re-opening USA?

total deaths from Coronavirus:

March 1: 2
April 1: 4800
May 1: we will be over 60,000 (currently 54,000)

Exactly how are we on a downward trajectory ready to reopen? ;)



By the way 60,000 deaths was the number that the Washington Model had earlier this month for deaths thru August 4. We are going to hit that by May 1.

And the number of 60,000 in the Washington Model was if everything was shutdown. Remember Trump saying the model showed 2.2 million if we did nothing. So if we are going to open everything up, don't we go right back to that 2.2 million projection number?

I am not trying to be a doom-sayer here. I just fail to see how anything has changed. If we open up aren't we right back to where we were March 15, which was 2.2 million deaths projected? Seems like the decision to closed was based on science, and the projection models and the decision to open is because people have decided they are tired of staying home. :rolleyes:

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total deaths from Coronavirus:

March 1: 2
April 1: 4800
May 1: we will be over 60,000 (currently 54,000)

Exactly how are we on a downward trajectory ready to reopen? ;)



By the way 60,000 deaths was the number that the Washington Model had earlier this month for deaths thru August 4. We are going to hit that by May 1.

And the number of 60,000 in the Washington Model was if everything was shutdown. Remember Trump saying the model showed 2.2 million if we did nothing. So if we are going to open everything up, don't we go right back to that 2.2 million projection number?

I am not trying to be a doom-sayer here. I just fail to see how anything has changed. If we open up aren't we right back to where we were March 15, which was 2.2 million deaths projected? Seems like the decision to closed was based on science, and the projection models and the decision to open is because people have decided they are tired of staying home. :rolleyes:

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Kj, if you’re going to quote stats, then please include the age of the people dying. The people dying aren’t a random cross section of our population. Most are very old, or people with some underling condition who were close to kicking the bucket anyway. And while dying is tragic, it does happen.

Also, nobody said when things open up, there will be a law saying you can’t stay home hunkered down in your basement. “Opening” things up means you have the “freedom” to go places if you want to. It also means you have the “freedom” to stay in your house and not come out. I know the concept of “freedom” is probably a difficult concept for you liberals to understand, so I thought I’d explain it to you.

Btw, take a look at the Sweden thread. There’s a lot of good stuff on that thread showing you how a country can “open up” and still not create Armageddon. It’s called people acting responsibly.

It sounds like you’re a lot like Don, believing all people are just “lambs”, needing direction from the government before they know what to do. It’s kind of sad you have such a lowly view of humanity.

Don't worry about it anymore.
Open up or Stay at Home doesn't matter now.
The Fear that has been created is too strong.
Expect serious changes in the near future
Not much use for card counting or machine hustling anymore.
Time to learn a new trade.
It's a little late to learn but Farming, Hunting/Fishing and Survivalism could be useful.
Adapt or Die.

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total deaths from Coronavirus:

March 1: 2
April 1: 4800
May 1: we will be over 60,000 (currently 54,000)

Exactly how are we on a downward trajectory ready to reopen? ;)



By the way 60,000 deaths was the number that the Washington Model had earlier this month for deaths thru August 4. We are going to hit that by May 1.

And the number of 60,000 in the Washington Model was if everything was shutdown. Remember Trump saying the model showed 2.2 million if we did nothing. So if we are going to open everything up, don't we go right back to that 2.2 million projection number?

I am not trying to be a doom-sayer here. I just fail to see how anything has changed. If we open up aren't we right back to where we were March 15, which was 2.2 million deaths projected? Seems like the decision to closed was based on science, and the projection models and the decision to open is because people have decided they are tired of staying home. :rolleyes:

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Kj, if you’re going to quote stats, then please include the age of the people dying. The people dying aren’t a random cross section of our population. Most are very old, or people with some underling condition who were close to kicking the bucket anyway. And while dying is tragic, it does happen.

Also, nobody said when things open up, there will be a law saying you can’t stay home hunkered down in your basement. “Opening” things up means you have the “freedom” to go places if you want to. It also means you have the “freedom” to stay in your house and not come out. I know the concept of “freedom” is probably a difficult concept for you liberals to understand, so I thought I’d explain it to you.

Btw, take a look at the Sweden thread. There’s a lot of good stuff on that thread showing you how a country can “open up” and still not create Armageddon. It’s called people acting responsibly.

It sounds like you’re a lot like Don, believing all people are just “lambs”, needing direction from the government before they know what to do. It’s kind of sad you have such a lowly view of humanity.

