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As you know, there was a lot of extraneous stuff going on in my challenge with AxelWolf. Namely, that an outside party was trying to pressure me into putting up the money up front, which were never my terms or understanding - at most, I said that I would consider such a request. Strangely, that same outside party that was pressuring me to put up the money up front, was advising me not to proceed with the wager at all!
I understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
My point is this...if the maker clearly lists reasonable terms, and the bettor declines to cooperate, then that should not reflect unfavorably on the maker.
But that's what happened to you, and that's what's happening here.
Requiring the bettor to call, or email, or identify himself are not unreasonable.
Refusing to cooperate with the terms disqualifies the bettor, and it's not the maker's fault.
SAID THE KING OF THAT STUFF HIMSELF.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
The AxelWolf is all about scam, this is true. Just look at how he wailed when we put a stop to his scam. It was a meltdown of KewlJ proportions. And he never did come up with any sort of faked trip reports - even though he said he could and would - which would lend further credence to that he was hoping to scam. But yes, I do agree that the person creating the wager (the maker) should have the power to create the terms. In this instance though, I was under the impression that MaxPen had already accepted RS' terms, and that RS later changed them.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyI understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
My point is this...if the maker clearly lists reasonable terms, and the bettor declines to cooperate, then that should not reflect unfavorably on the maker.
But that's what happened to you, and that's what's happening here.
Requiring the bettor to call, or email, or identify himself are not unreasonable.
Refusing to cooperate with the terms disqualifies the bettor, and it's not the maker's fault.
You didn't do shit. Mike suspended you because he seen right through your BS and considered it welshing and making a BULLSHIT offer. You made a fake offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawgThe AxelWolf is all about scam, this is true. Just look at how he wailed when we put a stop to his scam. It was a meltdown of KewlJ proportions. And he never did come up with any sort of faked trip reports - even though he said he could and would - which would lend further credence to that he was hoping to scam. But yes, I do agree that the person creating the wager (the maker) should have the power to create the terms. In this instance though, I was under the impression that MaxPen had already accepted RS' terms, and that RS later changed them.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyI understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
My point is this...if the maker clearly lists reasonable terms, and the bettor declines to cooperate, then that should not reflect unfavorably on the maker.
But that's what happened to you, and that's what's happening here.
Requiring the bettor to call, or email, or identify himself are not unreasonable.
Refusing to cooperate with the terms disqualifies the bettor, and it's not the maker's fault.
I like how you are flailing in the wind over at WOV concerning your inept knowledge of BTC especially since you claim to be a bitcoin multi millionaire. Given what you have said in the past and present you would be worth at least 50 million in bitcoin by now. NO ONE BELIEVES ANYTHING YOU SAY OTHER THAN TASHA AND COACH(actually I bet they couldn't pass a lie detector even if they were to claim they believe you). It super sad when even the former king of AP haters hisself (ROB) thinks you are full of shit. I personally don't think you have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.
I have meet numorouse people, manny who have a good reputation that will vouch for, and trust me. I have done business while making millions of dollars in transactions over the years with people on the forums and in the community. YOU have nothing but a bunch of fictitious words on the internet, you cant even prove you have 5k to your name. EVRYTHING YOU SAY IS FAKE Until you can prove otherwise.
Its not just one thing you say its the totality of everything you claim that makes it super obvious you are a pathological liar.
I don't want to detract from the "limelight" that RS has earned through his Newell exercise, but I will say once again that AxelWolf is little more than a street drunk who is two steps removed from the street. About the best I might be able to say about AW is, a barbarian who could not write a sentence of grammar and hardly could spell his own name. But I doubt he gets the reference, he's a bum. What I post about at WOV is about using cash to buy stablecoins, and receiving something, outgoing, from my wallets. The reason I don't know much about outgoing is...thankfully, I've never sold or transferred out any crypto...received only. If you were a little better with hodling on to what little you had received in the past, you wouldn't still be two weeks from a shopping cart and shooting you mouth off to the tune of five thousand forum posts a year. All you show is how uneducated and ignorant you are.
