That was quick. The United States popped to the top of the charts in number of confirmed cases. I think China's numbers were seriously fudged, but we'll leave their un-fudged numbers in the dust soon, anyway.
What a disorganized mess.
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That was quick. The United States popped to the top of the charts in number of confirmed cases. I think China's numbers were seriously fudged, but we'll leave their un-fudged numbers in the dust soon, anyway.
What a disorganized mess.
60% of Americans say Trump is doing a good job with the virus. Of course, you know that you are right and 60% of Americans are wrong. That's the liberal way.
VCT getting hit hard too...that infected boil PokerGrinder started festering here again today.
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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Oh, my! That means that 2 one-hundreths of 1% of Americans are infected. That's horrible. What are we going to do? It's a disorganized mess.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Sigh...may as well just rename this the damn Coronavirus/health/politics subforum at this point, all is lost.
I apologize, mickey. Let me rephrase this. What a disorganized mess, and 60% of Americans think Trump is doing a good job.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmOh, my! That means that 2 one-hundreths of 1% of Americans are infected. That's horrible. What are we going to do? It's a disorganized mess.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
At least Red...you are finally #1 in something and you have the data to back it up.
Sounds like redietz has way too much time on his hands.
FYI, the CDC estimates that there have been 23,000 - 59,000 flu deaths since 10/1, so how come redietz isn't whining about that?? :confused:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm
Just out of curiosity who conducted THAT poll? I see 3 legit recent polls on the topic, 1 by Reuters yesterday 49% approve of Trumps handling and 44 disapprove, a second one yesterday by Economist that was 48-46, and one by Fox News released today that was 51 approve and 46 disapprove of his handling of Coronavirus. All 3 slightly more approval, but only one even a majority. So who did this 60% poll you speak of. I am guessing some Trump friendly biased group or website. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Now let me say that personally, I don't think Trumps handling has been great, but I think he is doing the best he can. He was late to take it seriously and that is not debatable. Back in February he said we had 15 cases and would be down to zero in a few days. :rolleyes: I think he was optimisticly hoping for the best as he doesn't seem to be a guy that puts much stock in science. I give him a bit of a pass though because like he keeps saying, "nothing like this has ever happened before". Actually it has, but not in 100 years.
As I said earlier in the week, I don't think we should have shut down the government, country, economy and our way of life. I think you make people aware, and encourage them to take precautions, which would include social distancing, washing hands, and for the most vulnerable, older people and people with health issues and compromised immunity systems, maybe they decide to self isolate until the pandemic passes or there is a cure/vaccine.
add on: and as for the numbers themselves, US is far bigger than any other country with significant data except china and you throw their numbers out because they can't be trusted. So we are far bigger and have done more testing, so year, we are going to have far more confirmed cases.
But once the scientists and medical people got Trumps ear and probably scared him, he decided to shut down. And once he made that decision, you stick with it and give it a chance to work. You don't change course a few days later when the financial people manage to get your ear and convince you otherwise. But that is always a thing with Trump. Very often one of the last people to get his ear, makes the bigger impression on him. But again, I don't think he is intentionally trying to do a bad job or harm anyone. It may work out that way, but I think he is doing the best he can.
Add on: and as for the numbers themselves, the U.S. is bigger than anyone else, except china, who you can't believe their numbers. We are bigger and have done more testing, so yeah, we are going to have more confirmed cases and probably more deaths.
There is enough blame to go around. I just don't like those that bash only Trump when there is plenty of blame with democrats too. In February when they had all those Chinese festivals in New York, and lots of people were staying away, state officials including State Senator John Lieu told New Yorkers to come on down to the festivals, to not worry about the virus, to carry on as normal. And as late as March 11, Bill DeBlasio was saying the same thing to New Yorkers. That's why New York is the hot bed of coronavirus. But all libs want to do is bash Trump.
Think how much better you feel being able to blame Trump.
If Clinton won you would have to defend all her mistakes.
You should be happy you have someone to blame.
Trump wins again in 2020 and your crying continues.
Better yet, Trump loses and the Democrats take over the whole country through Martial Law.
Enjoy being locked up in a FEMA Camp.
#sustainableliving
lol... ok ok that was funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Nobody cares.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcap
Maybe Dan can make you moderator and you can be the new BBB.
Sit back and enjoy watching the libtards lie and spin things their way mickey, for tomorrow they will be crying in their cheap beer.
And all you want to do is defend Trump on EVERYTHING. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Your first sentence was right, there is blame to go around. The 2 trillion dollar relief bill is a perfect example. I saw you point out the Dems trying to get some of their pet agenda in and that was despicable. But the Repubs did the exact same thing and not a peep out of you guys. Politicians are politicians! That's what they do. You would have hoped if ever there was a time to set that aside and just focus on the country, this would have been it, but no....BOTH sides played politics right up until the end and almost had to be forced to do the right thing.
