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Some idiot on Gambling Forums impersonated me! The BlackjackPro on Gambling Forums is NOT ME. That BlackjackPro on Gambling Forums is a FAKE! FAKE! That loser even linked to a thread I started on Blackjack Forums as if they were me. This is the equivalent of identity theft of not outright identity theft.
Good grief is THAT place still alive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackjackpro
Blackjackpro, I have a dark suspicion...what if Nathan is the one pretending to be you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackjackpro
A lot of people seem to think you're Nathan because you have a similar manner of expression, but maybe that's just because Nathan is imitating you? After all Nathan has already admitted to having multiple identities.
I hope you keep your blackjack bankroll in a safe place so Nathan can't get to it!
So in taking a quick look....you have some credibility with this claim. :) Yea Nathan!Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJGood grief is THAT place still alive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackjackpro
GamblingForums has from it's inceptions stolen threads and posts word for word from other forums in an attempt to generate traffic, discussion and credibility. Many of the early posters, known gambling people never really posted there, but just had posts copied there.
And it looks like there was a rash of this today as a number of threads and posts from Norm's BlackjacktheForum were "stolen" and copied there. It is highly unlikely that Freighman, Zeebabar, Soxfan all from Norm's site, signed up and posted exact threads and posts that were posted at Norms site. Yours appears to be just another that was stolen from Norm's site, where you did post it.
I have used the word "stolen" several times. I don't know how copyright works with posts and threads, but you can bet your ass that when Mr. Wattenberger, gets knowledge of this his blood pressure will fly through the roof. He is always babbling on about copyright infringement. So Norm, if you are reading, just relax. Nobody takes this dying gamblingforums seriously anyway.
edit: actually, all of these new threads/posts have a "source" link, linking Norm's forum as the original source, including yours blowjobpro. That is new for this site when stealing threads to start traffic. Perhaps Norm's threats have worked. I wonder if this will appease him.
Nathan came off as a Deceiver, starting with pretending to be a GUY and letting Wizard Of Nothing go to a Casino to meet "Him," and then drop the truth and admit she was a WOMAN after he had already left without meeting her. She also pretended NOT to be Tasha until Dan called her out on it. But I don't remember her ever impersonating someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by smurgerburgerBlackjackpro, I have a dark suspicion...what if Nathan is the one pretending to be you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackjackpro
A lot of people seem to think you're Nathan because you have a similar manner of expression, but maybe that's just because Nathan is imitating you? After all Nathan has already admitted to having multiple identities.
I hope you keep your blackjack bankroll in a safe place so Nathan can't get to it!
I'm banning you now.
I will continue banning you for as long as you continue to make these accounts with the TMobile phone in southern Florida.
Clearly using your phone only is a way you're using to attempt to hide your identity.
There goes my entertainment.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I just signed up for an account here so nobody else uses my ID, but I have no intention to be active here.
P.S. Hi KJ.
Why
Hysterical, 21forme. But someday when you are really bored and nothing is on TV..... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 21forme
You can still get your entertainment here:Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/me...3-BlackjackPro
I wouldn't wait too long though because I suspect she won't last long there.
Looks like she got the boot from DT too. She can't be a happy camper about now. (edited to add; "BlackJackPro" is banned, Nathan/Karen still has an account)
I'd also guess that we'll see her with at least a few more aliases in the near future.
I am a little surprised that blackjackpro (<-:rolleyes:) has lasted this long at BlackjackTheForum. Especially starting that same thread she started everywhere about rookie mistakes as a player, where she posts "to her horror the dealer beat her 20 with a 21". Anyone who would post that, just doesn't play much if any blackjack as that is a common occurrence, not something that shocks a player.
But because someone "outed" her fairly early on, the lack of questioning her is probably just due to apathy from the membership.
you're just mad she has a super Advanced Blackjack strategy you cant comprehend. Kind of like those guys that were boasting up to 3-5% on Norms site. It's all true you just haven't figured it out yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
It was 5% advantage from card counting, which is impossible and it was one guy, since completely debunked by Mathematician Don Schlesinger, after which the fraud quit the forum and slinked away. You really want to get into it, or just being an Axeldick. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
And the funny part is your buddy Mike Shackleford could have been that mathematician that looked into that claims and confirmed it was impossible. I asked Mike to do just that, and he promised to look into it, but that was just another promise broken.