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Fuck you Bob21! I am tired of playing your game. You demonize everyone who has any though different than your own. As soon as I post this reply, you are on ignore. I think I did that before and some where along the line decided to give you another chance. That was my mistake.

So, I didn't say that we shouldn't re-open did I asshole? As a matter of fact if you read my post shortly after the shutdown, I said we should probably just endure the 2 million or so deaths for a year or however long it takes to get a vaccine, as unpleasant as that may be. I said the path chosen was going to create a worse situation (financial) for the country and so many more people. A situation that it would take years to recover from. Also in that early post back in March, I said, I don't see how a shutdown changes anything. At some point you have to re-open and unless there is a vaccine or treatment, you go right back to the exact same situation.

So I am not saying we shouldn't re-open. I am simply saying if the decision was made to shutdown and it was by President Trump, how exactly has anything changed. How are we now on a decline that justifies opening based on the numbers? I mean the only way it makes sense at this point in time based on these numbers is if someone says "yeah we made a mistake in closing, so we are going to re-open". But that is not what they are saying. What they are saying is we are on the decline so it is time to re-open. I would just like to know how the monthly totals of 2 deaths, 4800 deaths, 60,000 deaths is on the decline. Seems like Rob Singer Math to me.

The shutdown was to keep hospital rooms from overflowing. It was meant to get us through the peak of hospitalizations. But now that we've been through the worst and infection rates are slowing some people think the country should stay shutdown for different reasons. WE GOT THROUGH IT! Time to open back up.

The world has had an economic meltdown over this virus. Millions are going to starve to death because of it. If we stay shutdown then add some more millions to it. All of you that are against reopening really need to think about this.

And another thing, the country is not fully reopening all at once. It's starting out slowly with phases to go through and conditions having to be met.

How many of you have studied American History. FREEDOM!!! That's what it's all about. We fought the Revolutionary War for freedom. We fought the Civil War for freedom. We fought World War II for freedom. Ain't that great. Freedom from tyranny! Freedom from Oppression!

Freedom from unreasonable government officials! Oh, wait! I was just ordered by government not to leave my house for half of March and all of April. The government made people quit working. Made business owners shutdown. They took away our rights like they weren't jackshit.

Through the goodness of government's blessed little heart they are going to let us come out and play in May....but just a little to start with. How nice of them.

How the hell can they do that to a free people? The answer is they can't. But they can do it to people who are not free. Because we are not really free. Freedom is just an idea. To bad it's never really happened.

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The shutdown was to keep hospital rooms from overflowing. It was meant to get us through the peak of hospitalizations. But now that we've been through the worst and infection rates are slowing some people think the country should stay shutdown for different reasons. WE GOT THROUGH IT! Time to open back up.

The world has had an economic meltdown over this virus. Millions are going to starve to death because of it. If we stay shutdown then add some more millions to it. All of you that are against reopening really need to think about this.

And another thing, the country is not fully reopening all at once. It's starting out slowly with phases to go through and conditions having to be met.

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The shut down is already a huge mess - food banks are running out because the demand is so high due to so many people being tapped out.

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The shutdown was to keep hospital rooms from overflowing. It was meant to get us through the peak of hospitalizations. But now that we've been through the worst and infection rates are slowing some people think the country should stay shutdown for different reasons. WE GOT THROUGH IT! Time to open back up.

The world has had an economic meltdown over this virus. Millions are going to starve to death because of it. If we stay shutdown then add some more millions to it. All of you that are against reopening really need to think about this.

And another thing, the country is not fully reopening all at once. It's starting out slowly with phases to go through and conditions having to be met.

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The shut down is already a huge mess - food banks are running out because the demand is so high due to so many people being tapped out.

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The Food Supply Chain Is Breaking
Tyson Foods Warn of Meat Shortage as Plants Close Due to COVID-19

It certainly is snowballing out of control but we already knew this before they actually shut it all down.
Crude Oil is at a negative and nobody knows what kind of damage that is going to cause.
The ripple effect of the World Economic Shutdown in Massive.
We are only in the first ripple.
Wait till the Tsunamis hit!

I get it that America isn't really Free but it does seem the best option as far as Liberties are concerned.
I get it that its broken but I can't think of a better country to move to nor would I want to give up my citizenship.
Not many countries selling guns and ammunition on every corner for just about every citizen.
Just that liberty alone is good enough for me.