Trump may take credit for every decision but he doesn't make these decisions by himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
It's like everyone forgot how government works since Trump was elected.
Corporations have all of the power in reality.
Don't forget... the Casino Doors are Closed but their Hearts are Open lol lol lol.
As usual it is every Man, Woman and Child for themselves... nothing has changed.
Kew--The Republicans put a bunch of non-coronavirus-related pork into the bill just like Pelosi did?
Please explain what those items are....in any order.
Well I see you deleted the typical nasty Singer post you made. :confused: You really don't deserve an answer from me. You don't deserve anyone to treat you with anything but contempt. If you have forgotten how irrelevant you are and how no one believes anything you say, I have included a couple reminders at the bottom of this post. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
The repubs tried to minimize the payouts to workers. The original proposal, Trumps proposal last week called for (2) $1200 payouts, one in early April and a second in mid May. Republicans knocked that down to a single payment.
Also as I posted about over the weekend, the original proposal drafted by McConnell and the repubs, skipped over the most vulnerable people, Seniors on Social security and low income workers, who didn't earn enough to pay or file taxes. I mean this was a relief bill to help people make ends meet during this crisis and the repubs intentionally left out the most vulnerable, low income and seniors who live check to check and likely have little or no savings to fall back on.
Instead the repubs wanted what has been termed a "slush fund" to dole out to certain donar-freindly businesses, with absolutely no oversight. Trump declared HE would be the oversight, for which almost no one could keep a straight face. I'll bet the Trump businesses would have come out of this crisis smelling pretty under THAT scenario. :rolleyes:
BOTH SIDES PLAY POLITICS! anyone that doesn't acknowledge that simply is not close to being objective.
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...ems-claim-poll
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...le-up-bug-poll
I haven't seen anything on Republicans trying to get pork in the bill. Got a link? I'm not beyond agreeing with Dems. Like Sisolak. At first I was against his banning of hydroxychloroquine. I found out it was still okay to use in hospitals and his move was to protect the supply from hoarding by doctors for themselves, family and friends which was causing shortages. I even posted up online that I agreed with Sisolak.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJAnd all you want to do is defend Trump on EVERYTHING. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Your first sentence was right, there is blame to go around. The 2 million dollar relief bill is a perfect example. I saw you point out the Dems trying to get some of their pet agenda in and that was despicable. But the Repubs did the exact same thing and not a peep out of you guys. Politicians are politicians! That's what they do. You would have hoped if ever there was a time to set that aside and just focus on the country, this would have been it, but no....BOTH sides played politics right up until the end and almost had to be forced to do the right thing.
Do you remember H1N1? It hit in April, 2009. Infected 60 million Americans. 17,000 died. Obama didn't declare an emergency until October after 1100 people died. He never put on a travel ban. He didn't shut down the economy. He received great praise from the media for his handling of the virus. The truth is Obama didn't deserve any praise at all.
Ok, my mistake. I see the nasty post was in the MDawg thread. I'll just leave the reminders here instead of reposting them to the other thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I just saw the video on this Mickey. Couldn’t believe it, but like just over two weeks ago DeBlasio was calling for New Yorkers to go out, do things and ride the subway. And of course Cuomo never gets any blame from the media about not shutting down earlier. They were more concerned with calling the wuhan virus - racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You’re an ass Monet.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetThink how much better you feel being able to blame Trump.
If Clinton won you would have to defend all her mistakes.
You should be happy you have someone to blame.
Trump wins again in 2020 and your crying continues.
Better yet, Trump loses and the Democrats take over the whole country through Martial Law.
Enjoy being locked up in a FEMA Camp.
#sustainableliving
lol... ok ok that was funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Nobody cares.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcap
Maybe Dan can make you moderator and you can be the new BBB.
Smart Ass... Smart Ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcap
Seriously though the Agenda is using this crisis to further the One World Government.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExGaCwXpUjQ
Multiple errors again kew.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJWell I see you deleted the typical nasty Singer post you made. :confused: You really don't deserve an answer from me. You don't deserve anyone to treat you with anything but contempt. If you have forgotten how irrelevant you are and how no one believes anything you say, I have included a couple reminders at the bottom of this post. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
The repubs tried to minimize the payouts to workers. The original proposal, Trumps proposal last week called for (2) $1200 payouts, one in early April and a second in mid May. Republicans knocked that down to a single payment.
Also as I posted about over the weekend, the original proposal drafted by McConnell and the repubs, skipped over the most vulnerable people, Seniors on Social security and low income workers, who didn't earn enough to pay or file taxes. I mean this was a relief bill to help people make ends meet during this crisis and the repubs intentionally left out the most vulnerable, low income and seniors who live check to check and likely have little or no savings to fall back on.