And Don Schlesinger and Norm are also good friends, personal friends from what I understand. BUT that didn't stop Don from standing up and telling the truth, that the guy Norm was protecting was a fraud making impossible claims, just like I said. The math is the math! And you don't back away or look the other way because the math does not reveal what you "friend" wants it to. :rolleyes:
If you really think I believe theres a card counting method that can add 5% then you haven't been paying attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJIt was 5% advantage from card counting, which is impossible and it was one guy, since completely debunked by Mathematician Don Schlesinger, after which the fraud quit the forum and slinked away. You really want to get into it, or just being an Axeldick. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
And the funny part is your buddy Mike Shackleford could have been that mathematician that looked into that claims and confirmed it was impossible. I asked Mike to do just that, and he promised to look into it, but that was just another promise broken.
And Don Schlesinger and Norm are also good friends, personal friends from what I understand. BUT that didn't stop Don from standing up and telling the truth, that the guy Norm was protecting was a fraud making impossible claims, just like I said. The math is the math! And you don't back away or look the other way because the math does not reveal what you "friend" wants it to. :rolleyes:
No, I don't believe you think that. I know you were just being YOU! An instigator and troublemaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
But I am just stating the facts. You know I don't like it when someone makes impossible claims for the sole purpose of misleading other players....players that get hurt by it. I believe real players and math experts have a responsibility to call that shit out.
more than a few people have said the same thing about your claims of makingQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJNo, I don't believe you think that. I know you were just being YOU! An instigator and troublemaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
But I am just stating the facts. You know I don't like it when someone makes impossible claims for the sole purpose of misleading other players....players that get hurt by it. I believe real players and math experts have a responsibility to call that shit out.
60 to 90,000 a year for umpteen years.
No you are confusing things. My claims are completely supported by mathematics. Just as things you do and claim are completely supported by mathematics. The claims I challenge like the 5% advantage from card counting using a super duper count, or Rob's progressive betting system turning -EV play into +EV play (a long-term winner) go completely against any and all mathematical principals.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
What you are confusing is that some people and it usually is people that have decided they don't like me for different reasons, often personal stuff like my sexual preference or other personal stuff, may choose to not believe me, because they don't want to believe. But no one can say my math doesn't work. And deep down even the haters know my claims are true, they just don't want to believe, because they want to hate me for other reasons.
Ya know what Axelwolf, you have finally figured me out. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
I started posting on blackjack forums 15 years ago. Picked the lowest and easiest form of AP, card counting. I figured THAT groundbreaking stuff would REALLY impress people, since almost everyone in the AP community looks down on card counters. :rolleyes:
I shared my experiences, most of them not very impressive for a number of years. Things like how I earned less than 10k a year for 3 years, barely scraping by on a shoestring BR. Living below the poverty line. I figured THAT would impress people.
I shared how I failed in Atlantic City, wearing out my welcome as soon as I was finally (after years) able to move up in stakes. Yeah, this failure was sure to impress people.
I shared how I was forced to pick up and move 2500 miles across country to get a second chance at my dream, leaving friends behind.
And then once I got to Vegas I have shared the ups and downs. Early backoffs. Struggling through 5 different losing 6 month periods, some of which I vented almost as bad as Zenking (well not THAT bad).
I shared a year that I made 27k for the year, vs expectation of 85k. I am sure that impressed everyone.
I shared how my posting on forums lead to my being robbed right outside my residence. Who wouldn't be impressed by that. :confused:
Yeah, you are on to me Axel. I have wasted 15 years of my life, with this charade. ;)
Now that you got that off your chest. Can you tell us the real story?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJYa know what Axelwolf, you have finally figured me out. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
I started posting on blackjack forums 15 years ago. Picked the lowest and easiest form of AP, card counting. I figured THAT groundbreaking stuff would REALLY impress people, since almost everyone in the AP community looks down on card counters. :rolleyes:
I shared my experiences, most of them not very impressive for a number of years. Things like how I earned less than 10k a year for 3 years, barely scraping by on a shoestring BR. Living below the poverty line. I figured THAT would impress people.
