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Yeah, for some reason Moses came to my mind. If I recall correctly he said he only bought one blackjack book in his life and that was "Beat the Dealer" which presents an outdated 10 count. I think most of us have at least a dozen blackjack books.
Okay I know he has Norm's software, but only one book on blackjack seems kind of strange.
Could be a couple of reasons- not knowing how to read is usually a major drawback in the desire to purchase a book...reading usually isn’t the #1 hobby of degenerate hobos...or he simply could be too busy getting it on with Sandra BullockQuote:
Originally Posted by Midwest Player
Just have to love when the true yellow glow of spineless alleged forum AP’s shines when they know they can’t get a response from who they attack.
Hey geriatric shithead...first off, I’ve never claimed anywhere that I’m an AP, second, I conversed with him when he was here also...and third, go swig your usual morning 1/2 gallon of Maalox and go yell at some kids walking on their way to school, you miserable old fuckQuote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
No need to claim anything. It's obvious you're still just a yellow glowing spinless fucking idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keystone
(Little girls voice)...Wahhhh, KewlJ tells too many lies....wahhhh, Dan is an AP and bans me from threads....wahhh, Redietz is weird....wahhhh, I hate Mickey.....take your fuckin skirt off and put on some pants, you fuckin whiny hagQuote:
Originally Posted by blackholeNo need to claim anything. It's obvious you're still just a yellow glowing spinless fucking idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keystone
That is not quite true. Moses does in fact return replies from his own broadcasting island, that has a much larger audience than here, and I suspect he likes the arrangement.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Pertaining to MWP's point that Moses saying that he only bought one blackjack book in his life, in fairness to him, I do not believe that there are two blackjack books strictly about single deck on the market. Just how many single deck pros are out there? You can probably count them all on one hand, and still have fingers left over. Thus heated discussions happen because you just cannot evenly compare a single deck game and a shoe game, neither can you compare ten pin, and candlepin bowling.
You forgot one thing. Wahhh, I could point out a yellow glowing spinless fucking idiot from a mile away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keystone
That’s a good question Bosox. It really depends on how many people you count for Moses. Does he count as one person or multiple people? We still haven’t resolved that whole Moses/Tater thing. If Moses counts as multiple people you might not have as many fingers left over as think.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Sorry Moses, I couldn’t resist when I saw this post by Bosox.
The fucking guy is not even here anymore. Why don't you and BOBO take your childishness nonsense back to where you came from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21That’s a good question Bosox. It really depends on how many people you count for Moses. Does he count as one person or multiple people? We still haven’t resolved that whole Moses/Tater thing. If Moses counts as multiple people you might not have as many fingers left over as think.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Sorry Moses, I couldn’t resist when I saw this post by Bosox.
Yeah, but Moses’s presence lives on. He was only here a short time but he made his mark while he was here.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeThe fucking guy is not even here anymore. Why don't you and BOBO take your childishness nonsense back to where you came from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21That’s a good question Bosox. It really depends on how many people you count for Moses. Does he count as one person or multiple people? We still haven’t resolved that whole Moses/Tater thing. If Moses counts as multiple people you might not have as many fingers left over as think.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Sorry Moses, I couldn’t resist when I saw this post by Bosox.
If you don’t enjoy threads with Moses in them, then don’t open them. It’s as simple as that. Why do you want to be a kill joy for everyone else? Moses has developed a cult following as noted by the large number of views he gets on zenzone. Threads with Moses in the title also get quite a few views here so it looks like other people enjoy them here too.
You seem like a bitter ‘ol person who wants everyone to be as miserable as you. You make troll posts all the time that have no value. When other people do it, you lose your marbles. Lighten up!
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Originally Posted by Bob21That’s a good question Bosox. It really depends on how many people you count for Moses. Does he count as one person or multiple people? We still haven’t resolved that whole Moses/Tater thing. If Moses counts as multiple people you might not have as many fingers left over as think.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Sorry Moses, I couldn’t resist when I saw this post by Bosox.
Good point, when your right your right I give you that. The only way I can actually tell is when the real Moses says you need to switch the values of the 2 and the 7 or said another way drop the 2 and count the 7.
What I’ve noticed after reviewing several of Tater’s posts on BJTF is they both have a habit of saying “No?”. Could just be a coincidence or could be something more. This could be something that needs to be explored more by the Forensic Files.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxQuote:
Originally Posted by Bob21That’s a good question Bosox. It really depends on how many people you count for Moses. Does he count as one person or multiple people? We still haven’t resolved that whole Moses/Tater thing. If Moses counts as multiple people you might not have as many fingers left over as think.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Sorry Moses, I couldn’t resist when I saw this post by Bosox.
