Those planning to attend the march in Washington on Jan. 6th in support of Herr Trump are as skewed in their thinking as are the BLM / antifa cocksuckers.
A pox on both of their houses!
Printable View
Those planning to attend the march in Washington on Jan. 6th in support of Herr Trump are as skewed in their thinking as are the BLM / antifa cocksuckers.
A pox on both of their houses!
I tend to wonder about anyone that takes time out of their life to protest for any of the nonsense taking place in today's world.
Exactly!
Bullying and "wishing it weren't so" should not negate the decisive power of our votes.
Unfortunately, it appears you are so blinded by your one-way idealistic views, you don’t even realize that the extreme left wing liberalism conversations you endlessly try to create here are just taking up space.
There will always be a fool or two that will entertain you but, for the most part I tend to believe that most here don’t respect you or any of your pathetic visions, or hopes, that are all created by your own skewed extremely warped thinking.
Scumbags like you are only concerned about what’s best for only you. Your posts make that point perfectly clear.
For the record the only disease on this site is obviously you.
D.C. mayor calls in National Guard ahead of pro-Trump protests...
Hey professor, while you’re on the subject of the Trump DC protest it’s obvious the raciest DC mayor decided to call in the national guard before it even factually takes place. While she let the raciest mobs do what they wanted during their protests in DC she refused to call in law and order.
This raciest bitch let BLM, Antifa and anti-Trump rallies have their way in our capital. She even let the black racists mobs paint the streets in our capital with black racist slogans.
This is what scumbags like you pound your fists into the air with support. The real problem you and the rest of the liberal assholes fail to realize, is eventually the balloon will burst. I would put my money on the group that has the guns.
You guys are a couple of dumb bunnies if you think I am liberal.
No, I vote Libertarian, and I am ANTI-TRUMP.
By that I mean I loathe and despise Trump, the man: I don't have a big problem with Republican politics, in fact it aligns closer with my Libertarian beliefs than does the liberal nonsense spewed by the lefties.
My issue is with Trump ... I am reposting an email a buddy just sent me on the subject; I couldn't have said it better myself ...
" One Republican said he isn't living in reality if he really believes the things he's saying
about fraud in Georgia's Presidential vote.
Still blabbing about the Dominion Voting machines and suitcases filled with votes, and other
nonsense, what he did on that one-hour phone call was break the law.
Attempting to manipulate voting procedures and outcomes is either a violation of Federal law or of State of Georgia laws.
Commenting jurists and scholars all agree, but most doubt he'll be prosecuted.
The civil war in the Republican Party is awesome. Aligning with Trump-- what a fucking barrel ride down the Falls. Go ahead, you morons. He won't be a factor in 2024. He's nearly crazy now. in four years he'll be clinical.
Look out in the streets of DC. They're coming. All the nuts jobs, gun fanatics, wife beaters, white trash will be there tomorrow. And long standing bonds, goodwill, camaraderie among some Republicans will be shattered when they take opposing sides and vote.
I hope the city burns.
"So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes." "
Quote:
Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and political freedom, emphasizing free association, freedom of choice, individualism and voluntary association. Libertarians share a skepticism of authority and state power, but some of them diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing economic and political systems.
Perhaps, the same thing as the NDP, here in Canada. Although the NDP infrequently held power provincially, and, it was able to bring about many of its federal policies by opposition power, most notably free basic health care.Quote:
Libertarianism is one of the main philosophical positions related to the problems of free will and determinism which are part of the larger domain of metaphysics. In particular, libertarianism is an incompatibilist position which argues that free will is logically incompatible with a deterministic universe.
Quote:
The NDP governs the province of British Columbia, forms the Official Opposition in Alberta, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Ontario, and have sitting members in every provincial legislature except those of Quebec, New Brunswick, and Prince Edward Island.
Quote:
When was Healthcare free in Canada? July 1, 1968. The starting date was July 1, 1968, and the Act provided that the federal government would pay about half of Medicare costs in any province with insurance plans that met the criteria of being universal, publicly administered, portable and comprehensive.
