Moses, Don't Make Up Lies About Me

Midwest Player stated he only played 13 days in a year. That's 352 days he didn't play. I doubt if you even play that much as you're on the forum everyday - all day waiting to pounce - like your job is FUDD. You guys are the PROS giving advice? When is the last time you or Midwest Player have ever reviewed a sim. Practiced on Verite. This is competition at the highest level where you lose by forfeit. Not something one just strolls in unprepared and wins. No wonder the younger players have entitlement issues.

Moses, I never said I played only 13 times in a year. You better learn how to read. I said in the last 13 times I played I only had one loss. I played a total of 263 hours in 2018 for about 6 hours each day I played.

By the way, I play on Verite for a few minutes almost every day I'm not on a BJ trip.

Midwest Player, I thought Moses comments were spot on. You say you spend a lot of time shoveling snow off your roof. I’m lived for short periods of time in South Dakota and we’d have quite a bit of snow and I don’t remember anybody ever shoveling snow off their roofs. Most the time houses in the north have a steeper pitch so snow doesn’t build up on house roofs. If sounds like your area didn’t get that memo. Lol. Now with some of the flat roofs on warehouses, they’d have to shovel snow off roofs, but not on house roofs.

Moses, about how many hours I play a year, you got it about right. I don’t keep real accurate records, so you’re estimate is pretty good. Some weekends I don’t play at all, but there are weekends I easily put in 20 hours. I’m a camper.

This year I have kept better records of my playing time so we’ll see what happens. I’ve even stepped up my bet spread to 2 x $150 at casinos I don’t frequent as much. So far things have gone well, but I’m not running anywhere close to as hot as Midwest Player.

I hope my post doesn’t get the usual nasty reply from kj for not being exclusively about gambling. I apologize for talking about shoveling snow off roofs on a gambling site. Hope this doesn’t get me barred.

But to Midwest player’s credit, this is a forgotten topic on many forums. I’m glad he’s around to make us aware of this important issue. It takes all kinds! Lol

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Originally Posted by Bob21

I hope my post doesn’t get the usual nasty reply from kj for not being exclusively about gambling.

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No, KJ's reply is that you Bob21 are a LIAR and a troll!

Moses posts lies about everyone. He is a fucking liar, proven over and over. In this case he posted information about a player, Midwest player, that was completely false, because it suited him and the false accusations that he (moses) wanted to make, as he attempted to discredit Midwest Player. So Midwest Player corrects those false accusations. You chime in that "you think Moses comments were spot on". What the fuck!?! This isn't opinion. This is facts. There are only 1 set of facts about Midwest Players results and only Midwest Player know what they are. You and Moses don't get to dispute facts about Midwest players results.

This is like if Moses says that Midwest Players favorite color is yellow. Midwest Player corrects him saying no my favorite color is blue. And then you chime in "I think Moses is spot on that Midwest's favorite color is yellow". You don't get to have an opinion, because this isn't about opinions, it is about fact. There is only one. And only Midwest Player knows. Idiot!!

Moses making up his own facts proves yet again what a liar he is. And you backing up Moses after the person involved has corrected the record shows what a liar and troll you are. And truth be told I still think you are connected in some way. If not a sock puppet, you have some sort of association with Moses (family member/friend) whatever and he feeds you info and you run with it. Same damn effect as a sock puppet. A phony person in the hopes that it gives some sort of credibility. You aren't fooling me. I can recognize these situations a mile away. And I don't think you are fooling anyone else on these forums.

So there you have it Bob21, you are a liar a troll and a fucking idiot!

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Originally Posted by Bob21

I hope my post doesn’t get the usual nasty reply from kj for not being exclusively about gambling.

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No, KJ's reply is that you Bob21 are a LIAR and a troll!

Moses posts lies about everyone. He is a fucking liar, proven over and over. In this case he posted information about a player, Midwest player, that was completely false, because it suited him and the false accusations that he (moses) wanted to make, as he attempted to discredit Midwest Player. So Midwest Player corrects those false accusations. You chime in that "you think Moses comments were spot on". What the fuck!?! This isn't opinion. This is facts. There are only 1 set of facts about Midwest Players results and only Midwest Player know what they are. You and Moses don't get to dispute facts about Midwest players results.

This is like if Moses says that Midwest Players favorite color is yellow. Midwest Player corrects him saying no my favorite color is blue. And then you chime in "I think Moses is spot on that Midwest's favorite color is yellow". You don't get to have an opinion, because this isn't about opinions, it is about fact. There is only one. And only Midwest Player knows. Idiot!!

Moses making up his own facts proves yet again what a liar he is. And you backing up Moses after the person involved has corrected the record shows what a liar and troll you are. And truth be told I still think you are connected in some way. If not a sock puppet, you have some sort of association with Moses (family member/friend) whatever and he feeds you info and you run with it. Same damn effect as a sock puppet. A phony person in the hopes that it gives some sort of credibility. You aren't fooling me. I can recognize these situations a mile away. And I don't think you are fooling anyone else on these forums.

So there you have it Bob21, you are a liar a troll and a fucking idiot!

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I don`t know Bob21 or anything about him so couldn`t say if he`s a liar or not....however, anyone with 1/2 a brain knows Moses is a loony tunes bullshit artist

And what this does is dissuades new members, real players, from participating here, because of these fucktards. Dan Druff is happy as a pig in shit because his shit site is getting a few more posts and views. But they are all from one asswipe (moses) and his sock puppets / associates.

We finally get a few of these anti-AP trolls, with an agenda to destroy the site to leave or post less, and the void gets filled with another complete fraud and moron, Moses (and the figments of his imagination) who has proven he doesn't know shit about card counting or advantage play. He lives in a Reno sportsbook with his homeless friends betting sports and $5 blackjack, for a living. Yeah right. :rolleyes: Reno of all places....the sweatiest place on earth.

Dan Druff, I think you are a pretty smart guy, but I can't for the life of me figure out why you allow this kind of forum, that is now drawing these trolls. You are ruining your name by association by doing so, by embracing such a troll site with all the voodoo bullshit.

And let me correct one other thing you said a few days ago Dan Druff. You attempted to put me down and place me in the same boat, by announcing that I too have been banned at a couple sites. A top talking point from this crowd. Let's get the record straight right now. I am banned at 2 forums, one a blackjack forum that I am (or was) feuding with the owner over blackjack substance. This person happens to have a long history of feuding with members of the blackjack community. The second forum WoV is just a connection of that, as this same person used his influence and friendship to get Wizard involved with something (an outside feud), that Wizard really didn't know anything about. So my 2 bannings are the result of one person, 1 feud.

You are going to equate that with people like Moses, and Singer and a few others that are banned at numerous unrelated forums, basically every forum they go to because they are notorious trolls. It isn't even about gambling or advantage play or gambling related topics. These guys are trolls. They want to disrupt whatever forum they are on, so they are almost always banned and in very short order. And yet they always find a home and the welcome mat here. Can you explain that Dan Druff?

And by the way it is no coincidence that the two people mentioned were also banned by you...on a site that by your own words, "You can't get banned from". What that tells me is that even YOU know, they are trolls and shouldn't be here. You just can't bring yourself to give up the temporary loss in traffic that would accompany such cleaning up the forum into something legit. Grow a pair Dan Druff!

It is possible to have a forum that is a bit more lenient in terms of challenges and opinions, even voodoo opinions, that go against the math, along the lines of freedom of speech that you advocate, without inviting the worst of the worst of society and giving up all elements of human decency.

