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Our incredible Governor just opened back up 100% to save Small Business. And won’t allow anyone to be fined for mask rules individual counties regulated. And no local municipality can change his rulings without a lawsuit.
Ron sees how South Dakota did it and understands its time to open up.
https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/...se-3-reopening
No State Income Tax
No school tax
Low Property Taxes
And he wants a full Super Bowl in Tampa in February!
Florida wins again!
What do you think about beachfront property as an investment?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
I should move to Florida. I'm tired of wearing the cuck rag.
#NOMASKS
Edit: that humidity though and Florida Man....ooof
Based on your usual replies, I have no clue if you are serious or being a smart ass. But I’ll play and give you the benefit of the doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionWhat do you think about beachfront property as an investment?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
I see beachfront property as the same good investment over time, like most real estate. That said, some took 8-10 years to get back to 2008 levels.
For those who don’t own a home, a first home is the best investment you can make. Assuming you have a decent income, the tax benefits even with low interest rates are incredible. And in most cases you will pay less for a mortgage than you will in rent. It’s a no brainer but a few will argue it.
The problem is most never will save the needed down payment because of life choices. Instead of a $1000 mortgage, they will pay $1200 in rent.
But back to beachfront property as an investment, where do you see it compared to regular real estate?
And if you are playing the climate change game, I like this guys opinion if it’s safe.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/real-est...acation-photos
I'm not playing any game, it was a serious question. I didn't want first time home-buyer speech but was curious. Not only is the water level going to rise, we see what appears to be a change in the frequency of Atlantic storms. I wouldn't move to FL to buy investment property - that I know. At least not on the beach.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozBased on your usual replies, I have no clue if you are serious or being a smart ass. But I’ll play and give you the benefit of the doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionWhat do you think about beachfront property as an investment?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
I see beachfront property as the same good investment over time, like most real estate. That said, some took 8-10 years to get back to 2008 levels.
For those who don’t own a home, a first home is the best investment you can make. Assuming you have a decent income, the tax benefits even with low interest rates are incredible. And in most cases you will pay less for a mortgage than you will in rent. It’s a no brainer but a few will argue it.
The problem is most never will save the needed down payment because of life choices. Instead of a $1000 mortgage, they will pay $1200 in rent.
But back to beachfront property as an investment, where do you see it compared to regular real estate?
And if you are playing the climate change game, I like this guys opinion if it’s safe.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/real-est...acation-photos
Don't think Obama's are dependent on their investment like a typical first time homebuyer but interesting article.
I agree on the Obama’s. That said, most first time buyers are not buying water front properties for many reasons. In my case, insurance along with association fees are expensive. Most can’t afford them on top of a mortgage. Not bragging but it’s a reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionI'm not playing any game, it was a serious question. I didn't want first time home-buyer speech but was curious. Not only is the water level going to rise, we see what appears to be a change in the frequency of Atlantic storms. I wouldn't move to FL to buy investment property - that I know. At least not on the beach.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozBased on your usual replies, I have no clue if you are serious or being a smart ass. But I’ll play and give you the benefit of the doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
I see beachfront property as the same good investment over time, like most real estate. That said, some took 8-10 years to get back to 2008 levels.
For those who don’t own a home, a first home is the best investment you can make. Assuming you have a decent income, the tax benefits even with low interest rates are incredible. And in most cases you will pay less for a mortgage than you will in rent. It’s a no brainer but a few will argue it.
The problem is most never will save the needed down payment because of life choices. Instead of a $1000 mortgage, they will pay $1200 in rent.
But back to beachfront property as an investment, where do you see it compared to regular real estate?
And if you are playing the climate change game, I like this guys opinion if it’s safe.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/real-est...acation-photos
Don't think Obama's are dependent on their investment like a typical first time homebuyer but interesting article.