Instead the repubs wanted what has been termed a "slush fund" to dole out to certain donar-freindly businesses, with absolutely no oversight. Trump declared HE would be the oversight, for which almost no one could keep a straight face. I'll bet the Trump businesses would have come out of this crisis smelling pretty under THAT scenario. :rolleyes:
BOTH SIDES PLAY POLITICS! anyone that doesn't acknowledge that simply is not close to being objective.
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...ems-claim-poll
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...le-up-bug-poll
I didn't delete any posts and I don't know why you'd think an expert poster such as I would do that.
As expected, you danced around the issue so again I'll ask: exactly what items did the Republicans try to include into the bill that have nothing to do with coronavirus? You saw where Pelosi despicably held things up thinking she'd sneak stoopid dem agenda items throughout. But as usual the 80 year old hag got caught. To the delight of many.
This is why New York became the epicenter of coronavirus.
Tucker: How local leaders failed their cities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNflR2Ia7Hc
This thread reminds me of a book many years ago called How to Lie With Statistics. Sure, the U.S is now number 1 in coronavirus cases with about 90K. But here is another perspective:
Population of U.S. = 328 million
Coronavirus Cases = 87,000
Combined population of UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy = 330 million
Combined Coronavirus Cases = 226,000
At this point, people will be fleeing to Anctartica very soon to escape Covid-19!
Around 9 million people die of hunger and hunger-related diseases every year, more than the lives taken by AIDS, malaria and tuberculosis combined.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Today, some 821 million people suffer chronically from hunger worldwide.
Last Year the world produced enough food to feed more than 10 Billion People in a world of about 7.6 Billion.
Obviously nobody gives a shit but take away their sports (Modern Day Gladiators) and they are ready to revolt lol lol lol.
So tired of hearing people cry about no March Madness, Baseball or all the other luxury bullshit.
Mind you, these are the same people who can't give one dollar to the homeless guy on the street.
They would rather come on here like Boz, Mr V or others telling you how offended they are or how they should be hit in the head with baseball bats.
It seems its ok to ask the taxpayer for 50 Billion Dollars though as the Government pays up to Corporate Entities lol lol lol.
Nice job of lumping us together for effect. About what I would expect from your paranoia filled mind. By the way, I wonder how V is doing? He actually kept his word on staying away from the forums for what he said was his own best financial interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetAround 9 million people die of hunger and hunger-related diseases every year, more than the lives taken by AIDS, malaria and tuberculosis combined.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Today, some 821 million people suffer chronically from hunger worldwide.
Last Year the world produced enough food to feed more than 10 Billion People in a world of about 7.6 Billion.
Obviously nobody gives a shit but take away their sports (Modern Day Gladiators) and they are ready to revolt lol lol lol.
So tired of hearing people cry about no March Madness, Baseball or all the other luxury bullshit.
Mind you, these are the same people who can't give one dollar to the homeless guy on the street.
They would rather come on here like Boz, Mr V or others telling you how offended they are or how they should be hit in the head with baseball bats.
It seems its ok to ask the taxpayer for 50 Billion Dollars though as the Government pays up to Corporate Entities lol lol lol.
Anyways V wanted to bash homeless with a bat. I’m more of the fuck 99% of them based on them making life choices and decisions to end up on the street. I’m also all for helping those who never had the mental or physical ability to become productive enough to take care of theirselves. We all owe them help and can guarantee you that you have no clue how much I have done for that group over the years.
Count me as crying over the lack of baseball, MM and other staples of normal life. As for government money for companies and Americans, I’m all for it. Because I believe in helping those who are in a bad situation though NO fault of their own. People losing their job need help even if they made bad financial choices and don’t have savings, at least they were working and trying. I do not feel bad for anyone who has scammed the system for years and worked for cash not getting a check. You received your check every April when you didn’t pay everything you owed.
All that said, I agree with you on all the other deaths across the world. We as Americans for the most part always valued our lives as more important that some poor kid in Africa. Other than maybe my mother telling me to eat all the food on my plate because some poor kid in Africa is starving 50 years ago.
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Originally Posted by Kaboom
This will surpass the lower figure in six weeks, not six months. Unless there is a nationwide lockdown, it will surpass the upper figure, and likely by a wide margin.
Look, anyone could insert a clip of President Trump claiming, one month ago, that there were 15 U.S. cases and soon it would approach zero. Nobody else said anything that completely, utterly wrong. It's on tape. Check it out. I'm sure the Democratic party will be running that clip throughout the summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
But it has nothing to do with what is happening now, which is still a mess.