See, the difference between you and me, is that I don't need to point out how much people think you're a scammer and bum. I just say it myself. There's not even one post you have made about me where you don't feel the need to claim that someone else agrees with you. Stand up on your own two feet old guy. Say what you REALLY think. I know it hurts that the five grand you desperately needed to scam off me didn't happen. It must've been a bleak Christmas for you as a result of losing out on that con. The way you lost it when the rug was pulled out from your scam, was something else, which is why I suppose that you still have to talk about that. :rolleyes: Hard to imagine how much that must have hurt that you're still unable to let go.
Here ya go.
If Rob owned/owns the Newell, he would be more than willing to put up indisputable proof. Anything else makes absolutely no sense.
Why do you guys care so much about Robs Million dollar RV? If you havent noticed, Mdawg would have us believe he is worth hundreds of millions.
I'll give it a shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
MDawg will hold your wager amount in escrow, because I don't trust you to pay. Fair enough?
Hey General Thumb, what's my post count up to today?
It would be impossible to scam 5k off you since you don't even have 5k of your own.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
I wouldn't allow Mdawg to hold the 5k,(I never asked that I hold or have any access to the 5k, I said it was fully refundable for any reason he choose ) but I would come up with a list of people who were trustworthy or some type of escrow. I offered to pay costs and everything, I even suggested an an alternate back up just in case something bad happened to the main holder. I guaranteed payment of anyone did anything nefarious. I let Mike hold 10 of mine to show i wouldn't ask him to do anything I wouldn't do myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyI'll give it a shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
MDawg will hold your wager amount in escrow, because I don't trust you to pay. Fair enough?
Hey General Thumb, what's my post count up to today?
In the old days heated disputes were resolved with swords, and later with pistols.
Today disputes wind up online and are rarely if ever resolved; just two different camps hurling shit-bombs at one another.
Keep it up, guys.
It only took you 40 minutes to start to weasel out of this bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
I'll guarantee payment if anyone does anything nefarious. Fair enough?
That's because one of the parties are totally full of shit. They will do and say anything to avoid any actual proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
That's ok, because it becomes more than obvious who's who and what's what, even of they won't admit it, that's ok, everyone including themselves, knows damn well what the score is.
If you can guarantee a way to guarantee it , sure, I was willing to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyIt only took you 40 minutes to start to weasel out of this bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
I'll guarantee payment if anyone does anything nefarious. Fair enough?
For a guy who doesn't have five grand, you shore spend a lot of your time talking about me. Imagine if I had...six grand, or even...ten, you'd be talking about me nonstop.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Give me a break, go back to street hustling. Maybe go back to school and complete eighth grade too when you get a chance.
You spent 2 weeks trying to avoid proving that you could do what you said that you could do.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
You have been asked to put up or shut up and yet you haven't done so. I have and wasn't even asked to. Let me know when you are willing to prove anything other than the fact that you have a VPN, internet service, and a device.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawgFor a guy who doesn't have five grand, you shore spend a lot of your time talking about me. Imagine if I had...six grand, or even...ten, you'd be talking about me nonstop.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Give me a break, go back to street hustling. Maybe go back to school and complete eighth grade too when you get a chance.
I repeat "Mike suspended you because he seen right through your BS and considered it welshing and making a BULLSHIT offer. You made a fake offer."
https://i.imgur.com/LRVz9oEt.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/2Oijy1h.jpg
Saw. Saw. Not seen. Are you sure you even made it to seventh grade?
That's not what the suspension page names as the reason for his suspension.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
There was never a requirement for MDawg to prove anything, but he has posted plenty of proof.
You were the one that was repeatedly asked to put up or shut up, and you haven't done so.
All you did was try to convince him to send $5K to a party of your choice.
As if the suspension list is accurate. I know for a fact that's why he was suspended.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyThat's not what the suspension page names as the reason for his suspension.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
There was never a requirement for MDawg to prove anything, but he has posted plenty of proof.
You were the one that was repeatedly asked to put up or shut up, and you haven't done so.
All you did was try to convince him to send $5K to a party of your choice.
I'm thinking someone should start the Finding Mdawgs 5k thread.......damn hijackers :D
Did Singer pay you all $35 to bury his bullshit?
If you're claiming that the suspension list is not accurate for MDawg's suspension, then you're calling the Wizard a liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
You haven’t posted one fact you allege you knew about (EVER) since you’ve been part of these forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
So, why should we believe you now?
