Scammer Chrissy Mitchell 8% HA BJ strategy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYoYqX3TOa8

Dan and the crew over on Dan’s other forum do a great job exposing this idiot but I thought I would post this here for those who don’t visit that forum.

This scammer is now pushing such a bad BJ strategy that would make anyone laugh. Except it shows from the comments how many idiots are out there. While he is behind some of the comments, most are from people who fall for this garbage.

This would be a good pastime for KJ if he is not playing right now to help expose this guy.

Check out the thread at Dan’s if interested.

https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...nal-Gambler%94

Guys like him just prove how stupid and gullible gamblers are.

Rob needs his own YouTube channel. That would be great entertainment.

Who could argue with this strategy. Add a Marty in and you can’t lose!

Joel Osteen is no different. Only he uses religion to scam millions of stupid suckers.

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Originally Posted by The Boz

This would be a good pastime for KJ if he is not playing right now to help expose this guy.

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There is like a zillion of these kinds of guys now isn't there? They don't make their money from whatever nonsensical system or strategy they promote. They make their money from viewership on the you tube channel. I don't even know how that crap works.

Before we even get into his ridiculous rules and strategy, I did a quick search just to get a little background. Free search.....I didn't even pay the $3. :rolleyes:

A couple of interesting things. Real estate records show Mr. Mitchell purchased a new home in the Aliante Section of Las Vegas in December 2019 in a gated community purchase price $400k. That certainly was unexpected. So he has some money. BUT, just glancing at his blackjack rules and strategy which looks to be a progressive system....that is why there is no splitting or doubling, any money this gentleman has didn't come from blackjack advantage play....at least not what he is describing.

Second interesting thing is he is listed as an owner or co owners of C and H automotive. I am guessing he is the "C" of C & H. But I don't see a C &H automotive listed in Las Vegas (there is one in North Carolina). My guess is maybe some sort of side business without a permanent business address. I am thinking some sort of buying and re-selling vehicles. Sort of a flipping cars version of "flipping houses". :confused: Just a guess.

Still doesn't explain where the money for the recent real estate purchase came from, but, it sure as hell wasn't from blackjack play. Maybe he makes that kind of money from these youtube channel and videos. Like I said, I don't know how that works.

One final thing I found interesting and that is that Dan Druff discovered and posted that this person used to be in male Porn back in 2010. No, Boz, that doesn't interest me. But it is interesting that Druff knew that. ;)

add on: oh yeah, one more thing. This guy is flashing 10, count em, 10 Benjamin's. That is suppose to be impressive? ;) Gotta love these guys.

Ok, Boz, I watched a few minutes of the video. FUCK YOU BOZ, for making me do that. Somebody owes me those minutes back. :cool:

So I don't have to guess that it is a progressive (martingale system). Half way through he tells you that it is. You bet $25, then $50, then $100, then $200, then $400.

That is why he only plays double deck. Double deck has 6, 7 rounds before the shuffle depending on number of players and Christopher has decided that he can't lose 6 or 7 rounds in a row. Anybody that thinks that hasn't played much blackjack, because it happens all the time.

Nothing much more to say, these guys continue to want to rewrite history AND MATH, thinking that a "marty" or any progressive wagering can overcome -EV. Ridiculous! And blackjack is actually about the worst application of a marty, because a player doesn't win anywhere close to 50% of hands. A good player playing a good basic strategy wins 42%. And if you start doing the crap Christopher says, standing on 14 and above, no doubling, no splitting, that percentage is likely down in the 30's. Blackjack is just a horrible game for a marty.

Anyway, continue on with you politics, and general sewer discussions.

Predictable. Boz asks for an opinion about the guy's goofy BJ strategy because kew tries so hard to be the forum poster boy expert on the game, and we instead get just another jealous rant about someone who is far more successful in life than him who actually made/makes money from something called a JOB.

Must be from the all the stress of having to wait for another stimulus check.

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Predictable. Boz asks for an opinion about the guy's goofy BJ strategy because kew tries so hard to be the forum poster boy expert on the game, and we instead get just another jealous rant about someone who is far more successful in life than him who actually made/makes money from something called a JOB.

Must be from the all the stress of having to wait for another stimulus check.

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As usual Rob Chiming in when he hasn't a clue what he is talking about.

If there is another stimulus check right now, I wouldn't qualify. I did receive a check earlier this year back in March because that was based on my 2018 income, which was a bit below my average and allowed me to qualify. A second check now would be based on 2019, which was significantly better for me and I wouldn't qualify. Now if the second check gets pushed back past the first of the year or there is a third check next spring based on 2020 taxes, I will qualify and will be sure to do my taxes early so I do qualify. And I don't feel the slightest bit guilty about it.

Now as for Christopher Mitchell having a JOB. Nowhere does it say that. Since you seem to want to support him, when you know nothing of this situation, please tell us all what his job is? He lists himself as an entrepreneur and a "principal" in a company that doesn't seem to legally exist. What we do know is that he makes money from his youtube videos and previously made money from gay porn. Are these the JOBS and income sources you are rushing to endorse?

The youtube thing, as I have stated, I have no idea how that works. I don't begrudge anyone making money legally. I am not thrilled if they are pushing disinformation or mis-information that may harm others to do so, which appears to be the case here, but I am not going to make it a crusade.

I am not a expert at blackjack....never claimed to be. Believe it or not I like to think I am still a student and learning the game. Not how to play the game, but how to successfully win at the game. I learn from new experiences each and every year, including this very "trying" year.

But let me leave you with 2 thoughts.