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The shutdown was to keep hospital rooms from overflowing. It was meant to get us through the peak of hospitalizations. But now that we've been through the worst and infection rates are slowing some people think the country should stay shutdown for different reasons. WE GOT THROUGH IT! Time to open back up.

The world has had an economic meltdown over this virus. Millions are going to starve to death because of it. If we stay shutdown then add some more millions to it. All of you that are against reopening really need to think about this.

And another thing, the country is not fully reopening all at once. It's starting out slowly with phases to go through and conditions having to be met.

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The shut down is already a huge mess - food banks are running out because the demand is so high due to so many people being tapped out.

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The Food Supply Chain Is Breaking
Tyson Foods Warn of Meat Shortage as Plants Close Due to COVID-19

It certainly is snowballing out of control but we already knew this before they actually shut it all down.
Crude Oil is at a negative and nobody knows what kind of damage that is going to cause.
The ripple effect of the World Economic Shutdown in Massive.
We are only in the first ripple.
Wait till the Tsunamis hit!

I get it that America isn't really Free but it does seem the best option as far as Liberties are concerned.
I get it that its broken but I can't think of a better country to move to nor would I want to give up my citizenship.
Not many countries selling guns and ammunition on every corner for just about every citizen.
Just that liberty alone is good enough for me.

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Pysychopathic, evil, moronic assholes like Gavin Newsom and Gretchen Whitmer have military/police power at their disposal (there are so many like them - just the tip of the iceberg). We are so totally and utterly screwed.

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total deaths from Coronavirus:

March 1: 2
April 1: 4800
May 1: we will be over 60,000 (currently 54,000)

Exactly how are we on a downward trajectory ready to reopen? ;)



By the way 60,000 deaths was the number that the Washington Model had earlier this month for deaths thru August 4. We are going to hit that by May 1.

And the number of 60,000 in the Washington Model was if everything was shutdown. Remember Trump saying the model showed 2.2 million if we did nothing. So if we are going to open everything up, don't we go right back to that 2.2 million projection number?

I am not trying to be a doom-sayer here. I just fail to see how anything has changed. If we open up aren't we right back to where we were March 15, which was 2.2 million deaths projected? Seems like the decision to closed was based on science, and the projection models and the decision to open is because people have decided they are tired of staying home. :rolleyes:

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First, I hope you are getting better. The re-opening needs to be done by regions and in waves. Of the 60,000 deaths by May 1, almost half were in NY and New Jersey. They should not open, but areas not as hard hit a soft opening should occur. 17 states have less than 100 deaths. Smaller businesses should reopen. Large event businesses less so. Also, NY situation is very different than the rest of the country. How many got CV19 via subways and elevators in NY? Should hairdressers open in Vegas? Yes. Resorts? ? Some areas need to be monitored even more so, all air flights should require masks, which I believe, as of now do not. Social distancing and masks should continue into summer until we get a handle on the testing, but I don’t believe we need to be completely locked down. Some people should not go out at all (like my mom) but the healthier, younger with proper precautions should. March 15 we did not know much other than lock it all down, now we know more and certain areas should be able to progress with that info.

Those numbers are death of people who had the virus. The virus itself wasn't necessarily the cause of death.

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Yeah, great point jb. I was going to pick up on that after reading KJ’s original post. One can’t say “total deaths from Coronavirus” are X when they have been classifying coronavirus patient deaths as 'COVID-19' deaths, regardless of cause.

My comment on this can be summed up in three words:

I don't know.

I don't want anyone to get sick or die but I don't want to see our economy collapse and everyone knows it's collapsing.

I don't know what to think or what to do. It's scary on all fronts.

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Those numbers are death of people who had the virus. The virus itself wasn't necessarily the cause of death.

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Yeah, great point jb. I was going to pick up on that after reading KJ’s original post. One can’t say “total deaths from Coronavirus” are X when they have been classifying coronavirus patient deaths as 'COVID-19' deaths, regardless of cause.

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Between old people and existing conditions, it makes up a large portion of the deaths.

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Those numbers are death of people who had the virus. The virus itself wasn't necessarily the cause of death.

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Yeah, great point jb. I was going to pick up on that after reading KJ’s original post. One can’t say “total deaths from Coronavirus” are X when they have been classifying coronavirus patient deaths as 'COVID-19' deaths, regardless of cause.

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Between old people and existing conditions, it makes up a large portion of the deaths.

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Large portion? 99.9%+. They certainly didn’t deserve to die but it’s not destroying the future of the country over.