In my eyes you’re the biggest self-proclaimed alleged million-dollar AP phony on all these sites combined.
The only facts forum members know for sure when it comes to you, is everything you ever said or claimed for several years, over thousands of posts, not one ounce of proof as ever been produced by you. Only alleged words.
Everyone likes to gang up on Singer for proof which is well deserved for obvious reasons. Yet, a member could say that joining one of these fucking entertainment gambling forums was worth over a million dollars to him in AP profits. CRICKETS !!! Not a word from the challenging AP mob. He didn’t even post something that said 1 plus 1 equals 2 showing one dollar in profits was even possible. But, it’s Axelass the king of forum AP who gets a free pass.
Axelass said Maxpen has more money than he’ll ever need. Hey Max, can you confirm you shared all your assets with Axelass a well known drunken loser? Why do you think he would make such a statement? Obviously it was just another empty attempt to back each other on an entertainment gambling forum.
You guys just don’t realize how foolish and entertaining you appear to most members with brains not fantasies.
My joy is pointing it out.
I spent two weeks trying to make sure I would get paid once I was successful. If he is willing to do that, I'm willing to take on the challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyYou spent 2 weeks trying to avoid proving that you could do what you said that you could do.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
You could not have been successful.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
You were trying to con him out of $5K.
That's why you threw a hissy-fit after he called it off.
You are still in hissy-fit mode, yesterday you called Shackleford a liar.
No I didn't call him a liar. I said I know for a fact what he got suspended for. I didn't say how I knew or why I knew. Its obvious Mike wouldn't want to add that or even say exactly why he was suspended.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyYou could not have been successful.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
You were trying to con him out of $5K.
That's why you threw a hissy-fit after he called it off.
You are still in hissy-fit mode, yesterday you called Shackleford a liar.
How was it I would be able to scam him out of 5k? Absolutely not true. Unless you have a legitimate reasonable way I could do that, YOU ARE JUST MAKING CRAP UP FOR AFFECT! I just wanted a legit challenge and to know I would get paid if successful, I'm quit certain I could have without any weaselly clauses or BS. You are just mad I didn't take the time to do it, succeed and then get stiffed. You live for that kind of shit and we all know it.
Here you are calling him a liar again, claiming that Mike listed false information on the suspension list.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
I don't know the guy, but you do.
So why is that obvious that Mike wouldn't want to be truthful?
Once the mark willingly gives up his money, then it should be considered lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
If MDawg put $5K on deposit with a party of your choice, then he would have to negotiate or petition to have it returned.
There is zero chance you could have been successful in meeting MDawg's terms, you added the weaselly clauses.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
The only financial gain you had any chance of realizing was to con him into willingly parting with his money.
What weaselly clauses? please list them. Even he himself agreed he should come up with a way to guarantee payment and a legit way to judge. I simply gave some really good safe options. My suggestions were so good that he pretended he needed to discuss it via PM. That's because he know his excuses wouldn't pass on the forum in front of everyone to see. He simply wanted to use the no reviling PM's and private conversation as tool to save time and face. His excuse was lame as hell and also reviled he knows nothing about BTC and how it works. Lets ask his permission for me to revile his PM regarding that. Again, I ask... how is it that I would have been able to con him out of his money? You are just repeating the same nonsense that makes no sense because you think it sounds good in some lame defense for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyThere is zero chance you could have been successful in meeting MDawg's terms, you added the weaselly clauses.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
The only financial gain you had any chance of realizing was to con him into willingly parting with his money.
There were no safe options for him, only for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
You had no money at risk, and zero chance of successfully completing the challenge.
The only chance you had to get paid is if he willingly paid the money in advance.
Once he willingly gives his money to another party, then he has lost control over his property.
He must rely on the opinion of others in order to retrieve it.