1.) progressive wagering cannot turn a losing (-EV) game into a winning (+EV).....period!!! Can't do it in blackjack as Christopher is proposing. Can't do it with your claims in video poker! It is a mathematical impossibility.

and 2.) Blackjack is about the worst game to even try a Martingale or any progression system because the player does not win anywhere close to 50% of outcomes. It is 42% for a player playing an optimal, but still losing basic strategy. And what Christopher Mitchell is describing is far from optimal. As he describes it, he is probably playing at a 10% or more disadvantage. Progressive wagering can't overcome a 1/2 percent disadvantage (blackjack basic strategy or common video poker payouts), it sure as hell can't overcome 10% disadvantage. Christopher's "special plays", just like your "special plays" don't change the math.....Progressive wagering cannot overcome -EV! Math Rob....MATH!

jbjb said you should have a youtube channel. He is right, you would fit right in with these guys. What you do is exactly the same thing. Might as well get paid for your ridiculous and impossible claims. Go for it Rob.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Predictable. Boz asks for an opinion about the guy's goofy BJ strategy because kew tries so hard to be the forum poster boy expert on the game, and we instead get just another jealous rant about someone who is far more successful in life than him who actually made/makes money from something called a JOB.

Must be from the all the stress of having to wait for another stimulus check.

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As usual Rob Chiming in when he hasn't a clue what he is talking about.

If there is another stimulus check right now, I wouldn't qualify. I did receive a check earlier this year back in March because that was based on my 2018 income, which was a bit below my average and allowed me to qualify. A second check now would be based on 2019, which was significantly better for me and I wouldn't qualify. Now if the second check gets pushed back past the first of the year or there is a third check next spring based on 2020 taxes, I will qualify and will be sure to do my taxes early so I do qualify. And I don't feel the slightest bit guilty about it.

Now as for Christopher Mitchell having a JOB. Nowhere does it say that. Since you seem to want to support him, when you know nothing of this situation, please tell us all what his job is? He lists himself as an entrepreneur and a "principal" in a company that doesn't seem to legally exist. What we do know is that he makes money from his youtube videos and previously made money from gay porn. Are these the JOBS and income sources you are rushing to endorse?

The youtube thing, as I have stated, I have no idea how that works. I don't begrudge anyone making money legally. I am not thrilled if they are pushing disinformation or mis-information that may harm others to do so, which appears to be the case here, but I am not going to make it a crusade.

I am not a expert at blackjack....never claimed to be. Believe it or not I like to think I am still a student and learning the game. Not how to play the game, but how to successfully win at the game. I learn from new experiences each and every year, including this very "trying" year.

But let me leave you with 2 thoughts.

1.) progressive wagering cannot turn a losing (-EV) game into a winning (+EV).....period!!! Can't do it in blackjack as Christopher is proposing. Can't do it with your claims in video poker! It is a mathematical impossibility.

and 2.) Blackjack is about the worst game to even try a Martingale or any progression system because the player does not win anywhere close to 50% of outcomes. It is 42% for a player playing an optimal, but still losing basic strategy. And what Christopher Mitchell is describing is far from optimal. As he describes it, he is probably playing at a 10% or more disadvantage. Progressive wagering can't overcome a 1/2 percent disadvantage (blackjack basic strategy or common video poker payouts), it sure as hell can't overcome 10% disadvantage. Christopher's "special plays", just like your "special plays" don't change the math.....Progressive wagering cannot overcome -EV! Math Rob....MATH!

jbjb said you should have a youtube channel. He is right, you would fit right in with these guys. What you do is exactly the same thing. Might as well get paid for your ridiculous and impossible claims. Go for it Rob.

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Kew, you're no different than any of the other anonymous cowards on forums who claim to "win every year because they're AP's" or "live in 'gated' communities"' or "have it made in the shade". You people claim anything you want while you know your constant denials and anonymity will protect you from anyone getting at least some information on any of you. But I HAVE info on you. Remember you threatened me and I had my nephew in the FBI do a background check on you and your slug family? THAT'S why you despise me so, even though you know I'm prohibited from publicly exposing any of your embarrassing details--details that were NOT obtained from unverifiable two-bit online snoop sites that some loser like you would count on as being gospel.

And therein lies why you are so addicted to forums, and why you get so unnerved whenever anybody calls you for your bullshit. In any virtual existence, fools who crave attention and desperately need relevance have no choice but to continue their ruse. Even when clowns like your useless family having to leave your sugar daddy's home and seek low income housing elsewhere.

As is ALWAYS the case with you clowns, it'll all come around and bite you in the ass, eventually. And don't come crying to me when it does.

BTW, thank you for allowing me to force you into talking about the guy's supposed winning system.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Kew, you're no different than any of the other anonymous cowards on forums who claim to "win every year because they're AP's" or "live in 'gated' communities"' or "have it made in the shade". You people claim anything you want while you know your constant denials and anonymity will protect you from anyone getting at least some information on any of you. But I HAVE info on you. Remember you threatened me and I had my nephew in the FBI do a background check on you and your slug family? THAT'S why you despise me so, even though you know I'm prohibited from publicly exposing any of your embarrassing details--details that were NOT obtained from unverifiable two-bit online snoop sites that some loser like you would count on as being gospel.

And therein lies why you are so addicted to forums, and why you get so unnerved whenever anybody calls you for your bullshit. In any virtual existence, fools who crave attention and desperately need relevance have no choice but to continue their ruse. Even when events like your useless family having to leave your sugar daddy's home and seek low income housing elsewhere.

As is ALWAYS the case with you clowns, it'll all come around and bite you in the ass, eventually. And don't come crying to me when it does.

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More lies from the king of liars. You have been claiming this for years. Rob you have nothing on me I can assure you. But you have my full permission to publicly disclose anything you think you have. More than permission...I encourage you to do so.

I mean I gotta tell ya, since you made this claim years ago, saying something about you know where I work, I have been kind of anxious to find out what kind of work I do for a living. :cool:

Kew rest assued Rob uses his writings as pure foreplay in trying to get his little dick hard so he can jack it off and get some kind of climax while he writes.

There's no other reason and no other ultimate advantage to himself.

Once a loser always a loser he's your perfect example. ROMAFL.

He believes he knows everything all the members do and he doesn't even know where they live or what their real names are or any pertinent information. Pure fallacy fueling his fantasies.