It's always been about maximizing profits. Maybe, then "destroying the future of the country" is the actual hoax.

I think that, if you were really worried about the "destruction of the future of the country", you'd be much concerned about the resultant pollution from industry, airplanes, cars, and so on.

The virus stuff is a mere blip in what's really going on. Maybe, a wake-up call that few can hear. The worst is coming, but, we won't be around to experience it.

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It's always been about maximizing profits. Maybe, then "destroying the future of the country" is the actual hoax.

I think that, if you were really worried about the "destruction of the future of the country", you'd be much concerned about the resultant pollution from industry, airplanes, cars, and so on.

The virus stuff is a mere blip in what's really going on. Maybe, a wake-up call that few can hear. The worst is coming, but, we won't be around to experience it.

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It's about time you told redietz the truth.

The idea that only the old and sick are dying is a false notion. Sadly, there are plenty of middle aged folks dying.

Look in this day and ages, most people in their 30's and above have some sort of longterm medical condition. American lifestyle and eating habits playing into that causing younger and younger people to have obesity and related chronic conditions live diabetes and high blood pressure at an earlier age than ever. Cancer too becomes more prevalent all the time, even in younger people. (Sadly even in children). Asthma is another. Maybe related to worsening air quality, I don't know. But greater numbers of Americans of all ages have some sort of chronic health condition. :(

One of the things that is a real measuring stick of any society is how they treat and care for their elderly and vulnerable citizens. We just don't turn our back on the elderly and most vulnerable and leave them to die as they did in the barbaric days. There people in the nursing homes that are being hit hard are the men and women from the "greatest" generation". We all owe them a debt of gratitude. We don't pay that debt turning our back on them. So if all of us sacrificing a bit of our freedom, spending more time at home, no sports, no concerts, no casinos or other large gatherings, for a year until our scientist come up with a vaccination, buys these folks of the greatest generation a little more time....it is the least we can do. :)

Maybe there is a way for some compromise. Opening up some and getting some of the economy going but doing so responsibly and not just saying "fuck it, open up back to normal and screw those vulnerable".

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The idea that only the old and sick are dying is a false notion. Sadly, there are plenty of middle aged folks dying.

Look in this day and ages, most people in their 30's and above have some sort of longterm medical condition. American lifestyle and eating habits playing into that causing younger and younger people to have obesity and related chronic conditions live diabetes and high blood pressure at an earlier age than ever. Cancer too becomes more prevalent all the time, even in younger people. (Sadly even in children). Asthma is another. Maybe related to worsening air quality, I don't know. But greater numbers of Americans of all ages have some sort of chronic health condition. :(

One of the things that is a real measuring stick of any society is how they treat and care for their elderly and vulnerable citizens. We just don't turn our back on the elderly and most vulnerable and leave them to die as they did in the barbaric days. There people in the nursing homes that are being hit hard are the men and women from the "greatest" generation". We all owe them a debt of gratitude. We don't pay that debt turning our back on them. So if all of us sacrificing a bit of our freedom, spending more time at home, no sports, no concerts, no casinos or other large gatherings, for a year until our scientist come up with a vaccination, buys these folks of the greatest generation a little more time....it is the least we can do. :)

Maybe there is a way for some compromise. Opening up some and getting some of the economy going but doing so responsibly and not just saying "fuck it, open up back to normal and screw those vulnerable".

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No, you're wrong again Kj. The easy solution is for the people that have some underlining condition (regardless of their age) to stay home, and maybe hang out in their basement, that's their choice. It's the simple!

After our country has been in lock down mode for over a month, you'd think people should get this stuff is serious. That means if you have some medical condition or you're old (and want to stick around a little longer) then you need to stay in lock down mode, even if our country "opens up" and gives people freedom.

Here's something I can tell you don't understand Kj, and it's why I continue to call you a LIBERAL. "WITH FREEDOM, COMES RESPONSIBILITY". It's the part of the freedom equation most liberals fail to understand.

KJ, I know you've got me on ignore so you won't be able to understand this important lesson. But maybe someone else will that is still struggling with understanding the concept of freedom.

Btw, I know it's hard for some to understand what freedom means since they've lived in a nanny state for so long. They feel like"lambs" and don't know what to do. Here's what to do if you're scared. Stay in lock down mode and don't go outside.

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How many of you have studied American History. FREEDOM!!! That's what it's all about. We fought the Revolutionary War for freedom. We fought the Civil War for freedom. We fought World War II for freedom. Ain't that great. Freedom from tyranny! Freedom from Oppression!