How can you say that? I believe that MDawg was going to make the final decision if Axel Wolf's work did in fact meet expectations, or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyThere were no safe options for him, only for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
Why a zero chance? Are you calling MDawg a welcher after proposing a proposition? Only AxelWolf knows if he would complete the challenge which I believe would have required up to almost three years of fake trip reports and even after all of that MDawg had the final say if he thought it met his standards requiring him to pay up.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Stop insulting MDawg, and AxelWolf I do not think MDawg would have welched if all the postings met his expectations for quality. Personally, I think that Tasha could put together a better trip report than MDawg.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
What that challenge morphed into seems odd to me. Whether or not Axelwolf could have created 3 years worth a fantasy trip reports....well how does that prove anything? Just seemed a really weird side track to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
I am much more concerned with Mdawgs trip reports, the winning every trip aspect, including where he stated that he would continue to win every trip and then did just that.
On a side note BoSox, are you a member at WoV under a different handle, or just a reader? (or maybe would rather not say...not sure why)
No, that's not was being proposed. MDawg would have had no say.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
The rest of your questions are conditional upon your false premise.
KewlJ, I am not a member at WOV only an occasional reader. I do not post there under any different handle.
MDawg posted material as evidence that his trip reports were authentic and truthful.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Axel insists all that stuff can be faked, that he (Axel) can fake it all, and therefore MDawg's stuff is fake.
MDawg sought to prove that Axel can not produce faked material equivalent to what MDawg posted,
at the same level of authenticity as MDawg's stuff.
So far MDawg has proven that, because Axel hasn't produced anything.
All it is is a case of one-upmanship of trying to compete with Singer's double up catch and any type of successful advantage players.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJQuote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
I am much more concerned with Mdawgs trip reports, the winning every trip aspect, including where he stated that he would continue to win every trip and then did just that.
That is exactly what it seems like. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxAll it is is a case of one-upmanship of trying to compete with Singer's double up catch and any type of successful advantage players.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJQuote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
I am much more concerned with Mdawgs trip reports, the winning every trip aspect, including where he stated that he would continue to win every trip and then did just that.
I am particularly confused by the anti-AP crowd, the coach belly's and blackholes, and a few others, that challenge everything AP's claim, which is winning backed by mathematics. But then someone like MDawg or Singer comes along claiming to have won xxxx amounts playing negative EV, defying math and these guys suddenly are on the bandwagon, saying "hell yeah, that is possible" (when of course it isn't).
I always say it is because these anti-AP's are bitter that they aren't winning players, playing and winning with mathematical sound techniques. But when you really stop and think about it, a more logical explanation might be they are casino people infiltrating the forums. I mean what would a casino persons agenda be? Discouraging advantage play as "doesn't work / can't be done", but encouraging players to play -EV. Yep, that makes a lot of sense, when you think about it.
I'm not anti-AP, and don't challenge winning backed by math.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Singer and MD haven't claimed to have defied math, and experts have shown that their claims do not defy math.
You objected when experts showed that it's not even close to mathematically impossible to have won as they claim.
You're the one who is challenging the math.
Regarding coach belly and blackhole in speaking their opinions, they do not hurt anyone at all pertaining to "real or not" influence people to bet in a negative expectation way. They do not deserve to be ridiculed in any way for standing up for their beliefs. I would never put them in the same category as an MDawg whose tunnel vision is self-centered with vanity. He is not concerned in any way possible if someone attempts to follow in his shoes. So even though he may not be a casino employee, in reality, he is in fact still doing the damage like he is one and he knows it and could care less.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJThat is exactly what it seems like. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxAll it is is a case of one-upmanship of trying to compete with Singer's double up catch and any type of successful advantage players.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I am particularly confused by the anti-AP crowd, the coach belly's and blackholes, and a few others, that challenge everything AP's claim, which is winning backed by mathematics.
I was going to post up some samples just to prove it(even before he made his fake offer), however, I got the impression that you really wanted me to follow up and do so. Because I believe you want me to, I'm avoiding doing so, at least for now.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyMDawg posted material as evidence that his trip reports were authentic and truthful.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Axel insists all that stuff can be faked, that he (Axel) can fake it all, and therefore MDawg's stuff is fake.
MDawg sought to prove that Axel can not produce faked material equivalent to what MDawg posted,
at the same level of authenticity as MDawg's stuff.
So far MDawg has proven that, because Axel hasn't produced anything.
