weird blackjack results day

Boy I had a weird day today. I usually don't talk about my days immediately after they occur, but there was nothing unusual or that stood out about any of these sessions, so I don't think there is anything identifying. Plus, I am not so sure any casino people read this site. (maybe a dangerous assumption).

So I lost my first 3 sessions all at different casinos. Not huge losses, all several thousand dollars for a total of 8875. I didn't have enough money/chips remaining to safely start a new session. A lot of times I will quit for the day at this point. But this happens to be one of the best weeks to play blackjack in Vegas, after the rodeo people are gone and before the Holiday rush that starts Christmas eve. Really good blackjack conditions, lots of heads up play. So I wanted to continue playing, so I went to the bank and replenished.

Lost my next 2 sessions, both small losses and was now down, 12,650. I had enough for one more session. I won that session, a small win of a couple thousand, went to another casinos played and won another, and then two more after that. In the end 5 losing sessions, 4 winning sessions and I finished the day down $62.50. ;)

The $12,650 that I lost to start the day wouldn't have been my biggest single day loss, and the rebound of $12,587.50, wouldn't have been my biggest single day win. But both are pretty unusual at my level of play. So to first lose and then win back that amount, is pretty damn unusual at my stakes. :rolleyes:

There is a case to be made that the good playing conditions, several heads up games, can cause that kind of volatility. More than usual high counts which is where big wins and losses occur.

You are doing the chicken skin ballsack alligator thing again, singy and mr yo would be like a pig in shit.

Eh maybe not missed the comeback part first skim through.

This fucking idiot KJ just don’t know what to come up with and say next for attention.

Based on his story, it’s a quiet time of the year. Lots of heads up play. Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought card counters don’t like heads up play, since the pit could concentrate more on exactly what the counter is doing.

Then in five different casinos he losses 3K in three of them, and 2K in two others for almost 13K total.

After that he goes to four more casinos and wins 3K average from each place.

Now I’ve seen and know some people that could do much more damage one way or the other (win or lose) in one day. But their visits are once in a while and probably well known to the house if they’ve been there more then once. This clown KJ is going everyday like a full-time job.

So, in this case we’re talking about a professional card counter stationed in Las Vegas who some how stayed beneath the radar going on 12 or whatever many years it is, winning well over a million dollars and still going strong. Yet, he’s jumping around 9 different casinos losing and winning 25 thousand dollars in one day.

What’s next for attention? An announcement that a family of Gerbils are breading up his ass?

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Originally Posted by blackhole

This fucking idiot KJ just don’t know what to come up with and say next for attention.

Based on his story, it’s a quiet time of the year. Lots of heads up play. Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought card counters don’t like heads up play, since the pit could concentrate more on exactly what the counter is doing.

Then in five different casinos he losses 3K in three of them, and 2K in two others for almost 13K total.

After that he goes to four more casinos and wins 3K average from each place.

Now I’ve seen and know some people that could do much more damage one way or the other (win or lose) in one day. But their visits are once in a while and probably well known to the house if they’ve been there more then once. This clown KJ is going everyday like a full-time job.

So, in this case we’re talking about a professional card counter stationed in Las Vegas who some how stayed beneath the radar going on 12 or whatever many years it is, winning well over a million dollars and still going strong. Yet, he’s jumping around 9 different casinos losing and winning 25 thousand dollars in one day.

What’s next for attention? An announcement that a family of Gerbils are breading up his ass?

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Technically, I'm not supposed to stand up for KewlJ anymore, but I feel you are villanizing him for something that's actually pretty normal and believable.

kewlJ wrote:

"Lost my next 2 sessions, both small losses and was now down, 12,650. I had enough for one more session. I won that session, a small win of a couple thousand, went to another casinos played and won another, and then two more after that. In the end 5 losing sessions, 4 winning sessions and I finished the day down $62.50. "

However, the biggest concern you may have had that day itself was whether or not you got a free slice of pizza. :)

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Originally Posted by BoSox

However, the biggest concern you may have had that day itself was whether or not you got a free slice of pizza. :)

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I didn't get to the pizza play, Bosox. This was strictly a blackjack day and actually a card counting day and I haven't been doing that much card counting over the past few months as I have been spending a lot of time on another blackjack play (not HCing). Like I said, this is a special week. And I am going to get back to it momentarily as soon as I am done my oatmeal. :cool:

As for Blackhole, I shouldn't even bother answering his dribble. He is clearly showing he doesn't have a clue about this kind of play. But I will try to enlighten him, although it is probably useless as he seems incapable learning and is more focused on his hate. But possibly others may find something useful and beneficiary, so I will.