My situation is I am selling 2 homes to buy a waterfront home. I am willing to take the risk because the odds of me
having my home destroyed is little to none. Homes have been built to sustain hurricane winds and are elevated for flood surge.
In my lifetime, I have no fear of water levels rising. Nor do most of buyers or investors. Maybe we will be made to look like fools, but I’m betting against it. Nice liberal (sorry to bring politics into it) talking point but it’s a longer shot than the’Vid killing the average healthy American.
Start living or start dying. Your choice.
I wouldn't move to Florida because of the Hurricanes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
It is hard to move from Vegas because it has basically been all I have known since 1990.
Recently, Nevada has been turning into California.
I wanted to move 6 months to a year ago but that Chink Virus slowed my process down.
I thought I was going to move to Tennessee because of the weather and laws.
Seemed the perfect fit but they have a couple laws that gives me a small problem.
So I was looking into Mississippi but they have the same two laws.
Plus they get more problematic weather.
The big thing with Mississippi is that your dollar basically doubles.
Anyways, I found that Missouri and Arkansas both have the laws that I want.
All 4 states are Republican from my understanding which is what I want.
They all have the gun laws that I want like No Background Check for private gun sales.
That's a big deal to me.
Not that I can't pass a Background Check as I just did because I bought two new weapons but it's a pain in the ass when everyone selling used guns wants to meet up for an FFL Transfer and it takes 3 to 5 days to wait.
The problem with Tennessee and Mississippi is they don't allow PODs on Vehicle and House Titles/Deeds to avoid the Probate/Will process.
I just went through a Probate Process that took 18 months and I never want to have to do anything like that again.
Missouri and Arkansas allow property and vehicles to have a POD listed.
Arkansas has more Tornados which scares my Slant Eyed Gook Wife!
Missouri is more likely to have Snow and Colder weather.
Anyways... I think I am going to move near the South East of Missouri.
Planning a road trip now and might leave tonight or early tomorrow morning.
I am not scared of the Corona but I do notice that Missouri and those other states are rising in cases over 1000 per day.
Over here in Las Vegas we are down to 200 to 300 per day so there is that.
Of course Missouri has about 3x the population compared to Nevada so the total percentage is actually smaller for the time being.
Not that any of this matters to you but its on the topic of your post.
You have to give Boz some credit as it is incredibly difficult to pull the trigger on such a long move for me.
My grandmother was born in Branson, Missouri. I remember visiting the Ozarks as a kid. The water slides were the best going down the hills. That whole area is nice. Not sure if I could live there though. Not enough going on for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetI wouldn't move to Florida because of the Hurricanes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
It is hard to move from Vegas because it has basically been all I have known since 1990.
Recently, Nevada has been turning into California.
I wanted to move 6 months to a year ago but that Chink Virus slowed my process down.
I thought I was going to move to Tennessee because of the weather and laws.
Seemed the perfect fit but they have a couple laws that gives me a small problem.
So I was looking into Mississippi but they have the same two laws.
Plus they get more problematic weather.
The big thing with Mississippi is that your dollar basically doubles.
Anyways, I found that Missouri and Arkansas both have the laws that I want.
All 4 states are Republican from my understanding which is what I want.
They all have the gun laws that I want like No Background Check for private gun sales.
That's a big deal to me.
The problem with Tennessee and Mississippi is they don't allow PODs on Vehicle and House Titles to avoid the probate/will process.
Missouri and Arkansas allow property and vehicles to have a POD listed.
Arkansas has more Tornados which scares my Slant Eyed Gook Wife!
Missouri is more likely to have Snow and Colder weather.
Anyways... I think I am going to move near the South East of Missouri.
Planning a road trip now and might leave tonight or early tomorrow morning.
I am not scared of the Corona but I do notice that Missouri and those other states are rising in cases over 1000 per day.
Over here in Las Vegas we are down to 200 to 300 per day so there is that.
Of course Missouri has about 3x the population compared to Nevada so the total percentage is actually smaller for the time being.