Things should be very interesting in DC tomorrow.
Old Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times."
Hey MrProfessor, is the buddy that sent you that e-mail a bottom feeding lawyer also? The camaraderie between the both of you appears special. I couldn’t imagine a roomful of you blinded weirdos.
Wonder how we’re going to keep this country on the right path with 78 million of you. Actually the true count is about 65 million but who’s counting. Oh, that’s right, you would be counting big time if the results were the same but reversed. But for now, who cares? LOL
Hey assblackwards, I DID NOT VOTE FOR BIDEN!
Get that through your thick skull before you start accusing me of liking the outcome of the election.
I was disappointed as my candidate lost.
I simply can't stand Trump and am happy he lost; too bad the republicans have tied themselves to this poltroon lock, stock, and missing ballot.
Well, maybe compared to medieval times when plague, corrupt rulers and a crippled intelligentsia soured the land.Quote:
I imagine that these are average times, in the grand scheme of things.
Hey, wait a minute ...
I think that, to some extent, every one tries to, has to try to re- define and arrange the world, in a way that suits their circumstances. So, it could be that every one chooses to believe that they live in exceptional times. Certainly, it's human nature, from group down to individual, to feel special. Likely, beyond the species, an evolutionary trait. If Aristotle was right about man being an animal that brings things to extremes, well, then just wait and see, speculate about, etc, what comes down the road.
Most likely, the most interesting time of all involves the "big" bang/crunch and freeze. Just because we weren't/won't literally be around for it doesn't mean that it happens in isolation.
Anyway, the stuff going on now has to be, by far, more of a man-made "tragedy". Karl Marx: History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.
There is so much going on here, but, suffice it to add that even a proved real and actual theory of everything can not, by definition, be overly interesting. After all, if you look at, say, only the possible types and degrees of abstract point as micro/macro- black hole, electron, space-time singularity, a point made of its own surface (a one-sided surface, or line), an untenable point so "small" that it dissolves to every where at once, a point that is our particular universe with respect to an infinity of universes, a point that is in while out, and, so on, then all you have to do is go over and over your theory, until you have stumbled across all the "hidden driveways" in your theory that lead to such, in practice. Trial and error, like anything else. As well, for a theory of everything to be of much use, ie, a theory of everything, then it can't occur on the very end of things. It can't be overly interesting.
Times today are "interesting" in the sense that they are basically unprecedented (or nearly so) in American history.
A corrupt, venal overlord consigning many hundreds of thousands of his subjects to death due to his indifference, bull-headedness and yes, his stupidity.
I envision the orange oaf fiddling while America goes up in flames.
We have had a serious epidemic before, but not while political / societal meltdown occurred simultaneously.
Whatever, 2020 has been a very, very unusual year by any measuring metric.
No, nothing like the Big Bang, but unusual nonetheless.
Yes, a highly unlikely year. I was more amazed at how the lesser noticed numbers, in the background, lined up. A head-scratcher.
If I recall, Philadelphia didn't cancel a big war bonds parade, at the beginning of the second round of the 1918 flu, and the much-worse virus spun out of control there, but, this pales in comparison to what Trump did. New Zealand had the initial spike in cases, but, from there on, if I recall, it was like a handful if any new cases a day.
I find it indicative of the overall spiritual and political health of the Chinese people to note their success in squelching the virus, at least when compared to the USA.
Yes, dictatorships have the advantage of being able to move fast on things. One of the not too many things I recall from the two political science courses I took.
Now on to the Trump march, or whatever it is. Time to get out the popcorn, for the next couple of weeks. Hopefully, no bloodshed.
Gee, go see the other nuts here to find out how to ignore me. Ha.
Well, that didn't last long. Hehehe.
Was that Mr. Crimm sitting in Pelosi's office chair?
That you even have to joke about it.