I shared how I failed in Atlantic City, wearing out my welcome as soon as I was finally (after years) able to move up in stakes. Yeah, this failure was sure to impress people.
I shared how I was forced to pick up and move 2500 miles across country to get a second chance at my dream, leaving friends behind.
And then once I got to Vegas I have shared the ups and downs. Early backoffs. Struggling through 5 different losing 6 month periods, some of which I vented almost as bad as Zenking (well not THAT bad).
I shared a year that I made 27k for the year, vs expectation of 85k. I am sure that impressed everyone.
I shared how my posting on forums lead to my being robbed right outside my residence. Who wouldn't be impressed by that. :confused:
Yeah, you are on to me Axel. I have wasted 15 years of my life, with this charade. ;)
Are you saying that you made all that up? Or are you just saying you heavily embellished your real life?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJYa know what Axelwolf, you have finally figured me out. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
I started posting on blackjack forums 15 years ago. Picked the lowest and easiest form of AP, card counting. I figured THAT groundbreaking stuff would REALLY impress people, since almost everyone in the AP community looks down on card counters. :rolleyes:
I shared my experiences, most of them not very impressive for a number of years. Things like how I earned less than 10k a year for 3 years, barely scraping by on a shoestring BR. Living below the poverty line. I figured THAT would impress people.
I shared how I failed in Atlantic City, wearing out my welcome as soon as I was finally (after years) able to move up in stakes. Yeah, this failure was sure to impress people.
I shared how I was forced to pick up and move 2500 miles across country to get a second chance at my dream, leaving friends behind.
And then once I got to Vegas I have shared the ups and downs. Early backoffs. Struggling through 5 different losing 6 month periods, some of which I vented almost as bad as Zenking (well not THAT bad).
I shared a year that I made 27k for the year, vs expectation of 85k. I am sure that impressed everyone.
I shared how my posting on forums lead to my being robbed right outside my residence. Who wouldn't be impressed by that. :confused:
Yeah, you are on to me Axel. I have wasted 15 years of my life, with this charade. ;)
Kew, are you a wannabee member of the SQUAD Trump rightfully makes fun of? Your post identifies a few failures, which you then say justifies your later claims of success, and you scoff at any and all who question it. Yet when I proclaim that I experienced failure in my early years as a vp AP and then claim success for 4 years using a strategy that partially incorporates AP play, you cry foul.
Your excuse? The mathematics crutch. "I'm right and I win and I don't have to prove it because I play with a mathematical edge!" But if you truly understood how math works, you'd get that it's mathematically possible to win just as it's mathematically possible to lose in gambling. The amount of luck--good or bad--is the key.
Who knows if your claims are true or not? Maybe so, but then for a person who harps about how playing with a theoretical edge means you automatically win, who in their right mind would bounce around for years from forum to forum to bloviate so much about it if it were really on the up & up? That's a credibility-reducer right there.
I think you're a real character who NEEDS forums to exist without ulcers and boils. When I get my legs back how about I take you out to a local shooting range, where you can release all of your inner frustrations and aggravations about what you read on these forums that riles you so. You'll discover where real power lies. I guarantee--it'll be a humbling experience.
Shut the fuck up Rob.
Rob, don't be inviting strangers to shooting ranges. Remember what happened to Chris Kyle. Or at least keep a close eye on the stranger if you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
PS: I'm loving the way you troll the celebrities on twitter.
It’s nice to see Mickey finally in love ❤️Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmRob, don't be inviting strangers to shooting ranges. Remember what happened to Chris Kyle. Or at least keep a close eye on the stranger if you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
PS: I'm loving the way you troll the celebrities on twitter.
Do you honestly think these celebrities really take the time to put that stuff out there? I hope not, because they don't. Other people do it for them. They'll never read anything you respond too.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmRob, don't be inviting strangers to shooting ranges. Remember what happened to Chris Kyle. Or at least keep a close eye on the stranger if you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
PS: I'm loving the way you troll the celebrities on twitter.