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Since most of your posts are about snow, it appears you have not played since November 2018 which is 6 months or 1/2 year.

Again not true. I did play in Nov 2018. I actually won over $1,200 for Nov. However, Nov was the month that I racked up that 1 loss out of the last 13 times I played. I don't play in the peak winter months, but I have already started my play for 2019. I'm actually 1/5 of the way to my goal for 2019. I don't know if I will make it especially since this last storm ruined the possibility for a blackjack trip.

By the way, you can walk out your door and be sitting at a blackjack table in 5 minutes. I have a 2 or 3 hour drive or more to get to a blackjack table. So yes, I can't play every day like you and don't want to.

Please have everyone post their results after 13 sessions. That should clear things up. KJ, you're ranting again. I thought you left. Please put some clothes on and go cry to your mommy.

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Originally Posted by UCFX

Please have everyone post their results after 13 sessions. That should clear things up. KJ, you're ranting again. I thought you left. Please put some clothes on and go cry to your mommy.

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Just as if on que, Moses sock puppet UCFX responds with 2 more lies that Moses has repeatedly pushed. The reference about putting cloths on is a lie that Moses has repeatedly stated on another forum that I walk around naked in front of my mother. A complete lie. I never remember being naked in front of my mother. I suppose maybe when I was 2 years old, I was, but I don't remember. Certainly not in the last 30 some years.

The second reference "cry to your mom" is about the lie that Moses repeatedly tells that I live with my mother and she drives me around. Both complete lies. When my mother divorced and moved to Las Vegas a few years back, she stayed in my home for a couple months, while looking for and then waiting for an opening in a 50+ community. She never "lived with me" nor where there any plans for it.

Trolls lie....that is the bottom line. They can't troll based on facts or the truth, so they make up there own. Moses, his sockpuppet UCFX, and whatever the association is with Bob21 are a troll. Bob21 may or may not actually be a separate person, but it is the same troll association that has all but taken over this forum with Dan Druff's apparent blessing.

Well Duh! I live with him and it is Saturday. My day off. But talk about coincidence. No posts from either KJ or Keystone is 2 days. And then Keystone follows a KJ post in just 11 minutes. KJ is a well known monstrous fraud and liar. I guess Keystone is his enforcer? lmao

More bullshit.

Moses says:
IF Bob, who has said many times he plays for recreation, only plays 10 hours on weekends, that is still 2600 hours a year.

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Moses, about how many hours I play a year, you got it about right. I don’t keep real accurate records, so you’re estimate is pretty good. Some weekends I don’t play at all, but there are weekends I easily put in 20 hours. I’m a camper.

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I suggest Moses and Bob brush up on their math skills. I surely don't think playing 20 hours per weekend a year is 2,600 hours. Most it could be would be 1040 hours and Bob admits he doesn't play every weekend. I also kind of doubt if Bob is actually getting 20 hours of play time on a weekend if he has a full time job.

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Originally Posted by UCFX

Well Duh! I live with him and it is Saturday. My day off. But talk about coincidence. No posts from either KJ or Keystone is 2 days. And then Keystone follows a KJ post in just 11 minutes. KJ is a well known monstrous fraud and liar. I guess Keystone is his enforcer? lmao

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You continue to be the world's biggest idiot. I joined the forum when Mickeycrimm suggested it after the forum we were on lost all credibility (the owner was a scammer). Keystone was on this forum before I joined. I Know almost nothing about Keystone, except that he hasn't demonstrated any kind of blackjack knowledge (no offense Keystone). I believe he has even stated that he doesn't play blackjack. You think I, a blackjack guy, who most of my posts are on the top of blackjack and my experiences, is going to create a sock puppet that can't back me up on anything I say? :confused: There is just no other word for you Moses/UCFX than idiot.

What I think Keystone and I have in common is we both recognize you are a troll, and an idiot, along with numerous other. That doesn't make us sockpuppets…..that makes us all "on to you".

But since you have made these claims about keystone and I, I am quite sure Dan Druff has looked into it and if he hasn't I invite him to. And I invite and encourage him to share his opinion on both Keystone and I being sock puppets as well as Moses and UCFX being sock puppets. PLEASE Dan Druff, reveal what you have found. :)

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More bullshit.

Moses says:
IF Bob, who has said many times he plays for recreation, only plays 10 hours on weekends, that is still 2600 hours a year.

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Originally Posted by Bob21

Moses, about how many hours I play a year, you got it about right. I don’t keep real accurate records, so you’re estimate is pretty good. Some weekends I don’t play at all, but there are weekends I easily put in 20 hours. I’m a camper.

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I suggest Moses and Bob brush up on their math skills. I surely don't think playing 20 hours per weekend a year is 2,600 hours. Most it could be would be 1040 hours and Bob admits he doesn't play every weekend. I also kind of doubt if Bob is actually getting 20 hours of play time on a weekend if he has a full time job.

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I don`t know how he`s supposed to do that, I doubt he finished the 3rd grade...Oh yeah, he`s a college graduate tho lol....he has a degree in felching from Hobo State

Actually, MP, Math Promoter, 50 hours a week is 2600 a year. But it's good to know you're reading a forum you say you never read. Great catch in the trap Moses set for you. But you still got the wrong answer. In the words of MaxPen and JBJB. Two very bright guys IMO. Why didn't you post at Zen Zone? Btw, Moses is banned here. He won!

Have you considered a snow blower? Relax KJ, it's not a queer Eskimo.

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I don`t know how he`s supposed to do that, I doubt he finished the 3rd grade...Oh yeah, he`s a college graduate tho lol....he has a degree in felching from Hobo State

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What's the matter Keystone? Isn't Moses playing nice with you? You're so smart. Surely you can come up with terms as opposed to just words. Sorry, I mean you not actually Shirley?

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I don`t know how he`s supposed to do that, I doubt he finished the 3rd grade...Oh yeah, he`s a college graduate tho lol....he has a degree in felching from Hobo State

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What's the matter Keystone? Isn't Moses playing nice with you? You're so smart. Surely you can come up with terms as opposed to just words. Sorry, I mean you not actually Shirley?

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English please dumbass..do you speak it? LOL

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Originally Posted by UCFX

Please have everyone post their results after 13 sessions. That should clear things up. KJ, you're ranting again. I thought you left. Please put some clothes on and go cry to your mommy.

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Okay Moses, just for you I will post the results of my last 13 sessions. Total win $5,632 or $75.60 per hour. Yes, as you say: "When the good Lord shine his light upon you, which clearly is the case, according to your results. You don't question. You don't expect/demand more. You simply give thanks."

Just for fun, I just looked at Keystone's posting history. It took all of about 90 seconds looking at the first page of his posts to see he frequently posts at 4am, 5am, 6am. Yesterday is was 3:58 am.

I don't wake up until 7am (Las Vegas time) and almost never post before 8am as I am eating breakfast, getting ready to head out for the day. Like I said it took a minute for anyone with half a brain to figure that out, Moses, you complete moron.

I mean if I want to take this even further, I would guess Keystone is on the East Coast or maybe Midwest or something where there is a several hours time difference. So he wakes up at I don't know whenever and posts and it comes across as 4 or 5am here, but it is probably 7 or 8 am to him. Either way, it is WELL before.....hours before I ever post. You really are dumb as shit Moses.

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You really are dumb as shit Moses.

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...And you and Keystone are the ultimate chicken shits.

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Actually, MP, Math Promoter, 50 hours a week is 2600 a year.

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Bob never said he plays 50 hours a week. He said 20 hours a weekend.