I'll never understand the so-called AP's here, who tried to put everyone else down, including themselves, as fewer regular members returned. Thousands of thus essentially useless posts to try to legitimize themselves. Was KJ the only one here not to go on to lock lips with each other and Trump? How the hell to be an authority, on anything, if follow a nut like Trump?
My first few years on the gambling forums - at other, now defunct sites - I sincerely tried to specifically outline lots of specific casino gambling stuff, along with some actual experiences. Slowly, my focus shifted to, "Hey, what the heck is going on with these forums?" To the psychology of gambling and the like. But, I always tried to learn something to move forward, in one way or another.
Little wonder that I ended up where I began, still with a theory of everything. I mean, life is so wacky that there actually is no other way to keep track of it all in one way throughout.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garnabby;
I revel in the absurd; as I predicted, today has been very "interesting."
As for Mr. Crimm and the other Kool-Aid swilling deluded dolts: they've been mind-fucked by a pro, pure and simple.
And to put it in a Las Vegas context: both the Trumpish zombies rioting in DC and regular casino gamblers (AP's excepted, I suppose) are motivated by false hope.
They don't build and run casinos by paying out winners, and Trump didn't get where he has by telling the truth.
Jail to the chief!
I see the same absurdity, in a different way, in the on-line science and arts forums. For a couple of months, this fall, I tinkered around with one of the English forums. Look, English, and math and physics are endless subjects. It's not like Hawking claimed, thirty years ago, that there is someone alive, today, who will end physics. (Hawking claimed, at the other end of the spectrum, that philosophy was dead. The philosophers turned around, and told him, and others that he had no understanding of philosophy.) The people on the English forum don't want to hear about what their words mean, in terms of math and physics; any more than the people on the math and physics forums want to hear about what their endless ideas mean in plain English. People with hundreds of thousands of posts about the politics of their forums, the homework/new questions, and in which category each bit specifically belongs if at all. Day after day, basically the same people, along with and opposed to the transient new ones with homework or other questions.
Serious theoretical physicists have a projected timetable for the so-called remaining problems. Another hundred years to separate out the phenomenon of local quantum effect, and, another hundred years for the next bit, and, so on. I think, in actuality, there can never be strong enough particle accelerators to see, say, the matter-building "strings" of String Theory.
False hope, in a different way. It's been noted that educated persons "bite" the hardest.
That picture says it all.
MisterV, I don't really post here any longer, but today was remarkable. If you want to check out my blog, here's today's entries:
http://theskepticalgambler.blogspot....terrorism.html
https://theskepticalgamber.blogspot....n-renault.html
If you check back from last year's blogs in March, April, May, I nailed everything regarding the pandemic from the very beginning. If you synch up the blog entries with national media stories, you'll see that I was ahead of national media by days, sometimes weeks. It did not take Mensa quality thinking; it required paying attention and listening to experts, especially international experts.
Can I assume every Republican on this forum is now hanging their head in shame today? There is blood on Trump's hands.
I don't know Midwest Player, you could say Biden voters have blood on their hands because if they didn't vote Biden in then today's events wouldn't have happened. Like the butterfly effect.
The problem isn't Republicans: the problem is Trump.
Hell, even Lindsey Graham finally wised up and threw the Orange Oaf under the bus.
*golf clap*
__________________________________________________ __________________
The guys shown below in full insurrection mode aren't exactly the best and the brightest ...
Most Republicans supported Trump for most the time. On a percentage basis, you have to think that many more of the higher-ups still do, compared with the number of morons who showed up in Washington. Fire the whole fucking lot of them. None of them have "wised up", in the way you think, or want to pretend.
Anyway, doesn't the above bunch look like the people at the Burning Man events, except that neither of them is stoned?
Sorry, but you'll have to try harder to waste someone else's time.
Graham and most other Trumpies leaped off the foredeck of the sinking ship into troubled waters because it is now politically expedient to do so.
Of course Graham's core beliefs remain the same: that tick will simply have to find a new dog to latch on to in order to retain power.