Not that any of this matters to you but its on the topic of your post.
You have to give Boz some credit as it is incredibly difficult to pull the trigger on such a long move for me.
Hmm my first post was lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozI agree on the Obama’s. That said, most first time buyers are not buying water front properties for many reasons. In my case, insurance along with association fees are expensive. Most can’t afford them on top of a mortgage. Not bragging but it’s a reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionI'm not playing any game, it was a serious question. I didn't want first time home-buyer speech but was curious. Not only is the water level going to rise, we see what appears to be a change in the frequency of Atlantic storms. I wouldn't move to FL to buy investment property - that I know. At least not on the beach.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Don't think Obama's are dependent on their investment like a typical first time homebuyer but interesting article.
My situation is I am selling 2 homes to buy a waterfront home. I am willing to take the risk because the odds of me
having my home destroyed is little to none. Homes have been built to sustain hurricane winds and are elevated for flood surge.
In my lifetime, I have no fear of water levels rising. Nor do most of buyers or investors. Maybe we will be made to look like fools, but I’m betting against it. Nice liberal (sorry to bring politics into it) talking point but it’s a longer shot than the’Vid killing the average healthy American.
Start living or start dying. Your choice.
I am not playing climate scientist but I'm starting to believe feedback loops will be coming into play and models might have been a bit soft. I was just wondering what your take on it was.
Regardless, this stuff is far from a "talking point". lmao. Multi-decade "talking point". Genius. Even Monet followed up acknowledging it with fuck the storms.
I do like your lil quips like 'Start living or start dying'. You are blessed to be around people who are slow enough to eat up such vapid sayings. You should look into running for city council once your residency is established. Seriously.
No intentions of running for anything. Like being in business, I did it and moved on. I had a goal, but I regress.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionHmm my first post was lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozI agree on the Obama’s. That said, most first time buyers are not buying water front properties for many reasons. In my case, insurance along with association fees are expensive. Most can’t afford them on top of a mortgage. Not bragging but it’s a reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
My situation is I am selling 2 homes to buy a waterfront home. I am willing to take the risk because the odds of me
having my home destroyed is little to none. Homes have been built to sustain hurricane winds and are elevated for flood surge.
In my lifetime, I have no fear of water levels rising. Nor do most of buyers or investors. Maybe we will be made to look like fools, but I’m betting against it. Nice liberal (sorry to bring politics into it) talking point but it’s a longer shot than the’Vid killing the average healthy American.
Start living or start dying. Your choice.
I am not playing climate scientist but I'm starting to believe feedback loops will be coming into play and models might have been a bit soft. I was just wondering what your take on it was.
Regardless, this stuff is far from a "talking point". lmao. Multi-decade "talking point". Genius. Even Monet followed up acknowledging it with fuck the storms.
I do like your lil quips like 'Start living or start dying'. You are blessed to be around people who are slow enough to eat up such vapid sayings. You should look into running for city council once your residency is established. Seriously.
And no intentions of missing the point if your first post. Please let me know your thoughts on what you were looking for. Regardless of what you think of me and my opinions, I appreciate yours.
It is a long move but I already had a place here for a few years. And I still have the place in Tahoe.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetI wouldn't move to Florida because of the Hurricanes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
It is hard to move from Vegas because it has basically been all I have known since 1990.
Recently, Nevada has been turning into California.
I wanted to move 6 months to a year ago but that Chink Virus slowed my process down.
I thought I was going to move to Tennessee because of the weather and laws.
Seemed the perfect fit but they have a couple laws that gives me a small problem.
So I was looking into Mississippi but they have the same two laws.
Plus they get more problematic weather.
The big thing with Mississippi is that your dollar basically doubles.
Anyways, I found that Missouri and Arkansas both have the laws that I want.
All 4 states are Republican from my understanding which is what I want.
They all have the gun laws that I want like No Background Check for private gun sales.