LOL. OK then...I don't want you to, because I'm afraid that you can.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
AxelWolf you can't beat CoachBelly. His careful reasoned logic defeats every subterfuge you attempt. Plus CB has patience and a good memory - two qualities you seem to lack.
Belly is relentless, but don't underestimate Mr Wolf, he's a forum warrior. Should be a battle royale.
Axel was going to prove it, but he didn't because he thinks I want him to.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
That's pre-school level behavior...the little guy is a child.
Anyway, these doubters are all so emotionally invested that they don't understand what's going on.
They assume facts not in evidence, so their collective false premise counterfeits their entire argument.
You and Singer may be at odds, but you both get it.
You once tried to explain it to them, but they either couldn't comprehend or can't handle the truth.
Said the king of subterfuge. We are about a guy who's life consists of nothing but sitting behind the computer 16 hours a day with the sole purpose of trolling and playing devils advocate for mostly dumb fuck bull shitters like yourself. Speaking of many people. MOST people who participate on this forum regularly think ill of Coach Belly.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
Come to think of it, most of the ways I make money are behind computers. Starting with early in the morning with stock trading. I write on computers. Lately we don't even go to court it's all virtual and with some courts we don't even have to file real paper anymore, and even service is done electronically. So I've been using computers since I was a kid, so what? So you have to go out and dig trenches for a living and don't need to use a computer much, so what? What's your point.
That's not quite true. More than a few of my friends keep asking me to teach them how to win in casinos, and I never do. I tell them all that it's not something that may be taught, and that they should avoid going to Vegas for anything other than just fun. The extent to which I've acquiesced is by allowing a friend or two to sit at the table with me and place some bets alongside mine, but even that I don't like doing because then I have to worry about their bankrolls / fluctuations AND mine, especially because they're not exactly mirroring my bets so their results aren't perfectly in sync with mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
And if you recall this story
MDawg's friend not doing too well in Vegas
that girl isn't even a friend of mine per se more like an acquaintance and I advised her to never gamble, because she sucked at it. She played alongside me on one trip and won pretty big and assumed she could do it all the time after that, and obviously could not.
As well, as far as marker play, I advise people constantly including online to make sure that even a full blowout of all of their combined lines would not create any kind of financial burden for them.
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Originally Posted by MDawgThat's not quite true. More than a few of my friends keep asking me to teach them how to win in casinos, and I never do. I tell them all that it's not something that may be taught, and that they should avoid going to Vegas for anything other than just fun. The extent to which I've acquiesced is by allowing a friend or two to sit at the table with me and place some bets alongside mine, but even that I don't like doing because then I have to worry about their bankrolls / fluctuations AND mine, especially because they're not exactly mirroring my bets so their results aren't perfectly in sync with mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
And if you recall this story
MDawg's friend not doing too well in Vegas
that girl isn't even a friend of mine per se more like an acquaintance and I advised her to never gamble, because she sucked at it. She played alongside me on one trip and won pretty big and assumed she could do it all the time after that, and obviously could not.
As well, as far as marker play, I advise people constantly including online to make sure that even a full blowout of all of their combined lines would not create any kind of financial burden for them.
MDawg, you are completely misconstruing my point. I'm sure that you keep all of your friends and acquaintances well informed about all the dangers of gambling and just gamble for fun etc. However, those huge threads of yours on multiple sites how come there is no warning to the internet crowd? All of this should have been done in the very first paragraph by you in every thread. Because the warning is never there leaves one to wonder if in fact, that you do work in some capacity for the casino industry as KewlJ also said as a possibility. Now, I do not think that you have any influence on any of the members here but what about on those other sites that you post on, which you completely ignore with your self-centeredness. You deserve a tar and feathering.
On another curious note, in those old Nike commercials, Spike Lee would ask the audience and Michael Jordan how he defies gravity saying do you know? Do you know?
Well, MDawg, how do you defy all the laws of mathematics do you know? Do you know? Gravity should also apply here as you should be getting knocked on your ass plenty of times.
So MDawg advises his friends not to play bac as he does because they don't make the same decisions as he does? Well, there is a lot of decision making in bac. Let's see. You have to choose to put your money out or not. And you have to choose between banker or player.