Winning and losing sessions of several thousand dollars are the norm for someone Max betting mid black. $2000 is 4-5 max bets. $3000 is 6-7 max bets. That would be like someone sitting at a $10 table and winning $40-$50 or $60-$70. That is about as normal as breathing, goofball.

And I don't know who ever told you that card counters don't like heads up play. :confused: It is true that heads up play often means that the casino is not crowded at that moment and it is possible that pit and surveillance but it usually starts with pit, could notice your play a little bit more. This is the trade off you make for getting in many more rounds in a very short time.

AND this is where knowing what limits are tolerated comes into play. And should your play draw attention, it still takes time for an proper evaluation, to be sure the player is really moving money with the count and not just varying wagers randomly. And contrary to common belief, takes even longer for a proper evaluation with heads up play than playing with a couple other players. This is because the heads up game moves so quickly (with a decent dealer), if someone was evaluating you, they probably can't do so in real time. They would have to keep going back and replaying every hand. This is why often with heads up play, if there is a problem, the consequences might be felt on your next visit. But all that is assuming there is a problem.

So there is a negative in that playing alone you may draw more attention, but that is offset by the game moving so quickly, that it is harder to evaluate in real time. A term I like to used is player exposure. For a card counter is exposed when he is sitting there with his large bet out waiting for the next round. That is the point when someone might say, Hey this guy is betting more than before. (and a chip fill or buy-in at that point is the worst). Heads up play, actually lessens that exposure.

Bottom line is there are pros and cons to all different situations. It works the other way too. Crowed conditions on a busy Saturday night or special event night, like a big boxing match or holiday weekend have both pros and cons. Con's would be that the game moves at a snails pace. Pros, that you can bet way more than usual because there are so many other players betting big (often much bigger than you). This is known as playing in the shadow of a whale (who is drawing all the attention). :cool:

You just have to weight the pros and cons of these different situations and this is where experience comes into play. I know when I am drawing attention and heat, long before any backoff. This is why I have so few backoffs these days. IF I get a backoff or temporary baring, then I have almost always missed several waring signs. That is what experience is, butthole!

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Boy I had a weird day today. I usually don't talk about my days immediately after they occur, but there was nothing unusual or that stood out about any of these sessions, so I don't think there is anything identifying. Plus, I am not so sure any casino people read this site. (maybe a dangerous assumption).

So I lost my first 3 sessions all at different casinos. Not huge losses, all several thousand dollars for a total of 8875. I didn't have enough money/chips remaining to safely start a new session. A lot of times I will quit for the day at this point. But this happens to be one of the best weeks to play blackjack in Vegas, after the rodeo people are gone and before the Holiday rush that starts Christmas eve. Really good blackjack conditions, lots of heads up play. So I wanted to continue playing, so I went to the bank and replenished.

Lost my next 2 sessions, both small losses and was now down, 12,650. I had enough for one more session. I won that session, a small win of a couple thousand, went to another casinos played and won another, and then two more after that. In the end 5 losing sessions, 4 winning sessions and I finished the day down $62.50. ;)

The $12,650 that I lost to start the day wouldn't have been my biggest single day loss, and the rebound of $12,587.50, wouldn't have been my biggest single day win. But both are pretty unusual at my level of play. So to first lose and then win back that amount, is pretty damn unusual at my stakes. :rolleyes:

There is a case to be made that the good playing conditions, several heads up games, can cause that kind of volatility. More than usual high counts which is where big wins and losses occur.

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Boy Moses is going to have a field day with this post.

Who? :confused:

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Who? :confused:

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The Philip Nolan of forums. Or is it the Norman Bates of Reno?

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Originally Posted by blackhole

This fucking idiot KJ just don’t know what to come up with and say next for attention.

Based on his story, it’s a quiet time of the year. Lots of heads up play. Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought card counters don’t like heads up play, since the pit could concentrate more on exactly what the counter is doing.

Then in five different casinos he losses 3K in three of them, and 2K in two others for almost 13K total.