That's a big deal to me.
Not that I can't pass a Background Check as I just did because I bought two new weapons but it's a pain in the ass when everyone selling used guns wants to meet up for an FFL Transfer and it takes 3 to 5 days to wait.
The problem with Tennessee and Mississippi is they don't allow PODs on Vehicle and House Titles/Deeds to avoid the Probate/Will process.
I just went through a Probate Process that took 18 months and I never want to have to do anything like that again.
Missouri and Arkansas allow property and vehicles to have a POD listed.
Arkansas has more Tornados which scares my Slant Eyed Gook Wife!
Missouri is more likely to have Snow and Colder weather.
Anyways... I think I am going to move near the South East of Missouri.
Planning a road trip now and might leave tonight or early tomorrow morning.
I am not scared of the Corona but I do notice that Missouri and those other states are rising in cases over 1000 per day.
Over here in Las Vegas we are down to 200 to 300 per day so there is that.
Of course Missouri has about 3x the population compared to Nevada so the total percentage is actually smaller for the time being.
Not that any of this matters to you but its on the topic of your post.
You have to give Boz some credit as it is incredibly difficult to pull the trigger on such a long move for me.
I’ve loved Florida since I was a kid and my parents drove me here as a kid. Was the 70’s with the old tourist attractions.
Visited many times over the years. And always wanted to be here FT.
As for the Hurricanes, that’s an unrealistic talking point. The panhandle has gotten hit a few times over the past few years. One of favorite bars in America the Florabama got hit last week as it has multiple times over the past century. It opened back up yesterday at 11AM. The worst thing from the hurricanes in the pythons in the Everglades.
Nevada and Florida are equal in no state income tax. As someone living off investment income, that a huge difference.
Gun laws are good for the average citizen here.
Keep an open mind Monet. Every place has its good points and bad. As an entirely Florida has more good points than most places.
I have a chicken shit wife who thinks God will send a Tornado/Hurricane to her house lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
I tried to show her the math but she thinks (2 + 2 = 5).
She also thinks the Corona is in the air or in the air conditioners!
I blame myself as I made her watch that movie Twister recently :)
My situation is a bit different than Boz though.
I think Boz was looking for place to retire and enjoy the waterfront.
Actually I suppose he already found it, bought it and is moving into it!
I want 20 to 40 acres of land to have a Hobby Farm.
I want Horses, Chickens, Sheep and perhaps a few other critters.
I want to be able to open my back door and let my dogs run free till they can't stand it.
I want to be able to build fires in my back yard and just enjoy that.
I'm going to buy a bass boat and get back into fishing the lakes and rivers nearby.
I don't want close neighbors so I can shoot 600 to 1000 yards for practice and fun.
I want more open or pastured land compared to forest.
I would like a bit more tempered weather but it's very difficult to get everything you want for 300k to 400k.
MaxPen says that the area doesn't have enough action but I disagree.
For what I am planning on it will be nothing but action or actually hard work.
I'm looking at houses that are 3000 to 5000 square feet with 20+ acres.
It is pretty amazing when you compare property in Vegas to these rural areas.
Colorado did not get mentioned. Any comments? Thinking Manitou Springs. Had enough of Florida, I’m a mountain guy living in Florida.
I looked hard into Colorado.Quote:
Originally Posted by House of Orange
Problem with the Water Rights and I don't like the Government/Leadership of that state.
You can buy the property but it is difficult to get the Water Rights so you might want to research that.
I don't like their gun laws.
Property is more expensive and Taxes are higher.
Also some harsh winters to deal with.
Farm Land isn't as lush as the MidWest or South.
Ranching is the option compared to Farming.
Not a bad place if you want to hunt Elk but that's a lot of work.