The thing is, China learned their Lesson from SARS in 2003. The United States was unprepared for Coronavirus since MOST Pandemics DIDN'T really affect us. SARS mainly affected Canada and China in 2003. Ebola was bad but mainly affected Africa and lasted about two years. Zika was pretty mild and lasted like a few months.
The Spanish Flu was REALLY bad, but that was 103 years ago and MOST people alive today don't personally remember it. Kane Tanaka is one of the ONLY people alive today who is old enough to personally remember it as she is 118 years old and was born in 1903. She was 15 when it broke out, but she was living in Japan when it broke out and Spanish Flu mostly affected The Western Part of the World, (United States, Mexico, Canada, etc, ) Not the Eastern Part of The World(Japan, China, Philippines, etc). The Black Plague happened in like 1300 and affected Europe mostly and the London Plague happened in like 1692. Both of these affected Europe.... And no one is living personally remembers The Black Plague or The London Plague. Nipah was also bad, but lasted less than a year from 1998-1999 and mainly only affected Malaysia. In fact, Contagion Movie was based on Nipah.
The Coronavirus is the first Pandemic to really affect US(US as emphasized us, and US as in The United States), so we weren't prepared for it. In the Future if another Pandemic hits US majorly, we will be better prepared after learning from Coronavirus....
Absolutely not. By all means there’s not enough blood on our hands yet. Hopefully this is only the beginning of what’s to come.
25 Americans were killed last year during protests. Most during the racist BLM and Antifa rallies. Burning down cities, businesses, police precents, looting, attacking politicians at their homes with families and babies, for a whole year; yet, not a fucking word out of the mouths of the left-wing liberal scumbags.
At least the republicans yesterday terrorized the source of the problem. One could only hope this is just the beginning of what’s to come.
Finally, the republicans stood up and the fake media is trying to convince everyone the USA is coming to an end. I watched CNN during this yesterday and gave them credit for the fake Armageddon entertainment created. I couldn't stop laughing.
I can’t participate in any of this stuff but certainly prepared to protect my family and property with force. I also believe a civil war is a strong possibility on the horizon if the left wing nut jobs don’t stop everything their doing that got us here.
What are you talking about, those guys in the picture are more than likely Advantage Players when they are not protesting, and you can't see that? The guy with the horns on his head seems like a sportsbook player whose name to fame came when he finished 2nd a few years back "his face looks familiar" in the Wise Guys contest 14 places ahead of Redietz.
How many of those guys are actually Trump supporters?
From what I saw yesterday a lot of the full face covered "protestors" looked more like antifa anarchists than Trump supporters.
Is that crazy? Antifa wouldn't try to infiltrate another group to cause mayhem and destruction, would they?
They don't look like the typical antifa pukes I see in Portland.
Usually the women are loud, fat lesbians and the guys are typically young, slender white men festooned in all black.
No, these guys are Trumpies: red necks who quit school in eighth grade to help their dad cook meth and to help their mom steal other people's identities and mail.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
Which one are you talking about?
I can tell you that the asshole with the horns is a Trumpie, his name is Jake Angeli, he's a 32 year old Arizonan who is a regular at Trump rallies.
see: https://www.wkrg.com/news/horned-shi...on-identified/
So if it isn't him, which of the other douchebags is the "proven antifa member?"
What I referenced earlier was that many of the full face covered agitators with helmets outside the Capitol didn't strike me as typical rally going Trump supporters. And there were a lot of them.
Whatever. At this point it doesn't really matter. The MSM has already made their narrative. When the left protests en masse they are hailed in the media as heroes. Yesterday's tens of thousands of peaceful protestors get lumped in as deplorables. Just the way it is. I have never seen this level of divide in the country.
I dislike Biden almost as much as you loathe Trump, but I couldn't imagine going some place to hold signs in support or protest. I guess that doesn't say a lot about me. I have never missed a vote since I was 18 and that will continue even though I have zero faith in that anymore as well.