Good point, when your right your right I give you that. The only way I can actually tell is when the real Moses says you need to switch the values of the 2 and the 7 or said another way drop the 2 and count the 7.
Don’t mind Mr Hole. He’s already had a busy morning with kicking the neighbors dog, yelling at an old lady that stepped on his lawn, and verbally assaulting the mailmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Bob21Yeah, but Moses’s presence lives on. He was only here a short time but he made his mark while he was here.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeThe fucking guy is not even here anymore. Why don't you and BOBO take your childishness nonsense back to where you came from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21
If you don’t enjoy threads with Moses in them, then don’t open them. It’s as simple as that. Why do you want to be a kill joy for everyone else? Moses has developed a cult following as noted by the large number of views he gets on zenzone. Threads with Moses in the title also get quite a few views here so it looks like other people enjoy them here too.
You seem like a bitter ‘ol person who wants everyone to be as miserable as you. You make troll posts all the time that have no value. When other people do it, you lose your marbles. Lighten up!
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Originally Posted by Midwest Player
MWP, you just love to get the snowball rolling. Not enough things to do when you are snowed in?
I will admit this one time, and only this one time, I decided to stir the pot a little. However, today I was busy getting my roof shoveled off for the second time this winter,Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxQuote:
Originally Posted by Midwest Player
MWP, you just love to get the snowball rolling. Not enough things to do when you are snowed in?
No problem with me Midwest Player. This is one pot that is fun to stir. My problem is lately I’m NOT getting much done at work. I’m spending all my time going back and forth between this site and Moses’s island. And Moses has been very busy lately too. I don’t know how he keeps up, having to respond to two active forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Midwest PlayerI will admit this one time, and only this one time, I decided to stir the pot a little. However, today I was busy getting my roof shoveled off for the second time this winter,Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxQuote:
Originally Posted by Midwest Player
MWP, you just love to get the snowball rolling. Not enough things to do when you are snowed in?
I think Moses now has three posts here dedicated to himself, and sometimes he gets mentioned on the weather channel (I mean thread). Moses has become bigger after his banning than before. Kind of like Elivis became bigger after his death. Moses is becoming a legend in our lifetime, and we’re around to witness it. Wow! This is something one day we’ll be telling our grandkids about. History in the making!
No doubt about it Moses has a large audience on that island. I think we need to spice up his name for his site here is my choice:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21No problem with me Midwest Player. This is one pot that is fun to stir. My problem is lately I’m NOT getting much done at work. I’m spending all my time going back and forth between this site and Moses’s island. And Moses has been very busy lately too. I don’t know how he keeps up, having to respond to two active forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Midwest PlayerI will admit this one time, and only this one time, I decided to stir the pot a little. However, today I was busy getting my roof shoveled off for the second time this winter,Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
I think Moses now has three posts here dedicated to himself, and sometimes he gets mentioned on the weather channel (I mean thread). Moses has become bigger after his banning than before. Kind of like Elivis became bigger after his death. Moses is becoming a legend in our lifetime, and we’re around to witness it. Wow! This is something one day we’ll be telling our grandkids about. History in the making!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99z-H_NEccU
Of course a song from the fifeties to go with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NMda1lZLg8
Who are you talking about? Who is this Moses?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21No problem with me Midwest Player. This is one pot that is fun to stir. My problem is lately I’m NOT getting much done at work. I’m spending all my time going back and forth between this site and Moses’s island. And Moses has been very busy lately too. I don’t know how he keeps up, having to respond to two active forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Midwest PlayerI will admit this one time, and only this one time, I decided to stir the pot a little. However, today I was busy getting my roof shoveled off for the second time this winter,Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
I think Moses now has three posts here dedicated to himself, and sometimes he gets mentioned on the weather channel (I mean thread). Moses has become bigger after his banning than before. Kind of like Elivis became bigger after his death. Moses is becoming a legend in our lifetime, and we’re around to witness it. Wow! This is something one day we’ll be telling our grandkids about. History in the making!
And why are people still obsessing over him?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmWho are you talking about? Who is this Moses?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21No problem with me Midwest Player. This is one pot that is fun to stir. My problem is lately I’m NOT getting much done at work. I’m spending all my time going back and forth between this site and Moses’s island. And Moses has been very busy lately too. I don’t know how he keeps up, having to respond to two active forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Midwest Player
I think Moses now has three posts here dedicated to himself, and sometimes he gets mentioned on the weather channel (I mean thread). Moses has become bigger after his banning than before. Kind of like Elivis became bigger after his death. Moses is becoming a legend in our lifetime, and we’re around to witness it. Wow! This is something one day we’ll be telling our grandkids about. History in the making!