Freedom from unreasonable government officials! Oh, wait! I was just ordered by government not to leave my house for half of March and all of April. The government made people quit working. Made business owners shutdown. They took away our rights like they weren't jackshit.

Through the goodness of government's blessed little heart they are going to let us come out and play in May....but just a little to start with. How nice of them.

How the hell can they do that to a free people? The answer is they can't. But they can do it to people who are not free. Because we are not really free. Freedom is just an idea. To bad it's never really happened.

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The dependent mentality is the majority in today's America. It's a damn shame but true. The thing that makes it real bad is these dependents also feel that they are entitled to be taken care of. What needs to happen is making them feel hunger for some time. Preferably in the dark.

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The idea that only the old and sick are dying is a false notion. Sadly, there are plenty of middle aged folks dying.

Look in this day and ages, most people in their 30's and above have some sort of longterm medical condition. American lifestyle and eating habits playing into that causing younger and younger people to have obesity and related chronic conditions live diabetes and high blood pressure at an earlier age than ever. Cancer too becomes more prevalent all the time, even in younger people. (Sadly even in children). Asthma is another. Maybe related to worsening air quality, I don't know. But greater numbers of Americans of all ages have some sort of chronic health condition. :(

One of the things that is a real measuring stick of any society is how they treat and care for their elderly and vulnerable citizens. We just don't turn our back on the elderly and most vulnerable and leave them to die as they did in the barbaric days. There people in the nursing homes that are being hit hard are the men and women from the "greatest" generation". We all owe them a debt of gratitude. We don't pay that debt turning our back on them. So if all of us sacrificing a bit of our freedom, spending more time at home, no sports, no concerts, no casinos or other large gatherings, for a year until our scientist come up with a vaccination, buys these folks of the greatest generation a little more time....it is the least we can do. :)

Maybe there is a way for some compromise. Opening up some and getting some of the economy going but doing so responsibly and not just saying "fuck it, open up back to normal and screw those vulnerable".

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Banning driving is the least we can do to save highway fatalities. Who all supports giving up driving?

Have you missed that the reopening is in phases?

What about the famines that are surely coming because of the world economic slowdown?

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The idea that only the old and sick are dying is a false notion. Sadly, there are plenty of middle aged folks dying.

Look in this day and ages, most people in their 30's and above have some sort of longterm medical condition. American lifestyle and eating habits playing into that causing younger and younger people to have obesity and related chronic conditions live diabetes and high blood pressure at an earlier age than ever. Cancer too becomes more prevalent all the time, even in younger people. (Sadly even in children). Asthma is another. Maybe related to worsening air quality, I don't know. But greater numbers of Americans of all ages have some sort of chronic health condition. :(

One of the things that is a real measuring stick of any society is how they treat and care for their elderly and vulnerable citizens. We just don't turn our back on the elderly and most vulnerable and leave them to die as they did in the barbaric days. There people in the nursing homes that are being hit hard are the men and women from the "greatest" generation". We all owe them a debt of gratitude. We don't pay that debt turning our back on them. So if all of us sacrificing a bit of our freedom, spending more time at home, no sports, no concerts, no casinos or other large gatherings, for a year until our scientist come up with a vaccination, buys these folks of the greatest generation a little more time....it is the least we can do. :)

Maybe there is a way for some compromise. Opening up some and getting some of the economy going but doing so responsibly and not just saying "fuck it, open up back to normal and screw those vulnerable".

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No, you're wrong again Kj. The easy solution is for the people that have some underlining condition (regardless of their age) to stay home, and maybe hang out in their basement, that's their choice. It's the simple!

After our country has been in lock down mode for over a month, you'd think people should get this stuff is serious. That means if you have some medical condition or you're old (and want to stick around a little longer) then you need to stay in lock down mode, even if our country "opens up" and gives people freedom.

Here's something I can tell you don't understand Kj, and it's why I continue to call you a LIBERAL. "WITH FREEDOM, COMES RESPONSIBILITY". It's the part of the freedom equation most liberals fail to understand.

KJ, I know you've got me on ignore so you won't be able to understand this important lesson. But maybe someone else will that is still struggling with understanding the concept of freedom.

Btw, I know it's hard for some to understand what freedom means since they've lived in a nanny state for so long. They feel like"lambs" and don't know what to do. Here's what to do if you're scared. Stay in lock down mode and don't go outside.