Only in the world according to redietz do flu deaths suddenly stop and wait around for Coronavirus deaths to catch up.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by Kaboom
This will surpass the lower figure in six weeks, not six months. Unless there is a nationwide lockdown, it will surpass the upper figure, and likely by a wide margin.
Do you really handicap sports?
To put things in proper mathematical context, the current U.S. death projection for this is 80,000 if current restrictions are tightened up.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmI haven't seen anything on Republicans trying to get pork in the bill. Got a link? I'm not beyond agreeing with Dems. Like Sisolak. At first I was against his banning of hydroxychloroquine. I found out it was still okay to use in hospitals and his move was to protect the supply from hoarding by doctors for themselves, family and friends which was causing shortages. I even posted up online that I agreed with Sisolak.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJAnd all you want to do is defend Trump on EVERYTHING. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Your first sentence was right, there is blame to go around. The 2 million dollar relief bill is a perfect example. I saw you point out the Dems trying to get some of their pet agenda in and that was despicable. But the Repubs did the exact same thing and not a peep out of you guys. Politicians are politicians! That's what they do. You would have hoped if ever there was a time to set that aside and just focus on the country, this would have been it, but no....BOTH sides played politics right up until the end and almost had to be forced to do the right thing.
Do you remember H1N1? It hit in April, 2009. Infected 60 million Americans. 17,000 died. Obama didn't declare an emergency until October after 1100 people died. He never put on a travel ban. He didn't shut down the economy. He received great praise from the media for his handling of the virus. The truth is Obama didn't deserve any praise at all.
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Originally Posted by dannyjI just saw the video on this Mickey. Couldn’t believe it, but like just over two weeks ago DeBlasio was calling for New Yorkers to go out, do things and ride the subway. And of course Cuomo never gets any blame from the media about not shutting down earlier. They were more concerned with calling the wuhan virus - racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I never had any problem with it being called the Wuhan Virus, as science often names things after points of origin. So if you have Cambrian shale, why not a Wuhan virus?
Only in the world of Trump could such strange, eccentric persons become bedfellows. Don't you miss the days that Singer and Crimm went at it. Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I think you better take a look at the new models.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzTo put things in proper mathematical context, the current U.S. death projection for this is 80,000 if current restrictions are tightened up.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmI haven't seen anything on Republicans trying to get pork in the bill. Got a link? I'm not beyond agreeing with Dems. Like Sisolak. At first I was against his banning of hydroxychloroquine. I found out it was still okay to use in hospitals and his move was to protect the supply from hoarding by doctors for themselves, family and friends which was causing shortages. I even posted up online that I agreed with Sisolak.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Do you remember H1N1? It hit in April, 2009. Infected 60 million Americans. 17,000 died. Obama didn't declare an emergency until October after 1100 people died. He never put on a travel ban. He didn't shut down the economy. He received great praise from the media for his handling of the virus. The truth is Obama didn't deserve any praise at all.
https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrW...0ZLgKvQ_SGm1g-
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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Give it two weeks, mickey. The way things should turn out, based on population, the final tally should be China, India, U.S. in terms of total number of cases and presumably deaths. Well, China likely fudged their numbers by a good bit, but the U.S. is passing even their un-fudged numbers.
The reason this is a mess is that one would think that the country with the most resources, given a two month heads up, would be better organized and able to ameliorate the stats in their favor. But it's going to go the other way -- the U.S. is looking more and more like another version of Italy.
By the way, mickey, don't you think that it's ironic that, when listing total populations and total cases, you left China out of your summary?
No need to watch the video.
I think you best check the total fatality models and infection rates, not rate of mortality.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmI think you better take a look at the new models.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzTo put things in proper mathematical context, the current U.S. death projection for this is 80,000 if current restrictions are tightened up.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrW...0ZLgKvQ_SGm1g-
No one has said anything stupider? Did you watch the Tucker Carlson video of New York officials begging people to attend the parades in Feruary telling them not to fear the coronavirus? If you didn't watch it then here it is again.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzLook, anyone could insert a clip of President Trump claiming, one month ago, that there were 15 U.S. cases and soon it would approach zero. Nobody else said anything that completely, utterly wrong. It's on tape. Check it out. I'm sure the Democratic party will be running that clip throughout the summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
But it has nothing to do with what is happening now, which is still a mess.
https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrW...fySZ6NelcCfus-
Did I use up my six posts, for the day, yet? Some more stats. Six-shooter me.
I think you should watch something else besides CNN and MSDNC. Those Stanford doctors aren't the only ones saying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzI think you best check the total fatality models and infection rates, not rate of mortality.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmI think you better take a look at the new models.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrW...0ZLgKvQ_SGm1g-
If California is projected to have a 50% infection rate, and New York 70-80%, that means those percentages of the people get the virus. Plug in your mortality rates and do the math. Germany and Italy are looking at well over 50% total infected. Even if the numbers are low in places like Montana and Idaho, it'll still likely be 15% infected on up. Plug in the mortality rates and add up the figures.