If you or anyone else can't figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking and which I am, then, like I said, you are an idiot Nathan/tasha.Quote:
Originally Posted by TashaAre you saying that you made all that up? Or are you just saying you heavily embellished your real life?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJYa know what Axelwolf, you have finally figured me out. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
I started posting on blackjack forums 15 years ago. Picked the lowest and easiest form of AP, card counting. I figured THAT groundbreaking stuff would REALLY impress people, since almost everyone in the AP community looks down on card counters. :rolleyes:
I shared my experiences, most of them not very impressive for a number of years. Things like how I earned less than 10k a year for 3 years, barely scraping by on a shoestring BR. Living below the poverty line. I figured THAT would impress people.
I shared how I failed in Atlantic City, wearing out my welcome as soon as I was finally (after years) able to move up in stakes. Yeah, this failure was sure to impress people.
I shared how I was forced to pick up and move 2500 miles across country to get a second chance at my dream, leaving friends behind.
And then once I got to Vegas I have shared the ups and downs. Early backoffs. Struggling through 5 different losing 6 month periods, some of which I vented almost as bad as Zenking (well not THAT bad).
I shared a year that I made 27k for the year, vs expectation of 85k. I am sure that impressed everyone.
I shared how my posting on forums lead to my being robbed right outside my residence. Who wouldn't be impressed by that. :confused:
Yeah, you are on to me Axel. I have wasted 15 years of my life, with this charade. ;)
Rob, I have never said "playing with a mathematical edge means you automatically win". But it is a starting point. You can't win long-term without it. You need something that turns the game +EV to win longterm. Good and bad luck only matters in the short run. Once you get into the longer run, luck no longer can dictate anything. Standard deviation guarantees that. You want to re-write the mathematics to suit yourself. Betting wagering systems or patterns, including or maybe especially progressive wagering simply CANNOT overcome negative expectation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Now you want to compare that to the math of what I do. Betting larger on the +EV counts or rounds and smaller or not at all on the -EV counts or rounds. There is just no comparison, Rob. I have something that turns my play +EV. You have shown nothing.
So that is the first hurdle. The math has to work. No "special plays" or magical hocus pocus willing something to work. You have to have some mathematical principal that makes the longterm play +EV. After that you get into credibility and everyone is free to decide who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking. BUT you have to get over that first hurdle of mathematical possible first and you have never gotten over that first hurdle.
What I do (card counting) clears that first hurdle of mathematically possible. Hole-carding and several other techniques clears that first hurdle. What Mickeycrimm, Axelwolf, and every other machine player describes clears that first hurdle. Even Dancer clears that first hurdle. Even something as low and small as vulchering clears that first hurdle. You Rob Singer have never cleared that first hurdle.
It isn't personal with me. Sure I get bothered when people attack me and my family members personally and I troll back. But it never begins with being personal with me. I am never out to discredit someone because I don't like them or there politics or who they choose as friends, lovers or spouses. It is always about the math. If someone says something or makes a claim that is mathematically impossible, whether it is a 5% advantage with a super-duper blackjack count, or progressive wagering overcoming negative expectation, or 18 y.o. in a row....I am going to challenge it and say "hey what you are claiming just can't be".
All that wordsmithing confirms is a mind that doesn't....and doesn't want to....understand. Interesting how you only believe luck plays a roll early on, and somehow magically "disappears" in the latter years. Is that what you mean be voodoo?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJRob, I have never said "playing with a mathematical edge means you automatically win". But it is a starting point. You can't win long-term without it. You need something that turns the game +EV to win longterm. Good and bad luck only matters in the short run. Once you get into the longer run, luck no longer can dictate anything. Standard deviation guarantees that. You want to re-write the mathematics to suit yourself. Betting wagering systems or patterns, including or maybe especially progressive wagering simply CANNOT overcome negative expectation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Now you want to compare that to the math of what I do. Betting larger on the +EV counts or rounds and smaller or not at all on the -EV counts or rounds. There is just no comparison, Rob. I have something that turns my play +EV. You have shown nothing.
So that is the first hurdle. The math has to work. No "special plays" or magical hocus pocus willing something to work. You have to have some mathematical principal that makes the longterm play +EV. After that you get into credibility and everyone is free to decide who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking. BUT you have to get over that first hurdle of mathematical possible first and you have never gotten over that first hurdle.
