sure. I don't have a problem with him being anti AP. He just needs to leave all the smearing, insulting, and name calling out of it. If he can do that he won't have a problem.

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My point is that there are other posters here who just do smearing, insulting and name calling and Dan dies not ban them. In fact, one of them was banned and then Dan lifted his ban and he was back at it.

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I think he is out of gas somewhere on 80 looking to suck cock to get to the next truck stop. That $293 in EV might come in handy helping your friend stuck on the road.

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Look numb-nuts you made your accusation.

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Now that was FUNNY!;)

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I think he is out of gas somewhere on 80 looking to suck cock to get to the next truck stop. .

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm3iwINTF90


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