That 80,000 U.S. deaths was an optimistic lowball number.
Virtually every number, every scenario we have gotten in advance thus far has been an underestimation. That is not blaming the administration so much as the entire federal government. The military, for example, monitoring China, undoubtedly knew how bad this was going to be. They have the models.
To be clear on this, using the president's self-rating system, I would give President Trump about a 1 on a 1-10 scale, and that's for the Chinese ban. I'd give the rest of the federal government a 2.
You're quoting rate of mortality, mickey. Those rates are likely correct. Do the overall math.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmI think you should watch something else besides CNN and MSDNC. Those Stanford doctors aren't the only ones saying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzI think you best check the total fatality models and infection rates, not rate of mortality.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Something is up with Germany. 50K cases and only 300 deaths. I figure the 90K cases in the U.S. is more like 500K cases but a lot of people aren't getting sick. The mortality rate is likely well under 1%.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Thanks red.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by dannyjI just saw the video on this Mickey. Couldn’t believe it, but like just over two weeks ago DeBlasio was calling for New Yorkers to go out, do things and ride the subway. And of course Cuomo never gets any blame from the media about not shutting down earlier. They were more concerned with calling the wuhan virus - racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I never had any problem with it being called the Wuhan Virus, as science often names things after points of origin. So if you have Cambrian shale, why not a Wuhan virus?
Big part of the problem collecting data is that we don't know how other countries are calculating their data and how reliable each countries numbers are.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I absolutely hope your "figuring" is true mickey, but without testing to confirm, that is all it is....figuring or guesswork. I want to see hard data that confirms this very point. That would be great news! We only get that with testing and not just those with symptoms. At very least we need a large test group.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Imperial College scientist that predicted 500K UK deaths adjusts figure to 20K or lower. Dude's a scientist. That would be 0.003% of the UK population, 67,0000,000. That's 3 one-hundreths of 1% of the population. .Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJBig part of the problem collecting data is that we don't know how other countries are calculating their data and how reliable each countries numbers are.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I absolutely hope your "figuring" is true mickey, but without testing to confirm, that is all it is....figuring or guesswork. I want to see hard data that confirms this very point. That would be great news! We only get that with testing and not just those with symptoms. At very least we need a large test group.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrW...2aPK8D38KhvKU-
If you give Trump a 1 then you must give European leaders a fraction of 1, correct? Roughly the same population with 3 times as many cases. What would you rate them at, .3, .2?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Redietz, you are pushing false narrative. Over on WoV you said we are number one in coronavirus cases and then you said "So I'm sitting in the worst country for it." As if having the most cases is proof positive that we are the worst country for it. Remember that book I was talking about, How to Lie With Statistics. Well you just did it again. You are not in the worst country for it. We are way down the lists on per capita infections and deaths. We're like 3rd in population and 30th in per capita infections. But nice try with the false narrative again.
Perhaps you might want to sit the virus out in Italy or Spain since we are ahead of them in cases.
Redietz wrote:
"To be clear on this, using the president's self-rating system, I would give President Trump about a 1 on a 1-10 scale, and that's for the Chinese ban. I'd give the rest of the federal government a 2."
Trump still comes out in a tie with you if comparing apples to oranges regarding your sportsbook picks. Oh, I forgot you don't actually stick your neck out and make any picks.
I miss the old Redietz who talked about street guys and no such thing as a Mob.
This guy used to talk about how Rob Singer might get whacked.
The new Redietz is pushing an Anti-Trump Agenda and fits in well with the Liberal Base/Bias of WoV.
Personally I ignored the Real Estate Crisis and H1N1.
Unfortunately the Kung Fu Flu cannot be ignored because they shut everything down.
Trump was against it but had to succumb to the pressure.
He is trying to block this Agenda but he can only slow it down.
The youth has been indoctrinated and eventually Socialism will take over no matter how many resist.
Redietz knows he's lying and falsely spinning different snippets of information, but like all liberals who claim they're "progressives and not liberals" he cannot figure why it is that Trump's approval numbers has climbed steadily across the entire political spectrum during his handling of this crisis. That "1" he gives Trump---even that had to eat away at his insides.
Tasha, this is another excellent post by you! These kind of comments are priceless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
Nope. It was Gallup.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJJust out of curiosity who conducted THAT poll? I see 3 legit recent polls on the topic, 1 by Reuters yesterday 49% approve of Trumps handling and 44 disapprove, a second one yesterday by Economist that was 48-46, and one by Fox News released today that was 51 approve and 46 disapprove of his handling of Coronavirus. All 3 slightly more approval, but only one even a majority. So who did this 60% poll you speak of. I am guessing some Trump friendly biased group or website. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
What is hilarious is main stream media complained for months about no press briefings from Trump. Now that he’s doing them on coronavirus and getting good approval ratings they want to quit covering his briefings.