I'd be more interested in the fact if he's actually committing any federal crimes running these scams over the internet.

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I'd be more interested in the fact if he's actually committing any federal crimes running these scams over the internet.

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The problem is these fools keep sending him money. The only issue I see is if he is not reporting all the money.

It’s really no different than any handicapper selling sports picks. Of course it is a scam, but is it illegal?

That said, you bring up a good question. And is YouTube complacent in allowing these scammers to use their site to facilitate the scans.

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Kew, you're no different than any of the other anonymous cowards on forums who claim to "win every year because they're AP's" or "live in 'gated' communities"' or "have it made in the shade". You people claim anything you want while you know your constant denials and anonymity will protect you from anyone getting at least some information on any of you. But I HAVE info on you. Remember you threatened me and I had my nephew in the FBI do a background check on you and your slug family? THAT'S why you despise me so, even though you know I'm prohibited from publicly exposing any of your embarrassing details--details that were NOT obtained from unverifiable two-bit online snoop sites that some loser like you would count on as being gospel.

And therein lies why you are so addicted to forums, and why you get so unnerved whenever anybody calls you for your bullshit. In any virtual existence, fools who crave attention and desperately need relevance have no choice but to continue their ruse. Even when events like your useless family having to leave your sugar daddy's home and seek low income housing elsewhere.

As is ALWAYS the case with you clowns, it'll all come around and bite you in the ass, eventually. And don't come crying to me when it does.

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More lies from the king of liars. You have been claiming this for years. Rob you have nothing on me I can assure you. But you have my full permission to publicly disclose anything you think you have. More than permission...I encourage you to do so.

I mean I gotta tell ya, since you made this claim years ago, saying something about you know where I work, I have been kind of anxious to find out what kind of work I do for a living. :cool:

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I like how he went from working at the IRS to working at the FBI. Next he'll be driving a Newell. :)

Speaking of Newell, Nov is around the corner, when is the big day in Gilbert Rob ?

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I'd be more interested in the fact if he's actually committing any federal crimes running these scams over the internet.

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The problem is these fools keep sending him money. The only issue I see is if he is not reporting all the money.

It’s really no different than any handicapper selling sports picks. Of course it is a scam, but is it illegal?

That said, you bring up a good question. And is YouTube complacent in allowing these scammers to use their site to facilitate the scans.

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Search "Christopher Mitchell Author" and see all of the other stuff he's been involved with. He seems to be a jack of all trades Tony Robbins type.

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I'd be more interested in the fact if he's actually committing any federal crimes running these scams over the internet.

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The problem is these fools keep sending him money. The only issue I see is if he is not reporting all the money.

It’s really no different than any handicapper selling sports picks. Of course it is a scam, but is it illegal?

That said, you bring up a good question. And is YouTube complacent in allowing these scammers to use their site to facilitate the scans.

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Unfortunately, what Youtube is complacent about and what it isn't is quite the moving target as you know.

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I'd be more interested in the fact if he's actually committing any federal crimes running these scams over the internet.

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The problem is these fools keep sending him money. The only issue I see is if he is not reporting all the money.

It’s really no different than any handicapper selling sports picks. Of course it is a scam, but is it illegal?

That said, you bring up a good question. And is YouTube complacent in allowing these scammers to use their site to facilitate the scans.

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Unfortunately, what Youtube is complacent about and what it isn't is quite the moving target as you know.

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Reminds me of when Logan Paul filmed a dead body in a Suicide Forest. And LAUGHED.... Youtube DIDN'T pull that disturbing video themselves... Logan was forced to pull tuat disturbing video himself after his Viewers really sunk their claws into him very hard and dragged and ragged on him... Honestly, YouTube should have pulled that disturbing video down themselves... Logan later apologized for disturbing video xlaimed he LAUGHED because he was scared and nervous because he had never seen a suicide before but it seemed to me that he was just trying to appease his viewers who were mad at him for that disturbing video.

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The problem is these fools keep sending him money. The only issue I see is if he is not reporting all the money.

It’s really no different than any handicapper selling sports picks. Of course it is a scam, but is it illegal?

That said, you bring up a good question. And is YouTube complacent in allowing these scammers to use their site to facilitate the scans.

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Unfortunately, what Youtube is complacent about and what it isn't is quite the moving target as you know.

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Reminds me of when Logan Paul filmed a dead body in a Suicide Forest. And LAUGHED.... Youtube DIDN'T pull that disturbing video themselves... Logan was forced to pull tuat disturbing video himself after his Viewers really sunk their claws into him very hard and dragged and ragged on him... Honestly, YouTube should have pulled that disturbing video down themselves... Logan later apologized for disturbing video xlaimed he LAUGHED because he was scared and nervous because he had never seen a suicide before but it seemed to me that he was just trying to appease his viewers who were mad at him for that disturbing video.

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Good example. There are countless examples which show their negative bias towards non-liberals. Bitchute and Brandnewtube are thankfully much more tolerant and uploaded videos to these two sites seem to be welcome from liberals and non-liberals alike.

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Who could argue with this strategy. Add a Marty in and you can’t lose!

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Boz, I have a question for you. It is really a question for absentee owner Dan Druff, but in his continuing absence I will ask you, since you seem to be following along with this story on Druff's poker forum.

So this guy Christopher Mitchell and our own Rob Singer seem very similar claiming to defy mathematics using progressive wagering for "magical" wins that well like I said, defy math. They even both have "special plays", which are sub-optimal plays that while increasing negative expectation (as non-optimal plays do) somehow in their case makes everything click. As if combining several -EV or losing strategies makes a +EV or winning strategy. ;)

Ok, so the question is, on Druff's Poker forum, he is one of the leading critics of this Mitchell guy. Critical of his claims that defy math, which is fine. I expect that from someone who believes and understands in the math. But it has been a little more than that. Dan Druff has spent time digging dirt on this Mitchel fellow, coming up with his past Gay Porn career. Druff has gone as far as attack the guys wife and hoping for or proposing a divorce.

