Definition of advantage gambling

Starting new thread to discuss accountinquestion saying I am not a gambler because I know I am going to win.

Firstly he claims I trick the casinos into believing I am making a wager I am not. Therefore not only do I not gamble but I commit a crime.

It took me a moment to realize he is referring to my "card pulling"!

To be clear I agree that tricking the casino into seeing wagers not made is criminal. Past posting for example, where you wait till the outcome is known then trick the casino into believing you made the wager.

But card pulling is the polar opposite. I ACTUALLY MAKE A WAGER, then trick the casino into believing I didn't!

But I am always making a wager!!!

Is it illegal? Hell no. The casinos give the player the option of using a player card or not. How can choosing not to use a card be illegal especially when quite a few players do it?

And there are no gambling regs I am aware of that state when a player must choose to insert or remove their players card.

In fact making wagers but hiding wins is really more "rat-holing digitally" but stuffing chips into your pocket is certainly not illegal either (except perhaps roulette chips with intent to falsify value later).

Or making a large initial wager, then playing lower amounts while slow playing a crowded table so that hourly risk guesses by the pit bosses are misconstrued.

Which brings us back to definition of an advantage gambler. Accountinquestion surmises I am not a gambler because I know I am going to win, therefore there is no real gamble.

Hmmm! Technically AP means Advantage PLAYING. Note we don't call ourselves AG (Advantage Gamblers). In one sense I am inclined to agree.

Casinos don't gamble either. "The house always wins"? True because they have an advantage. Variance creates ups and downs but over time the casinos always win. That means they aren't gambling by any sense of the word.

An advantage Player simply switches who has the advantage. A perfect card counter KNOWS he is going to win even in the downward slumps. Therefore even a card counter isn't gambling.

So I will accept that I am not an advantage gambler. However only if one accepts that there is no such thing to begin with. There are negative expectation GAMBLERS and advantage PLAYERS!

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Originally Posted by Darkoz

Starting new thread to discuss accountinquestion saying I am not a gambler because I know I am going to win.

Firstly he claims I trick the casinos into believing I am making a wager I am not. Therefore not only do I not gamble but I commit a crime.

It took me a moment to realize he is referring to my "card pulling"!

To be clear I agree that tricking the casino into seeing wagers not made is criminal. Past posting for example, where you wait till the outcome is known then trick the casino into believing you made the wager.

But card pulling is the polar opposite. I ACTUALLY MAKE A WAGER, then trick the casino into believing I didn't!

But I am always making a wager!!!

Is it illegal? Hell no. The casinos give the player the option of using a player card or not. How can choosing not to use a card be illegal especially when quite a few players do it?

And there are no gambling regs I am aware of that state when a player must choose to insert or remove their players card.

In fact making wagers but hiding wins is really more "rat-holing digitally" but stuffing chips into your pocket is certainly not illegal either (except perhaps roulette chips with intent to falsify value later).

Or making a large initial wager, then playing lower amounts while slow playing a crowded table so that hourly risk guesses by the pit bosses are misconstrued.

Which brings us back to definition of an advantage gambler. Accountinquestion surmises I am not a gambler because I know I am going to win, therefore there is no real gamble.

Hmmm! Technically AP means Advantage PLAYING. Note we don't call ourselves AG (Advantage Gamblers). In one sense I am inclined to agree.

Casinos don't gamble either. "The house always wins"? True because they have an advantage. Variance creates ups and downs but over time the casinos always win. That means they aren't gambling by any sense of the word.

An advantage Player simply switches who has the advantage. A perfect card counter KNOWS he is going to win even in the downward slumps. Therefore even a card counter isn't gambling.

So I will accept that I am not an advantage gambler. However only if one accepts that there is no such thing to begin with. There are negative expectation GAMBLERS and advantage PLAYERS!

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Why would you want to make a bet then trick the casino into believing you didn't make a bet?

If you are making coin-in but covering up coin-out by pulling the card then you must be in a spot where freeplay is issued according to losses rather than wager and theoretical house advantage.

And I still have a problem with you saying you have employee's. I don't think you do in the classical sense. And I don't understand why someone would work for somebody else when they could do the same thing themselves.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by Darkoz

Starting new thread to discuss accountinquestion saying I am not a gambler because I know I am going to win.

Firstly he claims I trick the casinos into believing I am making a wager I am not. Therefore not only do I not gamble but I commit a crime.

It took me a moment to realize he is referring to my "card pulling"!

To be clear I agree that tricking the casino into seeing wagers not made is criminal. Past posting for example, where you wait till the outcome is known then trick the casino into believing you made the wager.

But card pulling is the polar opposite. I ACTUALLY MAKE A WAGER, then trick the casino into believing I didn't!

But I am always making a wager!!!

Is it illegal? Hell no. The casinos give the player the option of using a player card or not. How can choosing not to use a card be illegal especially when quite a few players do it?

And there are no gambling regs I am aware of that state when a player must choose to insert or remove their players card.

In fact making wagers but hiding wins is really more "rat-holing digitally" but stuffing chips into your pocket is certainly not illegal either (except perhaps roulette chips with intent to falsify value later).

Or making a large initial wager, then playing lower amounts while slow playing a crowded table so that hourly risk guesses by the pit bosses are misconstrued.

Which brings us back to definition of an advantage gambler. Accountinquestion surmises I am not a gambler because I know I am going to win, therefore there is no real gamble.

Hmmm! Technically AP means Advantage PLAYING. Note we don't call ourselves AG (Advantage Gamblers). In one sense I am inclined to agree.

Casinos don't gamble either. "The house always wins"? True because they have an advantage. Variance creates ups and downs but over time the casinos always win. That means they aren't gambling by any sense of the word.

An advantage Player simply switches who has the advantage. A perfect card counter KNOWS he is going to win even in the downward slumps. Therefore even a card counter isn't gambling.

So I will accept that I am not an advantage gambler. However only if one accepts that there is no such thing to begin with. There are negative expectation GAMBLERS and advantage PLAYERS!

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Why would you want to make a bet then trick the casino into believing you didn't make a bet?

If you are making coin-in but covering up coin-out by pulling the card then you must be in a spot where freeplay is issued according to losses rather than wager and theoretical house advantage.

And I still have a problem with you saying you have employee's. I don't think you do in the classical sense. And I don't understand why someone would work for somebody else when they could do the same thing themselves.

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They can't do the same thing for themselves!

I have compartmentalized much of what I do so fee of my "workers" (since you don't like calling them employees) only see bits and pieces.

There are a select few I trust who know enough if not all that yes they could strike out on their own. I trained them precisely because I trust them not to screw me over.

There are other mitigating factors. They may not have the bankroll. They may not have the confidence.

And finally they don't have the analytical understanding. For example, they can do what I show them but as soon as the "play" ends and a new play has to worked out, they don't know how to so. A single thing changes with the play that suddenly turns it -ev and they don't know how to adapt and create a new Advantage.

So that's why they don't strike out on their own

So you recruit trustworthy retards is basically what you’re saying.

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Originally Posted by mcap

So you recruit trustworthy retards is basically what you’re saying.

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Everyone has their strengths.

I'm not capable of being a doctor. Guess I am a retard

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Originally Posted by Darkoz

Starting new thread to discuss accountinquestion saying I am not a gambler because I know I am going to win.

Firstly he claims I trick the casinos into believing I am making a wager I am not. Therefore not only do I not gamble but I commit a crime.

It took me a moment to realize he is referring to my "card pulling"!