Wow! That's some real heavy duty thinking there. You would need an I.Q. of....of....at least....well....at least 40. It's mind boggling just thinking about it. So much tougher than card counting....or learning video poker strategies....or playing live poker correctly.
So I don't blame MDawg for advising his friends not to play. They are not as smart as he is. You have to be a fricking brain surgeon to figure out when to bet and whether to bet on player or banker. I mean, there could be volumes of books written about it. The complexities of the game would take a lifetime to master.
Now, let's see. Do I want player or banker? Player or banker? Player or banker? Damn....that's a tough one. I wish MDawg would write a book about it. Or ten books. Maybe if I study for a lifetime I might get it.
I guess somebody up there likes me.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Anyway, if you look back at the very earliest posts I made in 2018, at WOV, I posted my story, which was that I used to play very big, hadn't played at all in about a decade, and was thinking of getting back into it. That's the only reason I even started posting at WOV - I was familiar with WOO and occasionally looked it over to see where the best house advantage was at blackjack, but that's as far as I took it - for about a decade I had not gambled a penny although I did still visit Vegas quite a lot during that decade or so hiatus, at first with girlfriends, then later with my wife.
My first posts at WOV in 2018, declare that I walked a winner back then, and thought that I could win again but really couldn't say anything until after I had done it. So it's not like I came in boastful saying that I had done nothing but win - more like I wasn't sure if I could win again this time around.
From that point on, all I did was post trip reports and results. When I first went back my intention was to play blackjack. I sharpened my old skills and practiced on a card counting app and with a deck at home, and went back to WOO, to make sure I would be playing only the lowest house advantage games in Vegas, but after I got back into gaming I found that I was more comfortable laying the larger bets with Baccarat, so although I still play some blackjack, I play primarily Bacc.
In fact when I mentioned in 2018, to an old friend who used to work in the casino business that I was thinking of getting back into it, and mentioned blackjack, she said, you're a BACCARAT player, that was your thing. I guess I didn't realize it but that was definitely by the end, and definitely after they had effectively banned me from blackjack for a couple of years, my thing.
At some point in 2019, or maybe it wasn't even until 2020, Coach Belly suggested that I post year end win/loss statements to back up what I had been saying, to corroborate the results I had reported, to silence the critics, and I did. I did that again, this month.
So what do you want me to say? That I lost? I didn't - I won. In theory anyone else could do what I do, but over the years both my own observation and comments made by the dealers and other players are to the effect of that I'm the only consistent winner they have ever seen.
LOL. Axel was on here for 20 hours yesterday, he doesn't have a point...he's deranged.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
You don't know shit. For starters, you saw the verbiage that was posted as to the retraction. That verbiage was obviously approved by the Wizard.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolfNo I didn't call him a liar. I said I know for a fact what he got suspended for. I didn't say how I knew or why I knew. Its obvious Mike wouldn't want to add that or even say exactly why he was suspended.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyYou could not have been successful.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
You were trying to con him out of $5K.
That's why you threw a hissy-fit after he called it off.
You are still in hissy-fit mode, yesterday you called Shackleford a liar.
Why even bother? You can't seem to remember something longer than a few days. I doubt you even remember what exactly was posted or what transpired.
And my advice would be to drop the subject. If you want everything that was said to be disclosed you may find that someone will end up looking worse than he already does.
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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Hard to improve on the mickeycrimm argument.
I have two semi-qualifications to have an opinion on MDawg's storyline. First, I have spent somewhere around 40K hours in casinos lifetime. Your normal dusk-to-dawn casino employee has spent more, but not from the angle of beating the casino (or, in my case, the sports books). Second, I actually have done a little paranormal debunking in my life, even being invited at one point to be an investigator for the short-lived SSDPE (Society for the Scientific Documentation of Paranormal Experiments). And what MDawg is claiming in terms of results is clearly paranormal, as were "Singer's" video poker claims before he decided he was an AP.
If anyone wants my opinion on MDawg's storyline or angle, PM me. If you are willing to provide a real name to attach to your questions, email me at integritysports@aol.com.
I mean, the whole thing is silly. If MDawg were relating these stories at a Blackjack Ball, people would assume he was being comedic. Well, how or why should a forum devoted to gambling be qualitatively different from the Blackjack Ball?