Don’t want to get too detailed but always figured you were on the Gulf Coast based on the trips to Biloxi. I love the 10 drive.Quote:
Originally Posted by House of Orange
If I was to go buy a place in Colorado it would be Estes Park or Grand Lake. I have visited both places many times and while both get their share of tourists, they have the local community environment we love. Sure there are many other similar places in CO, but like Monet said, the politics are not my style. And that matters because laws change and the mob is getting angry.
A dozen casinos in northeast Oklahoma. They surround the town of Miami, Ok. Not that far from Branson and the Missouri Ozarks. The Arkansas Ozarks are right there too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
Alot of hard work is spot on. My grandfather was a farmer in Kansas. Mother still leases the land out. I lived on the farm during 3rd and 4th grade as my mother thought it best. Otherwise I was raised in California from about 5 and on.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetI have a chicken shit wife who thinks God will send a Tornado/Hurricane to her house lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
I tried to show her the math but she thinks (2 + 2 = 5).
She also thinks the Corona is in the air or in the air conditioners!
I blame myself as I made her watch that movie Twister recently :)
My situation is a bit different than Boz though.
I think Boz was looking for place to retire and enjoy the waterfront.
Actually I suppose he already found it, bought it and is moving into it!
I want 20 to 40 acres of land to have a Hobby Farm.
I want Horses, Chickens, Sheep and perhaps a few other critters.
I want to be able to open my back door and let my dogs run free till they can't stand it.
I want to be able to build fires in my back yard and just enjoy that.
I'm going to buy a bass boat and get back into fishing the lakes and rivers nearby.
I don't want close neighbors so I can shoot 600 to 1000 yards for practice and fun.
I want more open or pastured land compared to forest.
I would like a bit more tempered weather but it's very difficult to get everything you want for 300k to 400k.
MaxPen says that the area doesn't have enough action but I disagree.
For what I am planning on it will be nothing but action or actually hard work.
I'm looking at houses that are 3000 to 5000 square feet with 20+ acres.
It is pretty amazing when you compare property in Vegas to these rural areas.
I would visit Kansas regularly until my grandfather passed. I'm just not a Midwest type of person. I can understand the rampant alcohol and drug abuse there. I find it mostly boring.
I like Vegas because your less than a day from almost any activity. Not that I participate in much of anything. But atleast it's available.
The one cool thing about living there was driving myself to school in the 3rd grade. Not sure if that is still allowed now. Used to get your ass beat in class with a wooden paddle too. California didn't operate like that. That's for sure.
I know of a few APs considering moves out to the midwest. Theory being is less educated casino operators and less competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmA dozen casinos in northeast Oklahoma. They surround the town of Miami, Ok. Not that far from Branson and the Missouri Ozarks. The Arkansas Ozarks are right there too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
Now just watch the covid go sky high, and death rates skyrocket. What an idiot Florida has for a Governor. Hell even Tasha won't recommend doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Finally! But Florida Officials admitted MONTHS ago that the Mandatory Shutdowns were a HUGE mistake. On an interesting note, a Family who stayed inside ALL of the shutdown STILL got the Coronavirus. They were in the News. So, even people who NEVER left STILL got sick. Leading credence to the "Shutdowns were a HUGE mistake," admission.