It is likely that some non-Trumpies participated, mostly nihilists and anarchists.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyj
But I don't think that antifa was there, certainly not in force: their leaders told them to stay away and to avoid conflict, plus their core belief system is antithetical to what the Trumpies did, i.e. active insurrection and attacking / occupying the Capitol bldg.: that was an incredibly fascist activity.
It's another sprawling argument to nowhere. No one here will spend months to try to sort it all out. Regardless, after definitively tackling even a tiny bit of it, the author will not respond, in kind.
I know. I proved out here, months ago, eg, that no airplane pilot, ever, was permanently harmed by any civilian laser, from some joker on the ground. Yes, some fairly powerful lasers may legally be ordered by any joker, but, no such joker, ever, did this.
Say, whatever became of those three FBI(?) guys who, supposedly, were blinded by BLM(?) protesters with lasers?
I think Garnabby should be renamed, Gabby Hayes from the old westerns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7koigiUq7GE
Yawn, but, this is fun.
Shut it down, Gabby Hayes. ---> Say Hi, to the Bad Guy.
https://anagram-solver.net/shut%20it...s?partial=true
By manually adding in the missing letters,
Shut it down, Garnabby. ---> Anything, but a BS word.
https://anagram-solver.net/shut%20it...y?partial=true
Say, now that I'm all fired-up, with the coincidental anagrams, how about a pressing question with all of the readable answers (sorted out a bit)?
Will Trump be jailed, or impeached? --->
Alphabetic order
Red, White & Blue Collar
The Old, Weird America
I'm a creep, I'm a weirdo
But I'm a Cheerleader!
Whipped Cream (ballet)
Real Time Bill Maher
Tripper (Hella album)
Alice the Jail Bird
The Real World: Miami
White-collared Lemur
Blue-tailed Emerald
Club-tailed Emperor
Pale-Bellied Hermit
Purple Marbled Moth
Blue Pied Pierrot
Blue Water Empire
Ariel the mermaid
Blotched Emerald
A Tribe Called Red
Alpha Red Project
Imperial cult (Rome)
Multiracial People
Direchlet problem
Periodic table (wide)
Herald (periodical)
Build with America
America home rule
Computer Headware
Computer-readable
Email read-receipt
Double-walled pipe
Double-pair mated
Irreducible ideal
La Route imperiale
Achille Emperaire
Medical Mail Order
I Am Prepared To Die
Bluecap Memorial
Memorial bracelet
Paleolithic burial
A Call to Remember
Eric the Memorable
Armoured citadel
Armed Helicopter
Blue Hill Airport
Bullhead Airport
Appeal to Ridicule
Commedia Dell'Arte
Lower Peach Tree, AL
Double-wide trailer
Dreamtime boulder
Dip (L. Pierre album)
Chateau de Dieppe
Cold Weather Rule
Deplorable Pride
Creed II: The Album
https://anagram-solver.net/will%20tr...d?partial=true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzrDPD-5gg4
Carnabby, what is the meaning behind "Every one, and everyone, supposedly, knows it all?"
In fact NOBODY I have met feels that they know it all.
Some fools overestimate the breadth of their knowledge, true.
The eternal self sees every thing, and everything, but, only in infinitesimal slices.
noun
MATHEMATICS
an indefinitely small quantity; a value approaching zero.
How else to breathe life as soul and spirit into matter and mind, respectively?
Nothing Exists
Yamaoka Tesshu, as a young student of Zen, visited one master after another. He called upon Dokuon of Shokoku.
Desiring to show his attainment, he said: "The mind, Buddha, and sentient beings, after all, do not exist. The true nature of phenomena is emptiness. There is no realization, no delusion, no sage, no mediocrity. There is no giving and nothing to be received."
Dokuon, who was smoking quietly, said nothing. Suddenly he whacked Yamaoka with his bamboo pipe. This made the youth quite angry.
"If nothing exists," inquired Dokuon, "where did this anger come from?"
__________________________________________________ ______________________
I mention the above to you, Garnabby, as you seem to be searching for the ineffable; look no further than within yourself.