Like I said, the claim appears to be on the same scope and level as Rob Singers claims here, of which Dan Druff has had very little to say. Occasionally a very mild comment by Druff, but not the involvement of trying to bring down this Mitchell guy. Here Druff has more or less sat back and allowed Singer the platform, in the name of free speech. Why the difference? Is there some personal connection or vendetta between the two?

Dan will afford Mitchell the same protections as soon as he scrambles down to the local RV dealer and snaps a few pics in a Newell. :)

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Originally Posted by The Boz

Who could argue with this strategy. Add a Marty in and you can’t lose!

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Boz, I have a question for you. It is really a question for absentee owner Dan Druff, but in his continuing absence I will ask you, since you seem to be following along with this story on Druff's poker forum.

So this guy Christopher Mitchell and our own Rob Singer seem very similar claiming to defy mathematics using progressive wagering for "magical" wins that well like I said, defy math. They even both have "special plays", which are sub-optimal plays that while increasing negative expectation (as non-optimal plays do) somehow in their case makes everything click. As if combining several -EV or losing strategies makes a +EV or winning strategy. ;)

Ok, so the question is, on Druff's Poker forum, he is one of the leading critics of this Mitchell guy. Critical of his claims that defy math, which is fine. I expect that from someone who believes and understands in the math. But it has been a little more than that. Dan Druff has spent time digging dirt on this Mitchel fellow, coming up with his past Gay Porn career. Druff has gone as far as attack the guys wife and hoping for or proposing a divorce.

Like I said, the claim appears to be on the same scope and level as Rob Singers claims here, of which Dan Druff has had very little to say. Occasionally a very mild comment by Druff, but not the involvement of trying to bring down this Mitchell guy. Here Druff has more or less sat back and allowed Singer the platform, in the name of free speech. Why the difference? Is there some personal connection or vendetta between the two?

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My history posting here from the start was calling Rob out on his claims of special plays and consistently beating VP year after year using them. As you said, the math doesn’t lie and no one can consistently beat a negative game straight up without other factors such as rebates, FP etc. I don’t think there are many on these forums who disagree with that other than the crazies that usually don’t last long and are selling something. And most of them are Baccarat players with crazy claims of systems, monkeys and reading the shoe.

As for Rob I believe he later claimed to have made up much of his former stories to cover for his claims of exploiting the Double Up bug. There has been much debate about that claim and only Rob knows for sure. But that is not a anti math claim. We know it was done by some.

As for Dan, no clue why he does what he does here. On his poker forum, which is his livelihood and his passion, he goes after scammers all the time. His radio show spends most of its time on things that hurt poker players. There is a recent good example of a scammer ripping off players in a poker tournament by short paying winners in silver. He does incredible work for the poker community in this regard. My personal guess is he probably regrets buying this forum, but that’s only a guess.

I personally see Mitchell as a clown and I think others over there have exposed him but I wonder if it matters. The people who send him money and follow him don’t believe in math. They are dreamers and while I hate to see people ripped off, you can’t protect people from themselves having a lack of common sense.

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Who could argue with this strategy. Add a Marty in and you can’t lose!

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Boz, I have a question for you. It is really a question for absentee owner Dan Druff, but in his continuing absence I will ask you, since you seem to be following along with this story on Druff's poker forum.

So this guy Christopher Mitchell and our own Rob Singer seem very similar claiming to defy mathematics using progressive wagering for "magical" wins that well like I said, defy math. They even both have "special plays", which are sub-optimal plays that while increasing negative expectation (as non-optimal plays do) somehow in their case makes everything click. As if combining several -EV or losing strategies makes a +EV or winning strategy. ;)

Ok, so the question is, on Druff's Poker forum, he is one of the leading critics of this Mitchell guy. Critical of his claims that defy math, which is fine. I expect that from someone who believes and understands in the math. But it has been a little more than that. Dan Druff has spent time digging dirt on this Mitchel fellow, coming up with his past Gay Porn career. Druff has gone as far as attack the guys wife and hoping for or proposing a divorce.

Like I said, the claim appears to be on the same scope and level as Rob Singers claims here, of which Dan Druff has had very little to say. Occasionally a very mild comment by Druff, but not the involvement of trying to bring down this Mitchell guy. Here Druff has more or less sat back and allowed Singer the platform, in the name of free speech. Why the difference? Is there some personal connection or vendetta between the two?

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Hey, KJochio. Mike's forum, Mike's rules, right? Well guess what, Dan's forum, Dan's rules. You don't like it don't fucking post here. Just go the fuck away.

You need to get your head out of your ass for a change. Singer is not on the internet selling pie in the sky for hundreds of dollars a pop. Nothing even close. Sure, he had a couple books a couple of decades ago that sold for chump change.
What you can't get though your thick head is Singer believes in his system. Whether it works or not is irrelevant. He believes it works. And he's not selling it for anything. YOU GOT THAT????? HE AIN'T SELLING IT FOR ANYTHING!!!!

You are one sad pathetic figure. Go back to WoV and suck Mike's dick.

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Kew, you're no different than any of the other anonymous cowards on forums who claim to "win every year because they're AP's" or "live in 'gated' communities"' or "have it made in the shade". You people claim anything you want while you know your constant denials and anonymity will protect you from anyone getting at least some information on any of you. But I HAVE info on you. Remember you threatened me and I had my nephew in the FBI do a background check on you and your slug family? THAT'S why you despise me so, even though you know I'm prohibited from publicly exposing any of your embarrassing details--details that were NOT obtained from unverifiable two-bit online snoop sites that some loser like you would count on as being gospel.

And therein lies why you are so addicted to forums, and why you get so unnerved whenever anybody calls you for your bullshit. In any virtual existence, fools who crave attention and desperately need relevance have no choice but to continue their ruse. Even when events like your useless family having to leave your sugar daddy's home and seek low income housing elsewhere.