I put my first reply and then saw your reply. It was high time to open up Florida again. Lots of people needed their income back. For instance, Covid 19 wiped out many businesses that had been longtime staples. And Florida Government admitted months ago that Mandatory Shutdowns were a HUGE mistake. Practicing Social Distancing, frequent hand cleaning, dusinfecting surfanced, and wearing face coverings should have been sufficient. There was absolutely NO good reason to have mandatory Shutdowns. When Coronavirus began coming from China to the U.S, I was definitely NOT expecting Mandatory Shutdowns. I was expecting this to be like Ebola, Zika, Sars where these were taken seriously, but NO Mandatory , etc Countrywide Shutdowns happened. Lots of people being out of incomes and subsequently out of their homes(Evictions and foreclosures are happening due to people no longer having incomes)is NOT okay especially since Mandatory Shutdowns should NOT have happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Midwest PlayerNow just watch the covid go sky high, and death rates skyrocket. What an idiot Florida has for a Governor. Hell even Tasha won't recommend doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
In fact, when Shutdowns first started happening, I thought it would be only for two weeks since The Government knows most people can only miss ONE Paycheck before real trouble starts. I was thinking ,No way will the Government allow Mandatory Shutdowns to last more than one pay cycle(Two weeks) I was so glaringly wrong
Now where Florida Govenor MAY be an Idiot is putting the "Masks are no longer mandated, " executive order on Friday. That's a bad idea in my honest opinion. Besides, a Customer with no mask on yesterday had a fit when we refused to ring him up without a mask on. I was extremely upset when he came near my face with no fucking mask on and shoved his phone near my face showing the executive order. Like, no, hell no. Get the fuck away from me. I really wish I could have cussed him out for that. Since WHY would he think going near someone's face without a mask on was acceptable? Had my Store Manager seen him do that, he would have stood up in my defense and most likely politely ask him to leave. It turned out the "Masks are no longer mandated," Executive Order is only for OUTSIDE, not INSIDE businesses." The Customer DID put on his Mask, and was rung up.
Tasha given your experience gambling and comfortability with odds - what do you think the odds are that the customerr was a Trump voter ?Quote:
Originally Posted by TashaI put my first reply and then saw your reply. It was high time to open up Florida again. Lots of people needed their income back. For instance, Covid 19 wiped out many businesses that had been longtime staples. And Florida Government admitted months ago that Mandatory Shutdowns were a HUGE mistake. Practicing Social Distancing, frequent hand cleaning, dusinfecting surfanced, and wearing face coverings should have been sufficient. There was absolutely NO good reason to have mandatory Shutdowns. When Coronavirus began coming from China to the U.S, I was definitely NOT expecting Mandatory Shutdowns. I was expecting this to be like Ebola, Zika, Sars where these were taken seriously, but NO Mandatory , etc Countrywide Shutdowns happened. Lots of people being out of incomes and subsequently out of their homes(Evictions and foreclosures are happening due to people no longer having incomes)is NOT okay especially since Mandatory Shutdowns should NOT have happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Midwest PlayerNow just watch the covid go sky high, and death rates skyrocket. What an idiot Florida has for a Governor. Hell even Tasha won't recommend doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
In fact, when Shutdowns first started happening, I thought it would be only for two weeks since The Government knows most people can only miss ONE Paycheck before real trouble starts. I was thinking ,No way will the Government allow Mandatory Shutdowns to last more than one pay cycle(Two weeks) I was so glaringly wrong
Now where Florida Govenor MAY be an Idiot is putting the "Masks are no longer mandated, " executive order on Friday. That's a bad idea in my honest opinion. Besides, a Customer with no mask on yesterday had a fit when we refused to ring him up without a mask on. I was extremely upset when he came near my face with no fucking mask on and shoved his phone near my face showing the executive order. Like, no, hell no. Get the fuck away from me. I really wish I could have cussed him out for that. Since WHY would he think going near someone's face without a mask on was acceptable? Had my Store Manager seen him do that, he would have stood up in my defense and most likely politely ask him to leave. It turned out the "Masks are no longer mandated," Executive Order is only for OUTSIDE, not INSIDE businesses." The Customer DID put on his Mask, and was rung up.
It is 100% fact that we were told the shutdown was nothing more than preventing hospitals from being overwhelmed. They suddenly changed the goal to stopping the virus. Stopping it is impossible.
Excellent points.Quote:
Originally Posted by radicalwin
They still have a ways to go to catch up to worldwide Tuberculosis numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by radicalwin
10 million infected every year with 1.5 million deaths annually.
They have a very long way to go to catch up to 9 million deaths due to starvation per year.