Won’t be #1 for long....the fibrous fecal matter strikes the rotating blades in Russia.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/putins-bi...101837896.html
Can someone explain to me why British Royals would relocate to LA, California???
Especially during a Statewide Stay at Home Order??
Why would she work for Disney?
Did the Queen disown them??
I would think you would want to hide out on some 53,000 Acre Estate like Prince Charles.
Didn't we ban International Travel?
Oh... seems they got out of Canada right before the ban.
I don't really follow this stuff and after a few minutes of reading, it seems like a mess that has gone on over a year.
I never understood the whole marriage anyway.
I was just kinda surprised yesterday when I heard they moved to LA and were under 14 day quarantine.
Seems odd that you would want to move to a so called Hot Spot.
Hope that helps some.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
They said they wouldn't move to U.S. until Trump was out of office as they are both kneejerk liberals. That didn't hold up.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
National Geographic is fake news.
We are now past half the American deaths caused by 19 Muslims on one September morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Should sprint past that 3,000 figure by 30 times or more.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
It better, otherwise it wouldn’t even be as deadly as the common flu. In 2017-2028 flu season, 61,000 people died in US. I got my numbers from cdc.gov (center for disease control and prevention). The death total for conoravirus in United States are still 58,000 less than we saw in 2017 for the flu. I get it’s worse than the flu and the numbers are going to continue to rise.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
It's despicable the glee you take in peoples deaths. I don't understand how you can hate to the degree you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
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Originally Posted by quahaugIt's despicable the glee you take in peoples deaths. I don't understand how you can hate to the degree you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
If I hated people, I wouldn't be on here emphasizing how bad this is going to be. This site, if you'll notice, is filled with deniers and people who take non-experts' opinions over experts'.
I'm trying to get people to wake up a day, two days, a week ahead of what they might otherwise do if they listened to the optimistic posts on this site. Cut off the social interaction, jam your optimism, and be prepared. I've been ahead of the curve because I've read the international papers for months and have some sense of what a pandemic is, partly because my late wife's research had to do with Native Americans at time of contact, when they were wiped out by pandemics.
The last 36 hours point towards this being far, far worse than I thought it would be, and I thought it would be horrendous.
Lucky you.
Not much anyone can really do.
Stock Up, Pray and most likely comply.
Compliance can only go so far for some people though.
Nobody on this site has any control over this including myself.
Scary stuff in Rhode Island though going door to door to locate New Yorkers lol.
Seems like States are about to be waging war on one another.
Nevada is one of the last hold outs for mandates.
I am looking forward to the 120 degree summer.
https://www.usnews.com/news/us/artic...ng-new-yorkers
SOOPOO is a doctor who is either retired or close to it. He's responding to redietz:Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by quahaugIt's despicable the glee you take in peoples deaths. I don't understand how you can hate to the degree you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
If I hated people, I wouldn't be on here emphasizing how bad this is going to be. This site, if you'll notice, is filled with deniers and people who take non-experts' opinions over experts'.
I'm trying to get people to wake up a day, two days, a week ahead of what they might otherwise do if they listened to the optimistic posts on this site. Cut off the social interaction, jam your optimism, and be prepared. I've been ahead of the curve because I've read the international papers for months and have some sense of what a pandemic is, partly because my late wife's research had to do with Native Americans at time of contact, when they were wiped out by pandemics.
The last 36 hours point towards this being far, far worse than I thought it would be, and I thought it would be horrendous.
Zev Zalenko, a prominent New York doctors says he is up to 699 patients treated with hydroxychloroquine with no deaths or intubations.
The bluest states seem to be the most into controlling people. It doesn't help that our governor is a control freak woman. She comes on the radio every day to blather away so that's when I shut it off. I don't think the check ups are random as there are a lot of empty neighborhoods in some towns on the beach. I'm sure the cops notice some of the comings and goings of the New Yorkers and are giving them a welcome back visit. There are way more people from Connecticut with summer homes though.Quote:
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Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by quahaugIt's despicable the glee you take in peoples deaths. I don't understand how you can hate to the degree you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
If I hated people, I wouldn't be on here emphasizing how bad this is going to be. This site, if you'll notice, is filled with deniers and people who take non-experts' opinions over experts'.
I'm trying to get people to wake up a day, two days, a week ahead of what they might otherwise do if they listened to the optimistic posts on this site. Cut off the social interaction, jam your optimism, and be prepared. I've been ahead of the curve because I've read the international papers for months and have some sense of what a pandemic is, partly because my late wife's research had to do with Native Americans at time of contact, when they were wiped out by pandemics.