You guys are being weird.
All right Coach, I admit that was funny. On a serious and less insulting note jbjb, I saw the the Antifa false flag claim developing last night followed by nonspecific claims that some had been IDed. I strongly suspect made up bullshit. One of the claims came from the same Pol who talked to the Trump crowd pre-riot. If this is actually true, I'd love to know. Please share. When I'm wrong, I get to learn something new. It's a no lose situation for me.
blackhole has made it clear that I'm an annoying libtard that should be ignored so that the you Trump supporters can have the board to yourselves. But I'll respond for you, Bosox.
I sincerely don't know any cities that have burned down, I assume that you are intentionally exaggerating for a talking point. I completely condemn destroying businesses and looting. There is no excuse for that and these people should be arrested, prosecuted and jailed.
When these riots were going their strongest I expressed my view and my reasoning that in most places people protested peacefully. I see a distinction between prrtesters and rioters. In others people attached themselves to the protests and rioted. Sometimes they split off from the main BLM group, sometimes individuals hid behind the protesters and sometimes the protesters went home at and were replaced by rioters. So we'll agree that rioting occurred during some BLW protests and that was wrong. We will probably disagree that I think over 90% of protests were peaceful and that few BLM protesters were also rioters. I think that rioters are criminals and most criminals that I've taught don't even vote out in the world. Some Antifa members believe that property damage is an acceptable tool. I've tried to find some summary of Antifa arrests, but come up empty. I'm under the impression that most overestimate that the size and organization of Antifa. They are some loosely associated chapters that are overrepresented in the northwest. I'm guessing more of the rioters are opportunistic criminals, left and right extremist, and triggered demonstrators. I actually can see why people want to destroy a police precinct if the police there beat and murdered my friends and then covered it up with false police reports. I wouldn't do it though. If a cop murdered my friend , lied about it, and got away with it, I'd either be amoral enough to follow him home and kill him or just bitch about it to anyone that would listen. Arson isn't my thing.
I can't think of any BLM protestors threatening pols. Maybe its a vocabulary thing. If its a peaceful and unarmed protest off their property, I'm probably good. Guns, threats, vandalism are another animal. This particular leftwing scumbag has said similar things months ago, but stick to your narrative.
I 100% think that Biden won the election and that stop the steal is complete bullshit.
I had a guy in my prison in for assault. He told me that it turned out that he wasn't exactly told the truth about what his victim had done. It was assault regardless, but now he felt stupid stupid as well. He got to spend some time with me. The Trump rioters weren't attacking anything except a place where people doing their job counting votes. Not only were their 60 plus court cases, but some of these states are under Republican control. You guys have already dismissed this "fake news" though. But you do you. My inmate did him, but at least he had a learning curve.
[QUOTE=wasilla;118282][QUOTE=BoSox;118253]I cannot answer blackhole's thoughts but what I can say is, That I believe without exaggeration that the rioting last year was an extremely dangerous situation for the country that very easily could have escalated out of control everywhere just like what happened in the early 1960s, which was very real, and history often repeats itself. If the rioting did get worse who was to blame for that? I'd say, the no fucken good left-wing biased media, and Democratic politicians who completely ignored and downplayed everything. Also included in this group was plenty of censorship taking place from leading high tech companies. I believe Blackhole was implying all of this between the lines of his post that apparently you completely missed. I agree with those sentiments of his.Quote:
blackhole has made it clear that I'm an annoying libtard that should be ignored so that the you Trump supporters can have the board to yourselves. But I'll respond for you, Bosox.
I sincerely don't know any cities that have burned down, I assume that you are intentionally exaggerating for a talking point.
It does not matter if we agree or not on the percentages of peaceful BLM protesters, the main point is that the peaceful protesters were just being used as a diversion and everyone knew it including the naive innocent protesters. Which begs the question of just how innocent are peaceful protesters if they already know in advance that they are just being used as a front, even possibly by their own family members?