People got their wish and now he is gone. For those who wanted him gone, why still talk about him? How many more threads should we dedicate to him? If we are going to keep talking about him we should just bring him back. It seems as if that's what people want if they are still bringing his name up.
It’s because Moses is truelly one of a kind. If there is ever a “Forum Hall of Fame”, Moses will be the first person inducted into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfAnd why are people still obsessing over him?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmWho are you talking about? Who is this Moses?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21
People got their wish and now he is gone. For those who wanted him gone, why still talk about him? How many more threads should we dedicate to him? If we are going to keep talking about him we should just bring him back. It seems as if that's what people want if they are still bringing his name up.
No forum moderator has been able to silince him. They have tried, but failed. He’s been banned from multiple forums and still gets his message out through zenzone, his own private island. Many people go to zenzone multiple times a day to hear the “words of wisdom” from Moses. And Moses usually doesn’t disappoint.
It’s also because of the ongoing debate on the identity of all the people that use Moses’s phone to post. Are they several personalities within Moses? Or does Moses pass his phone around to all his homeless buddies? This is a question that we’ll probably never be able to answer. It’s part of the mystery of Moses.
There is also a debate on how much Moses knows about blackjack. Is he a genius like Bobby Fisher who learned without books or is he a degenerate gambler? Since no one will play Moses black chips (his perferred way to play), this question also goes unanswered.
So now you can see why Moses has gained such a vast and loyal following. You don’t find people like this everyday.
This post is exactly why several people, myself included think that you are either a sock puppet of Moses or otherwise associated with Moses. It is just hard to believe their is someone out there so fucked up as to think Moses is clever and amusing. Moses is a sick dude. And he HAS been silenced at every forum he has participated at except WoV, where I suspect he knows better than to try his shit. The fact is that Moses is a sick dude, with his threats and multiple personalities. That comes across pretty quickly and he ends up banned at most legitimate forums, even a forum such as this, where it is very difficult to get banned. What does that tell you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21
I don't know exactly what Moses mental problems are. It is fairly clear that at times he acts more acceptable than others. That is usually a case of someone with some sort of mental condition, who goes off their medications. It's not really funny. That is when they become a danger to themselves and others. Again you shouldn't be encouraging this. It does appear that some sort of multiple personality is at play. And sockpuppets play right into this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21
And let's talk about sockpuppets: I have used sock puppets a few times. When I was banned at WoV, I used KewlJ2 and kewlj3 (or maybe it was KJ2 and KJ3) to continue to make a few points, knowing these accounts would be banned. Certainly was not trying to hide anything or deceive anyone. I later used a third sockpuppet at WoV, LVKid. That one was a little less transparent. I had been told by a third party that Mike wanted to find a way to allow me to post again, but he couldn't do so under my handle of KewlJ because of a promise to Norm. So I created LVkid, which was banned pretty quickly. Either the third party had some bad information or Mike's wishes were never relayed to other moderators. Either way I wasn't all that enthused about a second account.
Now on BJTF, years after I was banned I created a sockpuppet, "spiderman" because I had some important information and experience relating to the ASM experience that I wanted to bring to light and share with the BJ AP community. Again, I didn't try to hide who I was or deceive anyone. I made it as plain as I could who I was and everyone knew.
Now this is quite a bit different than people like Moses and Rob Singer, who both have a long history of sockpuppetry. Both use sockpuppets to vouch for them and attempt to build up their credibility. Do you see the difference here? And it becomes really weird when these guys start having conversations with their sockpuppets. That clarifies their mental issues in dealing with reality. :(
You repeating this challenge of Moses again, makes people question you. Think about what you are saying. Blackjack advantage players. We make our money and a living beating the blackjack games at a casino. No legitimate BJ AP is going to engage in some sort of 10 minute "pissing contest" with someone. Besides that there is no upside only risk, such a short contest would prove nothing, win or lose. Blackjack card counting advantage play is a long-term endeavor. Results meet expectation after hundreds of hours of play. Short-term results would have zero meaning, win or lose....again, only risk. You repeating this challenge only serves to have people question your motives and frankly your understanding of blackjack advantage play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21
Moses doesn't have a vast following. Besides you who seems to worship him in some extremely odd way, he is getting a few "views" at a completely dead forum because he is so demented. He is the fucking sicko sitting in the corner playing with his feces babbling nonsense to himself, so yeah, a few people stop and watch. And probably laugh. They are not laughing with him they are laughing AT him. And by the way some of those view are by legal authorities monitoring him and building a case against him. You are doing him no favors by encouraging this behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21
But kewlJ, Moses was vetted by Rob Singer. I read it right here. Isn't that kind of like being vetted by God?