As is ALWAYS the case with you clowns, it'll all come around and bite you in the ass, eventually. And don't come crying to me when it does.

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More lies from the king of liars. You have been claiming this for years. Rob you have nothing on me I can assure you. But you have my full permission to publicly disclose anything you think you have. More than permission...I encourage you to do so.

I mean I gotta tell ya, since you made this claim years ago, saying something about you know where I work, I have been kind of anxious to find out what kind of work I do for a living. :cool:

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I like how he went from working at the IRS to working at the FBI. Next he'll be driving a Newell. :)

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His son-in-law works for the IRS, not his nephew.

I stand corrected.....

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Originally Posted by The Boz

Who could argue with this strategy. Add a Marty in and you can’t lose!

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Boz, I have a question for you. It is really a question for absentee owner Dan Druff, but in his continuing absence I will ask you, since you seem to be following along with this story on Druff's poker forum.

So this guy Christopher Mitchell and our own Rob Singer seem very similar claiming to defy mathematics using progressive wagering for "magical" wins that well like I said, defy math. They even both have "special plays", which are sub-optimal plays that while increasing negative expectation (as non-optimal plays do) somehow in their case makes everything click. As if combining several -EV or losing strategies makes a +EV or winning strategy. ;)

Ok, so the question is, on Druff's Poker forum, he is one of the leading critics of this Mitchell guy. Critical of his claims that defy math, which is fine. I expect that from someone who believes and understands in the math. But it has been a little more than that. Dan Druff has spent time digging dirt on this Mitchel fellow, coming up with his past Gay Porn career. Druff has gone as far as attack the guys wife and hoping for or proposing a divorce.

Like I said, the claim appears to be on the same scope and level as Rob Singers claims here, of which Dan Druff has had very little to say. Occasionally a very mild comment by Druff, but not the involvement of trying to bring down this Mitchell guy. Here Druff has more or less sat back and allowed Singer the platform, in the name of free speech. Why the difference? Is there some personal connection or vendetta between the two?

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One difference is that this Mitchell guy is trying to make a buck off his strategy/claims from unsuspecting followers. Rob doesn’t fall into that category.

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Originally Posted by The Boz

As for Rob I believe he later claimed to have made up much of his former stories to cover for his claims of exploiting the Double Up bug. There has been much debate about that claim and only Rob knows for sure. But that is not a anti math claim. We know it was done by some.

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Not to my knowledge has Rob admitted to have made up the former math defying stories or claims. And I tried to give him that opportunity after he came up with the DU bug claim. Had he admitted that, I would have had no choice but to cut him some slack regarding these math defying claims. But he didn't do that. Quite the contrary, I would say he doubled down still insisting he played the Singer progression stuff successfully until he discovered the DU bug. As a matter of fact, he clearly stated this in the interview with Wizard done earlier THIS YEAR.

I mean if he now wants to admit this, I guess better late than never. :confused:

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One difference is that this Mitchell guy is trying to make a buck off his strategy/claims from unsuspecting followers. Rob doesn’t fall into that category.

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Well Rob did self publish at least 2 books about his Singer progression systems, so he was trying to make a buck off these claims. My guess is he wasn't very successful. I mean nothing illegal about publishing books full of phony claims. If their was John Patrick would have spent half his life in jail. ;)

Also Rob has talked about personally training a number of people to play his system. Do you think he did this out of the goodness of his heart (we have all witnessed how his heart works). I strongly suspect there was a charge if this even occurred. What I will give Rob credit for, is I saw no solicitation of people on any public forum. Now what happened in PM's and private conversations...who knows. Rob frequently accuses others (like Redietz) of soliciting members of forums when there is no evidence of it and most of Robs accusations, attacks and thought turn out to be projections of his own behavior.


I also want to comment about this new revelations of Rob's nephew in the FBI (supposedly providing info to him) and before that the similar revaluation of a son-in-law at the IRS. Anyone who has spent any time on forums has seen this crap. This is TROLL 101. A relative or friend in some official capacity to give credibility to made up claims. People like Rob are exposed as long time trolls and have no credibility so they invent sockpuppets (Rob is king of) and make up family members in high places to try to provide the credibility they are lacking. There is nothing new about this and absolutely nothing new about Rob and his trolling. It is all from the Troll playbook.

KJ, you certainly know the troll playbook well. I thought your troll bullshit was over here. I guess not. Rob's claim over 4 years is much more credible than the 10 year claim. You keep saying it's impossible but it's not. Anyone who knows the math knows it's possible. Even when Singer and I were at odds I knew that he believed his system works. That was the one thing that always came through about him. He believed in it. If you believe in something you might be wrong but you are not a fraud.

I tried for years to get someone to come forward and say they payed Rob for lessons. I tried to find people that lost their ass using his system. Couldn't find anyone. How about you give it a try? Find someone. Anyone.

And we got these assholes, MDawg and Wynnpleasure making outrageous claims of beating bac. Why don't you climb their asses?

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KJ, you certainly know the troll playbook well. I thought your troll bullshit was over here. I guess not. Rob's claim over 4 years is much more credible than the 10 year claim. You keep saying it's impossible but it's not. Anyone who knows the math knows it's possible. Even when Singer and I were at odds I knew that he believed his system works. That was the one thing that always came through about him. He believed in it. If you believe in something you might be wrong but you are not a fraud.

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Come on Mickey. Really! If he believes it...it is not a lie. I don't know if you are a fan of Seinfeld, but that is the George Costanza defense. ;)

I believe I can run a 3 minute mile. That doesn't make it true and if I repeatedly state that I can, it is a lie, falsehood, untruth....pick your term.

What that says is the person is detached from reality. They are existing in an alternative reality.