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Yes KJ, the compromise is the "economy" is not going to instantly start up all at once. It will be done in phases. Many businesses will not come back. Not sure who is turning their back on the elderly and leaving them to die. I'm sure their are always some that do.

Correct Bob, the people in the high risk groups should shelter in place if that's what they choose. The problem most have with this is choice went out the window. Freedom left town. That's when corruption starts by some who mandate what is essential and non-essential business.

It will be very interesting to see the outcomes with all these lawsuits piling up against Governors and stay at home orders.

Newsom is back at it again.
This time closing all Californian Beaches and State Parks.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...se/3054555001/

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Newsom is back at it again.
This time closing all Californian Beaches and State Parks.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...se/3054555001/

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What are people thinking? Trying to enjoy some time in an environment of sunshine and humidity. Two of the most hostile environments for this virus.

These Cali-cucks won't fight back, though.

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Newsom is back at it again.
This time closing all Californian Beaches and State Parks.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...se/3054555001/

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What are people thinking? Trying to enjoy some time in an environment of sunshine and humidity. Two of the most hostile environments for this virus.

These Cali-cucks won't fight back, though.

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Sunshine Bad.
Ocean Bad.
Going outside your house Bad.
Virus lives in everything... they recently claimed it is in the Smog!!

Liberal NYT Article...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/07/c...rus-covid.html

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Newsom is back at it again.
This time closing all Californian Beaches and State Parks.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...se/3054555001/

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What are people thinking? Trying to enjoy some time in an environment of sunshine and humidity. Two of the most hostile environments for this virus.

These Cali-cucks won't fight back, though.

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Sunshine Bad.
Ocean Bad.
Going outside your house Bad.
Virus lives in everything... they recently claimed it is in the Smog!!

Liberal NYT Article...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/07/c...rus-covid.html

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Luckily in Florida we have an incredible Governor and County Commissioners who are reopening most of the state by Monday. Some beaches opened yesterday and more tomorrow. Naturally I made my way to one yesterday to enjoy my American Freedom. Everyone followed the rules and parking lot filled up quickly. People want to get out.

Restaurants and retail stores are reopening Monday at 25% capacity inside and more outside with 6 feet between tables. The only areas not included are the 3 counties near Miami and Ft Lauderdale due to high infection rates and for being liberal assholes.

In some parts of the country sanity is returning, but the economic damage has already been done.

It's getting Real in Michigan.
Protesters inside the Capitol Building.
Some with Guns!!

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/y...virus-lockdown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRrFIW3_w7M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEh3y0KebDY

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It's getting Real in Michigan.
Protesters inside the Capitol Building.
Some with Guns!!

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/y...virus-lockdown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRrFIW3_w7M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEh3y0KebDY

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God bless these Patriots!

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

The idea that only the old and sick are dying is a false notion. Sadly, there are plenty of middle aged folks dying.

Look in this day and ages, most people in their 30's and above have some sort of longterm medical condition. American lifestyle and eating habits playing into that causing younger and younger people to have obesity and related chronic conditions live diabetes and high blood pressure at an earlier age than ever. Cancer too becomes more prevalent all the time, even in younger people. (Sadly even in children). Asthma is another. Maybe related to worsening air quality, I don't know. But greater numbers of Americans of all ages have some sort of chronic health condition. :(

One of the things that is a real measuring stick of any society is how they treat and care for their elderly and vulnerable citizens. We just don't turn our back on the elderly and most vulnerable and leave them to die as they did in the barbaric days. There people in the nursing homes that are being hit hard are the men and women from the "greatest" generation". We all owe them a debt of gratitude. We don't pay that debt turning our back on them. So if all of us sacrificing a bit of our freedom, spending more time at home, no sports, no concerts, no casinos or other large gatherings, for a year until our scientist come up with a vaccination, buys these folks of the greatest generation a little more time....it is the least we can do. :)

Maybe there is a way for some compromise. Opening up some and getting some of the economy going but doing so responsibly and not just saying "fuck it, open up back to normal and screw those vulnerable".

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Banning driving is the least we can do to save highway fatalities. Who all supports giving up driving?

Have you missed that the reopening is in phases?

What about the famines that are surely coming because of the world economic slowdown?

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So ignorant. Apples to oranges over and over.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

The idea that only the old and sick are dying is a false notion. Sadly, there are plenty of middle aged folks dying.