To be clear I agree that tricking the casino into seeing wagers not made is criminal. Past posting for example, where you wait till the outcome is known then trick the casino into believing you made the wager.

But card pulling is the polar opposite. I ACTUALLY MAKE A WAGER, then trick the casino into believing I didn't!

But I am always making a wager!!!

Is it illegal? Hell no. The casinos give the player the option of using a player card or not. How can choosing not to use a card be illegal especially when quite a few players do it?

And there are no gambling regs I am aware of that state when a player must choose to insert or remove their players card.

In fact making wagers but hiding wins is really more "rat-holing digitally" but stuffing chips into your pocket is certainly not illegal either (except perhaps roulette chips with intent to falsify value later).

Or making a large initial wager, then playing lower amounts while slow playing a crowded table so that hourly risk guesses by the pit bosses are misconstrued.

Which brings us back to definition of an advantage gambler. Accountinquestion surmises I am not a gambler because I know I am going to win, therefore there is no real gamble.

Hmmm! Technically AP means Advantage PLAYING. Note we don't call ourselves AG (Advantage Gamblers). In one sense I am inclined to agree.

Casinos don't gamble either. "The house always wins"? True because they have an advantage. Variance creates ups and downs but over time the casinos always win. That means they aren't gambling by any sense of the word.

An advantage Player simply switches who has the advantage. A perfect card counter KNOWS he is going to win even in the downward slumps. Therefore even a card counter isn't gambling.

So I will accept that I am not an advantage gambler. However only if one accepts that there is no such thing to begin with. There are negative expectation GAMBLERS and advantage PLAYERS!

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This was a really good answer. I am going to borrow some of the language, with DarkOz as referenced source.

I am reminded of a famous bookmaker in Pennsylvania. He always argued that he was actually gambling, not bookmaking, because he took a position on every game and wasn't really concerned with balancing book on any given game. Of course, we argued with him that he had an edge and he wasn't gambling. His counter-argument was he had an edge only if he was right a certain percent of the time (47.6% not counting parlay bets, for example).

He fought tooth and nail to define himself as a gambler, while I argued that he was actually an advantage player as a bookmaker. But because bookmaking is a game of opinion, he had a point. Unless he took opinion out of it and simply flipped a coin, in which case he was clearly an advantage player and not a gambler.

As with most things, definitions are crucial and underappreciated.

By the way, he recently served some time in the same location as Michael Douglas' son and got to meet Douglas and Zeta-Jones

Legitimate what in the fuck.

I argued Darkoz is not a crook without really really stretching the argument. I pointed out using someone else's card might be against some rule and thus could make one seemingly a crook, but that this would be a stretch.

I don't recall making any judgement about whether he was a gambler. I did say he was an AP and so I think that means he is a gambler. Can't be a player without being a gambler? Anyway, who cares. These semantic arguments are so stupid.

I said nothing about anything else nor do I talk about stuff like what was mentioned as it does no one who is using these tactics any good.

Darkoz is confused as fuck I believe.

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

Legitimate what in the fuck.

I argued Darkoz is not a crook without really really stretching the argument. I pointed out using someone else's card might be against some rule and thus could make one seemingly a crook, but that this would be a stretch.

I don't recall making any judgement about whether he was a gambler. I did say he was an AP and so I think that means he is a gambler. Can't be a player without being a gambler? Anyway, who cares. These semantic arguments are so stupid.

I said nothing about anything else nor do I talk about stuff like what was mentioned as it does no one who is using these tactics any good.

Darkoz is confused as fuck I believe.

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Apologies accountinquestion. You are right.

Mickeycriminal said it but I saw your name above his when you quoted him in the earlier thread.

Less confusied and more like bad eyesight. Again please accept the apolgy

My bad

lolz you fell for Mickey's trap !

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Originally Posted by Darkoz

Starting new thread to discuss accountinquestion saying I am not a gambler because I know I am going to win.

Firstly he claims I trick the casinos into believing I am making a wager I am not. Therefore not only do I not gamble but I commit a crime.

It took me a moment to realize he is referring to my "card pulling"!

To be clear I agree that tricking the casino into seeing wagers not made is criminal. Past posting for example, where you wait till the outcome is known then trick the casino into believing you made the wager.

But card pulling is the polar opposite. I ACTUALLY MAKE A WAGER, then trick the casino into believing I didn't!

But I am always making a wager!!!

Is it illegal? Hell no. The casinos give the player the option of using a player card or not. How can choosing not to use a card be illegal especially when quite a few players do it?

And there are no gambling regs I am aware of that state when a player must choose to insert or remove their players card.

In fact making wagers but hiding wins is really more "rat-holing digitally" but stuffing chips into your pocket is certainly not illegal either (except perhaps roulette chips with intent to falsify value later).

Or making a large initial wager, then playing lower amounts while slow playing a crowded table so that hourly risk guesses by the pit bosses are misconstrued.

Which brings us back to definition of an advantage gambler. Accountinquestion surmises I am not a gambler because I know I am going to win, therefore there is no real gamble.

Hmmm! Technically AP means Advantage PLAYING. Note we don't call ourselves AG (Advantage Gamblers). In one sense I am inclined to agree.

Casinos don't gamble either. "The house always wins"? True because they have an advantage. Variance creates ups and downs but over time the casinos always win. That means they aren't gambling by any sense of the word.

An advantage Player simply switches who has the advantage. A perfect card counter KNOWS he is going to win even in the downward slumps. Therefore even a card counter isn't gambling.

So I will accept that I am not an advantage gambler. However only if one accepts that there is no such thing to begin with. There are negative expectation GAMBLERS and advantage PLAYERS!

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I want to start off by saying I like you and I do believe you're making money and doing okay for yourself, all things considered.

BUT... You're an idiot because your want for attention and self-esteem is so f****** fragile(Napoleon complex) you talk about stuff you shouldn't, you just can't resist the urge because... You want people to think you are something special, smarter, making more money, more organized and more AP clever than you actually are. You want other people to believe things you know are not true about yourself.

What a sad pathetic group you AP’s appear to be. Imagine going through your live always living on the edge of that slippery slope between right and wrong or win or loose.

Any person that need to work for people like Darkoz would have to be desperate, a drug or alcohol attic, a compulsive gambler, a empty headed BLM or Antifa member, or just one plain simple dumb asshole. Or at least dumb enough not being able to get a real job, or believe in the genie in the bottle.

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Originally Posted by blackhole

What a sad pathetic group you AP’s appear to be. Imagine going through your live always living on the edge of that slippery slope between right and wrong or win or loose.

Any person that need to work for people like Darkoz would have to be desperate, a drug or alcohol attic, a compulsive gambler, a empty headed BLM or Antifa member, or just one plain simple dumb asshole. Or at least dumb enough not being able to get a real job, or believe in the genie in the bottle.

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Your retarded ass doesn't know the difference between lose/loose and attic/addict. lmao.

Give me your address and I'll have a nice mirror sent your way. Hell I'll pitch in a dictionary too.

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

Your retarded ass doesn't know the difference between lose/loose and attic/addict. lmao.

Give me your address and I'll have a nice mirror sent your way. Hell I'll pitch in a dictionary too.

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At my age we are entitled to such obvious errors. Hell, I could get confused trying to remember where I was or what I did two weeks ago.

The majority of my generation was one of the last hard-working bunch that believed in the American Dream and found it. When I graduated high school, I got a job, my own place and never looked back or counted on my mom or dad again for anything. In fact, I always made their lives way more comfortable especially making sure they enjoyed their senior years. You should be ashamed of yourself at your age still living in your parent’s basement, leaching off their hard work.