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KJ, you certainly know the troll playbook well. I thought your troll bullshit was over here. I guess not. Rob's claim over 4 years is much more credible than the 10 year claim. You keep saying it's impossible but it's not. Anyone who knows the math knows it's possible. Even when Singer and I were at odds I knew that he believed his system works. That was the one thing that always came through about him. He believed in it. If you believe in something you might be wrong but you are not a fraud.

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Come on Mickey. Really! If he believes it...it is not a lie. I don't know if you are a fan of Seinfeld, but that is the George Costanza defense. ;)

I believe I can run a 3 minute mile. That doesn't make it true and if I repeatedly state that I can, it is a lie, falsehood, untruth....pick your term.

What that says is the person is detached from reality. They are existing in an alternative reality.

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That is so lame. You don't believe you can run a 3 minute mile. You know fucking well you can't do it. Saying you believe you can do it does not mean you know you can do it.

So what if they are living in alternative reality. You live in an alternative reality too. But you can't grasp even elementary facts. A fraud knowingly pushes information that is not true. Rob believes his system works. Thats not fraud no matter how much you want it to be.

If you take a thousand people and they all put down Rob's system for 200 plays (4 years), then the sample space is small enough that there are going to be winners plain and simple.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q1Smhtub30

Like every good scammer, this guy changes his strategy daily and tries to get your back when you lose.

And the saps keep feeding him money to keep losing like the degen he is.

How could a sane person sit through that video?

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Most casino goers aren't sane to begin with.

True, rhetorical question I guess.

There's a similar thread over there about YouTube slot vloggers. Most of them get suckers to send them money so they can get their fix of slot addiction. Sure they are selling a losing strategy, but the concept is the same. Get somebody else to pay for your gambling problems.

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This would be a good pastime for KJ if he is not playing right now to help expose this guy.

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There is like a zillion of these kinds of guys now isn't there? They don't make their money from whatever nonsensical system or strategy they promote. They make their money from viewership on the you tube channel. I don't even know how that crap works.

Before we even get into his ridiculous rules and strategy, I did a quick search just to get a little background. Free search.....I didn't even pay the $3. :rolleyes:

A couple of interesting things. Real estate records show Mr. Mitchell purchased a new home in the Aliante Section of Las Vegas in December 2019 in a gated community purchase price $400k. That certainly was unexpected. So he has some money. BUT, just glancing at his blackjack rules and strategy which looks to be a progressive system....that is why there is no splitting or doubling, any money this gentleman has didn't come from blackjack advantage play....at least not what he is describing.

Second interesting thing is he is listed as an owner or co owners of C and H automotive. I am guessing he is the "C" of C & H. But I don't see a C &H automotive listed in Las Vegas (there is one in North Carolina). My guess is maybe some sort of side business without a permanent business address. I am thinking some sort of buying and re-selling vehicles. Sort of a flipping cars version of "flipping houses". :confused: Just a guess.

Still doesn't explain where the money for the recent real estate purchase came from, but, it sure as hell wasn't from blackjack play. Maybe he makes that kind of money from these youtube channel and videos. Like I said, I don't know how that works.

One final thing I found interesting and that is that Dan Druff discovered and posted that this person used to be in male Porn back in 2010. No, Boz, that doesn't interest me. But it is interesting that Druff knew that. ;)

add on: oh yeah, one more thing. This guy is flashing 10, count em, 10 Benjamin's. That is suppose to be impressive? ;) Gotta love these guys.

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I didn't discover the gay porn thing. That was known long before I got involved in following this guy's antics.

I doubt he bought anything in Vegas for $400k. By his own admission, he lives in a rented condo which he got for a "good deal" from an elderly couple from California who barely come to Vegas anymore.

Christopher Mitchell is a common name. I don't think he has a pot to piss in, aside from a few K he gets here and there which he gambles away.

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I'd be more interested in the fact if he's actually committing any federal crimes running these scams over the internet.

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The problem is these fools keep sending him money. The only issue I see is if he is not reporting all the money.

It’s really no different than any handicapper selling sports picks. Of course it is a scam, but is it illegal?

That said, you bring up a good question. And is YouTube complacent in allowing these scammers to use their site to facilitate the scans.

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Yes, what Christopher Mitchell is doing is illegal.

If he were simply selling a bad system, it could be legally defensible (at least criminally), in that he could claim he didn't realize it was a bunk system. The fact that he plays it himself (amazingly, he really does) would back that.

However, he constantly lies about his win rate and personal wealth, in order to entice victims.

"I'm a millionaire" (and credits his systems for getting that money)

"I win 99% of my gambling sessions" (lol)

"I support myself as a professional gambler"


None of these are true. So while he could claim ignorance regarding his system being -EV, he could not claim ignorance regarding grossly lying about his results in order to sell coaching/subscriptions.

I'm fairly certain a good case could be made against this guy for fraud, but authorities don't seem interested in him (yet), so he's been able to dodge it thus far.

He's definitely got some civil liability here (to those who bought his systems and/or lost money with it), but as far as I know he hasn't been sued yet, which is actually surprising. Might be hard to collect from him, though.

To answer kewlJ (and I really don't want this to continue along the lines of another Rob Singer fight), there's a huge difference between Rob Singer and Christopher Mitchell.

Rob is just a forum troll. As far as I know, he doesn't sell his system to anyone. He definitely isn't putting out open solicitations to buy his system for $500-$2500.

Christopher Mitchell IS selling his system, and his victims suffer two ways. First, they pay him for a crappy -EV system (in some cases VERY -EV). Second, they attempt to use the system in the casino, and lose a fortune, believing themselves to be +EV.

No such thing happens with Rob. I keep hearing the criticism that "someone might take Rob seriously and lose a lot of money", but I find it unlikely, because every one of Rob's strategy posts here gets attacked by multiple people.

With Christopher, he censors his YouTube channel comments, so the critics don't get to call him out for his BS.

There's a tremendous difference here.

I'm not blind to Rob's flaws and outrageous claims. But he's like an old piece of furniture on this forum which you don't want to throw away, so you let him stay, as long as he doesn't smell too bad.