What I do (card counting) clears that first hurdle of mathematically possible. Hole-carding and several other techniques clears that first hurdle. What Mickeycrimm, Axelwolf, and every other machine player describes clears that first hurdle. Even Dancer clears that first hurdle. Even something as low and small as vulchering clears that first hurdle. You Rob Singer have never cleared that first hurdle.
It isn't personal with me. Sure I get bothered when people attack me and my family members personally and I troll back. But it never begins with being personal with me. I am never out to discredit someone because I don't like them or there politics or who they choose as friends, lovers or spouses. It is always about the math. If someone says something or makes a claim that is mathematically impossible, whether it is a 5% advantage with a super-duper blackjack count, or progressive wagering overcoming negative expectation, or 18 y.o. in a row....I am going to challenge it and say "hey what you are claiming just can't be".
Perhaps as you mature and maybe get interested in other aspects of this great and mysterious world that exists outside of gambling, it'll come to you.
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by KeystoneIt’s nice to see Mickey finally in love ❤️Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmRob, don't be inviting strangers to shooting ranges. Remember what happened to Chris Kyle. Or at least keep a close eye on the stranger if you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
PS: I'm loving the way you troll the celebrities on twitter.
That's not what I said. You have become just like Alan used to be. You read what you want things to say...not what is written.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerAll that wordsmithing confirms is a mind that doesn't....and doesn't want to....understand. Interesting how you only believe luck plays a roll early on, and somehow magically "disappears" in the latter years. Is that what you mean be voodoo?.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJRob, I have never said "playing with a mathematical edge means you automatically win". But it is a starting point. You can't win long-term without it. You need something that turns the game +EV to win longterm. Good and bad luck only matters in the short run. Once you get into the longer run, luck no longer can dictate anything. Standard deviation guarantees that. You want to re-write the mathematics to suit yourself. Betting wagering systems or patterns, including or maybe especially progressive wagering simply CANNOT overcome negative expectation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Now you want to compare that to the math of what I do. Betting larger on the +EV counts or rounds and smaller or not at all on the -EV counts or rounds. There is just no comparison, Rob. I have something that turns my play +EV. You have shown nothing.
So that is the first hurdle. The math has to work. No "special plays" or magical hocus pocus willing something to work. You have to have some mathematical principal that makes the longterm play +EV. After that you get into credibility and everyone is free to decide who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking. BUT you have to get over that first hurdle of mathematical possible first and you have never gotten over that first hurdle.
What I do (card counting) clears that first hurdle of mathematically possible. Hole-carding and several other techniques clears that first hurdle. What Mickeycrimm, Axelwolf, and every other machine player describes clears that first hurdle. Even Dancer clears that first hurdle. Even something as low and small as vulchering clears that first hurdle. You Rob Singer have never cleared that first hurdle.
It isn't personal with me. Sure I get bothered when people attack me and my family members personally and I troll back. But it never begins with being personal with me. I am never out to discredit someone because I don't like them or there politics or who they choose as friends, lovers or spouses. It is always about the math. If someone says something or makes a claim that is mathematically impossible, whether it is a 5% advantage with a super-duper blackjack count, or progressive wagering overcoming negative expectation, or 18 y.o. in a row....I am going to challenge it and say "hey what you are claiming just can't be".
I said luck only plays a part in smaller sample sizes (short-term). When you get to larger sample sizes (long-term), the math takes over. Standard deviation.
I have no clue what you are talking about with my early years. I wasn't particularly unlucky in those years. Just was playing low stakes with a small expectation because THAT is what my bankroll allowed for.
People think you also made up that story for an excuse / reason as to why you fake your own death. Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just telling you what other people are saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJYa know what Axelwolf, you have finally figured me out. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
I started posting on blackjack forums 15 years ago. Picked the lowest and easiest form of AP, card counting. I figured THAT groundbreaking stuff would REALLY impress people, since almost everyone in the AP community looks down on card counters. :rolleyes:
I shared my experiences, most of them not very impressive for a number of years. Things like how I earned less than 10k a year for 3 years, barely scraping by on a shoestring BR. Living below the poverty line. I figured THAT would impress people.
I shared how I failed in Atlantic City, wearing out my welcome as soon as I was finally (after years) able to move up in stakes. Yeah, this failure was sure to impress people.