After that he goes to four more casinos and wins 3K average from each place.

Now I’ve seen and know some people that could do much more damage one way or the other (win or lose) in one day. But their visits are once in a while and probably well known to the house if they’ve been there more then once. This clown KJ is going everyday like a full-time job.

So, in this case we’re talking about a professional card counter stationed in Las Vegas who some how stayed beneath the radar going on 12 or whatever many years it is, winning well over a million dollars and still going strong. Yet, he’s jumping around 9 different casinos losing and winning 25 thousand dollars in one day.

What’s next for attention? An announcement that a family of Gerbils are breading up his ass?

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The village idiot is back.

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Who? :confused:

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The Philip Nolan of forums. Or is it the Norman Bates of Reno?

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Welcome back 21forme. :) I had to look up Philip Nolan. I guess the reference is "man without a country". I tend to think more along the lines of Monty Python's Village idiot, but I see Mickey has already claimed that title for Blackhole. Maybe that is why Nut case Reno couldn't make it here....we already have a village idiot. So he had to move on to the next village, the land of the humorous farm (funny farm).

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Boy I had a weird day today. I usually don't talk about my days immediately after they occur, but there was nothing unusual or that stood out about any of these sessions, so I don't think there is anything identifying. Plus, I am not so sure any casino people read this site. (maybe a dangerous assumption).

So I lost my first 3 sessions all at different casinos. Not huge losses, all several thousand dollars for a total of 8875. I didn't have enough money/chips remaining to safely start a new session. A lot of times I will quit for the day at this point. But this happens to be one of the best weeks to play blackjack in Vegas, after the rodeo people are gone and before the Holiday rush that starts Christmas eve. Really good blackjack conditions, lots of heads up play. So I wanted to continue playing, so I went to the bank and replenished.

Lost my next 2 sessions, both small losses and was now down, 12,650. I had enough for one more session. I won that session, a small win of a couple thousand, went to another casinos played and won another, and then two more after that. In the end 5 losing sessions, 4 winning sessions and I finished the day down $62.50. ;)

The $12,650 that I lost to start the day wouldn't have been my biggest single day loss, and the rebound of $12,587.50, wouldn't have been my biggest single day win. But both are pretty unusual at my level of play. So to first lose and then win back that amount, is pretty damn unusual at my stakes. :rolleyes:

There is a case to be made that the good playing conditions, several heads up games, can cause that kind of volatility. More than usual high counts which is where big wins and losses occur.

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Boy Moses is going to have a field day with this post.

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I can just imagine what you would be thinking if you were behind $12,650 in one-day MWP. You would most likely think that you were behind 25 years of paying for roof shoveling.

Mr Kewlj if I recall you do not use a card when you play in order to protect your identity. Did any of the casinos where you had a loss offer you a comped meal at any point even though you didn't use a card?

My recent experience in Las Vegas is that ALL casinos now ask for a players card or ID before ANY table play. How do you deal with this?

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Mr Kewlj if I recall you do not use a card when you play in order to protect your identity. Did any of the casinos where you had a loss offer you a comped meal at any point even though you didn't use a card?

My recent experience in Las Vegas is that ALL casinos now ask for a players card or ID before ANY table play. How do you deal with this?

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I deal with it by being the one that sets the tone.

So, not all but many casinos do ask for a players card. When does this occur? It occurs when you buy-in and the pit is called over to verify the buy-in. That's when they ask for a players card. If you don't buy in (see chip inventory) that initial contact with pit is eliminated.

When the pit does get around to asking if I have a players card, I simply say no. There is usually a backup try....something like "if you have your ID I can make you one". To that I say, No I only have about 10 minutes and am not interested. That is usually the end of that. On very rare occasions there will be a thrird follow up. At that point I get a little nastier and just say NO, not interested!. I have never had it go further than that.

Some players like to go with a story that they don't want to play rated because they will get mail at home and be in trouble with their spouse. I don't do that, but it is an option.

and by the way, if you don't want to use a chip inventory or don't play that particular casino often enough to use a chip inventory, there is another little trick that usually keeps pit personnel off you back. Buy in small. 3-4 small bets. $100 at a $25 table. $20 at a $5 table. That sets the tone. Usually pit isn't even required to verify and if they are like the $100 at $25 table they often just give a quick wave, not wanting to be bothered since it looks like you are only playing a few hands. That small buy-in speaks volumes. It says" Hey I am not going to be here long and am no threat". You can always buy-in again, and again.