I have more of an issue with Todd Witteles than I do with MDawg regarding the MDawg posts. Here's why. If a poker player came on here and claimed he did the poker equivalent of MDawg's baccarat tales, I'm reasonably sure Todd would step in immediately and give a stern lecture about reality and honor and all that. Instead, because the tales are about baccarat, Todd lets it all slide. So Todd doesn't really give a rat's ass about plebes playing baccarat with dreams of mass profits, or this site, or preventing casino moles from steering people wrong. Given how Todd fights for every scrap of comps (even worse than me, which is saying something), I find this decision by Todd to be inconsistent and weird.
I mean, it puts people like kewlJ and mickeycrimm and Axelwolf in the position of playing Todd's Poker Fraud Alert role here because Todd doesn't feel he needs to exercise "Casino Fraud Alert" warnings.
The whole thing is, of course, silly, but it does undermine the legitimate APs in the eyes of civilians because the MDawg stories run screamingly counter to math-based expectations.
Although off the wall and often twisted - redietz's input just adds another layer to the MDawg mystique.
No they don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Did you read Jacobson's story about the big winner he was asked to evaluate?
Haven't you heard?...he's from another planet.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
Many say Mars, but he's farther out there than that.
lol redeitz has an aol email address.
You are twisting that story that you keep repeating. Redeitz is 100% correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyNo they don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Did you read Jacobson's story about the big winner he was asked to evaluate?
Look, if MDawg has a way to win long-term, which is what his stories of winning nearly every session, every trip for years amounts to, then why was he unwilling to allow anyone, including Wizard watch his play? It is a like a guy repeatedly saying I am able to levitate and fly around the neighborhood but refusing to show it.
And YOU coach belly are an enabler, for whatever reason you have. I guess you think that is fun. These guys always need an enabler or two.
How so?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
For starters, Eliot's story shows that the casino is not going to just continue to comp someone winning to no end, which is something you and Mdawg argue they will. It the case of Eliot's story, they called in math experts and were convinced by the experts that the player would indeed start losing. Had he not started losing, they would not have let it go on much longer. The fact that they took the action shows that.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyHow so?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Now if you read Eliot's post on Dec 5, 2020 at 10:46 am, he states that for a player to be ahead, playing negative EV game after two years of extensive play, that would be a three (3) standard deviation event, or a 1 in 600 chance. Is that what you and MDawg are claiming? That his great adventure is just a 1 in 600 chance of dumb luck? And if that is what you are claiming then we can expect that in the near future, he starts losing and loses it all back. Because for that not to be the outcome and him continue to win, the odds go astronomically higher. So I guess we have that to look forward to.
One other thing about Eliot's story is the amount of play involved. The more a player plays a -EV game, the more it has to catch up with him. Eliot was vague on what the total amount of play was with the high roller he evaluated. A number of trips over a couple years. But I will bet those trips weren't for 6 weeks, 2 months at a time. Most gamblers a trip to Vegas is a few days. So Eliots high roller amost assuredly had much less play that MDawg claims with his 6 weeks at a time trips. Much much more play involved, making the chance of winning, playing a -Ev game, much much less likely....like up into the impossible range. :)
There's no doubt Todd would call out bs, in regards to anything non believable in the casino industry, not just related to poker. The problem is, he DGAF about this place. It would benefit this place tremendously, for him to give his stance on things occasionally and post great threads like he used to do. He could care less about this forum, other then his sports picks.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Hard to improve on the mickeycrimm argument.
I have two semi-qualifications to have an opinion on MDawg's storyline. First, I have spent somewhere around 40K hours in casinos lifetime. Your normal dusk-to-dawn casino employee has spent more, but not from the angle of beating the casino (or, in my case, the sports books). Second, I actually have done a little paranormal debunking in my life, even being invited at one point to be an investigator for the short-lived SSDPE (Society for the Scientific Documentation of Paranormal Experiments). And what MDawg is claiming in terms of results is clearly paranormal, as were "Singer's" video poker claims before he decided he was an AP.
If anyone wants my opinion on MDawg's storyline or angle, PM me. If you are willing to provide a real name to attach to your questions, email me at integritysports@aol.com.