Dan, regarding Christopher's $400k home purchase in Las Vegas. I too was thinking it is a pretty common name and thus might not be him. And maybe it isn't him, but the name doesn't appear to be as common as you and I were thinking. When you do a search, not that many come up nationwide and in Las Vegas there was only 1, and it was a male, if I remember correctly without looking up again, who was 41, which looked to be about the same age. Also under relative, there was a female listed with the same first name as YOUR Christopher Mitchel calls his wife or girlfriend or whatever. Could be a coincidence.

Dan, you say there is a difference between Rob and Christopher in that Rob doesn't "sell" his system. That is true, as far as we know. I give him that. He has talked about training people, so we don't know what kind of monetary arrangement took place privately. AND he did self publish books.

Let me refer to several statements that you (Dan) just made about Christopher Mitchell.

1.) "he constantly lies about his win rate and personal wealth, in order to entice victims."

2.) "he claims to be a millionaire" (and credits his systems for getting that money)"

3.) "he win 99% of my gambling sessions" (lol)

4.) "he support myself as a professional gambler"

Dan, do not all these statements apply to Rob as well? Of sure Rob is now in his 70's and on social security, so he no longer claims to support himself as a professional gambler, but for decades that was his claim and that his wealth (including money to buy a fictitious RV) came from that).

You say it is different, but it looks exactly the same to me. If you allow Rob to stay "as long as he doesn't smell too bad" as you say, you might want to make an appointment with and Ear, Nose, Throat specialist. :rolleyes:

So is Max still going to see the RV?

And if he finds Rob wasn’t lying, will KJ and others accept they were wrong about Rob.

This is a put up or shut up time for everyone involved.

I look forward to the resolution.

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Dan, regarding Christopher's $400k home purchase in Las Vegas. I too was thinking it is a pretty common name and thus might not be him. And maybe it isn't him, but the name doesn't appear to be as common as you and I were thinking. When you do a search, not that many come up nationwide and in Las Vegas there was only 1, and it was a male, if I remember correctly without looking up again, who was 41, which looked to be about the same age. Also under relative, there was a female listed with the same first name as YOUR Christopher Mitchel calls his wife or girlfriend or whatever. Could be a coincidence.

Dan, you say there is a difference between Rob and Christopher in that Rob doesn't "sell" his system. That is true, as far as we know. I give him that. He has talked about training people, so we don't know what kind of monetary arrangement took place privately. AND he did self publish books.

Let me refer to several statements that you (Dan) just made about Christopher Mitchell.

1.) "he constantly lies about his win rate and personal wealth, in order to entice victims."

2.) "he claims to be a millionaire" (and credits his systems for getting that money)"

3.) "he win 99% of my gambling sessions" (lol)

4.) "he support myself as a professional gambler"

Dan, do not all these statements apply to Rob as well? Of sure Rob is now in his 70's and on social security, so he no longer claims to support himself as a professional gambler, but for decades that was his claim and that his wealth (including money to buy a fictitious RV) came from that).

You say it is different, but it looks exactly the same to me. If you allow Rob to stay "as long as he doesn't smell too bad" as you say, you might want to make an appointment with and Ear, Nose, Throat specialist. :rolleyes:

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Kjochio, you always conveniently leave out facts that don't back your argument. For every post Rob has made saying his system works there have been multiple posts saying it doesn't work. The number of posts Rob has made saying it works pales in comparison to the number of posts by the professional gambling community saying it doesn't work. It is well documented that it is a consensus in the professional gambling community that Rob's system doesn't work. How could anyone miss the counter claims of Rob's detractors?

If someone still wants to "buy" the system from Rob after all the "bad press" he has taken then perhaps they would be interested in my forthcoming book, How To Reap Untold Riches At The Big Six Wheel. I will be selling for $5000 per copy. However, I only want to sell to those select customers who have read about Rob's system and read all the counter-claims by professional gamblers that his system doesn't work.

That way I will be sure that I'm selling the book to only those who are so fucked up stupid that they deserve to be fleeced.

And Dan, could you please ban Kjochio for being the asshole troll that he is.

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And Dan, could you please ban Kjochio for being the asshole troll that he is.

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Stop humoring this sick twist tewlj.

I have been calling out this lowlife for years...total and literal scumbag.

Same with the martian...I despised him from day 1.

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So is Max still going to see the RV?

And if he finds Rob wasn’t lying, will KJ and others accept they were wrong about Rob.

This is a put up or shut up time for everyone involved.

I look forward to the resolution.

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Rob has stated that it will be ready for viewing by the 15th this month. Apparently someone had a minor incident that caused damage to the front end and there's a 43k overhaul going on. He's supposed to have 4 pictures for his ad that he's posting to sell it himself without a broker.

I actually have a friend that is interested. So we are ready to view it as soon as it is ready.

I told my buddy to not hold his breath. He's interested in a private party deal and that is something relatively unheard of for an item such as this. That's his main reason.

Plus Rob has stated that he has transferred title back into his name for the sale. So there won't be any ambiguity with that.

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Dan, regarding Christopher's $400k home purchase in Las Vegas. I too was thinking it is a pretty common name and thus might not be him. And maybe it isn't him, but the name doesn't appear to be as common as you and I were thinking. When you do a search, not that many come up nationwide and in Las Vegas there was only 1, and it was a male, if I remember correctly without looking up again, who was 41, which looked to be about the same age. Also under relative, there was a female listed with the same first name as YOUR Christopher Mitchel calls his wife or girlfriend or whatever. Could be a coincidence.

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I think you need to check again. I searched and saw nothing in this Christopher Mitchell's name. Can you send me the info privately? Or post it here, that's fine too.

His wife's name is Stacy. I believe she's 45. He is 41.