Just another day in Florida with maybe 15% of people wearing masks in my area. And again LESS cases per capital than PA. The same PA with no alcohol after 10PM and restaurants at 0-50% occupancy inside and no bar seating.
While here it’s 100% open with bars open from 7AM to 2AM, full bar seating and restaurant seating. Places like Disney are requiring masks and Walmart still does but it’s maybe 60% compliance. Head North toward the panhandle and you get dirty looks if you wear a mask.
I understand being cautious if high risk, but no proof a mask mandate makes a difference.
CA 17696 cases yesterday with the toughest restrictions in the Country. Florida with everyone 100% open and no masks, 6659. CA has 39.5M residents, FL 20.5M. November for the month shows similar numbers, though not as dramatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
So who wants to argue masks and restrictions are working?
Gavin Newsom is very clear on the danger of masks - that is why he didn't hesitate to not wear one when he had his $15000 soiree at French Laundry restaurant in Yountville,CA. It is rumored that he is on the verge of totally locking down the whole state again - I doubt he will lose an ounce of sleep over the millions of lives he's ruined.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozCA 17696 cases yesterday with the toughest restrictions in the Country. Florida with everyone 100% open and no masks, 6659. CA has 39.5M residents, FL 20.5M. November for the month shows similar numbers, though not as dramatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
So who wants to argue masks and restrictions are working?
24,252 cases in CA yesterday, 10,177 in Florida and 12,089 in PA.
What do 2 of these states have in common? Severe lockdowns while the other one is wide open.
But the sheep will continue to say masks and lockdowns work.
I Fucking Love AMERICA.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
The only country where you can still arm yourself to the teeth, legally!
Makes me want to buy another gun just because WE can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvPgYLhOq24
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/u...kah-jones.html Lets not forget this. Wonder why this sort of thing happened?
Not only is Florida a Free State but it is also Free of the Virus.
Tom Brady Wins Again!!
https://twitter.com/NFLGameDay/statu...83718755696651
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3q-EyGxuoo
Florida is obviously the best State to live in right now.
Congratulations!
"DeSantis signs bill banning ‘vaccine passports,’ order canceling local COVID rules"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8tJyhy5PbQ
Kinda amazing you don't believe lockdowns "work". The only real discussion here is whether they're worth the societal cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Masks you can at least make a reasonable argument against given how hard it is to prove the efficacy of all the various masks etc. Almost impossible to do a real study.
HOWEVER, it is clear lockdowns slow down the spread. This should be common sense and not really worth explaining.
Anyway, I just came to bump this thread because the Florida victory is far from a done deal. The results are not yet in but if you've been reading BS news you might not be aware how bad FL is having it and it is going to get far worse. Buckle up.
I'd bet this De Santis person you guys are holding up as some sort of genius leader doesn't get reelected if the reelection is more than a year from today.
Granted, I haven't looked at any numbers and maybe his approval is just that high, but I'll stick my neck out there on this one.
FL is #2 in death rate from a week ending on Sept 13th. Here is top 3.
Mississippi
Deaths per 100,000: 1.75
Daily average deaths: 52.1
Florida
Deaths per 100,000: 1.63
Daily average deaths: 349.7
Louisiana
Deaths per 100,000: 1.07
Daily average deaths: 49.9
This idea that "freedom" beats diseases is wishful thinking. Oh well eventually FL will slow down the death-rate which off-the-cuff seems over double the national average from what I see. Get'em DeSantis.
Hold up, are you trying to tell me the oldest and fattest states in the nation are experiencing above average death rates? OMG!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
We were doing REALLY well until the Delta Variant showed up. Covid Cases were way down with the Vaccines being widely available. Delta Variant jacked up the Covid Cases again.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionKinda amazing you don't believe lockdowns "work". The only real discussion here is whether they're worth the societal cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Masks you can at least make a reasonable argument against given how hard it is to prove the efficacy of all the various masks etc. Almost impossible to do a real study.