Look in this day and ages, most people in their 30's and above have some sort of longterm medical condition. American lifestyle and eating habits playing into that causing younger and younger people to have obesity and related chronic conditions live diabetes and high blood pressure at an earlier age than ever. Cancer too becomes more prevalent all the time, even in younger people. (Sadly even in children). Asthma is another. Maybe related to worsening air quality, I don't know. But greater numbers of Americans of all ages have some sort of chronic health condition. :(

One of the things that is a real measuring stick of any society is how they treat and care for their elderly and vulnerable citizens. We just don't turn our back on the elderly and most vulnerable and leave them to die as they did in the barbaric days. There people in the nursing homes that are being hit hard are the men and women from the "greatest" generation". We all owe them a debt of gratitude. We don't pay that debt turning our back on them. So if all of us sacrificing a bit of our freedom, spending more time at home, no sports, no concerts, no casinos or other large gatherings, for a year until our scientist come up with a vaccination, buys these folks of the greatest generation a little more time....it is the least we can do. :)

Maybe there is a way for some compromise. Opening up some and getting some of the economy going but doing so responsibly and not just saying "fuck it, open up back to normal and screw those vulnerable".

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Banning driving is the least we can do to save highway fatalities. Who all supports giving up driving?

Have you missed that the reopening is in phases?

What about the famines that are surely coming because of the world economic slowdown?

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So ignorant. Apples to oranges over and over.

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No, idiot. I'm comparing deaths to deaths. 40K people a year are killed on our highways. We can save those lives by banning driving. 40K lives a year. If you are so concerned about saving lives as you pretend you are over coronavirus then you would want to save lives by banning driving.

But my point is you libtards are perfectly content to allow deaths on the highways so you can continue to drive but want everyone to give up their freedom to save lives from coronavirus. It's phony.

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Originally Posted by monet

Newsom is back at it again.
This time closing all Californian Beaches and State Parks.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...se/3054555001/

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Newsom is an amazing piece of shit.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by theywontpayontuesday

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

Banning driving is the least we can do to save highway fatalities. Who all supports giving up driving?

Have you missed that the reopening is in phases?

What about the famines that are surely coming because of the world economic slowdown?

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So ignorant. Apples to oranges over and over.

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No, idiot. I'm comparing deaths to deaths. 40K people a year are killed on our highways. We can save those lives by banning driving. 40K lives a year. If you are so concerned about saving lives as you pretend you are over coronavirus then you would want to save lives by banning driving.

But my point is you libtards are perfectly content to allow deaths on the highways so you can continue to drive but want everyone to give up their freedom to save lives from coronavirus. It's phony.

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You no show intelligence nor psychic ability. Mickey use shitical thinking.

A Dallas salon owner will spend a week in jail after she was found in contempt of court Tuesday for violating an order to close her salon during the coronavirus pandemic.

She refused to apologize,
“Feeding my kids is not selfish,” she told Moyé. “If you think the law is more important than kids getting fed, then please go ahead with your decision, but I am not going to shut the salon.”


https://www.dallasnews.com/news/cour...ng-salon-open/

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by theywontpayontuesday

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

Banning driving is the least we can do to save highway fatalities. Who all supports giving up driving?

Have you missed that the reopening is in phases?

What about the famines that are surely coming because of the world economic slowdown?

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So ignorant. Apples to oranges over and over.

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No, idiot. I'm comparing deaths to deaths. 40K people a year are killed on our highways. We can save those lives by banning driving. 40K lives a year. If you are so concerned about saving lives as you pretend you are over coronavirus then you would want to save lives by banning driving.

But my point is you libtards are perfectly content to allow deaths on the highways so you can continue to drive but want everyone to give up their freedom to save lives from coronavirus. It's phony.

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This is the same dumb version of an argument I've heard many times. I have used it for arguments about conservatives and weed. Carter said back way when, that punishment should not be more severe than negative effects of the crime. To this day, it has been liberal states that allow such a basic freedom. You can look at people who die of strokes then make this argument about pizza. "libtards" says the genius.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If government did nothing and let this thing go full bore to save our economy and I worked in medicine - you'd see me give the ol finger to society for a year and chill out. There is so much more than simple death rates, and we'll never know how bad it'd been if we'd followed Trump and his assinine 'its a hoax' bullshit. It is going to get worse though. His son (well, Kushner), chief contender for the anti-christ is getting his grubby hands into that big pot of money. Go read about how evil that guy is and how he continually fucked over poor people with hism rental practices. Dude is straight up evil.

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Originally Posted by theywontpayontuesday

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by theywontpayontuesday

So ignorant. Apples to oranges over and over.