The last 36 hours point towards this being far, far worse than I thought it would be, and I thought it would be horrendous.
Twenty minutes ago, Dr. Fauci reported that previous projections were low, and that he expected between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths, but he didn't want to be held to that. The frightening aspect of this is that at each step, we have been given underestimations.
I watched an interview last night with one of South Korea's leading epidemiologists, who gives a Dragnet-style interview. Very matter of fact. It's subtitled. Some of his key points: wearing masks has no down side, and the recommendation to not wear them probably has more to do with medical professionals in the U.S. needing them as opposed to efficacy of the masks. He also says a country like South Korea would normally need 10 years to develop a practical working vaccine, but the U.S., if everything goes absolutely perfectly, may be able to do it in 18 months. He also says the U.S. and Europe appeared overconfident regarding the virus and cultural differences make it hard for the U.S. to respond optimally.
I recommend the interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAk7aX5hksU
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Originally Posted by mickeycrimmSOOPOO is a doctor who is either retired or close to it. He's responding to redietz:Quote:
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Originally Posted by quahaug
If I hated people, I wouldn't be on here emphasizing how bad this is going to be. This site, if you'll notice, is filled with deniers and people who take non-experts' opinions over experts'.
I'm trying to get people to wake up a day, two days, a week ahead of what they might otherwise do if they listened to the optimistic posts on this site. Cut off the social interaction, jam your optimism, and be prepared. I've been ahead of the curve because I've read the international papers for months and have some sense of what a pandemic is, partly because my late wife's research had to do with Native Americans at time of contact, when they were wiped out by pandemics.
The last 36 hours point towards this being far, far worse than I thought it would be, and I thought it would be horrendous.
Mickey, I don't know why you even bothered with this. This is what's called a false equivalency. I wasn't comparing socialized medicine anywhere with the U.S. for-profit system. I was paraphrasing multiple doctors who were explaining publicly why there was a shortfall of equipment in the U.S. when the U.S. is such a rich country. And the answer is that for-profits have no motive to stockpile equipment that will be in use only for emergencies. The military, for example, isn't for-profit, so it can stockpile equipment that may only be used in very rare circumstances or never. For-profit models don't allow for that unless subsidized by the federal government, in which case they are really not pure for-profits. They are socialized. The point the doctors were making is that if U.S. medicine was a more socialized model, the U.S. would have more emergency supplies, including ventilators, ready in a national stockpile.
What you’re missing is our for-profit system gives much better health care than all the socialist European systems. That’s why most of the wealthy in Europe and Canada come to US when they need health care. Check the stastics with the Canadians. They are flocking over here, because they can’t get decent health care in their own government controlled system.Quote:
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Originally Posted by mickeycrimmSOOPOO is a doctor who is either retired or close to it. He's responding to redietz:Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Mickey, I don't know why you even bothered with this. This is what's called a false equivalency. I wasn't comparing socialized medicine anywhere with the U.S. for-profit system. I was paraphrasing multiple doctors who were explaining publicly why there was a shortfall of equipment in the U.S. when the U.S. is such a rich country. And the answer is that for-profits have no motive to stockpile equipment that will be in use only for emergencies. The military, for example, isn't for-profit, so it can stockpile equipment that may only be used in very rare circumstances or never. For-profit models don't allow for that unless subsidized by the federal government, in which case they are really not pure for-profits. They are socialized. The point the doctors were making is that if U.S. medicine was a more socialized model, the U.S. would have more emergency supplies, including ventilators, ready in a national stockpile.
As far as these countries that have socialist health care, they were NO better prepared than us. You think some government agency is going to know what to stock pile? They barely know how to deliver the mail. Our country is doing a much better job scaling up and providing what’s necessary during this crises than all these other socialist countries. Take a look at Italy, if you want to see a failed socialist health care system.
No system is prefect, but ours is a lot better than most. Liberals are not going to be happy until everybody gets the worse health care possible, supplied and managed by our government. Liberals won’t even be happy then, because they are just a unhappy group, always finding something to complain about.
Do you mean like the European countries with their socialized medicine were all stocked up for the virus? Then why are countries like Italy and Spain letting old folks die without treatment?Quote:
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Originally Posted by mickeycrimmSOOPOO is a doctor who is either retired or close to it. He's responding to redietz:Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Mickey, I don't know why you even bothered with this. This is what's called a false equivalency. I wasn't comparing socialized medicine anywhere with the U.S. for-profit system. I was paraphrasing multiple doctors who were explaining publicly why there was a shortfall of equipment in the U.S. when the U.S. is such a rich country. And the answer is that for-profits have no motive to stockpile equipment that will be in use only for emergencies. The military, for example, isn't for-profit, so it can stockpile equipment that may only be used in very rare circumstances or never. For-profit models don't allow for that unless subsidized by the federal government, in which case they are really not pure for-profits. They are socialized. The point the doctors were making is that if U.S. medicine was a more socialized model, the U.S. would have more emergency supplies, including ventilators, ready in a national stockpile.