Pretty accurate assessment, especially the part of him sitting in a corner playing with his own shit, lol...I believe all the years of Hobo Hijinx in the backseat of his 4K clunker with Tater has taken a toll on his already microscopic brain :rolleyes:
As I stated yesterday, Singer jumping on the Moses bandwagon, proves Singer has zero understanding of blackjack card counting. If there was anyone left that still has any question about his (lack of credibility) on any other subject matter, they should really be asking themselves, "well if this guy states thing completely wrong about this, how can I give any credibility into anything else he says". The boy who cried wolf scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
But I suspect Singer doesn't care. He really has no credibility except with a small handful of co-anti AP members. So he doesn't care about his lack of credibility. He simply sees "an enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation and jumps on the bandwagon despite that he looks foolish to anyone with even a little bit of knowledge.
And BTW, this is exactly the problem with this forum. This forum has actually shown some signs of life of late, with productive discussions about different plays, most things that I have no knowledge about, but sure as hell want to read all I can. And even a few new members participating in these discussion. And then.....as always...the Singer/Blackhole/Coach Belly tri hijacks some productive thread with their anti-AP hate. They are consumed with anti-AP hatred, bitterness, jealousy.
If Dan Druff happens to be around, he will clean up the thread and ban one or all of that tri from the thread, but really, why not do something a bit more permanent. Remember the true definition of insanity. :rolleyes:
Kewl J wrote:
"As I stated yesterday, Singer jumping on the Moses bandwagon, proves Singer has zero understanding of blackjack card counting."
You missed the whole point, and it is surely not about understanding blackjack. Singer is all about using people and provoking others which he really enjoys doing. He is a leader and instigates some real dumb minions who follow his examples and that in itself gets him off even more. He really is one smart cookie who is pulling the whoolies over a lot of people.
I'm certainly not a degenerate gambler. Yet, I have never read one AP book in my life and I started doing this stuff before the internet was a thing. I must be a genius.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21
I bought Charles Lund's Robbing the One-Armed Bandits just to see if he really knew machine AP.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfI'm certainly not a degenerate gambler. Yet, I have never read one AP book in my life and I started doing this stuff before the internet was a thing. I must be a genius.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob21
Funniest Post I have ever read on these gambling forums!Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
The only thing better would be if you posted about how You are NOT an Alcoholic!
Every time I want a good laugh I think about how you told me you never drink when you are working LOL... hilarious!
Next you will be posting about how you never left a 4 of a kind on a machine so your partners could come in later and claim it again and again, over and over.
Moses asks me to post this to Dan.
Dan, I request that KJ and Bosox be banned until their false accusation against me are proven. IF they are proven wrong which they will be and I am proven right and I WILL be, then a permanent ban should be set on them both. KJ started threads that I couldn't reply to and made hundreds all false posts since I was banned on February 22.
Dan, Norm, and Al. I don't have a problem with you checking IP addresses. But there is a huge problem with sharing them with other posters. I do not know where or who it is KJ claims are these creditable resources. But I suggest you ban him until this is all resolved.
Anyone is free to come see me, meet Tater, see my home which I own, watch me play blackjack at green chip tables, play me for black chips (if you choose), see that I can count out loud the way I say I do on either a column or a percentage count. We can go into the 3 sportsbooks I bet and pull up a history of my standard $2,200 per game bet. You will see I have no physical disability as KJ suggests. I work out, take long walks, play blackjack, make sports bets, and go to a sports book maybe twice a week to watch a game or wind down after a full day of playing blackjack.
Until that is proven otherwise, then KJs ban's need to be set forth.
I am NOT homeless. Never been homeless. NEVER slept in a homeless shelter. I select my friends very carefully. There is one homeless friend which is Tater/Bobby who is not Bob 21. I do not receive any kind of SSI benefits nor disability benefits. I don't know if Bobby does or not. We have NEVER had that conversation. I have NEVER received any unemployment nor even any federal loan assistance for my kids college. WE didn't qualify because of too many assets. I bought my kids each a home while in college and sold it when the graduated. Except I ended up living in this one. Yes, I have been retired since 2010. There are no bills to pay other than household expenses like taxes, city fees, garbage, water, etc. My financial portfolio is decent and has continued to grow. There is plenty set aside for attorney fees to contact this alleged agency about the false information given to KJ about me. My attorney will be in contact with them. Count on it.