Then you have the balls to come on here and trash me for spelling. Your stupid response here was nothing but an effort to convince people how clever and smart you must be. That’s what losers do. (I got that loser right) Any mature person realizes the spelling was a mistake and will just leave it be. After all this is a degenerate gambling forum, not some online college course. You’re not the first asshole to do this stupid nonsense here.

You demonstrated the exact definition of a confirmed DUMD FUCKING CUNT.

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Originally Posted by blackhole

What a sad pathetic group you AP’s appear to be. Imagine going through your live always living on the edge of that slippery slope between right and wrong or win or loose.

Any person that need to work for people like Darkoz would have to be desperate, a drug or alcohol attic, a compulsive gambler, a empty headed BLM or Antifa member, or just one plain simple dumb asshole. Or at least dumb enough not being able to get a real job, or believe in the genie in the bottle.

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It kind of depends on what you consider an employee. Is he counting people who he recruits to get cards as employees? Is he counting people recruit people to get cards for him as an employee? Is he counting people who do pickups for him as an employee?
He better have solid people doing pickups for him or I can guarantee you there's going to be a leakage and major problems. If they're solid enough people, more likely than not they're either going to branch out on their own(like he did) or eventually move on to something else, unless they are getting a pretty big chunk or become somewhat of a partner. I have Hired people and the solid ones either want to become a partner get paid a significant amount, if not, eventually they move on to something else. There's going to be problems with some of the people who get you cards as well, some of those problems can get very serious real quick.

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Originally Posted by blackhole

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

Your retarded ass doesn't know the difference between lose/loose and attic/addict. lmao.

Give me your address and I'll have a nice mirror sent your way. Hell I'll pitch in a dictionary too.

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At my age we are entitled to such obvious errors. Hell, I could get confused trying to remember where I was or what I did two weeks ago.

The majority of my generation was one of the last hard-working bunch that believed in the American Dream and found it. When I graduated high school, I got a job, my own place and never looked back or counted on my mom or dad again for anything. In fact, I always made their lives way more comfortable especially making sure they enjoyed their senior years. You should be ashamed of yourself at your age still living in your parent’s basement, leaching off their hard work.

Then you have the balls to come on here and trash me for spelling. Your stupid response here was nothing but an effort to convince people how clever and smart you must be. That’s what losers do. (I got that loser right) Any mature person realizes the spelling was a mistake and will just leave it be. After all this is a degenerate gambling forum, not some online college course. You’re not the first asshole to do this stupid nonsense here.

You demonstrated the exact definition of a confirmed DUMD FUCKING CUNT.

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I love this "back when I was a kid, we worked hard". Thats why they got off the gold standard and started fractional reserves and all the other shit that takes money out of future tax-payers. Hell even when I went to college it was far far cheaper (not counting inflation) Entitlement beyond belief then endless projection otherwise. Fuck off with your nonsense. You can look at so many different statistics and realize how much better 50's - 70's had it.

I'm not trying to make myself look smart, I'm pointing out you're a retard. You're the one who came through and attacked a whole group of people over the flimsiest reasons then someone says something and you say they're a loser for it ! lmao.

I get the spelling was a mistake. (Drooling Shit for brains - how could it not be ?) but attic and addict etc is pretty fucking humorous.

Whatever you say CUNT.

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

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Originally Posted by blackhole

What a sad pathetic group you AP’s appear to be. Imagine going through your live always living on the edge of that slippery slope between right and wrong or win or loose.

Any person that need to work for people like Darkoz would have to be desperate, a drug or alcohol attic, a compulsive gambler, a empty headed BLM or Antifa member, or just one plain simple dumb asshole. Or at least dumb enough not being able to get a real job, or believe in the genie in the bottle.

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It kind of depends on what you consider an employee. Is he counting people who he recruits to get cards as employees? Is he counting people recruit people to get cards for him as an employee? Is he counting people who do pickups for him as an employee?
He better have solid people doing pickups for him or I can guarantee you there's going to be a leakage and major problems. If they're solid enough people, more likely than not they're either going to branch out on their own(like he did) or eventually move on to something else, unless they are getting a pretty big chunk or become somewhat of a partner. I have Hired people and the solid ones either want to become a partner get paid a significant amount, if not, eventually they move on to something else. There's going to be problems with some of the people who get you cards as well, some of those problems can get very serious real quick.

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I’ve been busy and haven’t posted much but did see this tonight. Not taking sides but there isn’t many options when talking about legal “employees”.

Either they work for you, get a weekly paycheck based on an agreed upon wage and hours worked. Then you as the employer match their social security wages you withhold, and deduct their federal tax, state tax (if in a state that has one like NY & NJ) and local tax. You then pay the withholdings to the government weekly, monthly or quarterly based on the amount.

The other option is employees you consider independent contractors. The legal ruling are narrow on these but many try to use it to avoid matching SS taxes on their employees. In this case you provide the individual with a 1099 at the end of the year that states their total earnings. You then file a copy with the IRS so that the employee or sub contractor cannot forget to report these earnings.

These are the legal options for calling anyone an employee. Unless of course you are paying individuals cash in what many call “under the table”. But I don’t think many doing this would be dumb enough to admit it and call anyone they are paying cash employees.

Matching 7.65% of someone wages toward their future retirement and collecting their other taxes owed isn’t hard and is the right thing to do in my opinion. But everyone has their justification.

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by Darkoz

Starting new thread to discuss accountinquestion saying I am not a gambler because I know I am going to win.

Firstly he claims I trick the casinos into believing I am making a wager I am not. Therefore not only do I not gamble but I commit a crime.

It took me a moment to realize he is referring to my "card pulling"!

To be clear I agree that tricking the casino into seeing wagers not made is criminal. Past posting for example, where you wait till the outcome is known then trick the casino into believing you made the wager.

But card pulling is the polar opposite. I ACTUALLY MAKE A WAGER, then trick the casino into believing I didn't!

But I am always making a wager!!!

Is it illegal? Hell no. The casinos give the player the option of using a player card or not. How can choosing not to use a card be illegal especially when quite a few players do it?

And there are no gambling regs I am aware of that state when a player must choose to insert or remove their players card.

In fact making wagers but hiding wins is really more "rat-holing digitally" but stuffing chips into your pocket is certainly not illegal either (except perhaps roulette chips with intent to falsify value later).

Or making a large initial wager, then playing lower amounts while slow playing a crowded table so that hourly risk guesses by the pit bosses are misconstrued.

Which brings us back to definition of an advantage gambler. Accountinquestion surmises I am not a gambler because I know I am going to win, therefore there is no real gamble.

Hmmm! Technically AP means Advantage PLAYING. Note we don't call ourselves AG (Advantage Gamblers). In one sense I am inclined to agree.

Casinos don't gamble either. "The house always wins"? True because they have an advantage. Variance creates ups and downs but over time the casinos always win. That means they aren't gambling by any sense of the word.

An advantage Player simply switches who has the advantage. A perfect card counter KNOWS he is going to win even in the downward slumps. Therefore even a card counter isn't gambling.

So I will accept that I am not an advantage gambler. However only if one accepts that there is no such thing to begin with. There are negative expectation GAMBLERS and advantage PLAYERS!

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This was a really good answer. I am going to borrow some of the language, with DarkOz as referenced source.