I shared how I was forced to pick up and move 2500 miles across country to get a second chance at my dream, leaving friends behind.
And then once I got to Vegas I have shared the ups and downs. Early backoffs. Struggling through 5 different losing 6 month periods, some of which I vented almost as bad as Zenking (well not THAT bad).
I shared a year that I made 27k for the year, vs expectation of 85k. I am sure that impressed everyone.
I shared how my posting on forums lead to my being robbed right outside my residence. Who wouldn't be impressed by that. :confused:
Yeah, you are on to me Axel. I have wasted 15 years of my life, with this charade. ;)
Hey, look on the bright side, good or bad, at least you're being talked about. Your name probably comes up once every 3 or 4 months I'd say.
Except the sequence is wrong Axel. But never let facts get in the way.
I was held up outside my condo weeks...maybe a month before I faked the death thing. It just so happens I got sick several week later and had heart surgery, so I though if I let it be known that I passed, I wouldn't have to worry about a repeat robbery.
Not proud of it but that is what happened and in THAT sequence. You can look it up.
And you can shove that "being talked about" shit. I am not Nathan and that isn't my goal. All I ever wanted and tried to do was participate in the AP community that I am part of. Unfortunately, that was taken from me by a non-member of WoV who came to the site, manipulated Mike to get rid of me and then disappeared again. Now tell me that is not true.
Keystone is the house maggot. And you can tell he has a big crush on me. He wants me really bad. He's obsessed with me. The news for him is I'm a ladies man. He'll be crying himself to sleep over that for months. Still got the puke on ignore.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcaplolQuote:
Originally Posted by KeystoneIt’s nice to see Mickey finally in love ❤️Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I think we can all agree Norm is a f****** a****** and his only goal on the site was trying to get rid of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Well THANK YOU!Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Now when you say "we all can agree" are you speaking for your "friend" over at WoV? :confused: I would like to hear him say that. :)
You know Rob, no one gives a shit about Trump here or politics for that matter, except for you and Mickey, who appear to be obsessed with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
So you think you are demonizing me by calling me by liberal and lumping me in with something you don't like. But as usual, you don't know shit Rob. I am a registered republican. I consider my self a fiscal conservative. That is a REAL republican. Smaller Government, lower taxes to pay for it. Paying down the debt so the interest that we pay to china will go down and we can keep more of our tax revenue here for what it is supposed to be used for like running the government.
I am for all the things that republicans used to stand for before they allowed a New York City conman to hijack the party. A reality TV person. That tells you right there. It is all a show to him. He is just another P. T. Barnum. Says what (his) people want to hear and tries to put on a good show.
Now let's talk about the deficit. When Trump was running for President it was approaching 19 trillion. George W Bush had contributed 5.5 trillion during his 8 years. Obama a wooping (no offense Rob), 8 trillion in his 8 years. Trump promised to get rid of the deficit in 8 years of his presidency. So where are we? Yesterday marked 2 and a half years to the day of Trumps presidency. And the deficit stands at 22.5 trillion. :mad: It has increased 3.5 trillion in Trumps 2.5 years. That puts him on pace to increase the deficit 10 million should he survive 8 years....FAR more than Obama who Trump criticized daily. This guy isn't a republican and there aren't republican values. He is in fact a conman.
Now, I don't know who I am going to vote for in 2020. Out of 26 announced candidates, including Trump, I haven't found a single one that I like. I don't like most of the things democrats are proposing, Free college for all. College isn't suppose to be free. $15 minimum wage. That will only serve to raise the cost of goods. You think if Walmart and McDonalds have to pay $15 an hour, items including your big mac and fries aren't going to double?
And I sure am not in favor or reparations for the blacks concerning slavery. Nobody is alive today that had anything to do with that dark chapter of our history. There is no payment due anyone. Get on with life. When the Irish arrived in this country in the 1930, they were met with signs that said "hiring, no Irish need apply" and apartment for rent - No Irish. Should Irish people be entitled to some sort of compensation? Of course not. You move on. If this ends up being part of the Democratic platform, I will never even consider another democrat again.