Sorry this post couldn't be funny for you Bob 21. But I gave you every chance to post my other statement. Feel free to post and twist away Bosox. You know nothing about me and you know less about Tater. But I promise you we are NOT one in the same. So when you and KJ go into your cute little conversation about me and Tater being the same person and my unstable mental capacity - understand what you're getting yourself into. You're sticking your nose where is doesn't belong as you were not even on blackjackinfo at the same time as Tater. I have nothing to hide.
So a banded man wants to band another man, damn. Sounds like the Spinners singing "RubberBand Man".
Hey Moses, I wanted you to know your posts on zenzone lately have been excellent! I didn’t know which thread to post this on since you have so many threads over here with your name in the title. As I’m sure you know, you still have quite the following. You also have kj and his computer buddy spending all their time making hits on your posts to increase views. I still don’t know why they do this.
I liked your comments on Zee. You are spot on! Zee knows exactly what he’s doing and sometimes he slips up and shows he’s smarter than the naive person he tries to portray. The funny thing is the APs on BJTF want to be right so bad and put someone down, they always jump at his bait like perch swarming over some breadcrumbs. Zee likes to stir them up, and they are pretty easy to stir up. I always like a Zee post. Not because of his comments, but because of how the APs react to them. They trip over each other trying to get in the last word. What would they do if Zee left? Probably try to find someone else to attack.
Like you said, none of this really matters. Who cares who’s the bad guy or good guy? But in the AP world, it appears to be a big deal. Most want to believe they’re doing something more than just slightly turning the odds in their favor. They want to believe they’re doing something with a higher purpose.
I first picked up on this on Blackjack Apprenticeship. On that site, everybody believes casino are this evil enterprise and the APs are the good guys freeing the money from the clutches of the evil casinos. Colin even went so far as to say the AP held the moral high ground, which obviously didn’t go over well with me. Whenever I would express my views, which I did very politely (not like here where I’m more sarastic since this is a tougher crowd - that is expect for Bobo Forum Detective, who seems to have a hard time with this stuff) they would attack me like piranha attacking a wounded animal. When I talked about tipping, you should have seen how they came after me. Tipping is a major no no over there.
Anyway, as you know Zee and I now belong to an exclusive club, being the only two people kicked out of BJA. Me, for believing in tipping while I’m in a casino, and Zee for believing like Stanford Wong that it’s probably best to not make AP a full time job. Stanford Wong better not become a BJA member because he would probably get the boot too. Anybody that doesn’t conform to that site’s beliefs will probably get the boot. When you sign up, the guidelines should say agree with the leader or get the boot. Kind of a catchy phase now that I think of it. Lol
Anyway, after I read all this negative misleading stuff about casinos (it’s on BJTF too), I started sticking up for casinos. I did the same thing in school when I saw bullies picking on some kid.
You’re right, none of this is that important. I like being an AP and do not like it when they’ve kicked me out, but I get it. It’s my job to stay under their radar. If I was in their shoes, I’d do the same thing. Obviously, their business model isn’t to hand out money to APs.
I’m still waiting for some AP to answer my very basic question: WHY DO GOVERNMENTS APPROVE CASINOS??? So far no one has ventured a guess. I’m wondering if an AP has even thought about this question before? APs spend so much time criticizing casinos, they probably haven’t even thought about why casinos exists in the first place.
And I’m serious about sometime in the future visiting Reno and meeting up with you. I can’t give you a date now since it’s been busy here at work. And I’m not getting much done with all this posting. Lol
Keep up the good work at zenzone!
I wonder if Bobo, Forum Detective, is going to think this post is so good he’ll post it on other sites. I know Bobo likes to share my wisdom with other forums.
"And I’m serious about sometime in the future visiting Reno and meeting up with you. I can’t give you a date now since it’s been busy here at work. And I’m not getting much done with all this posting. Lol"
Bob, I know Moses has been offering you free nights stays, you should take him up on it. After the trip, I want to hear all about the three nights you slept under a bridge with two mice inside a cardboard box.
Moses would never put you in a cardboard box with two mice. Bosox and KJ. a/k/a Tricky and Dicky. Bosox will get a room with an excellent view of and on the freeway.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Did you forget how to use Reply with Quote already? :rolleyes:
When I go to Reno, you’ll be the first to know how my trip goes. Living with the homeless for a couple nights wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. I’ve always enjoyed meeting people who are different than me. That’s one thing I like about casinos. Zee has mentioned this too. I get to interact with people I wouldn’t normally interact with at work and home. I truly enjoy my time when I’m in a casinos...and if I win some money that’s just gravy.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
There is more to life than money. Many homeless people understand this. There is a lot of wisdom in people less fortunate than us.