I am reminded of a famous bookmaker in Pennsylvania. He always argued that he was actually gambling, not bookmaking, because he took a position on every game and wasn't really concerned with balancing book on any given game. Of course, we argued with him that he had an edge and he wasn't gambling. His counter-argument was he had an edge only if he was right a certain percent of the time (47.6% not counting parlay bets, for example).

He fought tooth and nail to define himself as a gambler, while I argued that he was actually an advantage player as a bookmaker. But because bookmaking is a game of opinion, he had a point. Unless he took opinion out of it and simply flipped a coin, in which case he was clearly an advantage player and not a gambler.

As with most things, definitions are crucial and underappreciated.

By the way, he recently served some time in the same location as Michael Douglas' son and got to meet Douglas and Zeta-Jones

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Whether a person is gambling with an advantage or not , or if you want to call it "playing with an advantage" is irrelevant to the issue of whether the person is gambling. The state of Nevada has a definition for gambling. Gambling involves the elements of chance, consideration and remuneration. That means uncertain outcome, money bet and a winner is paid.

Redietz, what your bookie was doing fits the definition of gambling. That he is guaranteed to make money in the long run because of net edge and volume has no bearing on whether each individual bet meets the definition of gambling. If the result of each individual wager is uncertain then it is gambling.

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Originally Posted by blackhole

What a sad pathetic group you AP’s appear to be. Imagine going through your live always living on the edge of that slippery slope between right and wrong or win or loose.

Any person that need to work for people like Darkoz would have to be desperate, a drug or alcohol attic, a compulsive gambler, a empty headed BLM or Antifa member, or just one plain simple dumb asshole. Or at least dumb enough not being able to get a real job, or believe in the genie in the bottle.

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It kind of depends on what you consider an employee. Is he counting people who he recruits to get cards as employees? Is he counting people recruit people to get cards for him as an employee? Is he counting people who do pickups for him as an employee?
He better have solid people doing pickups for him or I can guarantee you there's going to be a leakage and major problems. If they're solid enough people, more likely than not they're either going to branch out on their own(like he did) or eventually move on to something else, unless they are getting a pretty big chunk or become somewhat of a partner. I have Hired people and the solid ones either want to become a partner get paid a significant amount, if not, eventually they move on to something else. There's going to be problems with some of the people who get you cards as well, some of those problems can get very serious real quick.

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I’ve been busy and haven’t posted much but did see this tonight. Not taking sides but there isn’t many options when talking about legal “employees”.

Either they work for you, get a weekly paycheck based on an agreed upon wage and hours worked. Then you as the employer match their social security wages you withhold, and deduct their federal tax, state tax (if in a state that has one like NY & NJ) and local tax. You then pay the withholdings to the government weekly, monthly or quarterly based on the amount.

The other option is employees you consider independent contractors. The legal ruling are narrow on these but many try to use it to avoid matching SS taxes on their employees. In this case you provide the individual with a 1099 at the end of the year that states their total earnings. You then file a copy with the IRS so that the employee or sub contractor cannot forget to report these earnings.

These are the legal options for calling anyone an employee. Unless of course you are paying individuals cash in what many call “under the table”. But I don’t think many doing this would be dumb enough to admit it and call anyone they are paying cash employees.

Matching 7.65% of someone wages toward their future retirement and collecting their other taxes owed isn’t hard and is the right thing to do in my opinion. But everyone has their justification.

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Given they're going to be handing Darkoz money and such, it is fairly hard to make them into employees. Not sure how that'd work. Contractors seems far more appropriate since the payment depends on what they win and such.

So basically you guys are pissed because someone not calling his cohorts "under the tablers". The fact is employees has a legal definition and a broader definition. How do we refer to employees in other countries that do not fall under US laws? They're employees! Give me a break with the moralizing.

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It kind of depends on what you consider an employee. Is he counting people who he recruits to get cards as employees? Is he counting people recruit people to get cards for him as an employee? Is he counting people who do pickups for him as an employee?
He better have solid people doing pickups for him or I can guarantee you there's going to be a leakage and major problems. If they're solid enough people, more likely than not they're either going to branch out on their own(like he did) or eventually move on to something else, unless they are getting a pretty big chunk or become somewhat of a partner. I have Hired people and the solid ones either want to become a partner get paid a significant amount, if not, eventually they move on to something else. There's going to be problems with some of the people who get you cards as well, some of those problems can get very serious real quick.

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I’ve been busy and haven’t posted much but did see this tonight. Not taking sides but there isn’t many options when talking about legal “employees”.

Either they work for you, get a weekly paycheck based on an agreed upon wage and hours worked. Then you as the employer match their social security wages you withhold, and deduct their federal tax, state tax (if in a state that has one like NY & NJ) and local tax. You then pay the withholdings to the government weekly, monthly or quarterly based on the amount.

The other option is employees you consider independent contractors. The legal ruling are narrow on these but many try to use it to avoid matching SS taxes on their employees. In this case you provide the individual with a 1099 at the end of the year that states their total earnings. You then file a copy with the IRS so that the employee or sub contractor cannot forget to report these earnings.

These are the legal options for calling anyone an employee. Unless of course you are paying individuals cash in what many call “under the table”. But I don’t think many doing this would be dumb enough to admit it and call anyone they are paying cash employees.

Matching 7.65% of someone wages toward their future retirement and collecting their other taxes owed isn’t hard and is the right thing to do in my opinion. But everyone has their justification.

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Contractors seems far more appropriate since the payment depends on what they win and such.
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Payment is set in advance. I get the full amount of money won and they get paid for the work performed.

If I make zero profit I still pay my workers for the work performed

"Leakage" (employee skimming) doesn't happen. I would go into how I make certain of that but I probably would give away a few too many secrets to my fellow AP'S

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but there isn’t many options when talking about legal “employees”.

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Payment is set in advance. I get the full amount of money won and they get paid for the work performed.

If I make zero profit I still pay my workers for the work performed

"Leakage" (employee skimming) doesn't happen. I would go into how I make certain of that but I probably would give away a few too many secrets to my fellow AP'S

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Legal employees, paying federal / SS taxes to be certain the employee has something to fall back on. What the fuck is going on here? How about medical benefits, paid vacations, donations to 401K's, paid pregnant leave, employer supplied vehicles for conveniences? Just to name a few real life needs.

Dark idiot don't want to give away secrets how he prevents Leakage (employee skimming) There's only one way to deal with drug/alcohol/gambling losers. Is Joe Pesci still for hire?

You fucking idiots are the most entertaining assholes on the internet. This is why it always is a treat to stop in here and see what's being said.

You can't make this shit up.

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but there isn’t many options when talking about legal “employees”.

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Payment is set in advance. I get the full amount of money won and they get paid for the work performed.

If I make zero profit I still pay my workers for the work performed

"Leakage" (employee skimming) doesn't happen. I would go into how I make certain of that but I probably would give away a few too many secrets to my fellow AP'S

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Legal employees, paying federal / SS taxes to be certain the employee has something to fall back on. What the fuck is going on here? How about medical benefits, paid vacations, donations to 401K's, paid pregnant leave, employer supplied vehicles for conveniences? Just to name a few real life needs.

Dark idiot don't want to give away secrets how he prevents Leakage (employee skimming) There's only one way to deal with drug/alcohol/gambling losers. Is Joe Pesci still for hire?

You fucking idiots are the most entertaining assholes on the internet. This is why it always is a treat to stop in here and see what's being said.

You can't make this shit up.

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The only thing you can't make up is how dumb you are to be unable to figure out Advantage Play techniques.

But there are some folks on here who could probably figure out my strategic locations (some have come close enough) that I don't want to harbor competition.

Quite possibly they already have people working my markets but best not to feed them valuable specifics.

Make no bones about it I am probably the most open AP on the planet. But AP's want me to shut up so the casinos don't learn common secrets. If I spilled secrets an AP could profit from they would be all over it (while simultaneously condemning it)

But, ummm, to be clear, no, I don't use mafia style tactics to keep my leakage in line (in fact if you actually watched all the mafia films you would know it doesn't work, there is always the scene where leakage is discovered and someone gets plugged with lead. That's not PREVENTING leakage, that's just dealing with it so you even fail to get it right on that idea)

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The only thing you can't make up is how dumb you are to be unable to figure out Advantage Play techniques.

But there are some folks on here who could probably figure out my strategic locations (some have come close enough) that I don't want to harbor competition.

Quite possibly they already have people working my markets but best not to feed them valuable specifics.

Make no bones about it I am probably the most open AP on the planet. But AP's want me to shut up so the casinos don't learn common secrets. If I spilled secrets an AP could profit from they would be all over it (while simultaneously condemning it)

But, ummm, to be clear, no, I don't use mafia style tactics to keep my leakage in line (in fact if you actually watched all the mafia films you would know it doesn't work, there is always the scene where leakage is discovered and someone gets plugged with lead. That's not PREVENTING leakage, that's just dealing with it so you even fail to get it right on that idea)

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First of all, 99% of most people don’t care or need to pursue any type of AP advantage. I for one being part of that 99%. When I stumbled into a couple of these brain-dead gambling forums, I found the entertainment level with the likes of Rob Singer, a drunken (at the time) Mickey, etc. very much entertaining. Throw in the level of dumbness always being demonstrated (Tasha etc.) along with Axelass and Darky’s alleged bullshit the entertainment level sky-rockets. This place is always worth a visit for the unexpected next joke.

You talk about running the risks of being the most open AP on forums and worried that others will capitalize on your territory or be able to figure out what it is you do. You also show concerns the casinos might catch onto some of your tricky dickey techniques.

Why don’t you do yourself a favor and just shut the fuck up? I’m pretty certain most here couldn’t care less one way or the other about your alleged nonsense. You just want to convince others that you are the gambling genie in the bottle like Axelass. The only people biting are the rest of the degenerate gamblers or other endless members with other personal problems unable to mix in with any society.

One other thing you and other AP’s keep forgetting when you say I’m too dumb to figure out AP techniques, I just don’t simply give a fuck. Not even a jerk-off. I could cut a check or open one of my safes for any Jackpot I want to hit at will. I would do a swan dive on a machete facing up before being forced to hang out endlessly in casinos for a living. I very rarely spent more than 2.5 days at a time in casinos, and always carried a large bottle of aspirin when I did go. The rare times I spent a week in one would be for something like the WSOP or other outside activity planned like taking a chopper to the rapids for a 2-day White Water ride through the Grand Canyon, then fly back to the noise of machines and the crowd. After being away for two days it becomes easier to deal with when we return.

Believe me Darky, your making a fool of yourself.

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The only thing you can't make up is how dumb you are to be unable to figure out Advantage Play techniques.

But there are some folks on here who could probably figure out my strategic locations (some have come close enough) that I don't want to harbor competition.

Quite possibly they already have people working my markets but best not to feed them valuable specifics.

Make no bones about it I am probably the most open AP on the planet. But AP's want me to shut up so the casinos don't learn common secrets. If I spilled secrets an AP could profit from they would be all over it (while simultaneously condemning it)

But, ummm, to be clear, no, I don't use mafia style tactics to keep my leakage in line (in fact if you actually watched all the mafia films you would know it doesn't work, there is always the scene where leakage is discovered and someone gets plugged with lead. That's not PREVENTING leakage, that's just dealing with it so you even fail to get it right on that idea)

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First of all, 99% of most people don’t care or need to pursue any type of AP advantage. I for one being part of that 99%. When I stumbled into a couple of these brain-dead gambling forums, I found the entertainment level with the likes of Rob Singer, a drunken (at the time) Mickey, etc. very much entertaining. Throw in the level of dumbness always being demonstrated (Tasha etc.) along with Axelass and Darky’s alleged bullshit the entertainment level sky-rockets. This place is always worth a visit for the unexpected next joke.

You talk about running the risks of being the most open AP on forums and worried that others will capitalize on your territory or be able to figure out what it is you do. You also show concerns the casinos might catch onto some of your tricky dickey techniques.

Why don’t you do yourself a favor and just shut the fuck up? I’m pretty certain most here couldn’t care less one way or the other about your alleged nonsense. You just want to convince others that you are the gambling genie in the bottle like Axelass. The only people biting are the rest of the degenerate gamblers or other endless members with other personal problems unable to mix in with any society.

One other thing you and other AP’s keep forgetting when you say I’m too dumb to figure out AP techniques, I just don’t simply give a fuck. Not even a jerk-off. I could cut a check or open one of my safes for any Jackpot I want to hit at will. I would do a swan dive on a machete facing up before being forced to hang out endlessly in casinos for a living. I very rarely spent more than 2.5 days at a time in casinos, and always carried a large bottle of aspirin when I did go. The rare times I spent a week in one would be for something like the WSOP or other outside activity planned like taking a chopper to the rapids for a 2-day White Water ride through the Grand Canyon, then fly back to the noise of machines and the crowd. After being away for two days it becomes easier to deal with when we return.

Believe me Darky, your making a fool of yourself.

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Only a fool would suggest 99% of gamblers aren't interested in Advantage play.

Truth is 99% believe they are creating an advantage every time they play. Problem is they are superstitious fucks.

Next time you see a gambler at the slots rubbing the screen every spin ask them why

Guaranteed their answer won't be "I like static electricity buildup"

Their answer is "I win more often this way".

They perceive an advantage! Guaranteed if you actually showed them a legit mathematically sound means to win they would use those methods

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One other thing you and other AP’s keep forgetting when you say I’m too dumb to figure out AP techniques, I just don’t simply give a fuck. Not even a jerk-off. I could cut a check or open one of my safes for any Jackpot I want to hit at will. I would do a swan dive on a machete facing up before being forced to hang out endlessly in casinos for a living. I very rarely spent more than 2.5 days at a time in casinos, and always carried a large bottle of aspirin when I did go. The rare times I spent a week in one would be for something like the WSOP or other outside activity planned like taking a chopper to the rapids for a 2-day White Water ride through the Grand Canyon, then fly back to the noise of machines and the crowd. After being away for two days it becomes easier to deal with when we return.

Believe me Darky, your making a fool of yourself.

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This guy is a huge clown. Anyone who tries so hard to prove they don't care is pathetic.

Guy doesn't care about any of this, just can't stop reading and trying to insult people to make himself feel better at his own failings whatever they are.

Whatever you say CUNT

I’m pretty sure 100% of darky and black assholes 99% statistics are made up.

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Only a fool would suggest 99% of gamblers aren't interested in Advantage play.

Truth is 99% believe they are creating an advantage every time they play. Problem is they are superstitious fucks.

Next time you see a gambler at the slots rubbing the screen every spin ask them why

Guaranteed their answer won't be "I like static electricity buildup"

Their answer is "I win more often this way".

They perceive an advantage! Guaranteed if you actually showed them a legit mathematically sound means to win they would use those methods

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Here you go again with the tricky dicky twist of words to fit your narrative. I never said 99% of gamblers. I said 99% of most people. 100% of gamblers are problem gamblers interested in your nonsense.