Wasilla, it does not now matter what either one of us thinks. The country must live with it. In a weird kind of way I feel fortunate that I have no children. All the young people who will end up paying the price.
Sorry, but I prefer to think that, in some way, I exist. And, sincerely, at least try to answer, and live by, the harder questions whether, in fact, given the answers, this is the case. Besides, MrV, you can't bully me, let alone with your trivial nonsense, and superficial knowledge of most things. You really and actually need to slow down, a bit.
Look, one man thinks that there is, say, God, but, another thinks that there is not. Why should, nay, how could, either be any more right than the other, about something as fundamental to the universe? One man spends an eternal death, or, in your case, nothingness, as right as rain, yet, the other, all the time, as wrong as rain? Oh, no. Ha, who put your name on all that you have? Will it be game over, print it! After you are gone, so that you are still here? Perhaps, you didn't stop to ask, how much is enough (to last one man through eternity).
My previous answer demonstrated how both men are right, yet both wrong. There is an eternity - well, I wrote things simplistically so that you might grasp, have traction - but in the sense that our lives are mere differentials in space and time. Not reincarnation, by any stretch, which involves some connection to past lives.
Regardless, it's the dramatically inferior mind who resorted to the flippant behavior, especially while the other tried to make honest sense of things. Well, again, even I have my limits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X_ViIPA-Gc
They fucking had it too. They were all a bunch of pussies.
Hunter must be in crack heaven right about now.
He is pure trash, I can give at least 1 positive character trait, to ALL the regulars on multiple forums, including Tasha. He's the only one I've EVER blocked. I know you have a history with him, going back to GG( the good ole days:) ) I have no idea why you engage with him on the regular, but I get the impression, that you are the only one, that cares for his nonsensical lunacy around here.
[QUOTE=BoSox;118292][QUOTE=wasilla;118282]Many peaceful protests were not used used as cover for rioters. I live in Wasilla, the home of Sarah Palin. There was a peaceful BLM protest in the town a few miles away. There were internet warnings of violence from the non existent Alaska Antifa chapter, militia showed up to guard the town, and some people stayed away. It was just a low key and peaceful gathering and march. Protests like this were very common.
There were places were the protests also had rioters. I don't know that people were naïve about this. Several organizers tried to pull their people before the rioting generally started to make it easier for the police to deal with it. Some PD's saw a difference between rioters and protesters, and some didn't. Some places allowed periods of unrestrained rioting and looting, while other PD's spent their resources teargassing, arresting, and shooting rubber bullets into peaceful gatherings.
I think that it's common knowledge that protesters often tried to intervene in violence. I saw a a single guy with a hammer breaking up a sidewalk feet away from a group of police watching him. It was an unarmed protester who tackled him. A couple others came to help drag him to the onlooking police. I'm a cops kid and understand that dealing with crowds is challenging. However, there was no reason for those police to not have intervened themselves. I also saw some assholes throwing open water bottles at a disciplined , professionally acting police line. some women tried to get them to stop, and then lined up in front of the police to knock the bottles down. When umbrella man was breaking windows and spray painting "free stuff" protesters intervened, but there was no police around to arrest him.
I think that peaceful protesters should make a good faith effort to work with authorities to minimize violence. Not all PD's are interested in cooperation though. Regardless, if cops start murdering and assaulting people here, covering for each other with false reports and testimony, and walking free while the police union drags the victims name through the mud then I'm protesting. Hopefully the PD reforms. If they instead decide to arrest, club, mace, or beanbag me, I'm coming back with 40 others. If some vandals join my crowd, I'll point it out to the cops. If they want to pepper spray me instead of arresting the vandal, There isn't shit I can do about it. I'll be back the next day until they reform their department.
I wonder to what degree things will calm down and return to "normal" once the pandemic is over?
The pandemic has to have influenced people's behavior this past year, given the stress and imposed isolation it caused.
My belief is that the protests / riots were in large part the end result of poeople seeking an opportunity for socializing during the pandemic, given the fact that the customary outlets such as bars and party venues have been closed for many months.