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No, idiot. I'm comparing deaths to deaths. 40K people a year are killed on our highways. We can save those lives by banning driving. 40K lives a year. If you are so concerned about saving lives as you pretend you are over coronavirus then you would want to save lives by banning driving.

But my point is you libtards are perfectly content to allow deaths on the highways so you can continue to drive but want everyone to give up their freedom to save lives from coronavirus. It's phony.

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You no show intelligence nor psychic ability. Mickey use shitical thinking.

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You are in denial.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...cid=spartanntp

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by theywontpayontuesday

So ignorant. Apples to oranges over and over.

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No, idiot. I'm comparing deaths to deaths. 40K people a year are killed on our highways. We can save those lives by banning driving. 40K lives a year. If you are so concerned about saving lives as you pretend you are over coronavirus then you would want to save lives by banning driving.

But my point is you libtards are perfectly content to allow deaths on the highways so you can continue to drive but want everyone to give up their freedom to save lives from coronavirus. It's phony.

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This is the same dumb version of an argument I've heard many times. I have used it for arguments about conservatives and weed. Carter said back way when, that punishment should not be more severe than negative effects of the crime. To this day, it has been liberal states that allow such a basic freedom. You can look at people who die of strokes then make this argument about pizza. "libtards" says the genius.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If government did nothing and let this thing go full bore to save our economy and I worked in medicine - you'd see me give the ol finger to society for a year and chill out. There is so much more than simple death rates, and we'll never know how bad it'd been if we'd followed Trump and his assinine 'its a hoax' bullshit. It is going to get worse though. His son (well, Kushner), chief contender for the anti-christ is getting his grubby hands into that big pot of money. Go read about how evil that guy is and how he continually fucked over poor people with hism rental practices. Dude is straight up evil.

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You are one stupid bag of shit.

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Originally Posted by redietz

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...cid=spartanntp

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Redietz, how long has the alt-left been improvising the plan to destroy the economy of the United States? And once you are successful what will be your next move, revocation of the Constitution of the United States?

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

No, idiot. I'm comparing deaths to deaths. 40K people a year are killed on our highways. We can save those lives by banning driving. 40K lives a year. If you are so concerned about saving lives as you pretend you are over coronavirus then you would want to save lives by banning driving.

But my point is you libtards are perfectly content to allow deaths on the highways so you can continue to drive but want everyone to give up their freedom to save lives from coronavirus. It's phony.

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This is the same dumb version of an argument I've heard many times. I have used it for arguments about conservatives and weed. Carter said back way when, that punishment should not be more severe than negative effects of the crime. To this day, it has been liberal states that allow such a basic freedom. You can look at people who die of strokes then make this argument about pizza. "libtards" says the genius.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If government did nothing and let this thing go full bore to save our economy and I worked in medicine - you'd see me give the ol finger to society for a year and chill out. There is so much more than simple death rates, and we'll never know how bad it'd been if we'd followed Trump and his assinine 'its a hoax' bullshit. It is going to get worse though. His son (well, Kushner), chief contender for the anti-christ is getting his grubby hands into that big pot of money. Go read about how evil that guy is and how he continually fucked over poor people with hism rental practices. Dude is straight up evil.

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You are one stupid bag of shit.

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At least I'm not a genius like you. Didn't bother to refute one thing I said.. :) Feeble-minded man, shoo.

Sorry about the Kushner thing. Honestly it didn't belong in this thread. I just read this whistleblower stuff going on. So funny how people worship Trump. Look at his son-in-law. Maybe Hunter Biden got a free job, but thats normal old politics bullshit. Kushner though, is a different class of scumbag, but this isn't the thread for that. lol wanting him in charge of stuff. I could understand a populace being so bamboozled if it was China or Russia, neither who have a functioning press. We however do have one, and people still aren't up in arms about fucktard Kushner being in the middle of this.

Trump should have been on top of testing from the very beginning. Having tests verifying each other tests so we could determine which ones we can even begin to trust. This is real simple stuff to me. This is also beyond Trump's comprehension.

Instead lets remove so much regulation the tests can be effectively meaningless. Ok. I get that. Thats not a bad move, but then obviously please put people in charge of finding the bs tests.

When you're only testing people with symptoms, it is pretty easy to default to yes and no one even notices. Then they start testing everyone and the numbers are all fucked up. No one knows what is going on. Fail fail fail. The rest of the West isn't so fucking stupid.