Anyway, I do plan on making a trip out to Reno. What do you think about coming too? I think us three (Moses, you and I) would have a good time. I like your spunk. You don’t give up like so many APs. You believe in what you believe in, whatever that is...sometimes it’s hard to figure out. Lol.
I’ll even fly you out there for free with my frequent flyer miles. And Moses will put you up for free under his bridge. And we can all eat for free out of garbage cans so it’ll be a no-cost trip for you.
All kidding aside, I’m serious. What about joining Moses and me for a weekend in Reno? And I’m serious about comping your flight. I have so many frequent flier miles, I’ll never use them all anyway. Btw, I’m not extending this offer to your two deputies (tableplay and DGenBen).
Even though I might not agree with you sometimes, you don’t play the typical AP games where if they don’t agree with you they threaten to put you on ignore or block, as if I care. Lol.
Anyway, think about it and let me know what you decide.
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Originally Posted by Bob21When I go to Reno, you’ll be the first to know how my trip goes. Living with the homeless for a couple nights wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. I’ve always enjoyed meeting people who are different than me. That’s one thing I like about casinos. Zee has mentioned this too. I get to interact with people I wouldn’t normally interact with at work and home. I truly enjoy my time when I’m in a casinos...and if I win some money that’s just gravy.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
There is more to life than money. Many homeless people understand this. There is a lot of wisdom in people less fortunate than us.
Anyway, I do plan on making a trip out to Reno. What do you think about coming too? I think us three (Moses, you and I) would have a good time. I like your spunk. You don’t give up like so many APs. You believe in what you believe in, whatever that is...sometimes it’s hard to figure out. Lol.
I’ll even fly you out there for free with my frequent flyer miles. And Moses will put you up for free under his bridge. And we can all eat for free out of garbage cans so it’ll be a no-cost trip for you.
All kidding aside, I’m serious. What about joining Moses and me for a weekend in Reno? And I’m serious about comping your flight. I have so many frequent flier miles, I’ll never use them all anyway. Btw, I’m not extending this offer to your two deputies (tableplay and DGenBen).
Even though I might not agree with you sometimes, you don’t play the typical AP games where if they don’t agree with you they threaten to put you on ignore or block, as if I care. Lol.
Anyway, think about it and let me know what you decide.
Thank you for the kind offer Bob but I must decline as I am not sure of your real motives. Could you be taking advantage of Moses generosity and kind demeanor? Sorry I feel you may have a another hidden motive for the trip and are looking for a diversion me or someone else to try to lay the blame on. Moses is only FRIENDS with UCFX aka Sandra and I am affraid you are going to make your move and it is not going to end well for you as your home flight will be very unconfortable. Considering the night before you would have literally been tarred and feathered. Other than that I think living three days like Frank Gallagher "William Macy in Shameless" in a real life situation would be quite interesting. I am only kidding I do not want to try that. If you do go for the trip before you retire for that first night "in that cardboard box" first make two stops. first to the grocery store and buy a case of dinty moore beef stew and then a package store and buy a case of Carlo Rossi 4L bottles and you will be a hit. Until of course you start acting like Joe Biden. Have fun.
No motive Bosox. Even if the trip goes haywire, I’ll still spend it playing bj. I like single deck and I’m sure they have some other games too so I won’t be bored.
As far as living in a cardboard box under the bridge, I’m pretty sure Moses will splurge and get you his own box. It’s not like we’ll all be sleeping in the same box. I wouldn’t go either if I thought I had to share a box with you and Moses.
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Moses, interesting story about your highschool basketball career. I enjoyed those years. My basketball career pretty much topped out my 8th grade year in junior high. I made the 9th grade team but just road the bench. I had white man’s disease and I was short. Not a good combo for basketball but I really loved that sport.
So where did you play your college ball? Was your college career pretty good? I know you said Nebraska, but I forget the name of the school. I went to every football and basketball game when I was in college. I also went to a lot of colleges besides Friends. You name it, I probably went there for a while. University of Arkansas, I was there. I played in quite a few pickup bb games with the football players. I could usually hold my own with football players, and it helped that I grew 6 inches in college. University of Chicago, I was there, but I didn’t play much basketball.
By the way, in case you’re wondering, I kept my same name at every college I went to. I only developed this habit of having different handle since I got on forums. I’m not going to name all the colleges I went to be since Bobo, Forum Detective, will probably figure out who I am. Few people have gone to as many colleges as me. I went to colleges in 6 different states, but I only graduated from a couple of them.