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You really are dumb as shit Moses.

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...And you and Keystone are the ultimate chicken shits.

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There is one other interesting thing Moses/UCFX. On your loony bin forum where you talk to yourself, you have at times suggested I was sockpuppets with several other members of the BJ community, including 21forme, Ryemo, and I believe Bosox.

I network and communicate privately with 2 of these players.

21forme, who hates it when I reference him, is quite a bit older than me, has been around the community probably a decade longer than me, is married, with adult children. Unlike myself he personally meets and plays with quite a number of players.

Reymo, runs or used to run the blackjack accord site. That is where I met him and began communicating with him. Although he is closer to my age (a bit younger), he too is married I believe and he has small children. He has been around the community a lot less time than I. And he has done well for himself. Progressed faster than I did through my career, not that, that is a measuring stick.

BoSox, I would say I am least familiar with. I don't even know what age range he might be. I think older, but I don't know why I think that. I rarely communicate privately with him, until a few PM's recently. I know him from several forums and he has demonstrated significant blackjack knowledge.

BUT, what all these guys have in common with me is that we are all legitimate, knowledgeable, successful blackjack players and as such have recognized that you aren't. Remember the saying. "It doesn't take much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking". We have all at some point, independently of each other, figured out that YOU, Moses are just talking. And in your case it really wasn't that hard, even though you have some blackjack knowledge. And it really pisses you off that most legitimate members of the BJ AP community figure out that you are not one of us, pretty easily.

Kj, to clear things things up for you. First, when I said Moses was “spot on”, I was referring to his recent post on Zenzone this morning.

His opening sentence was “I stand corrected.“ When Moses and I make mistake we correct them. Neither Moses or I are questioning the facts Midwest player has given. Moses then went on to editorialize on the situation with Midwest player. When I said Moses was “spot on”, that’s what I was referring to... Moses’s editorialized comments.

I know you want this to be an exclusive gambling site. Do you approve of people talking about snow or shoveling snow? Because that’s a major topic with Midwest player. And personally, I enjoy it because snow and shoveling snow have been forgotten topics within the AP community. It’s important to have someone in the AP community bringing these topics to the forefront. Since you live in Vegas, you probably don’t understand the full impact of snow and shoveling snow to people living in midwest player’s neck of the woods. I do, so I will always defend Midwest Player when he talks about these important topics.

You are a whiner. The Biggest whiner I’ve ever seen on a forum anywhere. I’m surprise Dan puts up with you. But you’re good for entertainment value, so I wouldn’t kick you off either if I was running one of these forums.

As far as how many forums I’ve been banned from, it’s only one. Blacjajck apprenticeship. And the main reason I was banned was because of my position on tipping. I’m for it! My belief is if you go broke tipping you probably shouldn’t be playing the game in the first place. Before I got banned, I got a personal email from Colin basically giving me “a shot over the bow”, telling me I should quit talking about tipping or include CVCX data showing how tipping negatively impacted my game. Since I refused to do that, on one of my next posts I got a follow up email from Colin banning me.

I actually take pride in being banned from a forum that refuses to allow freedom of speech and gets upset with anybody who believes in tipping or defends casinos, like I do.

I have NOT been banned from Blackjack the forum, Wizard of Vegas, or Blacjajck info. Or this site. Each moderator and owner of the site has the right to ban me if they want. If they do, I’m not coming back like a sock puppet like you do. You won’t see any Spiderman on this site if I should get banned.

And I don’t care what anybody says this is the best gambling site on the Internet and it’s not even close. And yes Gambling and AP topics are discussed. It’s good to see Dan is allowing Moses’s good friend UCFX on this site. He’s made some excellent post since he’s been on here. I’m hoping to meet him and Moses and Tater and all of Moses‘s friends when I go out to visit Moses in Reno, hopefully within the next year.

If you think Moses and I are such good friends, then go back and look at Blackjack the forum when I first got on there. We had a lot of feuds. The reason I changed my handle on this site is because I didn’t want Moses to know who I was. It was for no other reason.

Obviously, my cover wasn’t good enough, since Bobo forum detective discovered the connection between dbs and bob fairly quickly. I’m hoping to meet Bobo some day so I can learn how he does all his detective work. He’s the best at this, and there is no one even close. If Bobo forum detective is as good at blackjack as he is at detective work then Bobo should be the next person inducted into the Blackjack Hall of Fame. There, I threw his hat into the ring.

Nice post Bob. Btw, I'm a she, not a he. I think when you visit you see I don't look anything like a boy. lol I wouldn't even be posting today.

However, Dan. Yet another thread is started in the name of Moses. Now after almost two months. Moses answered on Zen Zone. Then Bob answered which is fine. Then here comes the ranting feminine one followed by his dog.

Dan, I'm compelled to say, that despite that fact you banned Moses, he has nothing but good things to say about you and your forum. By contrast, KJ constantly complains, i.e the thread Dan Shit or get off the Pot is just one example of the many times KJ calls you out. As you say, it's your forum and you'll do as you damn well please. Moses and I both applaud you for that and respect your position.

Now, I ask you Dan. Given the same set of circumstances, if KJ and Keystone were to make continued monstrous accusations at your significant other and she couldn't respond. What would you do? My guess is there would be some noses bloodied and asses kicked.

But these two monkeys continue to chatter with words they have absolutely no intention of backing up.

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Nice post Bob. Btw, I'm a she, not a he. I think when you visit you see I don't look anything like a boy. lol I wouldn't even be posting today.

However, Dan. Yet another thread is started in the name of Moses. Now after almost two months. Moses answered on Zen Zone. Then Bob answered which is fine. Then here comes the ranting feminine one followed by his dog.

Dan, I'm compelled to say, that despite that fact you banned Moses, he has nothing but good things to say about you and your forum. By contrast, KJ constantly complains, i.e the thread Dan Shit or get off the Pot is just one example of the many times KJ calls you out. As you say, it's your forum and you'll do as you damn well please. Moses and I both applaud you for that and respect your position.

Now, I ask you Dan. Given the same set of circumstances, if KJ and Keystone were to make continued monstrous accusations at your significant other and she couldn't respond. What would you do? My guess is there would be some noses bloodied and asses kicked.

But these two monkeys continue to chatter with words they have absolutely no intention of backing up.

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UCFX, sorry about the mixup on the gender. No insult intended.

The two handles that are easy to keep straight are women are “Bubbles” and “Sassy Red”. With both of those handles, it’s pretty easy to figure out what their gender is.

Sassy red was recently on Gambling with an Edge. Zee and I had a little running feud with her before we got kicked off BJA. Zee, because he didn’t agree with all the college kids dropping out of school to become bj pros and me, because I didn’t agree with Sassy red’s views on tipping.

Sassy red had just quit her corporate job to become a full-time bj pro and said one of her goals was to tip less when she played. I made a comment questioning a goal like that. That’s an easy goal to accomplish. All you have to do is have less compassion for your fellow human being. That obviously didn’t go over well with the Blackjack Apprenticeship group and Sassy red. That comment also probably contributed to my demise on that site. Lol

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Originally Posted by Bob21

I know you want this to be an exclusive gambling site. Do you approve of people talking about snow or shoveling snow? Because that’s a major topic with Midwest player. And personally, I enjoy it because snow and shoveling snow have been forgotten topics within the AP community. It’s important to have someone in the AP community bringing these topics to the forefront. Since you live in Vegas, you probably don’t understand the full impact of snow and shoveling snow to people living in midwest player’s neck of the woods. I do, so I will always defend Midwest Player when he talks about these important topics..