About the only thing I agree with that the Dems want to do is there should be some sort of health care for all. Most of the rest of the civilized world can do it.....why can't the U.S.A. Probably would be some sort of two tier health insurance where basic health care was provided to all. anyone could see a doctor and receive most routine medical care. But if people either on their own or through an employer wanted to have more than this basic, they could purchase health care and have access to the better doctors and health care. I really don't know how it could work.....that's not my job, but there is no reason, we can't have basic health care for all.
Anyway, so like I said, no one is inspiring me on either side, Not Trump, not 25 democrats running. Maybe I will sit this one out. Or maybe, just maybe if you keep agitating me by calling me a liberal and socialist, when I am not, I will vote against Trump just for you! ;) I mean, your vote and Mickey's vote don't even count. Your states are going to vote red. I am in a swing state. Keep it up Rob and YOU might just swing this election to whichever goofy democrat gets nominated. :cool:
Edit: Oh and BTW....free healthcare for all....that idea first came from the Heritage Foundation. It was a republican proposal.
You claim others are obsessed but here you are obsessing. Do you know what the difference is between an establishment democrat and an establishment republican? Nothing. McCain and Romney are/were weak knee'd lefties. They couldn't win because they weren't willing to push back on the opposition. Whimpering cowards. Trump pushes back and his supporters appreciate it. Sick and tired of mealy mouthed professional politicians.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJYou know Rob, no one gives a shit about Trump here or politics for that matter, except for you and Mickey, who appear to be obsessed with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
So you think you are demonizing me by calling me by liberal and lumping me in with something you don't like. But as usual, you don't know shit Rob. I am a registered republican. I consider my self a fiscal conservative. That is a REAL republican. Smaller Government, lower taxes to pay for it. Paying down the debt so the interest that we pay to china will go down and we can keep more of our tax revenue here for what it is supposed to be used for like running the government.
I am for all the things that republicans used to stand for before they allowed a New York City conman to hijack the party. A reality TV person. That tells you right there. It is all a show to him. He is just another P. T. Barnum. Says what (his) people want to hear and tries to put on a good show.
Now let's talk about the deficit. When Trump was running for President it was approaching 19 trillion. George W Bush had contributed 5.5 trillion during his 8 years. Obama a wooping (no offense Rob), 8 trillion in his 8 years. Trump promised to get rid of the deficit in 8 years of his presidency. So where are we? Yesterday marked 2 and a half years to the day of Trumps presidency. And the deficit stands at 22.5 trillion. :mad: It has increased 3.5 trillion in Trumps 2.5 years. That puts him on pace to increase the deficit 10 million should he survive 8 years....FAR more than Obama who Trump criticized daily. This guy isn't a republican and there aren't republican values. He is in fact a conman.
Now, I don't know who I am going to vote for in 2020. Out of 26 announced candidates, including Trump, I haven't found a single one that I like. I don't like most of the things democrats are proposing, Free college for all. College isn't suppose to be free. $15 minimum wage. That will only serve to raise the cost of goods. You think if Walmart and McDonalds have to pay $15 an hour, items including your big mac and fries aren't going to double?
And I sure am not in favor or reparations for the blacks concerning slavery. Nobody is alive today that had anything to do with that dark chapter of our history. There is no payment due anyone. Get on with life. When the Irish arrived in this country in the 1930, they were met with signs that said "hiring, no Irish need apply" and apartment for rent - No Irish. Should Irish people be entitled to some sort of compensation? Of course not. You move on. If this ends up being part of the Democratic platform, I will never even consider another democrat again.
About the only thing I agree with that the Dems want to do is there should be some sort of health care for all. Most of the rest of the civilized world can do it.....why can't the U.S.A. Probably would be some sort of two tier health insurance where basic health care was provided to all. anyone could see a doctor and receive most routine medical care. But if people either on their own or through an employer wanted to have more than this basic, they could purchase health care and have access to the better doctors and health care. I really don't know how it could work.....that's not my job, but there is no reason, we can't have basic health care for all.