Anyway, your high school basketball career sounds pretty interesting. Was college the same?
Interesting story Moses. I remember now, you had said Hastings. I’ve heard about it, but that’s about it. Yeah, I pretty much grew up in Wichita, from 4th grade through college. I spent a little time in New York when my dad was at Cornell. My dad had a lot of jobs, Baptist minister, university professor and for a while college president. The reason he was a preacher is because he couldn’t stay awake in church unless he was preaching. So he always had a small church on the side even when he was a full time professor.
When I lived in New York, it was all baseball, but when we moved to Wichita it was basketball non-stop, and almost no baseball.
As far as what I give lectures on at colleges, it’s on the whole evolution/creation debate. I’m a young earth creationist. I never mention the Bible or anything religious in my lectures...I only stick to the science aspect. You think APs get riled up over me defending casinos, you should see some of the students and professors when I present the case for creation. Since they usually don’t have a clue, they many times end up calling me names, just like liberals do when they can’t defend their position.
So I’m used to being called names when I’m defending an unpopular position. I’ve found the name of choice with APs is “troll”. Whenever they don’t agree with someone, they immediately call them a troll. I find it funny, but do wish some could get a little more creative. Freightman was always a lot more creative with his name calling. And I’m not as sarcastic in my lectures as I am on these forums. I guess being on these forums brings out the smartass in me, and the fact that most APs don’t have much of a sense of humor sometimes has me going too far.
Anyway, beleive it or not, I really enjoy this AP stuff. I respect the casinos, but I’m still trying to get their money. I’ve been pretty successful over the years, but I’m still mostly a red chipper. I enjoy the casino experience and the people I meet there. It gets me away from some of the eggheads I have to deal with at work.
Moses, you ask a valid question: You asked: “Is there a reason I should I know why casinos exists?”
Of course, it doesn’t matter if all you want to do is play the games in a casino and win or lose some money.
For the people (mostly APs) who are CONSTANTLY criticizing casinos and blaming them for the things outside their control (like bankruptcies, divorces, suicides, etc) then yes, I think it’s important to know why they exists. If you aren’t blaming casinos for things outside their control, then no, there is no reason to know why they exist.
Casinos exist because our government, which is self governing, wants them to exists. It’s that simple. If you don’t like what casinos do, which is provide negative EV games for the purpose of entertainment, than take it up with our government, take it up with the people of America. Blame them...don’t blame casinos!
Why do I care? Because everytime I say something to defend a casino, I get some goofball, naive, uniformed AP sending me articles about the evils of casinos and all the negatives associated with them. I get it. Everybody who wasn’t born under a rock gets it. Please stop sending me these articles!!!
This will always be the result of casinos opening in new areas. Why? Because there are weak people in our society. As you know Moses, God didn’t make us perfect. It’s the same reason we have alcoholics. It’s the same reason we have fat people. Are the beer companies to blame for alcoholics? Is McDonald’s responsible for fat people. If you follow AP logic to its logical conclusion, then the answer is yes.
If APs want me to quite defending casinos then they need to quite saying stupid, inaccurate things about casinos and they need to quite blaming casinos for things outside their control. When APs do that we’ll have a truce and I’ll quite calling APs idiots. Lol. By the way, I don’t think all APs are idiots. I’m an AP after all.
Moses, if you remember this was my main conflict I had on BJTF. I defended casinos and everybody else attacked me and blamed casinos for things outside their controlled. Freightman was one of my main antagonists. I could tell he never got it.
APs are also upset at casinos for kicking them out. As for me, I understand why casinos kick me out. They are a business and they want to make money. It makes sense they would NOT want APs around. There is no business that wants customers that take money from them, without adding any value.
This is why I’ve said an AP can be thought of as a parasite. We live off the host (casinos, a business adding value to their community through entertainment, jobs and tax revenue) without adding any value. Some people don’t like it when I use this word to describe an AP but I’ve yet to hear a better description for an AP. Bosox wants to call us cockroaches. I don’t think that’s a very flattering word either.
Hope this helps clarify my position....and great question.
Moses, yeah calling it a feud is probably too strong of a word. My feud was more with Freightman, his buddy Bosox and Three. My feud got so bad with Three, he even had me on ignore. I always found whenever someone had me on ignore is when I’d get more replies from them.
When someone tells you you’re on ignore, it really means the opposite...it means they’re obsessed with you. That’s why I will never put someone on ignore. I don’t want to give them the satisfaction they’ve got to me, and I’m obsessed with them. I noticed you never claim to put someone on ignore too. Good move! It’s called never letting the other side know you’re weak.
Three pulled the all time classic, replying to one of my posts by showing me a picture of having me on ignore. I thought, wow, you can’t make this stuff up. Only in the AP world. Lol
I do remember we had one or two disagreements. Nothing major. When I came on this forum my only intent was to learn more about your column count. I figured if I used my dbs handle, you probably wouldn’t take my question seriously. By that time, I obviously didn’t have a great reputation on BJTF. I mean even Don Schlesinger was calling me names.
Anyway, you gave me a much better and more detailed answer than I was expecting. I get what you’re doing with the column count. I think I have elements in what you’re doing with my side counts. If we should get together, we can compare our systems. I like to keep my count simple but I’m always adding elements to it.
But no, you’re right, we never had any real feuds...and i did alway enjoy your posts. And you had some great sports videos. A couple with some epic races in the Olympics. We (meaning me and my brothers) were all runners too so I liked those videos. I sent them to my brothers, one who is a missionary in Africa. My brothers really liked those videos too.
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Casinos exist because the surrounding communities of voters "including overwhelming majorities of poor people were pro casino" passed binding resolutions, and later voted into law. Now I have a theory on why this all works out in the end. Middle class people are way over taxed and pay for all the free and easy to obtain welfare state benifits. Many of the people that are receiving these free benifits do not appreciate or rather take for granted it will always be there. Then a new casino comes in and who is going to show up to play? Of course the poor and uninformed. After all they are only playing with money that was expected,"Government owes them" money that was not earned but given to them.
Now I call this the revolving door revenue program. The middle class is taxed through the teeth, the government in turn pays out enormous sums of incoming tax money through welfare non-efficiently with very little scrutiny. The government needs a little separation difference between
the dwindling working middle class and the poor otherwise no one would work. So the government has the lottery, and agreements with casinos that bring in revenue percentages. The poor love to bet with money that they did not earn to begin with. The Democratic Party puts on a good show pretending they are the party of compassion but it is all a facade to only win elections. Casinos, and lotteries in fact keep the lower class of people POOR. Back to the revolving door policy commercial from 1988 with Willie Horton getting paroled and committing rape and other crimes, it is a similiar but a different comparison with the werlfare state.
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First, good post Bosox. I agree with most of what you said. But I think there are a lot more people that play in casinos than just poor people. The wealthy like them too. But yes, they are mostly a regressive tax on the poor, the stupid, or people who just like casinos.
There are a lot of smart people who enjoy casinos too for their entertainment value. I know people who’ve met their wives there. It’s a good pickup place, almost better than a club. And contrary to what some people think, the majority of people in casinos are responsible gamblers, meaning it doesn’t impact they finances.
Now onto Moses question. I’m a conservative. I don’t believe guns kill people, casinos make people poor, McDonald’s makes people fat, beer companies make people alcoholics, violent movies make people shoot people, etc. I don’t think like a liberal, who don’t hold individuals accountable for their actions.
When it comes to gun laws, there will always be debate on how far these should go. But in a free society like ours there is not much that can be done. There will always be a tightrope any society walks between freedom and security. And you’ll never be able to make everybody happy. So I don’t get too involved in the gun debate, other than to say people kill people. Guns on their own cannot rise up and slaughter us. Lol
Back to your question, people are always going to spout off on forums. Without some conflict, forums would be boring, and nobody would tune in.
Yes, kj is a blabber mouth who goes on his rants that most the time make no sense but that’s his right. No one needs to pay attention to him. If it bothers someone, put him on ignore or block. When he goes on tilt, some sites ban him like Norm did on BJTF. I’m actually glad Dan doesn’t ban him here since I find kj entertaining, and sometimes he gives good bj advice.
I don’t think any of this should be taken to the point of threatening violence. Forums are where people go to share their experiences and sometimes make wisecracks that we can’t make at work or in our normal everyday life. People need to calm down and not take any of this so seriously. I’ve learned a lot through these forums...and they’re definitely entertaining. Kind of like spending an evening at one of my local casinos, but without all the name calling.
That’s my two cents for what it’s worth.
Okay, I get it. Hmmha. KJs is funny ha ha and funny queer. Mmmm HmmmQuote:
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I reckon dats perdy good advice. Hmmha I don't reckon Lieutenant Dan pays much mind to it all. Hmmha. It's all okay long as Moses doesn't threaten to whip the dog shit outta some queer fellers is what ur sayin. Hmmha Some call it crap. I call it dog shit. Mmmm Hmmm.Quote:
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For another eight cents we can buy a can of potted meat. Hmmha. That's a joke. Hmmha. Funny HA HA. Not funny queer.Quote:
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