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I don't have a problem with Midwest Players references about the snow and shoveling and all. The first sites I was on were strictly blackjack sites and blackjack discussions, which is basically my life. But one of the things I liked about WoV is that in addition to AP/Gambling discussions, there were other topics. Being a huge sports fan, I like to talk sports. I also have an interest in politics, but have learned there can be no reasonable discussions about politics on these forums. Almost every forum related to gambling in any way has a section about Vegas, where you can discuss things not exactly gambling related, but just life in Vegas and I love Vegas, the city, the history. (Oddly on this forum every discussion is in the Vegas section, I have no idea why.)

I actually am interested in learning a little bit about the people who are members of the forum, especially the AP's, because, AP is not just about what it stands for, playing with an advantage, it is a mindset and a way of life. And I am interested to read about other AP's and how this way of life, intertwines with their personal life, because it is VERY different than non AP's.

So, in MWP's case, the snow is a big part of his AP life. Hell it snows there 10 months a year. ;) And in Vegas for those of us that live here or visit regularly, the weather is also a big part of our lives, especially the summers.

I lived in Philadelphia for 8 years, so I went through some winters, with snow and all. And I never liked it. So yeah, when my fellow AP's and members are bitching about digging out from 6 feet of snow in January to head to the casinos, I enjoy telling them that it is 65 degrees here in Vegas and I am wearing shorts. THAT is the trade off we get for enduring those 115+ temps in July and August.

So yeah, I am ok, with more than just gambling/blackjack/AP talk. Actually one of my favorite things at WoV, was when Mission146 did the interview with me and I got to share my life and how my life as an blackjack player/card counter/ AP intertwined with my personal life.

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I actually am interested in learning a little bit about the people who are members of the forum, especially the AP's, because, AP is not just about what it stands for, playing with an advantage, it is a mindset and a way of life. And I am interested to read about other AP's and how this way of life, intertwines with their personal life, because it is VERY different than non AP's.

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Kj, this is an interesting paragraph. I get what you’re saying, but I don’t I agree with you. I think there are APs like me that see APing as being strictly about playing casino games with an advantage...and nothing more. I get we’re in the minority.

But back to your main point. APing is about more than playing with an advantage; it’s “a mindset and way of life.” I understand your point, but, again, don’t agree with you.

There was an excellent podcast on BJA where Colin interviewed Max Rubin. During the interview, Max made fun of the typical AP, and Colin got very uncomfortable. If I’d made the same comments Max made, everybody here would have called me a casino sympathize, an anti-AP and said this forum has become “unreadable” and asked to be self-excluded from this site. Btw, that’s an APs way of saying, I can’t handle a view point different than their own, or the typical AP viewpoint. Kj, you do this too, but everybody knows not to take you seriously since you’re too addicted to forums to stay away.

Anyway, what did Max Rubin say about APs? His basic premise is APs are so cheap they can’t enjoy a night out. He said if they go to a bar in a casino, they would spend more time thinking about how to get a beer for free, than just paying for it, and enjoying a night out with their friends. He said they’d wonder how much video poker they’d have to play to get a free beer, how could they get the beer without tipping the waitresses, etc. They would be consumed by thinking how little money they could spend, rather than enjoying the evening.

Max went on and on making fun of the AP mindset, and it started making Colin very uncomfortable. Because Colin and his BJA groupies think like this...every decision should be about EV and how you can get something for free or next to nothing. Sleeping and peeing in your car is seen as a postive EV move. Most normal people see this as being cheap.

This is why some APs get uncomfortable with me since I don’t think like this. I want to play with an advantage and I take it very seriously, but the other things that are considered part of the AP mindset, I want no part of.

I’ve known people like this throughout my life. I’d rather go through life with a little less money and tip and not try to always get the best bargain. Being cheap can take the fun out of being on vacation or spending a night out on the town. I figure I’m going to die with a lot more than I can spend so I might as leave some for people as I go through life, rather than be Mr. cheapskate with every decision I make.

The more I listen to Max Rubin, the more I like him. He created a tourist trap (the BJ Hall of Fame) in his casino to attract people, but he still doesn’t let APs play in his casino. You got to love that. This is genius! He even called Colin out for some of his people trying to play in his casino. Max enjoys life no matter what side of the table he’s on, AP or casino. He can laugh and make fun of both sides. Wish more people were like this.

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Okay Moses, just for you I will post the results of my last 13 sessions. Total win $5,632 or $75.60 per hour. Yes, as you say: "When the good Lord shine his light upon you, which clearly is the case, according to your results. You don't question. You don't expect/demand more. You simply give thanks."

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Holy smokes MP. Moneya Plenty. You won $5,632 in just 13 sessions and you're worried about renting a car to get from Denver to Blackhawk? IF you played green chip, full time, you could buy a car...in several states. You're doing better than Jesus. I can see it when you're standing at the Pearly Gates with St. Peter. Sorry, Moneya Plenty, God said "no." He doesn't want you coming here scaring off all the ploppies. So I'd nix that parachuting in idea.

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Remember the saying. "It doesn't take much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking". .

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KJ walking the walk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pY4-38M0tY

I'll give UCFX the benefit of the doubt that she is not Moses. Moses is a MAN and she is a WOMAN.

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You still haven't PMed me. Don't get me wrong. I admire the fact a ploppy from LA, who visits Vegas a few times a year, is willing to go to such great lengths to stand up for a self professed PRO, that is not willing to back up his words. It takes courage to stand up for someone else. You will be doing the Blackjack community a great service by riding them of the evil Moses. I hope KJ will appreciate what you are doing for him. Not just KJ, but the entire Blackjack community of which he speaks will be forever grateful to you for coming out from behind your words and facing Moses down.

They might even make you Mayor and vote you into the Blackjack Hall of Fame. Wouldn't that be something? A ploppy gets inducted. In your case, it will certainly be earned for all the words you will be backing up, like calling me a bitch, and all in the comments to incite since February 22 in your defense of KJ the great.

We are only missing two minor details. Exactly when and where would you like this meeting to take place? Please, just answer the question. I will be off to church soon to forgive you for calling me a bitch. Thank you for that Bosox. I will pray for the good Lord to give you strength and courage during the Blackjack communities time of need. I do hope, for your sake, you are not the guy in the little video.

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I'll give UCFX the benefit of the doubt that she is not Moses. Moses is a MAN and she is a WOMAN.

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You still haven't PMed me. Don't get me wrong. I admire the fact a ploppy from LA, who visits Vegas a few times a year, is willing to go to such great lengths to stand up for a self professed PRO, that is not willing to back up his words. It takes courage to stand up for someone else. You will be doing the Blackjack community a great service by riding them of the evil Moses. I hope KJ will appreciate what you are doing for him. Not just KJ, but the entire Blackjack community of which he speaks will be forever grateful to you for coming out from behind your words and facing Moses down.

They might even make you Mayor and vote you into the Blackjack Hall of Fame. Wouldn't that be something? A ploppy gets inducted. In your case, it will certainly be earned for all the words you will be backing up, like calling me a bitch, and all in the comments to incite since February 22 in your defense of KJ the great.

We are only missing two minor details. Exactly when and where would you like this meeting to take place? Please, just answer the question. I will be off to church soon to forgive you for calling me a bitch. Thank you for that Bosox. I will pray for the good Lord to give you strength and courage during the Blackjack communities time of need. I do hope, for your sake, you are not the guy in the little video.