Anyway, so like I said, no one is inspiring me on either side, Not Trump, not 25 democrats running. Maybe I will sit this one out. Or maybe, just maybe if you keep agitating me by calling me a liberal and socialist, when I am not, I will vote against Trump just for you! ;) I mean, your vote and Mickey's vote don't even count. Your states are going to vote red. I am in a swing state. Keep it up Rob and YOU might just swing this election to whichever goofy democrat gets nominated. :cool:
Edit: Oh and BTW....free healthcare for all....that idea first came from the Heritage Foundation. It was a republican proposal.
So you like socialized medicine. We already got it right here in the good ol' U. S. of A. It's called the Veterans Administration. Veterans get free health care. And for years they've been dying while on waiting lists. That's what you get with socialized medicine, waiting lists. Except Trump, a man of action, gave vets the right to see a private doctor if they are hung up on a waiting list. This is the kind of thing no career politician would do. Only Trump. That's why I voted for him. Fuck a bunch of establishment punk politicians, both lefties and righties. They don't do jack shit for the country. If the whole country goes socialized medicine those vets ain't gonna have any private doctors to run to. They can just go right back on the waiting lists like everyone else in the country.
Oh KJ, you are so wrong on this. Does a 4.3% price increase sound like doubling. I would gladly pay 17 cents more for my Big Mac and let the workers have a living wage.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ra...nds-2015-07-28
I will let the free college go for another day, but I will say if we can afford free K-12 we can afford free college or trade school. A high school education prepares one for nothing now days.
If everyone gets free college education, it diminishes what a college education is. It will just become an extension of 1-12. 1-12 will become 1-16 and will mean nothing unless you have a masters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Midwest Player
Hey no one paid for me to go to college, so I couldn't go. Why should I now pay (with my tax dollars) for other people I am not related to, to go to college. I paid for last 2 years of my brothers college education. And that's the way it should be. You pay for college.
Oh and BTW...do you want me to list the successful people in all different fields that didn't go to college. A person makes of themselves what THEY decide to make of themselves. NO FREE COLLEGE. You want to go to college, you pay for it.
These things that the dems want, free college, higher minimum wage, reparations for the blacks, talk of a universal basic income (giving everyone 18 and older $1000 a month every month), these are just a way of buying votes. Every damn one of these things will increase the debt because they can't be paid for.
And the republicans are no different. They just want to spend our money....my money to appease THEIR people (buy votes). They JUST did so with these so called tax breaks that no one with and income of less that an million benefited from. And guess what those tax breaks did, caused the debt to go up because there was less revenue coming in.
Neither party and no politician has my interest at heart. I want smaller government and less taxes. I will pay for local police and fire to protect me. I will pay for a national military to protect me. But keep your goddamn hands off my money, my tax dollars for all these pet projects that are just a means of appeasing your base...just a means of buying votes.
And one more thing Midwest. Do you have any young people in your family, grandkids, nieces, nephews that graduated college in the last 5 years? And if so, are there working in the field that they got a degree in?
When I went back to Florida for my 10th year HS reunion, all my HS buddies that went to college were working jobs totally unrelated to what they went to college for because they couldn't find jobs in those fields. Most worked something totally unrelated and half lived at home 10 years after HS....even with a college degree. :(
More recently my brother has 3 friends that come to Vegas twice a year for music festivals and 2 of them are working at Lowes and a rental car place, until they are able to "break into the field that they got a degree in". Young people graduating already can't find employment in the field they got a degree in, just imagine if every single person got a degree? Like I said...those degrees wouldn't mean anything. They already don't.
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Originally Posted by kewlJ
KJ, there's a simple way around that. You have to qualify for college, and those who do not academically qualify do not get in and do not get their way paid. Thus, those who make the top 10 or 20% qualify and get their way paid. Everyone else picks up their own tab or does not go.
The majority of other western democracies do something like this. It does not benefit a democracy for any of their top 10% of students to not have access to the best (most expensive) educations. But that's the way it is here. Money dictates the quality of your education unless you are in the top half of one percent, academically.
You guys are seriously confused. Sure if someone gets one of those pansy liberal arts degrees then there's a good chance they're gonna struggle after graduation. But come out with a real degree and today's young people have it made.
This thread has turned so far away from it's original post. :/
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Originally Posted by Tasha
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Originally Posted by redietz
No Ron. A lot of US STEM jobs are now filled by east Indians. Chemistry would be an exception, there's always work there with a B.S. or higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer