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Voting has already started in a few states. I have already voted by mail, and I will call my city clerk tomorrow to make sure she got my ballot. Never know what kind of a fast one Trump might try to pull.
I'm especially interested in how Tasha is going to vote.
Midwest Player, I am really impressed with the "vote now" tab you have provided - enabling a person to cast their vote for the 2020 US presidential election directly from VCT is fantastic (though I don't like that the person must make their vote public, it is a fair trade off for being able to vote immediately and through VCT and to see how the American populace has voted in this important election):Quote:
Originally Posted by Midwest Player
If you can't figure out which way the few participants on this forum are voting, you're as stupid as a Joe Biden campaign organizer. And anyone who claims to be "especially interested" in how a totally useless airhead and menstrual mouth like Tasha is voting is a true moron.
Wise up.
This is the ONLY Election where I don't want really want ANY of The Main Candidates. That has NEVER happened before. Joe Biden seriously gives me the creeps, I find him creepy, unsettling, and I just don't trust him. And I am still am not 100 percent okay with Trump. But I trust Trump more than I trust Biden. Trump beat the odds and is STILL President despite Society claiming he'd be Impeached within the first year. Besides, under Trump's Presidency, the Economy was extremely good until The Coronavirus suddenly damaged the Economy. This is a historical Election for me as this is the FIRST time I want a Republican over a Democrat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSr-VWc_7WQQuote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kLMYW8jFPHgQuote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Graham is in danger of getting beat. The Dems have sent a lot of money into South Carolina to beat him and the democrat is now polling even with him. So Graham does some sucking up to China Joe Biden but the dems don't give a rats ass. They want him out of the senate.Quote:
Originally Posted by slingshothttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kLMYW8jFPHgQuote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
If Biden wins the first order of business will be to impeach him for Biden/China collusion. The Chi-Comm's are actively meddling in the election for Joe. And the Chi-Comms censored Pence's comments about them in the debate.
This is Barney
I am too old to vote but my friend the LID (a professional craps player) early voted before he set out to Blackhawk last week. When he gets back he plans to vote in person also because he is a good friend of the Trump and the Stormy Daniel's personage
Even though we know your voting for Biden, every vote counts ROB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Sling, you allow yourself to be feeling like just another "victim" just as creepy Joe wants everyone to feel about him. Read up on the events leading up to that accident which killed his wife and likely useless-as-Hunter son Beau, and it'll give you perspective into the phony, plagiarism-laced and corrupt life of Joe Biden. Then maybe you wouldn't be so blinded by that old man without a clue.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2bkDykGhM8cQuote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I want to thank all for getting me to research- I was always "republican" because that was how I was raised-and turns out back in those days not too bad a choice. One such example is the 401k issue. Found a research article that went back to the 1920's and was amazed. Every president had ups and downs with the market and anyone who says they can predict how a president affects their 401ks just don't know what they're talking about. Key example: when Obama was elected the financial world predicted the worst on the market- the opposite happened. Over and out.
He didn’t get the name slingshit for nothing
Why would someone want to vote early?Quote:
Originally Posted by Midwest Player
Why would anyone not want to vote early? My ballot arrived around Oct 1st or 2nd. My wife dropped them in the mail box around 2:00 p.m on Tuesday Oct 6th. I called the city clerk on Friday to see if they got them. They actually got them on Wed Oct 7th so only one day for delivery.Quote:
Originally Posted by quahaug
In Michigan anyone can vote by absentee ballot. No reason needed, and this was decided by the voters not the lawmakers. You still have to request a ballot, but they sent out application forms months ago. Then you get a ballot in the mail with a postage paid return envelope.
Our good Governor Whitmer has seen that all is going very well with the election. As you know, she was aware of the planned kidnapping plot against her for months, but she kept her cool. If Mickeycrimm knew there was a kidnapping plot against him he would be shitting his pants every day.
Oh, by the way, my ballot had zero marks for any GOP name.
Wait you called the city clerk to see if they got your ballots? Do you live in a “city” of 14 people or something?
I'm not sure there are 14 people in the whole region he lives in.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcap
Does Michigan allow in person voting as well? I would never think about voting early myself unless I was going to be out of town on election day. By the way, answering a question with a question is not an answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Midwest PlayerWhy would anyone not want to vote early? My ballot arrived around Oct 1st or 2nd. My wife dropped them in the mail box around 2:00 p.m on Tuesday Oct 6th. I called the city clerk on Friday to see if they got them. They actually got them on Wed Oct 7th so only one day for delivery.Quote:
Originally Posted by quahaug
In Michigan anyone can vote by absentee ballot. No reason needed, and this was decided by the voters not the lawmakers. You still have to request a ballot, but they sent out application forms months ago. Then you get a ballot in the mail with a postage paid return envelope.
Our good Governor Whitmer has seen that all is going very well with the election. As you know, she was aware of the planned kidnapping plot against her for months, but she kept her cool. If Mickeycrimm knew there was a kidnapping plot against him he would be shitting his pants every day.
Oh, by the way, my ballot had zero marks for any GOP name.
The main reason I wouldn't want to vote early is something could change in between the time I vote and election day that would make me reconsider my selections.
Legitimate question. Does anyone check if early voters are still alive on Election Day? And do they have to be if they voted early or is the vote counted since they were alive when they voted?
Hey, that's right I hadn't ever thought of that angle but I'm pretty sure it does count. At least in Chicago!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Generally, most states go with the belief that if an individual places an early ballot, it is no different that the actual voting in a booth on Election Day. If you are alive when you placed the vote, the vote counts. Certain states will dismiss the advanced vote, upon death, but death must be presented by the end of Election Day, not done after the fact.
Short answer is that every vote will count.
If your on the fence, that makes sense, if it's clear cut, like it is for many people, then it's a non factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by quahaug
By the way I miss Alan's stupidity also.Quote:
Originally Posted by OzzyIf your on the fence, that makes sense, if it's clear cut, like it is for many people, then it's a non factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by quahaug
Profoundly. But seriously folks, I'm talking state and local elections where something might come out on a personal or policy basis that you didn't know about. As far as federal election for potus goes if you're on the fence at this point your right to vote should be rescindedQuote:
Originally Posted by OzzyBy the way I miss Alan's stupidity also.Quote:
Originally Posted by OzzyIf your on the fence, that makes sense, if it's clear cut, like it is for many people, then it's a non factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by quahaug
I think the dead people votes should be disqualified because dead people always vote Democrat.
Hey Monet I assume you attended the Biden car rallies in Vegas. How hugely were the crowds of cars? You were probably the only one there in a pickup though. Didn't hear that many beeps on the U-tube vids.
This has happened to me this year. I voted by mail in the Michigan primary this year as soon as I got my ballot for Pete Buttigieg. However, just before the Michigan primary he dropped out of the race for President so my ballot was in effect worthless.Quote:
Originally Posted by quahaug
Now MI has a remedy for this. You can change your vote, but I didn't bother to jump though the hoops to do this.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/pol...on/4881820002/
Tasha, oh Tasha, I thought I convinced you what a piece of shit Trump is. Folks like Mickeycrimm and Rob Singer are so hard core that they will follow Trump right to hell. It is a waste of time to try to undo their brainwashing. However, I feel there is still hope for you. You can still leave the dark side and make America great for regular folks again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
More stupidity. Because of Trump, our retirement account has far more value today than it did when we were finally did of that lying racist Obama--and we've withdrawn bunches during that time while adding nothing. It's just simple common sense, and math. And mickey....he's surrounded by that clean Montana air, which makes him a very clear thinker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Midwest PlayerTasha, oh Tasha, I thought I convinced you what a piece of shit Trump is. Folks like Mickeycrimm and Rob Singer are so hard core that they will follow Trump right to hell. It is a waste of time to try to undo their brainwashing. However, I feel there is still hope for you. You can still leave the dark side and make America great for regular folks again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
Those 3 million people (with many more to follow) who've moved out of NY, Illinois and California, and into Texas, Florida and Tennessee----they're doing it to go from Hell to Heaven. IE, Trumpville.
Wise up.
And sling: you got your message mixed up. The markets were predicted to RISE when Obama won, and tank quickly if Trump won. Read up on history to see which one had the most effect.
Rob mentioned two items that hit close to home. First, my wife is planning to stay in Florida for at least six months in the coming year to claim Florida residency. Secondly, last week she changed her 401K portfolio to a 60/40 bond/stock mix due to her age and the possible changes in our government. My wife and I plan to rely on our 401K in the next ten years as much as anyone on this forum.
Now, as to the belief that certain political parties have better strategies to influence the market, Lee Corso said it best, "Not so fast, my friend.".
I can honestly state I had no idea if either political party has a better relationship with the market. I spent some time this morning plugging numbers into a spreadsheet and did some old fashioned math. I used the Dow Jones market numbers for each President from the time of their inauguration until now (technically February 1st through August 31st). If a President has two numbers, it is because he had two terms. The numbers represent an annualized yearly return. Here is what I found:
Reagan: 2.2% / 10.6%
Bush: 6.3%
Clinton: 13.0% / 11.6%
Bush: -1.7% / -4.1%
Obama: 13.9% / 7.2%
Trump: 7.7%
For those that believe that the S&P 500 is a better indicator than the Dow Jones over the last 12 years, the results are similar:
Obama: 14.5% / 9.7%
Trump: 9.8%
I want to emphasize that I did not pull these numbers from an article. I did the math myself, so I could be wrong. We all understand that Bush (the younger) had to deal with 9/11 in his first term and the eventual nasty market correction in 2008. Trump had to deal with the pandemic, although his number is very strong. There is a saying ,that, actions are stronger than words. My wife agrees with Rob on two points. Her actions support this. Nevertheless, I will respectively disagree on how a Trump or Biden administration may or will affect the market. I believe that the republican party will strategize to improve the economy or market, but my 401K did not get destroyed by the democrats during their years.
Deech, anybody who's taken a business or political class in the last 20 years should know what you just posted.
There is an Old Wise Jungle saying, "The one percent affects the politicians. The politicians don't affect the one percent."
While you did the findings yourself, all the research I did agrees with your findings. As a matter of fact, many were shocked at Obama's results and prior to his election were expecting the worst.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deech
If Biden wins get ready for a big lurch to the left in this country. And that's is going to have a big effect on 401K's. Pelosi's move on being able to remove a sitting president is not about Trump. It's about Biden. If he gets in the dems will all of a sudden start to have serious issues about Biden's mental health. All constructed to move Kamala into the presidency.
Socialism and 401K's don't mix well.
I don't even know how to respond.Quote:
Originally Posted by quahaug
I'm just glad you are posting again and you mentioned me.
I understand that we can insult each other to the hilt on this site but do you have to call me a Biden Supporter??
That's just mean.
Plumb, Mad-Dog Mean.
Please join the Movie Reco Discussion Thread as that's mostly my interest these days.
I put this up on youtube because its a great movie and I watch it all the time.
Pretty good quote that goes along with my long running slant eyed ramblings.
The upload is private and copyrighted but it seems to be working?
I recorded it by hand with my cell phone so its a little off center.
Can you see it?
Have you seen this movie?
Tableplay... have you seen this movie??
Edit: Think I need to make it public.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1OX...ature=youtu.be
This is a note to both Red and Sling. I was neutral on Obama until he went tone deaf late in his second term regarding the rash of cop killings. Some statement should have been made denouncing these actions. That being said, I also need to state that, as an Independent I was fine with a unique change in our officials four years ago. That experiment is now over.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
As stated earlier, I love data. I love data more when it does not come enhanced in an article. Look at the data yourself and think. One can make incorrect assumptions, but that is a part of life. Everyone has certain data point that are critical (or interesting to them). Anyone can alter a President's performance if you find the proper data. That is the beauty of life. Get the information to support your side of the argument.
After reading some of the posts yesterday, I thought I would review the last two administrations on three things; stock market, budget deficit, and unemployment. Again, I am already on record as to not being a fan of either gentlemen.
We have already discussed the stock market (401K). One thing to note in Trump's favor. The stock market (Dow Jones) was up 9.6% before COVID struck. That number is still below Obama's two term average (using 3 1/2 years data for each term), but it is close. The belief that Trump gave us more 401K earnings is not true (if you solely go by DJ or S&P 500 data). Secondly, how did the inherited budget deficit alter over the four years? Well, Obama inherited a very nasty number due to the 2008 stock market crash. He steadily lowered it until his final two years. He went from $1,413 billion to $585. Trump increased his deficit in his first three years and has now lowered it for his final year. He went from $665 to $966. Lastly, I always look at unemployment. Remarkably, we have a great effort since October 2009. The number had steadily decreased over 11 years. Obama gave Trump a great trend. It continued. I refuse to muddy the waters with COVID.
So, in comparing both administrations, with only these three data points, the results are close when removing the pandemic. Obama gets a slight edge on the stock market, Trump gets a slight edge on unemployment (almost a push), and Obama gets the huge edge on budget deficit (remember he inherited a monster). I have no idea why I am writing this. I guess I wanted to prove to myself that Trump took over with this country in a better state than many others believe.
OK- so this agrees with my findings that a presidential choice can't be used to predict the stock market. So now we come to character. A lying bully whose only agenda is to make Obama look bad and to take healthcare and social security from the American people, and in the process turn us against each other. Want Biden to tell about court packing? Then tell us your healthcare plan you've been talking about for 31/2 years. His group-Minuchin, McConnell, Meadows,- are pawns he uses to play the American people. "Go high" on the stimulus, he tweets, knowing these three will fall within Trumps predetermined range. Now the attack, started by Brit Hume is that Biden is senile-which the debate dispelled IMHO. But Biden and I BOTH passed the senility test-PERSON,MAN,WOMAN,PICTURE,TV!Quote:
Originally Posted by DeechThis is a note to both Red and Sling. I was neutral on Obama until he went tone deaf late in his second term regarding the rash of cop killings. Some statement should have been made denouncing these actions. That being said, I also need to state that, as an Independent I was fine with a unique change in our officials four years ago. That experiment is now over.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
As stated earlier, I love data. I love data more when it does not come enhanced in an article. Look at the data yourself and think. One can make incorrect assumptions, but that is a part of life. Everyone has certain data point that are critical (or interesting to them). Anyone can alter a President's performance if you find the proper data. That is the beauty of life. Get the information to support your side of the argument.
After reading some of the posts yesterday, I thought I would review the last two administrations on three things; stock market, budget deficit, and unemployment. Again, I am already on record as to not being a fan of either gentlemen.
We have already discussed the stock market (401K). One thing to note in Trump's favor. The stock market (Dow Jones) was up 9.6% before COVID struck. That number is still below Obama's two term average (using 3 1/2 years data for each term), but it is close. The belief that Trump gave us more 401K earnings is not true (if you solely go by DJ or S&P 500 data). Secondly, how did the inherited budget deficit alter over the four years? Well, Obama inherited a very nasty number due to the 2008 stock market crash. He steadily lowered it until his final two years. He went from $1,413 billion to $585. Trump increased his deficit in his first three years and has now lowered it for his final year. He went from $665 to $966. Lastly, I always look at unemployment. Remarkably, we have a great effort since October 2009. The number had steadily decreased over 11 years. Obama gave Trump a great trend. It continued. I refuse to muddy the waters with COVID.
So, in comparing both administrations, with only these three data points, the results are close when removing the pandemic. Obama gets a slight edge on the stock market, Trump gets a slight edge on unemployment (almost a push), and Obama gets the huge edge on budget deficit (remember he inherited a monster). I have no idea why I am writing this. I guess I wanted to prove to myself that Trump took over with this country in a better state than many others believe.
Venezuela had one of the best performing stock markets in history.. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Zimbabwe too....GOAT
It doesn't matter who gets elected. We're gonna get the inevitable outcome by design, no matter what.
Exactly... Nobody gets out alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
Mozart died at 35.
Einstein made it to 76.
etc etc etc...
Today with the Chinese Flu, people think they are supposed to live forever lol lol lol
Obama enjoyed a federal funds interest rate of 0%. Repeat zero percent. Once again, no interest. The Fed didn't give Trump the same sweetheart deal. Do you figure they are teaching that in business or political class? Deech's numbers don't tell the whole story.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Well, there are not many large cities in the U.P., but let me tell you it took less than 30 seconds for her to look up my information.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcap
If you live in Michigan and vote by absentee ballot you can look online to see if your ballot has been received. Size does not matter. I also checked on mine this way. All the information for me was out there and here is the link. https://mvic.sos.state.mi.us/ Then click on did my ballot arrive.
I assume other states also have tracking procedures. Vote early and then check. Trump is just trying to discourage folks from voting because he knows he is in deep shit.
Never heard of anyone being too old to vote. I put "Not Allowed to Vote" in the poll thinking a few here might be too young to vote or a few might of lost their right to vote by committing a felony. I won't name any names, but some Trumptards are really despicable people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney
Hey, Monet. Just because you attended doesn't mean you support the creep. I was just curious because the you tube vids don't show the massive number of Biden beta cars in attendance. I think it would be cool to be the alpha male towering over all the cucks in my bad ass pickup.
Hi Monet, I did see it, but it was so long ago that I think I would have to re-see it to jog the memory. Yesterday, on the free over-the-air Comet channel they ran a Night Gallery marathon (they have a regular slot for it where they show one or two episodes, but this was a special binge session) because Halloween is this month. Fuck this series was scary, I remember getting totally freaked out by it when I used to watch it as a kid when it was new. Night Stalker also was really scary for kids, but less so than Night Gallery.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
Moscow Mitch:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mtPgUrVPXeI
I'm sure more folks are going to vote for Biden than is indicated by this poll. Whats wrong afraid Trump will come after you if you say you are going to vote for Biden? Thump is a has been. You won't have to worry about him anymore after Nov 3rd.
Shout out to all the guys that are too cool to vote in the poll :)
Both of the major candidates are has beens it’s fucking pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Midwest Player