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The study found that lifetime prevalence rates among adults in the general population for both nations together were estimated at 1.60 percent for Level 3 gamblers and 5.45 percent for Levels 2 and 3 combined.

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Only a fool would suggest 99% of gamblers aren't interested in Advantage play.

Truth is 99% believe they are creating an advantage every time they play. Problem is they are superstitious fucks.

Next time you see a gambler at the slots rubbing the screen every spin ask them why

Guaranteed their answer won't be "I like static electricity buildup"

Their answer is "I win more often this way".

They perceive an advantage! Guaranteed if you actually showed them a legit mathematically sound means to win they would use those methods

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Here you go again with the tricky dicky twist of words to fit your narrative. I never said 99% of gamblers. I said 99% of most people. 100% of gamblers are problem gamblers interested in your nonsense.

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US Gambling Statistics
The study found that lifetime prevalence rates among adults in the general population for both nations together were estimated at 1.60 percent for Level 3 gamblers and 5.45 percent for Levels 2 and 3 combined.

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I'm confident you would still be wrong!

From personal anecdotal experience when I tell non-gambling aquaintances just a tidbit of what I do, they are almost always interested in how, where ,why, etc.

I'm fact they ask more questions than the "degenerate gamblers. The degenerate gamblers know they would never give up such a lucrative secret to winning or intrinsically understand it's difficult to accomplish.

The average non-gambling person will press and press, seeing instant dollar signs in front of their eyes (that's a linguistic image Mr. Tricky dicky I don't actually take out dollar bills and wave it in front of their face)

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I'm confident you would still be wrong!

From personal anecdotal experience when I tell non-gambling aquaintances just a tidbit of what I do, they are almost always interested in how, where ,why, etc.

I'm fact they ask more questions than the "degenerate gamblers. The degenerate gamblers know they would never give up such a lucrative secret to winning or intrinsically understand it's difficult to accomplish.

The average non-gambling person will press and press, seeing instant dollar signs in front of their eyes (that's a linguistic image Mr. Tricky dicky I don't actually take out dollar bills and wave it in front of their face)

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Why don’t you just face the facts. The non-gambling acquaintances you talk about might be interested in your nonsense just to satisfy their curiosity. None of them are going to quit their present secure income and future in exchange for a gamble. Many more alleged AP’s end up broke then wealthy like you and Axelass. No doubt young burger flippers and other unemployed losers like drug and alcohol abusers would try anything. Where would you be without being able to recruit and take advantage of the rift raft / employees? Hell, even you were a broken-down shoe living on the streets sleeping on subways at one time.

Now look at you and others like Axelass the kings of anonymous alleged AP’s endlessly attempting to convince other anonymous people on empty headed anonymous gambling forums of your alleged success and wealth.

Something stinks in Denmark.

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I'm confident you would still be wrong!

From personal anecdotal experience when I tell non-gambling aquaintances just a tidbit of what I do, they are almost always interested in how, where ,why, etc.

I'm fact they ask more questions than the "degenerate gamblers. The degenerate gamblers know they would never give up such a lucrative secret to winning or intrinsically understand it's difficult to accomplish.

The average non-gambling person will press and press, seeing instant dollar signs in front of their eyes (that's a linguistic image Mr. Tricky dicky I don't actually take out dollar bills and wave it in front of their face)

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Why don’t you just face the facts. The non-gambling acquaintances you talk about might be interested in your nonsense just to satisfy their curiosity. None of them are going to quit their present secure income and future in exchange for a gamble. Many more alleged AP’s end up broke then wealthy like you and Axelass. No doubt young burger flippers and other unemployed losers like drug and alcohol abusers would try anything. Where would you be without being able to recruit and take advantage of the rift raft / employees? Hell, even you were a broken-down shoe living on the streets sleeping on subways at one time.

Now look at you and others like Axelass the kings of anonymous alleged AP’s endlessly attempting to convince other anonymous people on empty headed anonymous gambling forums of your alleged success and wealth.

Something stinks in Denmark.

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Every multi-million dollars lottery ticket is sold on the hope that people can give up their day job on a gamble.

You just sound more an more retarded.

As for Denmark it's probably your bad Stinking breath you smell.

Poor Shakespeare is turning in his grave at the thought so many dumbasses use his lines thinking they are smart

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Every multi-million dollars lottery ticket is sold on the hope that people can give up their day job on a gamble.

You just sound more an more retarded.

As for Denmark it's probably your bad Stinking breath you smell.

Poor Shakespeare is turning in his grave at the thought so many dumbasses use his lines thinking they are smart

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You know Darky is deep-sea fishing trying to compare buying a $1.00 lottery ticket that could be worth millions and life changing to AP’ing around the clock in shithole casinos hoping you could feed your family before going broke and being forced to apply for assistance.

For the record and with your known past, there is no doubt in my mind everything you do is off the books, manipulating the IRS with jackpots (paying others to claim them) and milking the system for everything you could. Food stamps, free medical, free prescriptions, etc. Why don’t you or other AP’s ever discuss these important life necessities? Maybe you pay cash for all these things with all the money you have. After all what’s 20K or a 40K hospital stay to a man with your means? You probably never changed your status in your state since your hobo days for the freebies. You leeches are all over the place.

That line from Shakespeare’s Hamlet play “something is rotten in the state of Denmark” developed lots of other meanings along the way with a few that fit you perfectly.

Usage
This phrase has a wide range of usage. It is found abundantly in literature, politics, courts, media and everyday life specifically when referring to dirty politics. It perfectly fits for a corrupt leader, ruler or political party in a country. It can also be used for a boss for his misruling and corrupt administration. It can be applicable to any type of corruption happening whether in politics, at home, businesses, or even in love, meaning something wrong going around.

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Every multi-million dollars lottery ticket is sold on the hope that people can give up their day job on a gamble.

You just sound more an more retarded.

As for Denmark it's probably your bad Stinking breath you smell.

Poor Shakespeare is turning in his grave at the thought so many dumbasses use his lines thinking they are smart

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You know Darky is deep-sea fishing trying to compare buying a $1.00 lottery ticket that could be worth millions and life changing to AP’ing around the clock in shithole casinos hoping you could feed your family before going broke and being forced to apply for assistance.

For the record and with your known past, there is no doubt in my mind everything you do is off the books, manipulating the IRS with jackpots (paying others to claim them) and milking the system for everything you could. Food stamps, free medical, free prescriptions, etc. Why don’t you or other AP’s ever discuss these important life necessities? Maybe you pay cash for all these things with all the money you have. After all what’s 20K or a 40K hospital stay to a man with your means? You probably never changed your status in your state since your hobo days for the freebies. You leeches are all over the place.

That line from Shakespeare’s Hamlet play “something is rotten in the state of Denmark” developed lots of other meanings along the way with a few that fit you perfectly.

Usage
This phrase has a wide range of usage. It is found abundantly in literature, politics, courts, media and everyday life specifically when referring to dirty politics. It perfectly fits for a corrupt leader, ruler or political party in a country. It can also be used for a boss for his misruling and corrupt administration. It can be applicable to any type of corruption happening whether in politics, at home, businesses, or even in love, meaning something wrong going around.

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About the first thing you got right.

I pay cash for all my medical bills.

As for everything else, I don't receive any government assistance and I have close to a quarter million in JACKPOTS I claimed this year.

I brag about not committing any crimes INSIDE the casinos. What point would it be to just commit crimes OUTSIDE the casinos instead.