KJ, as always, thank you for some incisive info on certain maneuvers. While only a part time visitor to LV/AC I always appreciate the information.

My only contribution to AndrewG question is that playing with a card, while getting a free room may be held against you. My fraternity brother and I played four hours of BJ, politely asked for comps , and was told he would get nothing since he was getting a room for free. I receive $40 or so.

It is a double edged sword. When you get free rooms, you should use your card. You have to show play for future hotel comps. My buddy was not pleased. He is a big BJ player and did not believe the room should be a factor.

I have been in casinos where they will not allow any play at tables without a card or ID. The companies that have done this include Boyd and Stations.

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I have been in casinos where they will not allow any play at tables without a card or ID. The companies that have done this include Boyd and Stations.

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Please name the Stations casino that refused play at a table game without a players card? If you are young looking, they have a right, even an obligation by law to request ID, but there is no station Casino that I am aware of that refuses play without a players card, and I have 7 that I play at least once, sometimes twice a week. And the others in Las Vegas I certainly have played, they just aren't in my regular rotation for other reasons.

There is an Indian Casino in California that is run by Stations that I am not familiar with but other than that, I think you are mistaken or telling tall tales. Same with Boyd, at least in Las Vegas. Boyd is now national, so I can't speak to other jurisdictions.

There are places that will hound you for a players card, meaning ask several times, until you firmly tell them you are not interested, but I have never heard of a casino anywhere refusing play. About the closest I have heard is Borgata in Atlantic City and a couple others, limit you to a single hand when playing unrated. I think I remember someone saying they were flat bet because they were playing unrated.

I mean just imagine Benny Binion, Sam Boyd and others rolling over in their graves at the notion of a casino refusing action without a players card.

Mr Kewlj both Red Rock and Green Valley Ranch (Stations) and Sam's Town and Suncoast (Boyd) have refused play without ID. Are you going to call me a liar?

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Mr Kewlj both Red Rock and Green Valley Ranch (Stations) and Sam's Town and Suncoast (Boyd) have refused play without ID. Are you going to call me a liar?

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Well, I am not going to use the word "liar", but you are mistaken. If you are getting this information from someone else, they are wrong. If you are claiming it happened to you, then I don't believe you. I have a good friend who works the pit at one of the casinos mentioned, I will call him first thing in the morning, but I already know his answer.

Now again, if you are talking about casinos requesting ID from younger looking players that is something else. They are required to do that, although I am aware of some locations using that to harass younger players a more than necessary.

AndrewG, I have thought you are Alan since you joined this site.

Wow!!! An alan sock? A sock of the founding “father.” Is this place just one big sock fest?

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Mr Kewlj both Red Rock and Green Valley Ranch (Stations) and Sam's Town and Suncoast (Boyd) have refused play without ID. Are you going to call me a liar?

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Well, I am not going to use the word "liar", but you are mistaken. If you are getting this information from someone else, they are wrong. If you are claiming it happened to you, then I don't believe you. I have a good friend who works the pit at one of the casinos mentioned, I will call him first thing in the morning, but I already know his answer.

Now again, if you are talking about casinos requesting ID from younger looking players that is something else. They are required to do that, although I am aware of some locations using that to harass younger players a more than necessary.

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It has not happened to me because I always play with a card. I want my comps. Have I seen it happen? Many times. Were they younger players? Yes, I would consider them to be younger players. But younger to me includes those who might be in their late 20s.

I'm curious about your normal rotation. Don't you think that after a few visits of winning or losing a thousand dollars or more you'd be "known" and recognized? And after how many years in Vegas? Mr Kewlj do you really think you're flying under the radar? Or are they welcoming you because like other gamblers you win some and you lose some?

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Wow!!! An alan sock? A sock of the founding “father.” Is this place just one big sock fest?

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Mcap and KewlJ, I really don't think that Andrew is an Alan Sock. I can't see Alan making Socks and besides they have very different personalities when it comes to me personally. Andrew has talked shit about me a lot whereas Alan only talked bad about me ONCE and that was when he yelled at me in a PM after I gave him an unsolicited PM asking him for help.