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Told you before, I think it`s pathetic when 4 or 5 nutless sheep gang up on one individual....thought it was weak in HS and think its weak now....Oh i get why people do it. Not comfortable in their own skin, need affirmation, low self confidence, safety in #`s, all that....I, however, don`t need a clique, I am the clique....get it?

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Well that probably doesn't surprise anybody…..you never were the sharpest tool in the shed. If UCFX is a woman, she probably has a bigger dick and mustache than Moses. I'm not buying "her" story nor do I care. This is one big comedy show with a bunch of terrible comedians…..

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Told you before, I think it`s pathetic when 4 or 5 nutless sheep gang up on one individual....thought it was weak in HS and think its weak now

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Oh i get why people do it. Not comfortable in their own skin, need affirmation, low self confidence, safety in #`s, all that....I, however, don`t need a clique, I am the clique....get it?

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You believe whatever you want or need to believe in order to face Moses. There is no clique. He is, has been, and will be in complete isolation waiting for your answer. Standing up for what you believe in? I respect that. So does Moses. It's going to be one helluva fight. WHEN AND WHERE?

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I'll give UCFX the benefit of the doubt that she is not Moses. Moses is a MAN and she is a WOMAN.

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Well that probably doesn't surprise anybody…..you never were the sharpest tool in the shed. If UCFX is a woman, she probably has a bigger dick and mustache than Moses. I'm not buying "her" story nor do I care. This is one big comedy show with a bunch of terrible comedians…..

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O that's cool. A man going after a woman because her belief doesn't agree with his? What are you going to do next? Break her ribs? What is it with you guys and your talk of mentulomania. Do you think it makes you sound tough? Comedy show is over. You'll have to get in line behind Keystone who is sticking up for KJ. Unless you are now sticking up for Keystone who was sticking up for KJ. Wow, Tasha. And men say women are confusing? lol

What was that you said Keystone about cliques?

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I'll give UCFX the benefit of the doubt that she is not Moses. Moses is a MAN and she is a WOMAN.

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Well that probably doesn't surprise anybody…..you never were the sharpest tool in the shed. If UCFX is a woman, she probably has a bigger dick and mustache than Moses. I'm not buying "her" story nor do I care. This is one big comedy show with a bunch of terrible comedians…..

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O that's cool. A man going after a woman because her belief doesn't agree with his? What are you going to do next? Break her ribs? What is it with you guys and your talk of mentulomania. Do you think it makes you sound tough? Comedy show is over. You'll have to get in line behind Keystone who is sticking up for KJ. Unless you are now sticking up for Keystone who was sticking up for KJ. Wow, Tasha. And men say women are confusing? lol

What was that you said Keystone about cliques?

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Blah. Blah. Blah. Just what we need...another forum queer. Is that you, like Blackhole said, KJ? lol What a worthless piece of mankind?

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Oh look, KJ tried to deliver a snappy response. Why don't one or all three of you worthless queers put on your big boy pants and put and end to this?

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We already knew you were using that term loosely…… Moses/UCFX or whatever you want to call yourself

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Oh look, KJ tried to deliver a snappy response. Why don't one or all three of you worthless queers put on your big boy pants and put and end to this?

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I never knew Kewlj lived on another continent than you, learned something new today. The only thing we do know is that you and Moses live at the same place…...in Moses' twisted mind. Now, please feel free to continue your stupid games Moses. Nobody is buying it. And those that fall for it are as demented as you are. So pretty please with sugar on top: go fuck yourself.

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Told you before, I think it`s pathetic when 4 or 5 nutless sheep gang up on one individual....thought it was weak in HS and think its weak now

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Oh i get why people do it. Not comfortable in their own skin, need affirmation, low self confidence, safety in #`s, all that....I, however, don`t need a clique, I am the clique....get it?

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Now just so I understand. Not one of you. KJ, Vegas Lover, or Keystone ever plan to back up your words. You are only capable of spewing coprolalia on a gambling forum site.

Just so I'm clear. None of the 3 of you individually or combined wish to engage in a physical confrontation. You're just some silly gay boys with nothing better to do on a Sunday. That's twisted.

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Not just so I understand. Not one of you. KJ, Vegas Lover, or Keystone ever plan to back up your words. You are only capable of spewing coprolalia of a gambling forum site.

Just so I'm clear. None of the 3 of you individually or combined wish to engage in a physical confrontation. You're just some silly gay boys with nothing better to do on a Sunday. That's twisted.

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Moses, you`re 60+ something years old...you ain`t gonna do shit....now quit walking around pretending you`re Steven Segal and sit down before you hurt yourself

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Moses, you`re 60+ something years old...you ain`t gonna do shit....now quit walking around pretending you`re Steven Segal and sit down before you hurt yourself

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Moses is not Steven Segal. Just a regular guy who stays in shape and defends me, and like you, others who can't or won't defend themselves. Not really the won't part though. HE figures if they bit it off they can chew it up and deal with it. I guess that is where you differ. You're 59 so what's the big deal? But it wouldn't matter if you were 29.

Let's just get this over with. All this and it's going to take less than 3 minutes.

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Moses, you`re 60+ something years old...you ain`t gonna do shit....now quit walking around pretending you`re Steven Segal and sit down before you hurt yourself

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Moses is not Steven Segal. Just a regular guy who stays in shape and defends me, and like you, others who can't or won't defend themselves. Not really the won't part though. HE figures if they bit it off they can chew it up and deal with it. I guess that is where you differ. You're 59 so what's the big deal? But it wouldn't matter if you were 29.

Let's just get this over with. All this and it's going to take less than 3 minutes.

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Where did you get I was 59?...wrong again as usual, but hardly a surprise..

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From your View Profile. Born May 16, 1959. However, your age doesn't matter. Unless you are incapable.

I'll back up my words. Get your behind on a plane to Amsterdam and I'll tell you everything I said straight to your face. I even have a better idea, come with me to my gym and step into the octagon with me. We'll have all the legal physical confrontation you want, complete with licensed MMA/Kickboxing referee. Time to put on your big boy pants Moses and book that flight. Just so you know, I won't be around during the last two weeks of may, the last two weeks of july and the first two weeks of october. Any other time is fine with me. Just to make this clear: the only physical confrontation I'm interested in is a legal one. I don't want you running to the police. You're going to have your confrontation without the possibility of legal issues after the fact.

No, not incapable, but I do have some morals...It’s not a practice of mine nor would I feel good about kicking some senior citizens ass sideways down the block

Amsterdam. The Netherlands? Or Amsterdam, New York.

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No, not incapable, but I do have some morals...It’s not a practice of mine nor would I feel good about kicking some senior citizens ass sideways down the block

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I think you've already exceeded any morals you think you may have from all your vile posts. Moses just turned 60. I know the Senior look you mean. That is not Moses. You'll know what I mean when you hit him. He's solid.

The Netherlands. How old are you Moses?

Wait, the dude is 60. Get the fuck out of here and play your tough old guy act somewhere else. I'm not putting my hands on a 60 year old man. We have 50+ year old men in our gym who train 4 nights a week and I won't even spar with them because they don't last 2 minutes. You have no chance no matter how tough you think you are.

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No, not incapable, but I do have some morals...It’s not a practice of mine nor would I feel good about kicking some senior citizens ass sideways down the block

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I think you've already exceeded any morals you think you may have from all your vile posts. Moses just turned 60. I know the Senior look you mean. That is not Moses. You'll know what I mean when you hit him. He's solid.

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Wait, the dude is 60. Get the fuck out of here and play your tough old guy act somewhere else. I'm not putting my hands on a 60 year old man. We have 50+ year old men in our gym who train 4 nights a week and I won't even spar with them because they don't last 2 minutes. You have no chance no matter how tough you think you are.

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Well, Moses didn't think he'd have to fly to Amsterdam and face a professional fighter because some queer is unwilling to defend himself and needs you to stand in for him. The term Vegas lover lead me to believe you were in Vegas. But he's admits, he said it, so he'll back it up. Just not in Amsterdam.

Keystone. That guy? HE can handle. Seriously, it's fairly simple. Where and when? You're in LA. Much closer than Amsterdam.

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Wait, the dude is 60. Get the fuck out of here and play your tough old guy act somewhere else. I'm not putting my hands on a 60 year old man. We have 50+ year old men in our gym who train 4 nights a week and I won't even spar with them because they don't last 2 minutes. You have no chance no matter how tough you think you are.

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Well, Moses didn't think he'd have to fly to Amsterdam and face a professional fighter because some queer is unwilling to defend himself and needs you to stand in for him. The term Vegas lover lead me to believe you were in Vegas. But he's admits, he said it, so he'll back it up. Just not in Amsterdam.

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I wouldn't EVER go there. I never turned professional because I already had a career planned but I've been fighting for over 20 years. No way I'm stepping into the ring or the octagon with an untrained big mouth in Amsterdam, Vegas or anywhere. There's a limit to what's acceptable and sometimes you have to protect people from their own stupid choices. Enjoy your life Moses and tone it down. If you do this shit in public you might actually do it to the wrong person and get a serious beating or worse.

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I can guarantee Moses doesn't act this way in public. At or approaching 60 years old, he would be dead or in prison if he did, as this is not acceptable behavior in society today. This Moses freak is just another internet bully, talking big, threatening people on the internet.

This Moses person and his multiple personalities are suffering from what is known as the Neapolitan complex...over compensating aggression for other usually physical shortcomings. :rolleyes:

I don't know what it is about these guys, the whole slew of them here....bitter, very angry old guys in their 60, 70 that are just so damn angry at the world, AP who succeed making money from the casinos and I guess mostly themselves. Bitter, Bitter old dudes. And they all seem to find their way here. :confused:

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I can guarantee Moses doesn't act this way in public. At or approaching 60 years old, he would be dead or in prison if he did, as this is not acceptable behavior in society today. This Moses freak is just another internet bully, talking big, threatening people on the internet:

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Here is the way Moses does act in public. HE keeps to himself. But he has protective instincts which come from raising a family. Same as most other fathers. Here is what I've seen him do:

A man followed me into the ladies room and was speaking vile things to me through the door. My friend told Moses. He then, confronted the guy because he was staring at me like a stalker. It was not pretty. The guy ran to security. We waited. The guy was escorted out of the casino.

We came out of the El Dorado one day when they were setting up for Street Vibrations. We noticed three guys looking across the street with a puzzled expression. A young girl, was laying on her back clutching her purse, when a young guy standing over her trying to take it. She was shouting "please, don't take my purse, it's all I have." Moses immediately started walking across the busy toward them. The 3 guys now proceeded to follow. The guy took off running and the girl was okay.

We came out of the movies. It's a bit of a walk from the Riverside Theater to the El Dorado parking garage. At the light, there were two young girls, sitting at an outside table. They were being harassed by an older girl who was backed by to young men. People stood at the light, then crossed, shaking their heads is dismay. Moses told me to going ahead and cross. Let's say he evened up the odds and then waited with the girls after he loaned them his cell to call their parents.

I could go on with many more.

So what would you have done VL? In Moses mind, if he gets his ass kicked for doing the right thing? Then so be it.

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So what would you have done VL? In Moses mind, if he gets his ass kicked for doing the right thing? Then so be it.

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These examples are no brainers. Of course you do the right thing and take a risk. Every decent person would do that. But what you're doing here is something completely different. You've been putting on a big boy pants at the wrong moments for the wrong reasons. Things you shouldn't be doing at your age when you don't know who you're dealing with. I'll leave it at that. Now, I'm done waisting my time with this shit.

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So what would you have done VL? In Moses mind, if he gets his ass kicked for doing the right thing? Then so be it.

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These examples are no brainers. Of course you do the right thing and take a risk. Every decent person would do that. But what you're doing here is something completely different. You've been putting on a big boy pants at the wrong moments for the wrong reasons. Things you shouldn't be doing at your age when you don't know who you're dealing with. I'll leave it at that. Now, I'm done waisting my time with this shit.

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No sir. I disagree. Why were those 3 guys not already across the street instead of standing and staring? Why did 20 people go ahead and cross the street and not help those girls?

All I'm saying is if there were more people like you in this world, the so called shit wouldn't start in the first place. What I am doing here is defending Moses. HE was banned on February 22. However, Keystone and KJ persisted with false accusations and threads for nearly a month. I finally signed on because of what Bosox was saying about me. I'm not a forum person. What would you do if it was your significant other?

KJ is a ranter. He has been for many years. Banned of nearly every forum. If someone doesn't stand up to him he will only get worse. The day Moses was banned, KJ was immediately back to telling Dan how to run HIS forum. The rest of us are just a bunch of lowly posters. How in the world is it the you actually agree with KJ?

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Here is the way Moses does act in public. HE keeps to himself. But he has protective instincts which come from raising a family. Same as most other fathers. Here is what I've seen him do:

A man followed me into the ladies room and was speaking vile things to me through the door. My friend told Moses. He then, confronted the guy because he was staring at me like a stalker. It was not pretty. The guy ran to security. We waited. The guy was escorted out of the casino.

We came out of the El Dorado one day when they were setting up for Street Vibrations. We noticed three guys looking across the street with a puzzled expression. A young girl, was laying on her back clutching her purse, when a young guy standing over her trying to take it. She was shouting "please, don't take my purse, it's all I have." Moses immediately started walking across the busy toward them. The 3 guys now proceeded to follow. The guy took off running and the girl was okay.

We came out of the movies. It's a bit of a walk from the Riverside Theater to the El Dorado parking garage. At the light, there were two young girls, sitting at an outside table. They were being harassed by an older girl who was backed by to young men. People stood at the light, then crossed, shaking their heads is dismay. Moses told me to going ahead and cross. Let's say he evened up the odds and then waited with the girls after he loaned them his cell to call their parents.

I could go on with many more.

So what would you have done VL? In Moses mind, if he gets his ass kicked for doing the right thing? Then so be it.

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So what would you have done VL? In Moses mind, if he gets his ass kicked for doing the right thing? Then so be it.

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These examples are no brainers. Of course you do the right thing and take a risk. Every decent person would do that. But what you're doing here is something completely different. You've been putting on a big boy pants at the wrong moments for the wrong reasons. Things you shouldn't be doing at your age when you don't know who you're dealing with. I'll leave it at that. Now, I'm done waisting my time with this shit.

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UCFX, the next time you see Moses tell him that I apologize for orginially getting the story all wrong. I previously stated that after hearing a little of your own story that I said that I thought that you have poor judgement in selecting men that you get close with in your life. I was completely wrong. After reading numerous post by you I think Moses needs to re-examine his selection in woman. How many good woman are out there constantly trying to find people for her 60 year old boyfriend to fight with? It is just not normal, there is no reason for that. If Moses gets bad mouthed at times here on this board, he more than makes up for it on his own board that is read by much more people, than here so do not say he does not have a voice. If you were looking out for him you would try to stop confrontations, instead you insight. Is that looking out for everyones best interest, especially Moses? What good is going to come out of moses fighting board members? You may have the college degree, but you sure do not show it here, as you are impressing no one. Vegas-lover sumed you up perfectly.

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I previously stated that after hearing a little of your own story that I said that I thought that you have poor judgement in selecting men that you get close with in your life. I was completely wrong. After reading numerous post by you I think Moses needs to re-examine his selection in woman..

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I just want it to stop. IF Moses has an affliction? Then, in my opinion, it's an addiction to this forum nonsense. Funny, I wouldn't even be on this forum or any other one had you not called me out. What in heavens name possessed you to do that? What did I ever do to you? I thought I could understand it, like the traits of an alcoholic or drug addict. But, quite frankly, I don't get it.

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If Moses gets bad mouthed at times here on this board, he more than makes up for it on his own board that is read by much more people, than here so do not say he does not have a voice..

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Moses was banned from this forum. HE was banned from BJTF due to his run ins with Flash. Who is now also banned. Why is it you can't address him at Zen Zone? You've been the one of the leaders of the pack since he was banned here. Think about it. What would he have to post at Zen Zone if you, KJ, and Keystone were not talking stuff here? It's like y'all are trying to hang someone who is already dead.

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If you were looking out for him you would try to stop confrontations, instead you insight. Is that looking out for everyones best interest, especially Moses? What good is going to come out of moses fighting board members? You may have the college degree, but you sure do not show it here, as you are impressing no one. Vegas-lover sumed you up perfectly.

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I've been with more people who have suffered death in the last two weeks that you will in a lifetime. People who I grow close to and care about. IT's my job. Some say it's a weakness for me to care. But it's who I am. As Moses puts it, I help them across the bridge from this world and into God's hand to the next. SO don't you DARE sit in judgement of me you STUPID ARROGANT SON OF A BITCH. You'll be there soon enough and HE will be sitting in judgement of you.

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Well then, in green chips that's $28,160 in less than 2 weeks. Hmmm. $56,320 a month. $675,840 a year. Awesome! Pure bull shit. But awesome!

Moses, you should know better than this. You can't multiply red chip by 5 and assume that is how you will play green chip. It isn't unusual that I spread 1:20 in red chip and sometimes even 1:40. You can't spread like this at green chip. Yeah, just try spreading $25 to $1,000 at a green chip double deck game and see how long you will last. And if I played every day like you are suggesting, I would have been kicked out long ago.

This thread is an example of how great this site is. I just got back from a trip and I’m catching up on the different forums, and this site’s forums is by far the most interesting.

What would you rather read, this thread? Or the threads on BJTF? The two big threads going there right now are: 1) how do I get to some casino outsider of Denver? or 2) looking for snowbird designations with casinos nearby.

Hint. It’s not even close. This site is interesting, even with Kj going on one of his many meaningless rants. Lol. The other sites are either dead (think blackjackinfo or WoV) or boring (think BJTF). Unless Zee is posing on BJTF, there is no need to read anything on that site.

Obviously, we can’t compare this site with zenzone since zenzone stands alone on its own merits. Zenzone many days gets more views than any other gambling site, due to the huge cult following Moses has developed.

At any rate, when you compare topics and interests, there is no gambling site that comes close to this one. Keep up the good work Dan!

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Originally Posted by Midwest Player

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Well then, in green chips that's $28,160 in less than 2 weeks. Hmmm. $56,320 a month. $675,840 a year. Awesome! Pure bull shit. But awesome!

Moses, you should know better than this. You can't multiply red chip by 5 and assume that is how you will play green chip. It isn't unusual that I spread 1:20 in red chip and sometimes even 1:40. You can't spread like this at green chip. Yeah, just try spreading $25 to $1,000 at a green chip double deck game and see how long you will last. And if I played every day like you are suggesting, I would have been kicked out long ago.

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Aaight Den! So you're saying you get $5 to $100, even $200 spread in Wendover and Laughlin? $5 to $75 drew extreme heat in 15 minutes. They'd come over an say what'dcha bet $75 fer, what'dcha bet $75 fer. I reckon there's more to your answer at Zen Zone. Mmmm Hmmm. You put in 10 hours a day as I recollect. Some folks call that bullshit. I call it pure bullshit. Mmmm. Hmmm. Aaight den.

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Originally Posted by Midwest Player

Moses says:
Well then, in green chips that's $28,160 in less than 2 weeks. Hmmm. $56,320 a month. $675,840 a year. Awesome! Pure bull shit. But awesome!

Moses, you should know better than this. You can't multiply red chip by 5 and assume that is how you will play green chip. It isn't unusual that I spread 1:20 in red chip and sometimes even 1:40. You can't spread like this at green chip. Yeah, just try spreading $25 to $1,000 at a green chip double deck game and see how long you will last. And if I played every day like you are suggesting, I would have been kicked out long ago.

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Aaight Den! So you're saying you get $5 to $100, even $200 spread in Wendover and Laughlin? $5 to $75 drew extreme heat in 15 minutes. They'd come over an say what'dcha bet $75 fer, what'dcha bet $75 fer. I reckon there's more to your answer at Zen Zone. Mmmm Hmmm. You put in 10 hours a day as I recollect. Some folks call that bullshit. I call it pure bullshit. Mmmm. Hmmm. Aaight den.

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I never said where I spread. It certainly wouldn't be Wendover on single deck games, but some place are quite tolerant where I play. I also never said I put in 10 hours a day. On average it is more like 6 hours, but twice last year I did put in an 11 hour day and also a 10 hour day, but that does not happen very often.

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Originally Posted by Midwest Player

I never said where I spread. It certainly wouldn't be Wendover on single deck games, but some place are quite tolerant where I play. I also never said I put in 10 hours a day. On average it is more like 6 hours, but twice last year I did put in an 11 hour day and also a 10 hour day, but that does not happen very often.

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Aaight Den.

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Originally Posted by Bob21

This thread is an example of how great this site is. I just got back from a trip and I’m catching up on the different forums, and this site’s forums is by far the most interesting.

What would you rather read, this thread? Or the threads on BJTF? The two big threads going there right now are: 1) how do I get to some casino outsider of Denver? or 2) looking for snowbird designations with casinos nearby.

Hint. It’s not even close. This site is interesting, even with Kj going on one of his many meaningless rants. Lol.

Obviously, we can’t compare this site with zenzone since zenzone stands alone on its own merits. Zenzone many days gets more views than any other gambling site, due to the huge cult following Moses has developed.

At any rate, when you compare topics and interests, there is no gambling site that comes close to this one. Keep up the good work Dan!

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Originally Posted by Bob21

The other sites are either dead (think blackjackinfo or WoV) or boring (think BJTF). Unless Zee is posing on BJTF, there is no need to read anything on that site.

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BJTF still has some perdy good info...Hmmha 69 posts and I now know it snows it Wisconsin in the winter. hmmha Midwest Player falls off his roof more often than he sits at a blackjack table. Hmmha He goes up on it July and sez "how come dar ain't no snow up here, hows come dar ain't no snow up here."

21 posts and they still can't figure out how to get from Denver to Blackhawk. It's 30 miles. I'm a bit puzzled myself. Hmmm Mmmm. I reckon Midwest Player just arta parachute outta the plane when he gets a notion. Bosox says that would scare the hell out his dog though.

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Originally Posted by Bob21

This thread is an example of how great this site is. I just got back from a trip and I’m catching up on the different forums, and this site’s forums is by far the most interesting.