Nancy Pelosi just said Trump denied the coronavirus. Nancy Pelosi went into Chinatown San Francisco on Feb 24 to show support and asked people to come on down when crowds didn't show up. There's a hell of a lot more people to blame than just Donald Trump. And Pelosi is one of them.
https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/s...&hsimp=yhs-102
One positive note on the coronavirus. The social distancing, shutdown, has positive tests for the flu declining:
https://t.co/4qk6TO7W6h?amp=1https:/...k6TO7W6h?amp=1
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Originally Posted by mickeycrimmDo you mean like the European countries with their socialized medicine were all stocked up for the virus? Then why are countries like Italy and Spain letting old folks die without treatment?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Mickey, I don't know why you even bothered with this. This is what's called a false equivalency. I wasn't comparing socialized medicine anywhere with the U.S. for-profit system. I was paraphrasing multiple doctors who were explaining publicly why there was a shortfall of equipment in the U.S. when the U.S. is such a rich country. And the answer is that for-profits have no motive to stockpile equipment that will be in use only for emergencies. The military, for example, isn't for-profit, so it can stockpile equipment that may only be used in very rare circumstances or never. For-profit models don't allow for that unless subsidized by the federal government, in which case they are really not pure for-profits. They are socialized. The point the doctors were making is that if U.S. medicine was a more socialized model, the U.S. would have more emergency supplies, including ventilators, ready in a national stockpile.
You are trying to make the case that the United States, with its resources and history and personnel, would have a significantly inferior health care system if it were operating on more socialized models. One could make the exact opposite claim, that the more socialized health care systems of a place like Italy would provide better care if it had the resources, history, and personnel of the United States.
The countries, their history, and their personnel, are not equivalent. Their GDPs are not equivalent. Their tech is not necessarily equivalent.
You are trying to say that the usually fine U.S. health care system is what it is because it's for-profit, not because of it's resources, history, tech, and personnel. You are trying, at the same time, to argue that the failures of the health care system at this time are somehow not a result of the for-profit model.
What the doctors were saying is that the for-profit model of the United States is the reason supplies were short. because, for all of the resources and riches of the U.S., there is no motivation for companies to stockpile rarely needed resources for emergencies. This is unlike the military, which is not for-profit, and which routinely does research and stocks munitions that are rarely and sometimes never used. In this case, as with most emergencies of this nature, a more socialized model would have been better prepared with supplies and ventilators.
It was increasingly obvious that, this century, at some point and probably multiple points, the for-profit health care system in the U.S. was going to face these threats, in which a military model would have done significantly better than a for-profit model. It was inevitable.
Some of you seem to be feel threatened anytime the word "socialized" is inserted in a sentence. Maybe the word "military" would be better. The U.S. health care system would have been better served for COVID-19, and will be better served for future pandemics, with a military not-for-profit model.
200,000 deaths? Why that's, that's, that's six one-hundreths of 1% of the American population. It's doomsday I tell you. We're all gonna die!!! How can America survive? We can't. This is the end, folks. Been good to know ya.Quote:
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Originally Posted by quahaug
If I hated people, I wouldn't be on here emphasizing how bad this is going to be. This site, if you'll notice, is filled with deniers and people who take non-experts' opinions over experts'.
I'm trying to get people to wake up a day, two days, a week ahead of what they might otherwise do if they listened to the optimistic posts on this site. Cut off the social interaction, jam your optimism, and be prepared. I've been ahead of the curve because I've read the international papers for months and have some sense of what a pandemic is, partly because my late wife's research had to do with Native Americans at time of contact, when they were wiped out by pandemics.
The last 36 hours point towards this being far, far worse than I thought it would be, and I thought it would be horrendous.
Twenty minutes ago, Dr. Fauci reported that previous projections were low, and that he expected between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths, but he didn't want to be held to that. The frightening aspect of this is that at each step, we have been given underestimations.
I watched an interview last night with one of South Korea's leading epidemiologists, who gives a Dragnet-style interview. Very matter of fact. It's subtitled. Some of his key points: wearing masks has no down side, and the recommendation to not wear them probably has more to do with medical professionals in the U.S. needing them as opposed to efficacy of the masks. He also says a country like South Korea would normally need 10 years to develop a practical working vaccine, but the U.S., if everything goes absolutely perfectly, may be able to do it in 18 months. He also says the U.S. and Europe appeared overconfident regarding the virus and cultural differences make it hard for the U.S. to respond optimally.
I recommend the interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAk7aX5hksU