HOWEVER, it is clear lockdowns slow down the spread. This should be common sense and not really worth explaining.
Anyway, I just came to bump this thread because the Florida victory is far from a done deal. The results are not yet in but if you've been reading BS news you might not be aware how bad FL is having it and it is going to get far worse. Buckle up.
Hmm, I may have this wrong but i thought FL had been held up as a shining beacon of how to do all this correctly. Why weren't the old fat people all dying off back then?Quote:
Originally Posted by mcapHold up, are you trying to tell me the oldest and fattest states in the nation are experiencing above average death rates? OMG!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Must have missed the part of them being the beacon for doing things correctly. I always see them as the example of lazy covid journalism, take a picture of people at a busy beach and some tweets and there’s a story about people being irresponsibleQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionHmm, I may have this wrong but i thought FL had been held up as a shining beacon of how to do all this correctly. Why weren't the old fat people all dying off back then?Quote:
Originally Posted by mcapHold up, are you trying to tell me the oldest and fattest states in the nation are experiencing above average death rates? OMG!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Well read the first post in this thread to get an idea what was motivating my posting in here.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcapMust have missed the part of them being the beacon for doing things correctly. I always see them as the example of lazy covid journalism, take a picture of people at a busy beach and some tweets and there’s a story about people being irresponsibleQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionHmm, I may have this wrong but i thought FL had been held up as a shining beacon of how to do all this correctly. Why weren't the old fat people all dying off back then?Quote:
Originally Posted by mcap
I'm more for opening up and such because the downsides to lockdowns are catastrophic to people's lives. It really has a lot to do with their freedom! When you lose your ability to feed yourself/family and maintain your home then you lose FAR FAR more freedom than when you have to wear a mask. It seems simple to me.
The outcome of DeSantis's policies had yet to be realized and the last chapter written in any history book should be the most accurate one. Gloating threads should be no different. :(
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Originally Posted by accountinquestionWell read the first post in this thread to get an idea what was motivating my posting in here.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcapMust have missed the part of them being the beacon for doing things correctly. I always see them as the example of lazy covid journalism, take a picture of people at a busy beach and some tweets and there’s a story about people being irresponsibleQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
I'm more for opening up and such because the downsides to lockdowns are catastrophic to people's lives. It really has a lot to do with their freedom! When you lose your ability to feed yourself/family and maintain your home then you lose FAR FAR more freedom than when you have to wear a mask. It seems simple to me.
The outcome of DeSantis's policies had yet to be realized and the last chapter written in any history book should be the most accurate one. Gloating threads should be no different. :(
Actually it looks like Florida made the right call. At least until the next “variant”, we are at Herd Immunity. And note USF is as liberal a university as they come.
https://www.fox13news.com/news/flori...id-19-immunity
Not really. There are upsides to Florida's approach just like most policies and getting to 'herd immunity' first is surely one of them, but everything has a cost. The article just states how Florida compares against some arbitrary number that a professor is making up.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionWell read the first post in this thread to get an idea what was motivating my posting in here.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcap
I'm more for opening up and such because the downsides to lockdowns are catastrophic to people's lives. It really has a lot to do with their freedom! When you lose your ability to feed yourself/family and maintain your home then you lose FAR FAR more freedom than when you have to wear a mask. It seems simple to me.
The outcome of DeSantis's policies had yet to be realized and the last chapter written in any history book should be the most accurate one. Gloating threads should be no different. :(
Actually it looks like Florida made the right call. At least until the next “variant”, we are at Herd Immunity. And note USF is as liberal a university as they come.
https://www.fox13news.com/news/flori...id-19-immunity
Covid new infections seem to be rapidly falling off as was somewhat expected given other country's experiences with this variant. COVID rapidly dropping off around here too. This is good news for everyone. I'd just like people I know to be able to go to the doctor in a reasonable time and other similar things. I feel like we're over the worst part of COVID.