What would you rather read, this thread? Or the threads on BJTF? The two big threads going there right now are: 1) how do I get to some casino outsider of Denver? or 2) looking for snowbird designations with casinos nearby.

Hint. It’s not even close. This site is interesting, even with Kj going on one of his many meaningless rants. Lol.

Obviously, we can’t compare this site with zenzone since zenzone stands alone on its own merits. Zenzone many days gets more views than any other gambling site, due to the huge cult following Moses has developed.

At any rate, when you compare topics and interests, there is no gambling site that comes close to this one. Keep up the good work Dan!

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Originally Posted by Bob21

The other sites are either dead (think blackjackinfo or WoV) or boring (think BJTF). Unless Zee is posing on BJTF, there is no need to read anything on that site.

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BJTF still has some perdy good info...Hmmha 69 posts and I now know it snows it Wisconsin in the winter. hmmha Midwest Player falls off his roof more often than he sits at a blackjack table. Hmmha He goes up on it July and sez "how come dar ain't no snow up here, hows come dar ain't no snow up here."

21 posts and they still can't figure out how to get from Denver to Blackhawk. It's 30 miles. I'm a bit puzzled myself. Hmmm Mmmm. I reckon Midwest Player just arta parachute outta the plane when he gets a notion. Bosox says that would scare the hell out his dog though.

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Is this moron drunk?...what a total idiot

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The other sites are either dead (think blackjackinfo or WoV) or boring (think BJTF). Unless Zee is posing on BJTF, there is no need to read anything on that site.

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BJTF still has some perdy good info...Hmmha 69 posts and I now know it snows it Wisconsin in the winter. hmmha Midwest Player falls off his roof more often than he sits at a blackjack table. Hmmha He goes up on it July and sez "how come dar ain't no snow up here, hows come dar ain't no snow up here."

21 posts and they still can't figure out how to get from Denver to Blackhawk. It's 30 miles. I'm a bit puzzled myself. Hmmm Mmmm. I reckon Midwest Player just arta parachute outta the plane when he gets a notion. Bosox says that would scare the hell out his dog though.

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Is this moron drunk?...what a total idiot

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No. Alcohol makes me a bit mean when I drink it. hmmha. Midwest Player is not an idiot. He's just 97 years old and trying to find direction in life. These are real honest to goodness threads. You can't make dat sit up.

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The other sites are either dead (think blackjackinfo or WoV) or boring (think BJTF). Unless Zee is posing on BJTF, there is no need to read anything on that site.

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BJTF still has some perdy good info...Hmmha 69 posts and I now know it snows it Wisconsin in the winter. hmmha Midwest Player falls off his roof more often than he sits at a blackjack table. Hmmha He goes up on it July and sez "how come dar ain't no snow up here, hows come dar ain't no snow up here."

21 posts and they still can't figure out how to get from Denver to Blackhawk. It's 30 miles. I'm a bit puzzled myself. Hmmm Mmmm. I reckon Midwest Player just arta parachute outta the plane when he gets a notion. Bosox says that would scare the hell out his dog though.

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Keystone, you've got to be a member of BJTF to appreciate UCFX post. This was good stuff. One of the funnier posts I've read in a while. On BJTF, there is a thread that has 69 posts about Wisconsin having snow in the winter. And no, I'm not making this up. If Kj was still on BJTF (and he wasn't banned), he'd probably have gone off the deep-end on one of his rants about gambling forums should only be about gambling. This thread would have then ballooned to more than 100 posts.

And there was another lengthy thread about how to get from Denver to Blackhawk casino in typical AP fashion, which means very inexpensively but incredible time consuming and hard. If I remember right to make this trip for only 25 cents you have to go from bike, to motor scooter, to hitchhiking to find the cheap bus in the middle of Denver that will take you to Blackhawk three days later. Assuming you don't get shot, I think it'll only cost you 25 cents. If you can bribe someone on the way, you might even be able to make some money on it.

I think this is what Kj is talking about when he says APing is about more than betting with an advantage. It's a mindset and way of life. This is the part of APing I want no part of. Lol. As for me, I'd probably just rent a car in the airport.

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As for me, I'd probably just rent a car in the airport.

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Dat's a perdy good post of it all Bob. hmmha You'd think a feller making $75 an hour playing red chips would be able to figure that one out on his own. MickeyCrimm is a good ole boy and has spent some time in that area. So, please correct me, but I'm going out on a limb here and saying Denver is a really big town.

In the words of Ron White - it's 30 miles to Blackhawk - it's 30 miles - it's 30 FUCKIN miles.

Good book says a feller outta not cuss. So I'm not saying fuck. hmmha

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Originally Posted by UCFX

Exactly how is it you deem yourself worthy to judge anyone? Some kind of special calling sent down from above? I get it. Most people waste their life away judging others.


I was not judging you, In making life's tough choices today there are advantage players, and then there are people like you.


I just want it to stop. IF Moses has an affliction? Then, in my opinion, it's an addiction to this forum nonsense. Funny, I wouldn't even be on this forum or any other one had you not called me out. What in heavens name possessed you to do that? What did I ever do to you? I thought I could understand it, like the traits of an alcoholic or drug addict. But, quite frankly, I don't get it.



IF Moses has an affliction? Other than you we only see the forum side of him, so it is very hard relating to what you are trying to get accross. I meant well as at the time I was only trying to warn you out of real concern. Now I am trying to warn him. Upon further reflection I have come to the conclusion that you both deserve each other.

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Originally Posted by BoSox

If Moses gets bad mouthed at times here on this board, he more than makes up for it on his own board that is read by much more people, than here so do not say he does not have a voice..

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Moses was banned from this forum. HE was banned from BJTF due to his run ins with Flash. Who is now also banned. Why is it you can't address him at Zen Zone? You've been the one of the leaders of the pack since he was banned here. Think about it. What would he have to post at Zen Zone if you, KJ, and Keystone were not talking stuff here? It's like y'all are trying to hang someone who is already dead.


You missed the whole point. Moses WANTS TO BE BAD MOUTHED HERE he thrives on it and you don't see that. That is the reason he works so hard on the ZZ provoking others while bending the truths to extremes. Why is it you are the only one who does not see this?

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Originally Posted by BoSox

If you were looking out for him you would try to stop confrontations, instead you insight. Is that looking out for everyones best interest, especially Moses? What good is going to come out of moses fighting board members? You may have the college degree, but you sure do not show it here, as you are impressing no one. Vegas-lover sumed you up perfectly.

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I've been with more people who have suffered death in the last two weeks that you will in a lifetime. People who I grow close to and care about. IT's my job. Some say it's a weakness for me to care. But it's who I am. As Moses puts it, I help them across the bridge from this world and into God's hand to the next. SO don't you DARE sit in judgement of me you STUPID ARROGANT SON OF A BITCH. You'll be there soon enough and HE will be sitting in judgement of you.

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Since I am so arrogant according to you I might as well continue. Your job is your job period. Trying to get your boyfriend to pound someone in the sportsbook tonight presents a completely different picture.

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Originally Posted by BoSox

Since I am so arrogant according to you I might as well continue. Your job is your job period. Trying to get your boyfriend to pound someone in the sportsbook tonight presents a completely different picture.

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Okay. When someone is knocking the dog shit out of you for being a wise ass. I will tell him not to interfere. hmmma. Some call it crap. I call it dog shit. Mmmm Hmmm.

Here is another good one Stoner. If anyone cares to see what my last 70 Hours have looked like. 14 replies so far. 13 said "Not really." Here's your sign.

That's funny HA HA. hmmma