Most people are not comfortable being isolated.
I have time, for now, to address this observation.
I think that it's not possible to know one's self, without knowing also one's other. Not one's friends, family, significant others et al, but, one's own other. Say, the part that says God doesn't exist; along with the part that says God does exist.
Only in this sense can one truly live only once. To be on the right path, so that one is definitively where one is, instead of scattered, however, throughout the ages.
P.S. Noticed, this afternoon, that the days are becoming longer, again. I guess that the time it takes to do so, after December 21/22, reflects one's day-to-day power of observation.
I'm reminded of a seminal book I read years ago by Baba Ram Dass: "Be Here Now."
[QUOTE=wasilla;118304][QUOTE=BoSox;118292]Wasilla, you mention twice that you are hoping for Police Department reforms which clear evidence of recent history shows legitimacy regard choke hold procedures and I believe for the most part that problem will be solved. Other types of changes that are made by ill-informed bureaucrats are going to cause more police personnel to be killed in much higher percentages, and evidentially that will become acceptable, or the norm. What other types of police reforms is even possible that will satisfy social media? Especially considering the following problems:
Age is not relevant in the inner city, at the age of four or five youths are taught to not trust or respect policemen. Frankly, very little if any discipline or respect is taught to today's inner-city youth regarding anyone period. They grow up quick. So when a cop responds to any type of call in these mid to large cities there is a high probability that they will be met by a four-year-old mentality even if the person is 40 years old. Having to deal with multiple hostile situations every god damn day. Of course, the officers must assume anyone is possibly armed and dangerous. Who the fuck wants to be a cop in today's times? Disrespecting the badge is now not enough of an insult, idiot big shots want to downsize the police department's budgets as the implication is that money could be better spent elsewhere such as used on social agencies. Welcome to living in a world with left-leaning nut jobs in charge.
[QUOTE=BoSox;118313][QUOTE=wasilla;118304]I was suggesting a course of action IF my police department was committing and covering up crimes to address your naivety charge. I doubt that most protesters are naïve about what's happening, they just don't have any great choices to attain the change they seek. I don't have a problem with my own small city department.
I'm a progressive in touch with progressive views. There are some that are extremely upset with the current state of policing, but no one is going to defund the police. There will be experiments with moving some current police responsibilities to other professional better prepared for them. "Defund police" was an incredibly stupid message that only a handful of people would consider a literal implementation of. Like I've said, I'm a cops kid who taught in a prison and has kept up with police/community relations. I am confident that many PD's face huge issues and some may actually have to be gutted and rebuilt from scratch before they can truely protect and serve their community.
Lots of people still want to be Police. My dad and his partner worked Tucson sections nobody else wanted back in the 60's and 70's drug running days. They carried a .38, mace, and a flashlight that doubled as a club. They'd fuck somebody up, rather than get hurt themselves, but they didn't hurt people just because they could. They certainly didn't have to lie about how they conducted themselves. Working the streets has been hard for a long time. We have to face that not everyone is suited for it. You need to find folks that aren't afraid of people, can get along with anyone, know what somebody is going to do before they do it, and can effectively intervene. That's not me, but a lot of people qualify. Cops make a decent living up here and should anywhere that the job is challenging.
Wasilla, thank you for the discussion as I have enjoyed it. You being brought up in a police family and all with your dad as well as yourself having worked in a prison I'm sure you already know more about policing than myself and the average joe. When you wrote:
"I'm a progressive in touch with progressive views. There are some that are extremely upset with the current state of policing, but no one is going to defund the police. There will be experiments with moving some current police responsibilities to other professional better prepared for them."
The above quote you made is happening all across the country including where I live and I am on the police side, as I feel they are now being the punching bag for community organizers and politicians. All this blame is being caused by a few bad apples in the departments and I think for the most part it is the police departments themselves who are getting shit on and disrespected by some big shots who do not know their ass from their elbow.