I mean, the whole thing is silly. If MDawg were relating these stories at a Blackjack Ball, people would assume he was being comedic. Well, how or why should a forum devoted to gambling be qualitatively different from the Blackjack Ball?
I have more of an issue with Todd Witteles than I do with MDawg regarding the MDawg posts. Here's why. If a poker player came on here and claimed he did the poker equivalent of MDawg's baccarat tales, I'm reasonably sure Todd would step in immediately and give a stern lecture about reality and honor and all that. Instead, because the tales are about baccarat, Todd lets it all slide. So Todd doesn't really give a rat's ass about plebes playing baccarat with dreams of mass profits, or this site, or preventing casino moles from steering people wrong. Given how Todd fights for every scrap of comps (even worse than me, which is saying something), I find this decision by Todd to be inconsistent and weird.
I mean, it puts people like kewlJ and mickeycrimm and Axelwolf in the position of playing Todd's Poker Fraud Alert role here because Todd doesn't feel he needs to exercise "Casino Fraud Alert" warnings.
The whole thing is, of course, silly, but it does undermine the legitimate APs in the eyes of civilians because the MDawg stories run screamingly counter to math-based expectations.
You're reading something into the story that's not there.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Eliot's story shows nothing about comps, the story makes no mention of comps.
I've made no claims about MDawg, other than what he has claimed is not impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
That's confirmed by Dr Jacobson in the post that you reference above.
What you state above is nonsense that you made up, it has nothing to do with Jacobson's story.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
So you're the one who is twisting Eliot's story.
The PFA intro page talks about criminals, scandals, scams, cheating, theft, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzy
How does any of this apply to the Adventures of MDawg?
Maybe he'd call "bullshit" on MDawg's trip reports,
but I don't get the impression he would be concerned about it,
or spend any time trying to debunk MDawg's claims.
That's not a fact, it's an unsubstantiated claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
I asked you to come up with a way(other than your word) to guarantee payment if I was successful. YOU AGREED TO DO THAT!! I only had 2 requirements before I started working on the challenge and none of them were unreasonable. A way to guarantee payment if I win. A fair way to judge. I came up with legit suggestions, you came up with nothing but BS and you tried to add more conditions. You just went on and on trying to convince me and others I couldn't do it. I have proof you wanted to back out some time before Mike suspended you.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawgAs you know, there was a lot of extraneous stuff going on in my challenge with AxelWolf. Namely, that an outside party was trying to pressure me into putting up the money up front, which were never my terms or understanding - at most, I said that I would consider such a request. Strangely, that same outside party that was pressuring me to put up the money up front, was advising me not to proceed with the wager at all!Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyI'm not concerned about whether or not Singer's story is true or not, that's Max's thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
But as for the challenge...
Singer set the conditions, Max counters with - no, he'll do things his way, Singer says n/g - my way or the highway.
The only difference between this exercise and what happened between you & Axel,
is that you got suspended for sticking to your guns and not getting manipulated.
You've got nothing. Just talk. I'm the only one who has ever posted any proof of anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
ALL FAKED, JUST LIKE YOUR FAKE OFFER!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawgYou've got nothing. Just talk. I'm the only one who has ever posted any proof of anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxelWolf
For once in your miserable tens of thousands of posts online life, post something to back up what you say. Where is the proof that backs up what you claim about my suspension by the Wizard?
I never claimed I had proof. I said I know for a fact. I wouldn't post up the proof in this situation no mater what. I think you know that and that's why you are asking for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
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Can I post up a PM you sent me regarding the challenge?
Didn't think so.
And what this comes down to, again, is that you spend your online life going around trying to throw shade on others, all the time providing zilch to back up anything you say.
What's interesting is...some people on here ask why I bother to post my Adventures. Well, then, taking it further, why do you bother to spend so much time talking about them? If I get nothing out of posting them you get less than nothing from talking about them! At least if you had something to say that would be something, but you don't - just speculation, and give it a few months and your faulty memory won't even remember why you said anything that you said in the first place!
Still working the backdoor PM system during the Highly Contagious Pandemic eh?
Hustler got to Hustle I suppose.
Fuck those 55-1 odds that OnceDear claims.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb.../4/#post793588
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Originally Posted by AxelWolf