I would be shocked if he owned a $400k house. Among other things, he lives in a rented condo, and he would brag about this house if he really owned it. He's been frequently challenged about his wealth, and while he claims to be a millionaire, he has never proven anything beyond a few thousand dollars in one bank account. His entire brand is being a millionaire gambler, so if he could show he bought a $400k house without ever having had a 9-5 job, he'd be shouting it from the mountaintops.

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Dan, regarding Christopher's $400k home purchase in Las Vegas. I too was thinking it is a pretty common name and thus might not be him. And maybe it isn't him, but the name doesn't appear to be as common as you and I were thinking. When you do a search, not that many come up nationwide and in Las Vegas there was only 1, and it was a male, if I remember correctly without looking up again, who was 41, which looked to be about the same age. Also under relative, there was a female listed with the same first name as YOUR Christopher Mitchel calls his wife or girlfriend or whatever. Could be a coincidence.

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I think you need to check again. I searched and saw nothing in this Christopher Mitchell's name. Can you send me the info privately? Or post it here, that's fine too.

His wife's name is Stacy. I believe she's 45. He is 41.

I would be shocked if he owned a $400k house. Among other things, he lives in a rented condo, and he would brag about this house if he really owned it. He's been frequently challenged about his wealth, and while he claims to be a millionaire, he has never proven anything beyond a few thousand dollars in one bank account. His entire brand is being a millionaire gambler, so if he could show he bought a $400k house without ever having had a 9-5 job, he'd be shouting it from the mountaintops.

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Dan, I didn't spend much time or effort searching....just a google search turning up a mylife (link below). The house at 8828 Saddle Red Ave, which is the Centennial Hills section of Las Vegas, was sold in Dec 2019 with Christopher Mitchell as the buyer. I said I was going by memory about the age that I was recalling as 41. Looks like it is 42 (DoB 2/07/78), Wife Stacy.

Not the same person?

I don't know Mitchell's story, as well as you seem to (nor really care that much), but you have to remember people in their 40's could have parents pass away that leave them money (or a house). Just saying. If this is him, I don't know where the money to purchase this home came from, but I can assure you it did not come from that progressive Blackjack betting system that Boz posted up here. On that, I am sure we are all in agreement. :)

https://www.mylife.com/christopher-m.../e605028047250

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Dan, regarding Christopher's $400k home purchase in Las Vegas. I too was thinking it is a pretty common name and thus might not be him. And maybe it isn't him, but the name doesn't appear to be as common as you and I were thinking. When you do a search, not that many come up nationwide and in Las Vegas there was only 1, and it was a male, if I remember correctly without looking up again, who was 41, which looked to be about the same age. Also under relative, there was a female listed with the same first name as YOUR Christopher Mitchel calls his wife or girlfriend or whatever. Could be a coincidence.

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I think you need to check again. I searched and saw nothing in this Christopher Mitchell's name. Can you send me the info privately? Or post it here, that's fine too.

His wife's name is Stacy. I believe she's 45. He is 41.

I would be shocked if he owned a $400k house. Among other things, he lives in a rented condo, and he would brag about this house if he really owned it. He's been frequently challenged about his wealth, and while he claims to be a millionaire, he has never proven anything beyond a few thousand dollars in one bank account. His entire brand is being a millionaire gambler, so if he could show he bought a $400k house without ever having had a 9-5 job, he'd be shouting it from the mountaintops.

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Dan, I didn't spend much time or effort searching....just a google search turning up a mylife (link below). The house at 8828 Saddle Red Ave, which is the Centennial Hills section of Las Vegas, was sold in Dec 2019 with Christopher Mitchell as the buyer. I said I was going by memory about the age that I was recalling as 41. Looks like it is 42 (DoB 2/07/78), Wife Stacy.

Not the same person?

I don't know Mitchell's story, as well as you seem to (nor really care that much), but you have to remember people in their 40's could have parents pass away that leave them money (or a house). Just saying. If this is him, I don't know where the money to purchase this home came from, but I can assure you it did not come from that progressive Blackjack betting system that Boz posted up here. On that, I am sure we are all in agreement. :)

https://www.mylife.com/christopher-m.../e605028047250

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Yeah I see that.

But it looks like it's in error.

Here's the assessor information for 8828 Saddle Red Ave, Las Vegas, NV: https://maps.clarkcountynv.gov/asses...nInstance=pcl7

The owner is listed as someone else.

Here's the history: https://maps.clarkcountynv.gov/asses...el=12505310031

Never owned by Christopher Mitchell.


Pretty safe to say that the info on Mylife is bunk.

He actually told the story of his condo in one of his videos, which I think I believe.

He said that it's owned by an elderly couple from California who come "about once per year", and that he got a "really good deal" in order to "take care of it while they're gone". He also said that he paid 6 months in advance.

This is probably all true. Christopher is very good at sweet-talking the elderly. He probably met this couple online somehow (maybe through his stupid gambling videos), and came across as a swell guy who they could totally trust. So I'm guessing he said he would watch the condo for them and keep it in great shape, and would vacate to a hotel for the 1-2 times per year when they want to come to Vegas. This was probably appealing to the couple, as they still got to use their condo when they wanted, yet still would collect rent, and felt the person living there would take good care of it. In return, they likely gave him a sweetheart deal. Chrissy probably coughed up the rent in advance as a way to avoid having his credit checked!

This was before COVID hit. Possibly the owners aren't coming to Vegas at all now, for obvious reasons.

I'm not even sure if Christopher owns a vehicle. It seems like he's been at the wheel of different vehicles in his videos, so I think he might just rent them when he needs them. Not sure about that part, though.

I encourage everyone to look up their own profile on “MyLife”. It’s interesting and possibly dangerous in some cases.

They must pull the info from public records but much of it is wrong. Yet enough of it is correct to be used if someone was trying to find them and harass them. The names of relatives and associates is mostly false as well. And the net worth stuff is total BS in both ways depending on the individual.

Like all these sites, they are trying to sell more information.

It’s a fine line between using legally available information and putting information online that is blatantly false. But quite possibly they are not based in America.