I'm actually pretty law abiding if not for the sole reason I am too paranoid about getting caught and doing time

You are one hell of a entertaining anonymous person.

Aren’t you the person that refuses to get or use credit cards allegedly after getting screwed over 4K once from a desperate multi billion-dollar bank that always usually try to keep customers happy? Or could it be the actual facts are you just made up a cover story because you can’t have any records of spending and paying money off to maintain state assistance?

Quarter of a million dollars in jackpots already this year. I could only imagine what that number might have been if the casinos weren’t closed for 4 to 6 months and still 3 months left on the calendar to go this year. Thank you for supporting some of my Social Security payments with your jackpots. Your bullshit has now gone over the top of my boots and filled the inside of them with stinky shit.

I’m certain I got my opinion of you across with our recent communications here. You could come back with what I consider all the bullshit you want, I’m not buying any of it.

I certainly spent to much time going back and forth with one of the biggest air-heads on these sites. You might be fooling some other air-heads, but I’m certain most are having a good laugh at your expense.

Take a FUCKING WALK………

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You are one hell of a entertaining anonymous person.

Aren’t you the person that refuses to get or use credit cards allegedly after getting screwed over 4K once from a desperate multi billion-dollar bank that always usually try to keep customers happy? Or could it be the actual facts are you just made up a cover story because you can’t have any records of spending and paying money off to maintain state assistance?

Quarter of a million dollars in jackpots already this year. I could only imagine what that number might have been if the casinos weren’t closed for 4 to 6 months and still 3 months left on the calendar to go this year. Thank you for supporting some of my Social Security payments with your jackpots. Your bullshit has now gone over the top of my boots and filled the inside of them with stinky shit.

I’m certain I got my opinion of you across with our recent communications here. You could come back with what I consider all the bullshit you want, I’m not buying any of it.

I certainly spent to much time going back and forth with one of the biggest air-heads on these sites. You might be fooling some other air-heads, but I’m certain most are having a good laugh at your expense.

Take a FUCKING WALK………

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I don't have any state assistance.

You can believe what you want but unless you have proof your accusations are baseless.

And when I said I claimed a quarter million ($249,000) in JACKPOTS this year I meant claimed this year at tax time for last year's earnings

But of course you like to parse minutiae to twist things to your point.

Of course next you will say my bragging about a quarter million in profits from jackpots is a lie even though I never said that. I said I claimed the JACKPOTS. Obviously I didn't walk and spin one time for each W2G jackpot. My profit claimed was just over $76,000.

I won pretty much all the W2G's on must hits.

You are too dumb to even understand that form of AP so I suggest you try going back to school

You are too dumb to realize I use a pre-paid card for purchasing so clearly not hiding anything.

Or that I wired tens of thousands to a brokerage for purchasing stock so again I am not in hiding from state assistance claims because I don't receive any

Trump denouncing KKK, white nationalists and neo-nazi's in April 2017.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6PFZNruJes

On Face the Nation in 2016 Trump denounced David Duke and the KKK. Then he explained that the mainstream news media never picks it up when he makes those statements. That's why dumbfucks like you, MWP, mistakenly think Trump is a racist. You are to stupid to figure it out. Here's the interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLukCE3vwwA

Here's another video of Trump denouncing "racism, bigotry and white supremacy" in 2019.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUdRS98R6B8

In 2016 Trump complained about the police at an Oklahoma City rally not removing a person quickly enough that had on a a T-shirt that said "KKK supports Trump." I personally don't think the dude was a KKK member. I think he was a far left loon pulling a hoax to make Trump look like a racist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1evyptWWgDE

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Trump denouncing KKK, white nationalists and neo-nazi's in April 2017.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6PFZNruJes

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Fake news

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Trump denouncing KKK, white nationalists and neo-nazi's in April 2017.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6PFZNruJes

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Fake news

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The fake news comes from you lefty idiots that say Trump has never denounced racism. You are phonier than 3 dollar bills.

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The fake news comes from you lefty idiots that say Trump has never denounced racism. You are phonier than 3 dollar bills.

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Funny how that same statement by Mickey fits perfectly and rings so true with Darky’s bullshit fantasy’s about AP’ing.

Ironic how Darky is also a left-wing, communist, socialist determined to spread his own fake news. It has to be in the DNA.

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The fake news comes from you lefty idiots that say Trump has never denounced racism. You are phonier than 3 dollar bills.

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Funny how that same statement by Mickey fits perfectly and rings so true with Darky’s bullshit fantasy’s about AP’ing.

Ironic how Darky is also a left-wing, communist, socialist determined to spread his own fake news. It has to be in the DNA.

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You're so retarded you don't even know what DNA is. You think it's what your mom yells when it's time for supper.

"Oh, Blackie, It's time for DNA!"

Phonies like Darky, Axelass, and a few others have this irresistible itch to come onto anonymous gambling forums with anonymous memberships just to spread alleged anonymous successful AP fairy tales.

It’s hard to understand why you could think any anonymous alleged gambler would be taken for their word by other anonymous people about alleged un-proven wins. I believe there has to be some type of mental or psychological wires crossed for anyone to go out of their way for years and tens of thousands of posts on anonymous gambling forums with what could only be viewed as bullshit posts without any proof.

Darky just said he claimed a quarter of a million dollars last year in taxable wins. What is it with you that you can’t understand that had you said the amount was a half million, a million, 2 million, or fifty thousand; what difference would it have made? Hell, why not just go for the Rob Singer alleged un-proven winning numbers?

We’ve all read about the big AP wins over the years. The names of the casinos and the AP’s involved along with the AP moves were all exposed with fact for all to see. I’m sure there will be more to see in the future, I hope. The only time you heard from these known for fact AP’s is when the gig is over and their trying to sell books and gadgets to basement dwellers, who are wishing upon a star on anonymous gambling forums, or when most of them go or die broke.

I’m sure this alleged book you always threaten other alleged nervous AP’s with will never be written. Everything you claim you do or did on these forums stinks to high heaven. I’m certain you and every other alleged AP will do everything in their power to skirt the IRS, with everything possible being off the books, and are willing to stick it far up any person’s ass you could when the opportunity comes. There is one member here Monet, who told and tells the AP life how it really is.

With all these righteous straight-shooting AP claims on these anonymous gambling forums, not one person ever posted any IRS (redacted) documents to prove their alleged stories. I’ll tell you why. All of them do everything they could off the books and will pay others to keep it that way. And for the members that have real careers and have fun AP’ing on the side, also keep as much as possible of their gambling off the books.

I even know many well-off people that were losing tens of thousands of dollars in casinos with cash from heaven. This was back in the day when you could fly and get away with money belts loaded with cash on you. When you flew on a private plane to A.C. no one checked the plane or your private belongings for anything arriving or departing. When we use to land at Bader we could just walk to our plane and take off whenever we wanted.

Wonder how interesting these forums would be if they were actually honest, not un-proven alleged anonymous AP claims.

PS – For the record I hit a 40-million-dollar Lotto 2 weeks ago with a one-dollar ticket. I’m looking for a nice mansion to take some pictures and post them that I bought it. Don’t want to take any pictures of mansions off the internet. You guys are way too smart for that.

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Phonies like Darky, Axelass, and a few others have this irresistible itch to come onto anonymous gambling forums with anonymous memberships just to spread alleged anonymous successful AP fairy tales.

It’s hard to understand why you could think any anonymous alleged gambler would be taken for their word by other anonymous people about alleged un-proven wins. I believe there has to be some type of mental or psychological wires crossed for anyone to go out of their way for years and tens of thousands of posts on anonymous gambling forums with what could only be viewed as bullshit posts without any proof.

Darky just said he claimed a quarter of a million dollars last year in taxable wins. What is it with you that you can’t understand that had you said the amount was a half million, a million, 2 million, or fifty thousand; what difference would it have made? Hell, why not just go for the Rob Singer alleged un-proven winning numbers?

We’ve all read about the big AP wins over the years. The names of the casinos and the AP’s involved along with the AP moves were all exposed with fact for all to see. I’m sure there will be more to see in the future, I hope. The only time you heard from these known for fact AP’s is when the gig is over and their trying to sell books and gadgets to basement dwellers, who are wishing upon a star on anonymous gambling forums, or when most of them go or die broke.

I’m sure this alleged book you always threaten other alleged nervous AP’s with will never be written. Everything you claim you do or did on these forums stinks to high heaven. I’m certain you and every other alleged AP will do everything in their power to skirt the IRS, with everything possible being off the books, and are willing to stick it far up any person’s ass you could when the opportunity comes. There is one member here Monet, who told and tells the AP life how it really is.

With all these righteous straight-shooting AP claims on these anonymous gambling forums, not one person ever posted any IRS (redacted) documents to prove their alleged stories. I’ll tell you why. All of them do everything they could off the books and will pay others to keep it that way. And for the members that have real careers and have fun AP’ing on the side, also keep as much as possible of their gambling off the books.

I even know many well-off people that were losing tens of thousands of dollars in casinos with cash from heaven. This was back in the day when you could fly and get away with money belts loaded with cash on you. When you flew on a private plane to A.C. no one checked the plane or your private belongings for anything arriving or departing. When we use to land at Bader we could just walk to our plane and take off whenever we wanted.

Wonder how interesting these forums would be if they were actually honest, not un-proven alleged anonymous AP claims.

PS – For the record I hit a 40-million-dollar Lotto 2 weeks ago with a one-dollar ticket. I’m looking for a nice mansion to take some pictures and post them that I bought it. Don’t want to take any pictures of mansions off the internet. You guys are way too smart for that.

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I only read the first paragraph and started laughing too much to finish. This is the same guy who bothers to plead how much he doesn't care about any of this.

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I only read the first paragraph and started laughing too much to finish. This is the same guy who bothers to plead how much he doesn't care about any of this.

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Whatever you say CUNT

Facts are simple.

"The fake news comes from you lefty idiots that say Trump has never denounced racism. You are phonier than 3 dollar bills."

Facts are simple. But nobody wants to admit it Trump is a little fucking dick swinging fuck with a lot of money.

Biden's a homosexual gay racist individual that wants to suck Obama's dick and get some black sperm. And that's the bottom line.

I'm certain Blackhole not only doesn't comprehend AP moves (hence his disbelief) but doesn't even comprehend what is possible with just regular gambling

Take for instance his disbelief that I won nearly $250,000 in JACKPOTS in 2019. At first I thought this was curious until I remembered that most people play low denim slots.

Blackhole is probably imagining I am sitting at a penny machine making fifty cents spins or perhaps $3 max spins. Blackhole can't imagine anyone plays differently than his broke ass does.

For me it's not unusual to play as High as $200 per spin (trying to get through must-hits as fast as possible).

And at $200 per spin JACKPOTS are not difficult to come by.

Winning $1200 on a $200 spin is equivalent to winning $6 on a $1 spin.

If Blackhole could open his mind he might stop looking like such a jackass

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I'm certain Blackhole not only doesn't comprehend AP moves (hence his disbelief) but doesn't even comprehend what is possible with just regular gambling

Take for instance his disbelief that I won nearly $250,000 in JACKPOTS in 2019. At first I thought this was curious until I remembered that most people play low denim slots.

Blackhole is probably imagining I am sitting at a penny machine making fifty cents spins or perhaps $3 max spins. Blackhole can't imagine anyone plays differently than his broke ass does.

For me it's not unusual to play as High as $200 per spin (trying to get through must-hits as fast as possible).

And at $200 per spin JACKPOTS are not difficult to come by.

Winning $1200 on a $200 spin is equivalent to winning $6 on a $1 spin.

If Blackhole could open his mind he might stop looking like such a jackass

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Better than confirming your a jackass everytime you post. :)

Why does it matter if people believe you? Just shut up and take your family to Disney with your winnings.

The world is full of idiots and they are all necessary. Even your dumbass I guess. If nothing else you make a good contrarian indicator..... Peace ✌️

That former mayor of San Diego that lost her fortune then embezzled, had collected over 1 billion dollars in W2G's by the time they caught up with her. The don't mean that you won.

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That former mayor of San Diego that lost her fortune then embezzled, had collected over 1 billion dollars in W2G's by the time they caught up with her. The don't mean that you won.

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Absolutely agree.

Blackhole originally stated I don't claim JACKPOTS because I am avoiding having my welfare and state handouts put in jeopardy. I was just pointing out I do claim them (I don't collect state handouts)

I don't know why Blackhole imagines AP's collect welfare benefits. I suspect he does and it makes him feel better there are other welfare addicts like himself

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That former mayor of San Diego that lost her fortune then embezzled, had collected over 1 billion dollars in W2G's by the time they caught up with her. The don't mean that you won.

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That is insane. Her husband was also the founder of Jack in the Box. They also removed a tumor from her brain. I wonder if that was possibly the reason for her apparent total lack of self-control.

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That former mayor of San Diego that lost her fortune then embezzled, had collected over 1 billion dollars in W2G's by the time they caught up with her. The don't mean that you won.

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That is insane. Her husband was also the founder of Jack in the Box. They also removed a tumor from her brain. I wonder if that was possibly the reason for her apparent total lack of self-control.

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When is the last time anyone went to jack in the box?

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That former mayor of San Diego that lost her fortune then embezzled, had collected over 1 billion dollars in W2G's by the time they caught up with her. The don't mean that you won.

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That is insane. Her husband was also the founder of Jack in the Box. They also removed a tumor from her brain. I wonder if that was possibly the reason for her apparent total lack of self-control.

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When is the last time anyone went to jack in the box?

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Is this the setup for a joke?

It happened in like 2012 and I was just saying that she didn't get all her money from embezzling. No telling how much she got from her husband's fortune. I rarely go to fastfood places but when I do it is typically whatever it around. Actually I used to stop by JIB on way home after poker because they're open 24 hours but realized they are always out of the healthier stuff I wanted so I quit trying.

Their pink slime tacos are 2nd to none and after a good food poisoning incident they may mark em down to 3 for $1. For an AP - a penny saved is a penny earned.

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That is insane. Her husband was also the founder of Jack in the Box. They also removed a tumor from her brain. I wonder if that was possibly the reason for her apparent total lack of self-control.

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When is the last time anyone went to jack in the box?

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Is this the setup for a joke?

It happened in like 2012 and I was just saying that she didn't get all her money from embezzling. No telling how much she got from her husband's fortune. I rarely go to fastfood places but when I do it is typically whatever it around. Actually I used to stop by JIB on way home after poker because they're open 24 hours but realized they are always out of the healthier stuff I wanted so I quit trying.

Their pink slime tacos are 2nd to none and after a good food poisoning incident they may mark em down to 3 for $1. For an AP - a penny saved is a penny earned.

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No, just curious. Last time I went to a jack in the box was years ago and it was awful. Several of them closed recently near me.

There's so many $400-$600 a day grind spots out there. Even the AP's are clueless.